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July 29

Signature

Hello, my signature seems to be having some problems as of late, when I post it in main space: Kuro ♪ , it works fine, however, when it funtions as a signature it reads only as the raw HTML code. NOTE: I do have raw signature turned off.[[User:Kurowoofwoof111| <font color="Blue">'''Kuro ♪'''</font>]] (talk) 00:09, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You need raw signature checked, not unchecked. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 00:12, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All you have to do is go to back to your preferences and check mark the box next to "raw signature". It has to be checked or else it will not work properly. Thanks, RyRy (talk) 02:52, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to know the technical details, not checking raw signature will make the MediaWiki (the software the place runs on) make your signature link to your userpage, nullifying any existing links by escaping the characters. Checking it prevents it from doing so. Any signature containing a link must be checked as raw, otherwise the links won't work (as they aren't supposed to). Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 03:07, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unable to Access "Red Square" Moscow

I have attempted several approaches to access any article about "Red Square" in Moscow. All attempts bring up the following statement:

I am new to Wikipedia. Am I doing something wrong? I have successfully brought up other Moscow locations.

Thank you. "Rrm56 (talk) 01:15, 29 July 2008 (UTC)"[reply]

We have an article Red Square. I can't see anything there that could cause problems, and it displays fine for me on FireFox, IE, Opera, and Safari. What, precisely, do you see when you click that link? Algebraist 01:21, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bullet (*)

What character or image is used for the bullet created by *?

<--This character, to the left

Graham (talk, contrib, SIGN HERE!!!) 03:06, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/monobook/bullet.gif . Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 03:08, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Scrollable TOC

I've noticed on some people's talk pages, the Table of Contents at the top is scrollable. How do you do this?

♫Death gle an er 04:00, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Try this

<table style="width: 200px; height: 200px; overflow: scroll;">__TOC__</table>

.- Icewedge (talk) 04:49, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The only problem with that is in a technical sense, the TOC isn't really scrollable, it's simple placed inside a table that is scrollable and smaller than the TOC itself. That's probably how people do it, though... Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 05:12, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just find one of those talk pages and copy their code. (If you need help with that feel free to just post a link here and I as well as many other users will be happy to help you sort through it) DaRkAgE7 _[Talk] 05:17, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sort of water filter system in US

Can I know what sort of water filter system is most common in US?

Is is Reverse OSmosis, UV, or other sort?

Thanks!

This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Miscellaneous reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. -CWY2190(talk • contributions) 05:25, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The size of virus and heavy metal in water

Can anybody show me the picture or scale of virus and heavy metal which exist in our drinking water?

Which sort of filter can actually remove this kind of creatures and contaminant? Thanks!!

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 05:40, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Am I wrong?

See this. Am I wrong in reverting this? Dismas|^(talk) 05:37, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, I don't believe so. In fact, I reverted it back to your version after an undo. NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work} 05:48, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thanks. Dismas|^(talk) 07:41, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notability

Does Jen Zoia deserve a mention on the Port Charlotte High School article (see the search results at excite.com)? GO-PCHS-NJROTC ^(Messages) 08:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd advise against linking anyone in the "notables" section unless they have an article already. That said, the good hits I notice are from the local Charlotte newspaper, so any notability that might infer is highly questionable. (and why excite.com? It's just google with different look...) Someguy1221 (talk) 08:23, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Excite has results from Google, Yahoo, and Ask. There are some things that show up in Google that aren't in Yahoo and vice versa. GO-PCHS-NJROTC ^(Messages) 08:48, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is Zoia worthy of her own article? I'm guessing no at this time, but I just thought I'd ask. 74.4.117.82 (talk) 19:31, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

about e-books

I wanna know that where we get the new ideas and different techonology to implement our plans in e-books to our project?59.98.114.53 (talk) 08:53, 29 July 2008 (UTC)anitha—59.98.114.53 (talk) 08:53, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We have an article about e-books. I guess your project is not on Wikipedia. Have you tried the Computing section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:35, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Local copy of Nature article?

