Talk:Mir Shakil-ur-Rahman

Encyclopedic article not a ‘business-profile’

The ‘critical’ portion of this article is again included to make it a balanced article...this is not a ‘business-profile’ of Mir Shakil-ur-Rahman...plz help to make it an ‘encyclopedic article.’ Thanks. Wiki4u

Accusations and controversies

In 1998 the Pakistani government of prime minister Nawaz Sharif took action against Mir Shakil on charges of tax theft but soon it refrained from its position. Conspiracy theorists believe that Mir Shakil’s Jang Group has also a rule I the removal of the Nawaz government in the very next year, 1999. There have been a number of accusations and controversies about Mir Shakil and his Jang Group:

• Mir Shakil’s Jang Group is accused by journalists and many other groups of being "the mouthpiece of the existing government" and promoter of self-censorship journalism in Pakistan. Professional journalists in the country also accuse Mir Shakil for destroying the much respected institution of the 'editorship' in the newspaper industry-- After the death of his father he is reportedly hiring incompetent and flattering people as the so called 'chairman editorial committee' not on professional and intellectual but on on political basis.
• He is the president of the All Pakistan Newspapers Society (APNS), an influential body of all newspapers' owners in Pakistan. Therefore he is not only accused of denying the rights of his hundreds of thousands employees across the country but also thought to be the biggest hurdle in the implementation of the Wage Board Award of newspaper employees in the country. The Pakistan Federal Union of Journalists is often demonstrating for the rights of the working journalists of the country.
• Some business groups accuse him of blackmailing—they say if Jang Group is not given advertisement, it gives news reports against those uncooperative parties.
• Tax theft and many other corruption charges are labeled against Mir and his business empire. In 1999 the then Pakistani government officials announced that Jang Group owes customs duties on previous shipments of newsprint amounting to 1.6 billion rupees (US$31.4 million). The government also accused the group tax evasion of more than 2 billion rupees (US$40 million).
• Some conservative Pakistanis believe that Mir Shakil is an ‘agent of the West’ and a promoter of Westernization.
• He has many cases in the courts of the country in family feuds on the ownership of many of the business units.
• He is believed to be the owner of many unknown inland and offshore companies and has accused of undeclared assets around the globe.
• Mir Shakil is known as a 'dictator' in his approach and thought by his family members and employees.

Low profile

Media analysts say that Mir Shakil always plays from behind the scene. He very rarely publishes his own activities as news or feature items. No one in the country can dare to publish or telecast something about him-- He is very choosy about other persons as well. He very rarely goes to the public meetings and is not a social animal rather a ‘moneymaker’ in each and every situation. His late father recognized his intelligence and therefore he succeeded him after his death in 1992. Amazingly he prefers the projection of his elder son, Mir Ibrahim Rahman known as MIR, (CEO of GEO TV), to some extent in the media. Among Mir Shakil's employees are the best people available in Pakistan. His business is spreading around the world by leaps and bounds.

Mir Shakil is trying his best to bring peace in the South Asian region, especially between Pakistan and India. During a business tour of India, he said, "India’s positive image due to its films, TV--Musharraf has opened up business opportunities, media; Indo-Pak film-makers must not demonise RAW, ISI; Yash Chopra’s brand means wholesome entertainment..." [1]

Pakistan’s leading media tycoon

It is estimated the 80 percent of newspaper readers read Mir Shakil ur Rahman’s publications and a majority of the public watches his TV and radio channels. Thus he is thought to be the strongest person in Pakistan. He is said to be the wealthiest and most influential person in the country as well. Once he reportedly claimed, “I’m the evergreen ruler of Pakistan—I can bring down a government and form a new one!” In 1998 the Pakistani government of prime minister Nawaz Sharif took action against Mir Shakil on charges of tax theft but soon it refrained from its position. Conspiracy theorists believe that Mir Shakil’s Jang Group has also a rule I the removal of the Nawaz government in the very next year, 1999. He is married and has two wives, which is legally allowed in Pakistan. He is considered the smartest and most claver person in the socio-political and economical scenario of Pakistan.Wiki4u

Vandalism of 'user:Truth aspirant'

The user Truth aspirant is vandelizing Wikipedia and surprisingly accuses other serious users of this moral crime like some media-guys in Pakistan.—This uncivilized user is using different names and is not giving space to the other side of the story—like the Pakistani press—thus this article has become a busness-projection propoganda compaign not a balanced encyclopedic article. This may be to ‘satisfy his personal grudges’ or make happy his employer-- My school fellows think this user may be a leacky-employe of Mir Shakil-ur-Rahman or who knows he may be furios himself of this global-free media—anyhow the user/s should keep in mind that Wikipedia is not a publication of the Jang Group but is a property of all human being—and it shows us the true face of the world. Please let us make this article a balanced one with its positive as wel as negative aspects. Remember: Wikipedians reserve the right to sue YOU!

