Talk:Jonas Brothers

This article was nominated for deletion on February 22, 2007. The result of the discussion was keep.

Why isa lot of people's main concern their looks? there is sooomuch more to them than that. They are such sweet, nice guys, and they are still the same sweethearts we've loved since 2005; the only word that is a synonym for Jonas, is amazing. <3

Separate articles for Joe, Kevin, Nick

Kevin is 20, Joe is 18 and Nick is 15 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.191.172 (talk) 09:39, 7 July 2008 (UTC) Periodically over the last year separate articles have been created for each of the brothers including just recently. These articles have been Noone care jonas brother are hott. that is all i have to say :) go jonas!! redirected back to this article as there is nothing in the separate articles that is not already in or could be added to this article and there is nothing that shows individual notability separate from the group notability. In the past the separate articles have had the redirects protected to prevent article re-creation and I have restored that state. --NrDg 20:36, 7 March 2006

But, now that the Jonas Brothers are starring in movies, like Camp Rock, and they all have different roles, we should maybe separate them into 3 articles? It's just a suggestion but maybe we can do it like how they did for Aly & AJ, where they have 2 separate articles, Alyson Michalka and Amanda Michalka. Would anyone add to that? Thanks. xo ♥, calliegal_x (talk) 22:45, 8 April 2008 (UTC)Calliegal

Are they notable as individuals though? They've only acted out in four films, and two of them as themselves, as Jonas Brothers. Alyson and Amanda Michalka are notable as actresses, being in many shows, acting out a character. --staka (T ・C) 00:47, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Sounds doubtful to me. Can you find any articles about one of them that isn't an article about the band?Kww (talk) 02:26, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.15.20.21 (talk) 04:45, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Good points. Remember, the Jonas brothers are only notable as a group, not as individuals yet. Aly + AJ are completely different. That group is the coalescence of a person who has already achieved notability on her own (Alyson Michalka) and her sister. If you use a boolean google search and search for Alyson michalka and return hits that don't include her sister, their are tons of pages about just her. Try doing that with the Jonas brothers, they star in movies together, sing together, and most importantly got famous together. If one of the brothers died in a tragic accident, that would make him notable. As would if one of the brothers got nominated 10th or so in like a "maxim's top 50 teen stars" list and start to differentiate himself from the group as being the most-talented or commanding double or triple salary for a role, than his brothers, or other evidence that one's star power is developing at a rate distinguishable from the group, then this talk page is the place to make a case for it. We're not against making 3 separate pages for the brothers, lets just wait until its justified. I'll support the idea once they fit wikipedia's encyclopedia guidelines. Sentriclecub (talk) 01:08, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I think at first it wasn't necessary for separate articles. But I think as time has gone on they are starting to come into their own as individuals. For instance there's tons of info about Nick growing up, going through Broadway, and starting the band that could be used. And when their show J.O.N.A.S! comes out they will all have their own characters. I have LOTS of information about them separately and if you started new pages for them I could contribute some very valuable info. 74.142.205.253 (talk) 00:14, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

This Jonas Brothers article should be fundamentally about the group and what it has done together as a group. Then there

needs to be seperate biography articles for each individual. But for the group article, one glaring hole: A picture identifying the three brothers with the name that goes with each person. This would answer the starting question of "WHO" are they? And with the names, the dates of birth. That is because people want this fundamental question answered, how old are they? Rickster77 (talk) 13:23, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

SEPERATE ARTICLES DEFINITELY NEEDED IN MY OPINON. ALSO, SOMETHING OUGHT TO BE SAID ABOUT THE MOVIE THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN, CAMP ROCK. AND WHY IS THIS TERRIBLE DISSAGE IN THE ARTICLE BEING TOLERATED?! :O —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.222.237.191 (talk) 02:21, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

can i write the seperate articles? or can i write 1 of them? Joe's article? ( can you give me instructions? plz) GO JONAS BROTHERS YOU ARE SOO HOT AND TALENTED! JULI

I agree we have to separate the articles. I think we should split them after the Camp Rock movie. I would be happy to create one of the articles. But it's still not decided if we should separate them. I personally think we should separate it after the movie goes worldwide. --RyRy5 (talk) 05:59, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I think there is a misunderstanding here that we're afraid to ask. Does it say something that each of the Jonas brothers dont have their own article? Does it mean they haven't reached a distinct level of accomplishment? Does it mean that they are less successful than other biographies who have their own wikipedia article?