I am doing some research for a paper about Wikipedia's reliability and I have come across this paper. However I do not have a subscription to Nature and am wondering if there is a copy stores on a Wikipedia server someplace? Or perhaps someone has the PDF? Thanks! Bstone (talk) 10:54, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, it's a funny thing, when I click that link I can read the article. My license terms prevent me from publishing it though. Perhaps you could send me an email so we might discuss the problem further. You can also check at the library. Franamax (talk) 11:12, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

how do you add an article to wikipedia?

i have looked everywhere and i cannot find anywhere to do that, and i really want to. please answer,68.45.91.112 (talk) 12:07, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You will need to first register an account, which has many benefits, including the ability to create articles. Once you have registered, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:24, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Codes for styles

Do we have (either here or on Meta or somewhere else) a centralized list of all the codes that can be used after <div style= and <span style= for text formatting? —An gr 13:00, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is a list I use as a cheat sheet: [1] --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 13:13, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Editing the entry: How to do that?

Hi,

I was trying to edit the article about "Gautama Buddha" but find no edit button or any other option that allows me to do that. All I was trying to edit was: Change the name of the country Buddha was born from 'India' to 'Nepal'.

Lumbini where Buddha was born was (ans is) part of Nepal. His father used to be the king of that small territory and that area has been part of Nepal ever since. Nepal never invaded any part of India. So it had been part of Nepal ever since. The place still IS in Nepal.

Could your Wiki team remove those errors about the place Buddha was born?

Thank you.

