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The following discussion is an archived debate of the case of suspected sockpuppetry. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page. All edits should go to the talk page of this case. If you are seeing this page as a result of an attempt to open a new case of sockpuppetry of the same user, read this for detailed instructions.

User:Ninavizz

Suspected sockpuppeteer

Ninavizz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

Suspected sockpuppets

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Wikiwikimoore (talk) 21:13, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Evidence

There is evidence of ongoing sock puppetry starting in August of 07 through present. The editing is with respect to the Violet Blue (author) page. All of the edits are POV pushing on one of three issues. One: attempts to remove as much information about Violet's tenure at SRL. Two: attacks against editors who disagree with Ninavizz, or her sock puppets. Three: attacks and edits around the BoingBoing-Violet issue.

Ninavizz's POV on the SRL issue is made clear in this talk page edit (which strangely was made while not logged in and was manually signed ):

http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Violet_Blue_(author)&diff=223667419&oldid=223661683

In this edit she tells us, "my edits were not POV pushing about SRL: they were and continue to be, fact, and a fact that I could at the time (and can still) personally substantiate through my direct involvement with SRL". Conveniently we don't need to argue that Ninavizz has been involved in sock puppetry as she admits to it twice. Once in a comment on boingboing.net where Ninavizz states "Wikipedia, that displays a coffeehouse WiFi's IP address that I'd made the 3 Wikipedia edits from (as well as I suppose, sending emails to his account on, months prior- good catch)". (Edits from referenced IP here Special:Contributions/67.188.110.143, SRL POV pushing.) Then again when, as Ninavizz, she edits one of her puppets talk pages to disclose that it was a puppet [[1]] which she later thinks better of and deletes [[2]].

Below I list exemplary edits from each puppet:

67.188.40.44 http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Violet_Blue_(author)&diff=prev&oldid=151067674

67.188.110.143 http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Violet_Blue_(author)&diff=prev&oldid=151225138

Flowersprout http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Violet_Blue_(author)&diff=prev&oldid=151735146

SpiritMovesMee http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Violet_Blue_(author)&diff=prev&oldid=151862361

ChoochooBiz http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:ChoochooBiz&diff=prev&oldid=175769057

Delbertpk http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Violet_Blue_(author)&diff=prev&oldid=151877472

HackerToy http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Violet_Blue_(author)&diff=prev&oldid=152515366

EscalanteXP http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Violet_Blue_(author)&diff=prev&oldid=167470660

Norquist9 http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Boing_Boing&diff=prev&oldid=222286071

Brazensunseeker http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Violet_Blue_(author)&diff=prev&oldid=223668696

Kombatstilettos http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Violet_Blue_(author)&diff=prev&oldid=223812234

Comments

I clearly have a COI with respect to the violet blue page, which I disclosed, on Feb 8 2007, before making any edits to the page [[3]]. Regardless of my COI, I feel that, where I may have made some mistakes during my process of learning the culture and practices of Wikipedia, I have been a positive element who tries to come to consensus about changes before making them. It is also clear that Ninavizz has a personal issue with Violet. There are current and ongoing disputes on the page, that clearly include other parties as well, which may or may not include other sock puppets.

Conclusions

I have shown unarguably that Ninavizz has been involved in at least some level of sock puppetry and provided strong evidence of an extensive and long running POV campaign using puppets.

Sorry, not enough manpower at SSP to handle this. Resubmit if it continues. Enigma ^message 18:17, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

The person placing this report was involved in an action with the subject of the article in which they, at a microphone in a public forum, and without any evidence whatsoever, accused Nina of having been "stalking" them on Wikipedia, and then they outed her wikipedia name. I think we all have seen the baleful effects of outing in our recent loss of NewYorkBrad, and I hope that the admins who review this case will proceed accordingly. This person's allegations AFAIK have nothing whatsoever to back them up except POV and mean-spiritedness. --BenBurch (talk) 21:28, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

These charges are all false or misleading. If any admin want to discuss any thing with me I will be happy to do so publicly or privately. As for the basis for my allegations, the evidence I have provided above is quite strong.Wikiwikimoore (talk) 21:47, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note that coffeehouse IP addresses are NOT sockpuppetting, son, they are the inevitable result of being mobile. The current named account was LATER than this era. However, on the article subjects Blog she, and by extension you have solicited meatpuppets to POV-push on the subject's article, and those meatpuppets have absolutely showed up. Admins contact me if you need the URL where that solicitation was posted. Thank you! --BenBurch (talk) 22:06, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That request was maid a long time ago and did not ask any one to push a POV. What she ask is full is:

"Please help. My Wikipedia page does me no justice whatsoever. My press and publicity page has more info — and that’s not much. All I want for christmas is a Wikipedia page that looks like everyone else’s, rather than just a dry list of my books (and not even including the ones I’ve contributed to). I will be happy to answer any and all questions to accomplish this goal. I just have no clue how to go about it."