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I've added

to this article because it reads like a cross between a CV and a magazine article about the chap. Itjust doesn't read like an encyclopaedia article. Also some words/links need wikifying. Also I think the chronology is wrong in places - unsure about this. -- SGBailey 16:29:56, 2005-09-02 (UTC)

User:Truth Aspirant’s response

(And comments thereon embedded and indented within ((( ))) symbols by SGBailey 20:59:53, 2005-09-02 (UTC))

Truth Aspirant is just a truth aspirant but what else can a "school boy" think - he has a certain limited level to think beyond.

(((Sorry, whilst I understand the individual words, I find the entire sentence meaningless.)))

Truth Aspirant cannot see anyone misusing Wikipedia for satisfying his personal yet malicious grumblings and we, the Wikipedians will not spare such a culprit - yes we will sue them for using Wikipedia for the malevolence.

(((This sounds like some form of rant, I am not sure what about, but I am sure I am not interested.)))

Please keep Wikipedia free of revengefulness, not making it a tool for satisfying your personal frustrations and spleens with people of our own country - what the rest of world will think about people like you? Think broadmindedly! Pessimists harm not only others but also themselves.

(((What a lovely paragraph. Not sure what it has to do with the fact that the style of the main article isn't encyclopaedic, but this needs framing and hanging in a gallery.)))

Wikipedia is not meant for publicising and propagating false and self created accusations. So, please don't appropriate Wikipedia to your advantage. I think people should have the right to sue those maligners who are abusing the power of Wikipedia by writing GIGO literature to defame the people of their own country.

(((Sentence 1 - OK. Sentence 2 - OK. Sentence 3 - What?)))

If they have frustration about anything, they should choose some other ways like bloggin or discussion forums to vent it. These people have set some targets for maligning at Wikipedia and this can easily be seen by looking at their "Contributions" which are very prcisely targetted and they are maligning those targetted entries in Wikipedia to talk only ill of their targets. I repeat they are NOT contributing to Wikipedia but doing something else!

(((If you say so. What has this to do with improving the article?)))

Had they been sincere they'd have critcised all entries of the country giving balanced opinion but they are helpless and can't attain the level of this maturity.

(((If you say so. What has this to do with improving the article?)))

[Note: And yes.... Truth Aspirant is self-employed]

(((The above reply to my original post does not have the flavour of a serious reply. This is sad. -- SGBailey 20:59:53, 2005-09-02 (UTC))))

Comments by User:202.165.238.5

SGBailey. Well said.

User:Truth Aspirant again

Dear SGBailey: First of all I appreciate your presence at Wikipedia as you seem to be the last hope to stop the worsening of this artcle and consequently Wikipedia by users like User:Wiki4u|Wiki4u and some other anonymous.

The response was not addressed to you and there was some confusion. Rather it was for those people who were abusing Wikipedia on the other hand, you are enhancing it and letting it grow in the right direction.

Wikipedia is happening every second - it's a phenomena that's going on because millions are involoved in it. However, it must be monitored to save it from biased entries and comments in its content.

I totally agree that there's a lot of margin for improvement in the said article to give it the flavour of encyclopedia article rather than going to either of the extremes. I hope that someone will come up and will change the tone of this article to be truly balanced and encyclopedic. However, what Wiki4u and some others are adding is only negative propaganda and not based on facts probably due to their personal issues with the said person. Please review their contributions and if found guilty please recommend a ban on them.

I hope that my response clears the misunderstanding that was created between you and me. My earlier response wasn't for you.

Thanks.