Of course not! Each one of the Jonas brothers have lived an admirable life. They have worked hard, played by the rules, stayed out of trouble, and been excellent role models for America's youth (and abroad!). Whatever decision comes out of this, I hope no fans are disappointed with any temporary decision (remember, a decision to keep the brothers grouped together is only because of wikipedia's policies at any given time--not permanent! don't give up!).

Look for example at Donald Trump, Jr. who is obviously no where near the popularity and fan-base of any of the three Jonas brothers. The Jonas brothers are a household name, they are right up there in celeb soap box status as Miley Cryus or Vanessa Hudgens. If you're concerned that your duty as a fan is to spread their web presence and make every significant detail about them part of the sum total of human knowledge then try out a user subpage wp:sp or make a myspace.com account dedicated to them, or a geocities website all about their every move!

Saving the best part for last-- if you really want help from a experienced wikipedian and just want to know the "secret method" to successfully pushing your agenda, I can possibly point you on the right track...

If you read my edits to science, biology and chemistry you will see my mission is to make wikipedia better, just a tiny bit at a time. I'm not especially involved in this Jonas brothers case one way or the other. If we find that the Jonas brothers each getting their own page meets the goals/guidelines of wikipedia and makes the encycylopedia stronger then great! Your best bet to make a strong argument is to make a comparison to an analogous situtation, and mitigate away the differences, and ultimately try to make the case that the seperate articles are justified above and beyond the analogous case. For example, if the Jonas brothers faces resistance due to "well, they only got famous as a group-never as individuals" then try to provide a counter-example which the resistant argument would apply to, yet the consequent is broken. In other words, turn it around! Say "well IF individuals of a group who aren't notable as individuals have a group page and they have individual pages THEN wtf".

This is valid because its a valid syllogism - one of the strongest logical arguments (deduction). I read on this page a strictly weak analogy, when the Jonas brothers were compared to Aly+AJ. This is a weak analogy because Alyson Michalka has achieved notability on her own, with no assistance from her younger sister. Anyone wishing to make a very strong and convincing case for the expansion of the Jonas brothers to include individual pages should start with Hanson (band).

I feel reasonably confident that no one can make a argument for notability of the individual Hanson brothers, but not the individual Jonas brothers. Even their one-hit song MMMbop has its own page, which is okay, but they even gave their associated album underneath its own page, which contains nothing beyond what is already listed on the MMMbop page. So if anybody wants to continue the case for expanding the Jonas brothers, attach the Hanson brothers analogy to the argument. That way, anyone who wishes to deny the expansion must affirm why each Hanson brother is more notable than each Jonas brother (which is definitely an argument I wouldn't want to have to try). Its an uphill battle, whoever wants to continue the argument comparing individual statistics between the two groups of brothers should be able to do so without much resistance as long as you include some data, and respect the opinions of whomever disagrees with you. Sentriclecub (talk) 10:59, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

The arguments on this page are baffling. I came to this page trying to find out how old these kids are, and left confused, as a reader and editor. You are in serious need of a neutral opinion, which I have. There is no reason not to make an individual page for each brother...or you could have one page for the band, and one of the brothers, two brothers, or three brothers. Basically, one brother's individual page should be completely unrelated to the others', so the fact that the other two have basically no individual accomplishments is a moot point when considering Nick. I'll say it again, aside from the problem of factual overlap, which can be easily addressed, the brothers' individual pages should have nothing to do with the band's page. Wikipedia is not a fansite or soapbox, and their accomplishments are completely irrelevant to this situation. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. What matters is whether or not there is enough information to physically create individual pages for them. Clearly, there is. Let's get this straight one more time: The "notability" issue is a moot point, and anyone pushing it might need to be accused of wikilawyering. These kids are "notable" to millions of adolescent teens, much more so than Bryophytes are notable to the small group of scientists that actually care, or Yvonne Sciò is to Naomi Campbell fans. Whether or not you perceive these topics to be "notable" is an entirely separate issue. The "jonas brothers" page, as it is, is a dysfunctional mess. The "Nick Jonas" section does not flow at all into the next, it's as if the other two brothers and band's formation came out of nowhere. Not to mention that simple information, like their ages, is nowhere to be found. To start, try re-naming "Nick Jonas: Discovery and solo album (1999-2005)" to "The Jonas Brother: Discovery and Solo Album," this will make it slightly less confusing until you sort out this mess... JohnnyCalifornia (talk) 13:39, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