Dilli Neupane

Gautama Buddha is semi-protected so only autoconfirmed users can edit it. This means your account must be at least 4 days old and have at least 10 edits. You can suggest changes at Talk:Gautama Buddha. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:24, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Large Font Size

````the articles contain text of very large font size.How can I restore it to original font size?````

This may be a browser option. Try holding down the 'Ctrl' and '-' keys at the same time. If that doesn't work, what is your browser and do you have the same problem with other websites? PrimeHunter (talk) 13:27, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia for a company

Does wikipedia offer a download of the format so that a company can start it's own "wiki language" for its own personal use? This means that a person could search for topics related to the company's business and get results that have been input by our staff?

The software the runs Wikipedia is the MediaWiki software, available here: [2] All relevant information on usage is located there as well. Many companies currently employ methods much like what you are interested in for internal communication and knowledgebase management so it should be fairly easy to implement.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 14:25, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See MediaWiki, Corporate wiki, WP:BFAQ#CORPWIKI, and b:Wiki Science/How to start a wiki. --Teratornis (talk) 19:49, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

same topic in different language

hi there! I am new on wikipedia and I have a question for you guys. I recently did one article and there is english version of that article, and I did a version in Macedonian language. I want to know when I am opening the page for the english version, the Macedonian version is not shown in the box for supported languages, what should I do, so the article to be linked with the same article but on macedonian version. Thx

See Help:Interlanguage links. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:41, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

At the bottom of your Macedonian article, put [[en:Article name in English]]. At the bottom of the English article, type [[mk:Article name in Macedonian]]. − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 14:43, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bot Coding

I have to do a project for a class I am taking on Java programming. Once you write the code, where do you place the code? Thanks, ṜέđṃάяķvюĨїήīṣŢ ^{Drop me a line}_{Review Me!} 14:49, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No idea. But someone at the Computing Reference Desk might know. Give them a try. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 15:25, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you are referring to Wikipedia bots then Wikipedia:Creating a bot may be of interest, but note Wikipedia:Bot policy. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:36, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

User Group Rights?

Hey there,

I checked WP:PROPOSAL, but I couldn't find any proposals for alternative user groups. Were there ever any notable discussions regarding this? Perfect Proposal ^{Speak Out!} 15:42, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Alternative user groups"? You wouldn't mind elaborating on what you mean by that, would you? Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 15:46, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I guess it refers to user groups with a new combination of permissions at Wikipedia:User access levels. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:58, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

looking up Company statistics/profile

New to this site. I would like to look-up specific companies to get the following information: Address Size of facility Sr. Management people Employee count

Where do I start? Help.

You can type the company name into the search box to the left. Many companies don't have articles and the information you want will not always be there when we do have articles. You can also try a search engine like Google at http://www.google.com/ and find the company's own website (which will usually also be linked from articles here). PrimeHunter (talk) 16:11, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

REGAINING ACCESS TO MY ACCOUNT AFTER LOSING THE EMAIL

REGAINING ACCESS TO MY ACCOUNT AFTER LOSING THE EMAIL, I am the Administrator of the account, How do I regain my Administration Rights? Please Help Me. I created this page and have misplaced / forgot the email that i used to create this specific account! You can even Call me! Please Help Me!!

I will be forever grateful! Thank You! 140.239.230.15 (talk) 15:53, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid that is not possible. You can't login without your password, and you can't reset your password without a valid email address. I'd create a new account, and if you really were an administrator here before you lost your email, you can email the Arbitration Committee with evidence. Thanks, PeterSymonds (talk) 15:55, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think he is just a regular editor; from context English does not seem to be his first language. Mystery User, you need either the password or email access as discussed. If the old account had few or no edits I think it might be possible to usurp it, I'm starting to get confused on how all that works nowadays... must be getting old. I took the liberty of amending the section header... it was very long --_{tiny plastic} Grey Knight ⊖ 17:11, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You need a user name and password but not an email address to log in and access an account. But if you forgot your password and want a new one then you need access to an email address you have earlier registered to the account while you had access to it. What is your user name? PrimeHunter (talk) 16:04, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

From the way he wrote "I am the Administrator of the account", I don't think he meant he was a Wikipedia admin. He just meant he was the person in charge of the account, i.e. the user to whom the user account was assigned. —An gr 13:20, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Never using your site again

Your John Edwards "reasoning" is the last straw. Goodbye.