The post is here [4] as you can see that happend in augest of 07 and Violet now understands even this POV pushing free request is considered inappropriate by Wikipedia. I personally see no evidence of the supposed meat puppets showing up after that requests. So benburch please provide evidence for this claim that "those meatpuppets have absolutely showed up". Wikiwikimoore (talk) 22:29, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I rest my case. That is a request for meatpuppetry and is absolutely POV-pushing as it asks for FANS to ask her for INPUT for the page. --BenBurch (talk) 22:56, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am definately not a ninavizz sockpuppet. Based on the Violet Blue talk page, it would seem that wikiwikimoore has 'lost' it in many instances and is just noise making the talk page hard to read, often asking the same questions repeatedly or not bothering to completely read explanations in context, or even click on links cited as proofs, but would prefer to challenge every single entry that is not written as if the article were a CV. In fact some of the link spam he provided doesn't even prove the point he was trying to make. He seems to have the inability to think objectively before reacting such as posting a lot of link spam trying to prove something that was not even being disputed.Brazensunseeker (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 22:27, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jonathan- you have provided no evidence, other than 1) My BoingBoing contribution, and 2) The history on my DelbertPK's S.P., that simply was a reneged attempt at outing myself, some time ago. Both pieces of evidence were made available to you because *I* volunteered disclosure... the prior, only coming forward with after you outed me for contributing, anonymously. Wikipedia users are well within their rights to contribute anonymously, and what code of ethics are you adhering to, "outing" me for my very reasonable anonymous edits- and falsely accusing me of others that only your "gut" just is guiding you on?

This is slander, plain and simple- and it is slander to both cause me personal damage, and to deny that *many* people are involved, and not just me.

This is pretty clear wikipedia abuse, imho, to resolve a personal dispute that you and Violet have both refused to meet with me in person, mediated or not, in a civilized fashion, to resolve, in the year+ since the SRL show at Maker Faire. As an abusive use of wikipedia, it is my hope that admins will take appropriate action. None of my anonymous, attributed, or *one* sock-puppet edit, were abusive, slanderous, or mean-spirited. This is all of the above.

The SRL stuff is PRIVATE, and my sockpuppet DelbertPK was created entirely to disguise my identity, so that my expressions requesting folks to focus on other stuff would not be written-off. Sock Puppetry, like COIs, is strongly discouraged; and I think in the one instance where I did it, it was reasonable. You and Violet and all of your/her sockpuppets need to STOP hyper-focusing on the SRL contributions!!! Violet is noteworthy for many OTHER reasons, hence her presence here!

Everyone in SRL (myself included) have had a tremendously difficult year, bereaved with the Robodock accident. Dealing with Violet's self-serving demands for her personal history with SRL to be set straight and in lengthy detail on her wikipedia page are both inconsiderate noise, and especially irritating; since she is *not* noteworthy for her SRL contributions, and many with SRL have been upset by her over the last few years for appearing to ride on the celebrity coat-tails of her involvement with SRL which was no-more noteworthy than any of 100+ or so other volunteers' work has been.

What concrete evidence do you have to link me to any of the other IDs or IPs?! The other day I forgot to log-in, and so my edit is shown as coming from an anonymous IP- despite the fact that I signed it, with my username. I'd like to add here that because of all the hostility and your "enthusiastic" efforts to slander me because of our personal differences, I had to go through quite the song-and-dance with my DSL company this weekend, because of my aforementioned mistake, having my full array of Static IP's re-assigned/created, out of fear of you hacking into my server and creating more problems for me.

Please take it offline Jonathan, and just quit harassing me with this slanderous barrage!!! You and Violet both clearly have concerns with me, personally- and a year after this mess started, the frustrations and hostility are now mutual. A personal sit-down discussion is a much more appropriate place to start to seek resolution, than wikipedia. If resolution is not your goal, but creating more "drama" is, then you probably chose the correct action to take.

ninavizz (talk) 03:04, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I note that DelbertPK never made a main-space edit at all. Not exactly actionable especially after they had already invaded your privacy. --BenBurch (talk) 04:26, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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+:Sorry, not enough manpower at SSP to handle this. Resubmit if it continues. '''[[User:Enigmaman|<font color="blue">Enigma</font>]]''' ''[[User talk:Enigmaman|<b><sup>message</sup></b>]]'' 18:17, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
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