ok i think that the jonas brothers are sucessfull enough to have their own seperate articles, i mean other bands have seperate articles for the members so why not the jobros?? plus i think that each jonas brother is unique in his own way, they have their own personality, not to mention they play different insturment and their roles in the tv shows and movies are not the same! someone should start the seperate articles.... thank you! —Preceding Jonasbrothersfan122 comment added by 72.140.46.83 (talk) 01:43, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

what are you guys talking about?? there is a seperate article for joe jonas! u can check your self —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.140.46.83 (talk) 23:40, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Punk? Excuse me?

Alright, I'm not really sure what "pop-punk" is. All I know is what the pop-punk article says, which doesn't answer my question, but it mentioned Green Day. And I take from that fact that either A) this article is horridly wrong in calling the Jonas Brothers any kind of punk, or B) Pop-Punk is really just Pop with a different name...Could someone please explain? 69.236.76.121 (talk) 00:37, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Pop-punk is a musical style that usually has fast, up-tempo beats, with heavy usage of power chords and distorted guitars, with melodic vocals. The songs are usually relatively short, between a minute and half to three minutes, and are set at a blistering pace, but with a light hearted pop lyrics and melodies. Pop-punk differs from normal punk because the vocals are usually less melodic in punk and more abrasive, and the lyrics are also usually more obtrusive and violent. Both styles have very high-tempo rhythms though, and often rely on similar power chord and distorted guitar tones. On a whole, normal punk is much more abrasive then pop-punk. Blink 182 is another classic example of pop-punk. I feel like the Jonas Brothers fall under the category of pop-rock, not pop-punk. I hope that helps, I can clarify more if you want. (WaltBusterkeys (talk) 01:28, 24 April 2008 (UTC))

Pop-punk sounds like the same thing as power pop to me. I suppose the point is that they are a rock- and pop- based boy band in the Osmond Brothers tradition as opposed to a R&B-based boy band in the Jackson 5 tradition. Timothy Horrigan (talk) 23:25, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Recently, I've been seeing a lot of Wikipedia articles on different bands that are not associated and have different styles to Pop Punk being labeled respectively as Pop Punk, and its truly annoying.

while Pop Punk is a musical style there is a scene that normally follows it and they clearly are not part of the punk rock scene, and although some of their songs have similarities to Pop Punk, they should not be labeled as such. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.2.109.22 (talk) 16:09, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

JONAS BROS ARENT POP ROCK!Vitual aelita (talk) 16:10, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

The Jonas Brothers should be defined as "crap-rock". Oh, and I quote, "distorted guitars". Jonas Brothers use distorted guitars?! Someone change it to... pop. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.217.61.141 (talk) 04:14, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I approve of the above statement! 12.147.124.242 (talk) 23:45, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

not "crap-rock", just "crap". There is nothing "rock" about them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.234.79 (talk) 00:50, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Charts

Jonas Brothers' songs, S.O.S. and When You Look Me In The Eyes charted on the Channal V's V Countdown. S.O.S. highest peak is #8, now at #11, when it debuted, it peaked at #10, if I'm not wrong. And for When You Look Me In The Eyes peaked at #13/#16. I think we should at it on the charts part, because it's the first time Jonas Brothers' songs charted in Asia. Oh, and When You Look Me In The Eyes also charted at #10 on one of Indonesia's radio station, the name is Ozon FM if I'm not wrong. The highest peak is at #4. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.124.184.92 (talk) 09:58, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Please remove irrelevant stuff in the talk page

I had noticed that there are items that are either irrelevant to the topic, are spam, or just "plain screwed" please adhere the talk page guidelines. As if the header template isn't big enough. I love them with all my heart, therefore I am asking you guys (responsible Wikipedians) to fix up the talk page, asap. Thanks in advance. -iaNLOPEZ1115 · TaLKBaCK · Vandalize it 12:14, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I can't agree anymore. This talk page is becoming a place where Jonas Brothers fans and Jonas Brothers haters debate about the band. This is a talk page, where you are suppose to discuss about improving the article, not arguing about personal opinions about them, nor is it a place for people to spread rumors. Let's stop the debate and actually talk about the article, okay? Thanks, ♥, calliegal_x (talk) 22:43, 8 April 2008 (UTC)Calliegal