Bye. − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 15:59, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There appears to be a dispute over the John Edwards article. See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Pre-emptive request for administrative eyes on John Edwards. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 19:33, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia has lots of disputes. See WP:EIW#Dispute for links to our accumulated wisdom for resolving them. --Teratornis (talk) 19:47, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ZIRH International is now ZIRH Holdings, LLC

Resolved

The company ZIRH International is incorrectly listed..."ZIRH International" no longer exists, and is now "ZIRH Holdings, LLC." This can be verified at www.zirh.com.

Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia that anyone can edit (well, most everyone). Therefore, if there is an error, you are encouraged to fix it yourself. In this case, it requires a move, which requires an account that is autoconfirmed. Therefore, you might want to try requesting the move at Wikipedia:Requested moves, making sure to follow the directions there. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 16:14, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have moved it to ZIRH Holdings (our guidelines don't include LLC in article names) and changed the name inside the article. The poster did as requested at Wikipedia:Contact us/Article problem/Factual error (from enterprise). PrimeHunter (talk) 17:39, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rename category

Resolved

Can someone rename a category (using one of those nifty Wikipedia tools) from Category:Guardian journalists → Category:The Guardian people. I left some discussion at Talk:The Guardian, but so far the apathy vote is wining. --h2g2bob (talk) 16:47, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You can propose category moves by going to WP:CFD (Categories for discussion) and following the instructions there. − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 16:50, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks --h2g2bob (talk) 17:33, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category searching

I have added class and importance attributes to the WikiProject Croatia banner and I'm looking for templates that haven't been marked as templates on the banner talk page. I was wondering is there a way to list all pages from a category as usual, but only those belonging to a specific namespace (Template talk in this example). That would make my job way easier. Admiral Norton ^(talk) 17:33, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't quite follow you. Are you looking for WikiProject Croatia related templates that have not been tagged with the project banner? --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 17:37, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure exactly what you want but maybe [3] can be used instead. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:50, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm looking for WikiProject Croatia related templates that have been tagged with banner, but not with "class=template". Thanks, PrimeHunter, your link does just what I was aiming for. Admiral Norton ^(talk) 18:01, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Templates, not articles? A rough, but incomplete, search of Template:/Temlpate talk: space for "Croatia" gives these results. − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 18:26, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

From {{WikiProject Croatia}}, do a What Links Here and set the namespace to Template.[4] There are only seven templates listed. Your big problem is finding those that may not have the banner; the search noted in the previous reply should help there. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 19:26, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For some other search methods, which may or may not help, see {{Google custom}} and WP:EIW#Query. --Teratornis (talk) 19:45, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Admin Abuse

Resolved

– IP address blocked for evading block from another account. Forum shopping. seicer | talk | contribs 19:50, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How is it reported? Tanthalas39 has broken some pretty serious rules, blocked people he doesn't like, and then covered up their attempts to get unblocked. --66.190.62.245 (talk) 18:15, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WP:ANI -CWY2190(talk • contributions) 18:17, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And please notify Tanthalas39 if you take it to AN/I. Thanks, PeterSymonds (talk) 18:19, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(3ec) Did you try to talk with Tanthalas? Perhaps that may help. :) Regards, —αἰτίας •discussion• 18:20, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This post is the only edit from that IP. Mjpresson (talk) 18:25, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone is free to review my blocks. Until there is an accusation that involves merit or evidence, I'll consider this a non-event. Thanks for the heads up, Mj. Tan ǀ 39 20:40, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Without diffs it is a non-event. However, a quick look at your block history tells me this ip may have hit the nail on the head; you do appear to block people you don't like, and you don't appear to like vandals, spammers and even disruptive users. How very dare you;-)--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:11, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Should I give up the bit now? ;-) Tan ǀ 39 21:13, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, yay. Everyone's buddy buddy. So nice to see everyone getting along even amidst an accusation of corruption. Perhaps you should take a closer look at some of those "vandalism" labels, reverts, and page protections on user talk pages. Not that you will. I notice there isn't even an area specifically designated to report admin corruption, despite its inevitability within any system in which one group has power over other groups. Oh well, not my problem. I was just concerned by the behavior, what you do about corruption doesn't affect me. --66.190.62.245 (talk) 15:01, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can you point to any specific occasions where you feel this admin has abused the rules? Unfortunately, it's very tough to follow up on general accusations of rule breaking and abuse. TN‑X-Man 15:03, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Message left on IPs talk page to take to ANI. Further accusations of corruption without any evidence whatsoever will be considered a personal attack. Tan ǀ 39 15:12, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and I'm sure you'll be the one to enforce the block for my "personal attacks." --66.190.62.245 (talk) 16:12, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, I'd let other users watching this thread take care of that, if it came to it. Tan ǀ 39 16:14, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So be it. I found another case of corruption from the 24th of July. I put it right where you wanted it. Not like anything will be done about it. Wouldn't be surprised if you deleted it. --66.190.62.245 (talk) 16:39, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How do I get GNU License