Truth_aspirant

Request to serious Wiki-Editors

Due to the continous vandlism of User:Truth aspirant the article Mir Shakil-ur-Rahman has become a business-propaganda-feature rather an encyclopedic article. Just see history of the article [[Mir Shakil-ur-Rahman and Talk:Mir Shakil-ur-Rahman page--You are requested to take intrest in this serious editorial issue and make things straight in this global phenomena (Wikipedia). Wiki4u

I think User:Truth aspirant also uses the ID of User:Mureeb and many anonymous Ids…he/she seems a perfect chameaion but a fool user.

User:Truth aspirant don't remove the messages just leave yours 203.82.48.54 15:37, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Deletion of Talk page

As others have said, please don't. It preserves a record of discussions, and gives other editors a background to the issues and conflicts involved. Tearlach 17:50, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

It is despotic to vandalize

User:Tearlach I totally agree with u, it is really unprofessional, undemocratic and against the editorial policies of Wikipedia to enforce ur point of view on others and not giving space to other's point of view. It is vandalism-- a cyber-crime and the cyber-police is there to help. Wiki4u 18:26, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

'Edit-summary' space & long messages

The article Mir Shakil-ur-Rahman's 'Edit summary' space is full of long messages, which should have been on the Talk:Mir Shakil-ur-Rahman page--it can also help the coming editors to make this disputed article a balanced encyclopedic article. Plz also see the fist version of the article created and edited by the 'Creator' User:FactFinder who seems no more active. Some messages r given below to help u to understand the dispute:

• 18:34, 4 September 2005 Wiki4u (plz don't make this a one point propaganda article...let the other point of view some space)
• 15:40, 4 September 2005 Truth aspirant (Dispute started when malicious content was removed to make this article neutral and free of hatred some people had added to this article.)
• 15:38, 4 September 2005 Truth aspirant (Dispute started when malicious content was removed so please dont put that back - thanks)
• 15:33, 4 September 2005 203.82.48.54 (This is a disputed article. User Truth aspirant don't remove the disputed portion.)
• 08:30, 4 September 2005 Truth aspirant (Wiki4u please behave yourself and don't use bad language for other users of Wikipedia - there are norms and ethics afterall)
• 08:27, 4 September 2005 Truth aspirant (Wiki4u is calling bad words to other users of Wikipedia while he ought to behave)
• 15:13, 3 September 2005 Wiki4u (User:Truth Aspirant is changing IDs and removes messages again & again, we have traced it soon 'll bring it to light...)
• 12:31, 3 September 2005 Tearlach (judging by Talk discussion, neutrality clearly disputed)
• 19:22, 2 September 2005 Wiki4u (The vandalism of User:Truth aspirant is leading this article towards serious editorial crisis and the issues of freedom of thought, speach and expression...serious editors r requested to help!)
• 16:11, 2 September 2005 Truth aspirant (Wiki4u is now changing content anonymously - this proves what he is.)
• 16:05, 2 September 2005 Truth aspirant (Spit at moon and you have it back on your face... you are vandelizing wikipedia and accusing others - please keep it clean)
• 00:37, 1 September 2005 202.165.250.250 (WARNING 2 USER Truth aspiran: plz refrain from Vandelism of Wikipedia!)
• 14:36, 31 August 2005 Truth aspirant (Please don't use Wikipedia for vandelism and personal grudges.)
• 14:35, 31 August 2005 Truth aspirant (Please use blogs or discussion forums to blow your furnace and don't exploit Wikipedia for personal enmities)
• 20:42, 29 August 2005 203.82.48.54 (let us decide it....)
• 11:51, 29 August 2005 Truth aspirant (Wiki4u is using different names and puting the same text again n again NOT to make the article balanced but only to satisfy his personal grudges)
• 19:38, 27 August 2005 Wiki4u (The “accusations” seem true as the anonymous user is deleting it, I’m gona report it so that they r caught red-handed! Plz help tomake this a balanced article.)
• 16:35, 27 August 2005 Craigy144 m (Reverted edits by 80.231.147.3 to last version by 203.82.57.100)
• 20:43, 28 July 2005 Wiki4u (The ‘critical’ portion of this article is again included to make it a balanced article...this is not a ‘business-profile’ of Mir Shakil-ur-Rahman...plz help to make it aa ‘encyclopedic article’...)
• 05:46, 27 July 2005 202.165.255.18 (cleaned up a bit: but article still needs further cleaning)Wiki4u 19:00, 4 September 2005 (UTC)