I agree, as long as Jonas Brothers fans stop talking about how "uber hottzz" they are. That's also considered irrelevant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.217.61.141 (talk) 04:09, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Irrelevant info

There is no need for the track listing of their albums to be listed on this page. They should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.49.224.190 (talk) 22:51, 8 April 2008 (UTC) this is not a good bibliography —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.71.50.105 (talk) 21:55, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Ancestry

The Jonas brothers appear to be Eurasian. Could someone please provide this info on their ancestry?--69.234.205.106 (talk) 19:34, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the boys are Italian. I think many people know that but we need a reliable reference. But thank you anyways I'll see what I can do. Consider getting and account if you want to edit pages that are semi-protected. ♥, calliegal_x (talk) 23:57, 16 April 2008 (UTC)Calliegal

I know they say what heritage they are in a youtube interview. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.11.138 (talk) 14:58, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Prom-themed tour?

The "prom-themed" tour was actually called the "Marvelous Party Tour".99.144.251.85 (talk) 15:12, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Really? That is interesting and I'll add it in once we can find a reference for it. If you got one and would like to contribute, please add it in somewhere in this discussion. Thank you, ♥, calliegal_x (talk) 03:38, 29 April 2008 (UTC)Calliegal

Never mind, i found it. ♥, calliegal_x (talk) 03:40, 29 April 2008 (UTC)Calliegal

Cheetah-licious Christmas Tour 2005

The boys also were special guests for the Cheetah Girls' Cheetah-licious Christmas Tour that took place in December of 2005. I don't know if that's notworthy enough to be part of the tour section, but that's around the time they first started touring.

May want to add this

Welll.... If you watch the Kids Of The Future backwards.. It's says Satan!Satan!Our sweet forsaken santan.Santan Satan! If I wasnt suppose to say that i'm sorry. Maybe you'd also like to add that Disney has ALOT of hidden messages in songs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Npurplegirl (talk • contribs) 23:16, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Yea, i heard that, but at least they didn't write Kids of the  Future, those sick Disney freaks did.

Please provide proof, like a video showing the show backwards or a clip of the song backwards. And by "other songs" what exactly are those songs? Thankks ♥, calliegal_x (talk) 23:41, 4 June 2008 (UTC)Calliegal

Theres Hannah Montana,i mean alot.You can follow this link : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo5RAWlyrJs&feature=related —Preceding unsigned comment added by Npurplegirl (talk • contribs) 00:13, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

    I totally believe that in her case. Plus in"Stairway to Heaven" where it's clear as a bell. 70.152.232.117 (talk) 13:02, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't say satan, it's just the fact that the sound is kinda blurry, therefore, anyone could believe the fact that it says almost anything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.87.137.223 (talk) 14:10, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but there was a spot on the Stairway to Heaven song about it saying satanic messages backwards. I say we put it in, or take that spot off of Stairway to Heaven. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.217.61.141 (talk) 04:10, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

The difference is that Stairway was the song that started the whole mess, which makes it notable.
Kww (talk) 13:48, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Disney Karaoke Series: Camp Rock

I would really want to know... who deleted Disney Karaoke Series: Camp Rock and redirected it back to Camp Rock (soundtrack)? You can find articles on Hannah Montana: Disney's Karaoke Series (album). It's the same thing, except it's for Camp Rock! Whoever deleted it, please give me some good reasons. ♥, calliegal_x (talk) 23:40, 4 June 2008 (UTC)Calliegal

I'm going to take a guest here. It might have been deleted because it showed no notability. The Hannah Montana one shows lot's of notability.--RyRy5 (talk) 23:48, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Genre?

Aren't they more bubblegum pop than pop rock? Just the fact that they do the baby bottle pop commercial is a give away that they are a bubblegum pop band. It should at least be listed under genres on the side. Yep they rock our world. <math>'Insert formula here'Bold text</math

the jonas brothers are AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!! {{subst:UnsignedIP|1=205.242.95.135|2=04:28, 11 July 2008 (UTC)}}

Grammar

I would change "The band started out as a solo project of Nick Jonas and ended up being a collaboration between the three brothers." to "The band started out as a solo project of Nick Jonas and ended up being a collaboration among the three brothers."

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