Dear Sir

    I intend to write a "how To Book" regarding Horse Racing and how to place bets.

I intend to use Wikipedia Website for my research and to confirm my knowledge of the sport.

In some instances I would want to write, as an example, the recent Racing event "Triple Crown", identfify some common terms used to identify Quarter Horse, Tracks, racing schedules, etc.,.

Do I need an license to rewrite some of the information, into my book, that I may acquire from your Wikipedia website.

Also, a lot of the information is common knowledge, but been provided by "Equibase,NTRA, ESPN or other sporting websites to the Wikipedia Encycopedia.

Am I allowed to rewrite some of the information and in doing so would the information be considered violiation of the copywrite law.

All of the information these different websites sent in to Wikipedia say the same thing. If I need to acknowledge each and everyone, how do I capture that information, or can I just cite Wikipedia as it is proclaimed that the information is free and can be used. Do I need a GNU License. ≤≥

Your Prompt reply and guidance will be really appreciated.

Warm Regards

Carlos M. Arana

You don't need a license to rewrite information from Wikipedia. All our content is licensed under the GFDL, which means you can copy portions of Wikipedia freely, so long as:

You attribute the author of the work (actually the three main authors)
Any derivative works are licensed under the GFDL
You provide a copy of the license (there's one at Wikipedia:Text of the GNU Free Documentation License)

If you just want to cite Wikipedia as a source for information (rather than copying text from Wikipedia) you don't need to do anything. Hut 8.5 17:44, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And see Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia and Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content. --Teratornis (talk) 19:42, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tracking who visits the page

I am currently in the development of a wikipedia page and am wondering if there is a way to track who visits the page. I would want this to be for free of course as it is an experiment. Thanks, Chris. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cnassau (talk • contribs) 18:56, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome, Chris. There are two main ways of tracking who visits this page: seeing who edits it by checking the page history, and seeing how many visitors it gets per days using the traffic statistics tool (although this doesn't always work). Regards, Skomorokh 19:02, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to know who visits the page, that's generally considered a breach of privacy rights. The Wikipedia servers do record the information (what IP address requests what article), but they don't give it out. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 19:13, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fundraising allowed?

I know you can not post about a product to sell, but I was wondering if I could add something to the Olympics Team USA about their fund raising? We sell items and some of the proceeds go to the athletes, teams and their families. Is this ok to post? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.123.145.53 (talk) 20:17, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No. It's still promotion of your company. Event though it's a good cause, it's advertisement. ——Mr. E. Sánchez ^{Wanna know my story?}/ _{Share yours with me!} 20:20, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

UNPUBLISHED PAGE???

Dear Wikipedia People.

My user name is Yambry, and a few days ago, (12th of July), I wrote a small article relating to the role of a 'Marchand de Bien' in France.

It looks great on my page..........but that is as far as it has ever gone. When I search under 'Marchand de Bien'.....nothing.

Any ideas?

Many thanks.

I look forward to hearing from you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yambry (talk • contribs) 20:59, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You have edited your user page, not Marchand de Bien. You can, however move the page to Marchand de Bien. x42bn6 Talk Mess 21:03, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you're looking for things that you've done, click the link on the side that says "My contributions." Special:Contributions/Yambry will also take you to your list of edits. SDY (talk) 21:05, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, be aware that if you move this article to mainspace as-is, it will probably be deleted rather quickly. Right now, it fails WP:V and WP:N (as a result of the WP:CORP guidelines), and really appears to be original research, which is not allowed on Wikipedia. I could be wrong here, I'm just observing and giving you a heads-up. Tan ǀ 39 21:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It looks to me like it's some kind of legal or tax status/concept, rather than a company or person, so with appropriate references I don't think it would fail notability. – ukexpat (talk) 00:12, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You also got replies at Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2008 July 15#Marchand de Bien. Questions are usually replied where they were asked. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:25, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Photobucket

Can images from photobucket be uploaded? Photobucket's terms of use seems to explain that all public photos can be copied, modified, and distributed for any legal use. In particular, see under the section "Proprietary Rights in Content on Photobucket". Snowman (talk) 21:16, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Some Photobucket users may upload images they don't themselves have the right to, so they cannot give away the right. Wikipedia:Media copyright questions may be a better place to ask. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:31, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(e/c) Sorry, Photobucket images are generally a no-no. Photobucket is an image hosting service. The images do not originate from Photobucket but from its users who do the uploads and who usually provide no copyright information. In that absence, we must assume the images are copyrighted unless their owners have expressly made the claim somewhere that the images are either under a free license or in the public domain.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:39, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But photobuckets terms of service (I have given the link to the terns of service above) specify that the images the photobucket users upload can be modified, duplicated, distributed, and used ... so are photobucket users specifying this copyright information just by uploading them? Snowman (talk) 22:23, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's akin to buying stolen goods. Wikipedia didn't steal them but that doesn't change who their proper owner is. If it was theirs to give away in the first place (i.e. some random person's vacation pictures of the Statue of Liberty), then I see no reason not to use it since they've essentially released it into the public domain by putting it on photobucket, but that's very hard to verify. For the record, I am only a wikilawyer, not a real one. SDY (talk) 22:42, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you not say the same about flicr? There are wiki guidelines about uploading from flickr to check that the uploader has used the same camera for a series of images and other clues about the original work. So taking care to follow the same rules it should be equally possible to find the genuine images of work uploaded to photobucket intended by the actual creator of the work to be released for free use. Snowman (talk) 23:04, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you can convincingly demonstrate that the photobucket user has the rights to the image (e.g. they took the picture), and your interpretation of their policies is correct, then go ahead and use it. Their policy in itself and "it's on photobucket" are not sufficient evidence that there are no copyright problems. SDY (talk) 19:17, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What other interpretation of the photobucket policies are there? Snowman (talk) 22:49, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What is guider.nl????? It takes you to wikipedia and stuff it is weird.

Ok I googled Wikipedia and the first link came up and it looked like a normal wiki link www.guider.nl It takes me to wikipedia and around wikipedia, but the url doesnot change.

Just want to let you know —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr.StevenFeldman (talk • contribs) 21:42, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The page is a two frame webpage, the top frame Wikipedia, the bottom frame a blank page. However, the parent webpage is still guider.nl, which is why the URL doesn't change. x42bn6 Talk Mess 21:55, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Legal advice

Is it sensible to refuse legal questions? If someone loses money as a result of taking legal advice from a Wikipedia article, who is responsible? Does the same not apply to talk pages? Either legal questions and all legal coverage should be removed (indeed (m)any parts of the encylopedia could conceivably be used in making some legal decision) or they should both be allowed. ----Seans Potato Business 22:46, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest you to read Wikipedia:Legal disclaimer. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 22:51, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't really answer my query though - if this disclaimer covers articles, why not talk pages? ----Seans Potato Business 16:59, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

username and password

i have forgotton my username and password. can you help me?jackie moore —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.198.150.219 (talk) 22:49, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If your old account has edited pages and you remember which then you can click "history" on those pages and look for your account name. If (and only if) there is an email address registered for the account then you can request a new password at the login screen. You can also just create a new account. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:00, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How do I add an image to my article?

I have uploaded the image. It went to the Commons. How do I get it into the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fvlcrvm (talk • contribs) 23:05, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to add an existing image to an article, type [[Image:File name.jpg|right|Optional caption.]] to the article – replacing File name.jpg with the actual file name of the image, right with the alignment of the image on the page and Optional caption with the caption, which of course, is optional. See our picture tutorial for more information. Someguy1221 (talk) 23:06, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

July 30

Unable to edit pages on English Wikipedia using Firefox or Mozilla-based Browsers when logged in.

Hey. I'm using Firefox 3 at the moment but I noticed this problem as early as Firefox 2.0.0.8. It also seems to occur in Flock 1.2 (I never tried editing in 1.1).

When I attempt to create/edit pages on the English Wikipedia, Firefox attempts to download "index.php" to either open it in gVim or save it to my harddrive. This for all intents and purposes means I can not contribute to Wikipedia while I'm logged on. (Note: When I'm logged off I can edit pages fine.)

This occurs in the Modern, Cologne Blue, and Monobook skins. I don't know about others, I haven't tested them as a) they're aesthetically difficult to me (i need "cleaner" styles to concentrate) and b) I haven't had time.

Note: Plain edit links like [5] do not work. For some reason, this edit [6] did work.

Thanks very kindly in advance for any assistance you can provide. Horst.Burkhardt (talk) 00:01, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You didn't have any problems asking this question? —Mizu onna sango15^Hello! 00:02, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No I didn't, as link 10 demonstrates, the links that have a &section= after the &action=edit seem to let me edit, meaning I can theoretically edit small pieces of pages. This is quite useless to me however as I create pages also, and sometimes I will just click "edit page" rather than scrolling to a particular section's edit link. Horst.Burkhardt (talk) 00:07, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

~~Right click the edit tab, and select "Copy link location", and post it here. You might have specified something strange it your preferences. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 00:20, 30 July 2008 (UTC)~~[reply]

Never mind, I've got it figured out. You have selected "Use external editor by default" in your preferences under "Editing" :) - so why are you surprised when it works? :) Deselect it, click save, clear your cache, and all should be well again. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 00:23, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks kindly... I feel like a right noob now - I had hoped once that I could use SXEmacs and wikipedia-mode to do editing... but I fail rather hard xD Thanks once again, sorry for the trouble. Much wikilove etc. Horst.Burkhardt (talk) 00:35, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Braiden... where are you ???

I have just joined and I was wondering how I might be able to get in contat with Robert Braiden on this site>? Can you tell me how to do that? Or to let him know that I am looking for him with regards to work we have done together and also some tips on WikipediA. This is quite important otherwise I wouldnt be sending this. I can supply my contact details. Looking forward to hearing back from you

king regards Tony Maw Australia (talk) 01:25, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over two million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the online free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the left hand side of your screen. If that is not fruitful, we have a reference desk, divided into various subjects areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Someguy1221 (talk) 01:30, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What happened to my article?

I previously created an article on Sparkbliss and it seems to have disappeared - is there a reason it was deleted?

My account name is sparkbliss. Thank you.

Sparkbliss (talk) 02:10, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It was speedily deleted for being "blatant advertising". As an administrator, I can read the deleted version and I entirely agree with the decision. Please read Wikipedia's position on advertising and Wikipedia's position on the notabilty requirement for websites. Given that your username strongly suggests that you are connected with the website, I also suggest you read Wikipedia's position on conflicts of interest. If Sparkbliss is notable enough, someone else will write about it in the future. Regards, Bencherlite ^Talk 02:17, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I also agree with the deletion. See also Wikipedia:FAQ/Business. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:20, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New Article Name for defunct company

I have been debating on creating a new article for Great Western Bank, however, the article already exists here. I wanted to create it for the banks listed throughout the Midwest and in Arizona. What can be done with the current article, or how can I name the new article? Sweet Pea 1981 (talk) 02:27, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you're talking about distinct organisations, then you create pages that use disambiguated titles - for example, Great Western Bank (Midwest). Then, you use either hatnotes or a full-blown disambiguation page to guide people to the appropriate article. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 03:50, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Named references with only one cite

Is there any advantage to naming references that are only cited once in an article? I've been editing an article that has a lot of named references that are only cited once, and I was wondering if there was any reason not to remove the names from all those references, seeing as it would probably reduce the page's file size slightly and reduce needless clutter in the edit box. thebogusman (talk) 05:39, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If an editor decides to expand the article and use these references somewhere else, it might be handy to have them pre-named. − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 05:46, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't do any harm, and might be useful in the future as User:Twas Now says. Note that making an edit to change it would result in a new history record, so in terms of the disk space usage on the servers we can only ever make it go up! :-) Luckily, disk space is pretty cheap, it's not our limiting factor. --_{tiny plastic} Grey Knight ⊖ 09:43, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's a good habit to get into. It also makes references easier to track when performing article cleanup or maintenance, or when merging two articles together. Hope this helps, Gazimoff 12:45, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Major revision to an established article

Two other editors and I are about to start an overhaul of Geelong Football Club, including rewriting an entire section from scratch. Now we don't want to delete that section just yet because it'll leave the article in a terrible state. Rather, we should draft the new version somewhere else and copy it over when we're done. What's the best way to do this, and what are the implications for things like edit histories? Cheers, Reyk _YO! 07:33, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Take your propositions to the articles talk page first. You can create a WP:SANDBOX or WP:SUBPAGE in order to draft it before it goes live. Wisdom89 _{(_T / ^C)} 07:46, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As far as the edit history goes, you can just include a link to the draft in the summary for the edit where you copy it over, same as you would for a merge. Someguy1221 (talk) 07:48, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, that makes sense. Thanks, both of you. Reyk _YO! 07:51, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

redirect

Why does this redirect not work? Is there any other way do it? Turbotanker (talk) 10:47, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As stated here redirects to special pages do not work and your contributions is a special page. A suggestion is to add a link on your sig to your contributions as many editors have done this instead of pointing to their user page. Hopefully this helps Monster Under Your Bed ^(talk) 10:50, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(e/c)Unfortunately the software doesn't redirect to special pages in the same way as ordinary pages, because they are part of the interface. Therefore, a soft redirect is used instead, which serves the same purpose, but a user has to click twice instead of once. Hope that helps. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 10:54, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Transcluding special pages

Follow up from the above question. Ok, so redirects to special pages don't work, but why doesn't the template {{Special:Contributions/Turbotanker}} work, when {{Special:newpages}} does? Why is this? Thanks for your help. Turbotanker (talk) 11:01, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Special:Contributions/Turbotanker = User:Turbotanker/Sandbox1 (doesn't work)
Special:newpages = User:Turbotanker/Sandbox2 (works fine)

That's interesting. I looked at doing {{Special:ShortPages}} too for the sake of argument, but it too doesn't transclude; it looks like there is a special-case to make certain special pages transcludable. I found that Special:RecentChanges and Special:NewImages are both available too; I suspect it might have been put in as a feature request by recent-changes-patrollers. --_{tiny plastic} Grey Knight ⊖ 12:29, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is mentioned in m:Help:Special_page#Transclusion.--Patrick (talk) 23:45, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Creating Two Posts

Hello - I am an associate who works for Delaware North Companies. We would like to create two posts. One each about two of our company's premier chefs. 1. Roland Henin. 2. Rolf Baumann. Our company is somewhat new to Wikipedia. We tried to post these a while back but they were taken down. We simply want to post biographical information about the chefs. How can we do this and properly cite it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by DelawareNC (talk • contribs) 12:23, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your question. A generally-useful page for businesses is Wikipedia:FAQ/Business. I took a cursory glance at what I could see about these two gentlemen, and it seems that Roland Henin is mentioned quite a lot, at least on the Internet, and has some notable facts that could make a good article. Rolf Baumann would need a more thorough search than my short look, including in offline sources. You might like to discuss the future creation of these articles at Talk:Delaware North Companies, where editors with knowledge of your company are likely to encounter it. I would definitely recommend getting other editors as well as yourself to assist with the initial research, as conflicts of interest are, as I'm sure you can appreciate, something we generally try to avoid. --_{tiny plastic} Grey Knight ⊖ 12:38, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your question about citations is a good one. You are probably in a good position to help with citing the article, since your company's PR records probably include notes about third-party articles written about these chefs (note that articles put forth by the company itself might fall under the "conflict of interest" guideline again). We can help you find out which sources are the best ones for this particular purpose.

You could try making a proposed article for each of them at User:DelawareN/Roland Henin and User:DelawareN/Rolf Baumann and then we can look over them and suggest improvements; I think several companies have found that approach to be very helpful in getting a discussion about particular points. If the proposals get up to a good enough standard they can easily be moved into "real" articles with a few mouse clicks. You could take a look at some of the pages in the "Chefs" category for ideas on how to lay things out. --_{tiny plastic} Grey Knight ⊖ 12:46, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would also strongly advise you to change your user name -- it could be regarded as promotional, resulting in a block. – ukexpat (talk) 17:28, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I disagree; I think it's a good idea for editors representing companies to disclose who they are like that. A username like User:SmellingdaleCheeseIsTheFinestNoneBetter would be promotional, but just using the company name is merely identification, which is an ordinary thing to do with a username, and in this case identifies the editor's interest obviously. --_{tiny plastic} Grey Knight ⊖ 07:33, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Changing search name for article

I am looking at one specific article. It obviously has a title. The problem is that the current title (or company) used to be named something else. The search is still under the original company's name, you cannot search for the current name even though it is the title of the page. You get redirected from the old name into the article with the new name on it. How do I change it so that you can search through the new name? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Messier123 (talk • contribs) 13:12, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm having trouble following what the problem is. Surely you can type either name into the Search box and hit "Go" or "Search", right? Can you be specific as to which article you're talking about? —An gr 13:15, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I wasn't more specific but I did realize and figure out what I was trying to accomplish with this question. Sorry again for the ambiguity of my question. Next time I know how to state it, Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Messier123 (talk • contribs) 13:24, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

file from computer into company infobox?

I was wondering if I am able to bring a file from my computer, a company logo, to put into my company infobox. I am pretty sure I am able to do that but how would I go about doing it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Messier123 (talk • contribs) 14:50, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If it's an image file like a .gif, .png, or .jpg, you have to upload it like any other image. See WP:Uploading images for more info on how to do this. —An gr 15:03, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If this company logo is a non-free image, make sure it meets Wikipedia:Non-free content policy. See also Wikipedia:Image use policy. If you're still unsure, please ask at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. --PeaceNT (talk) 15:06, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looking into your question, you probably want the {{non-free logo}} option. I'm guessing this is for Calspan Corporation? Wikipedia:Logos talks about corporate logo use in some detail, but for your specific situation (an infobox on the corporation's own article) it sums up to "OK". You'll need a "fair use rationale" on the image, but the {{logo fur}} template should help you take care of that. Ask me if you're having trouble with it, but the explanations on the upload form should cover everything. --_{tiny plastic} Grey Knight ⊖ 15:49, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Using quotations as headers?

What is Wikipedia's policy on using quotations for section headers? Dabomb87 (talk) 15:27, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Uh, what do you mean? Can we have an example, because I'm not following, and its possible others are not either. —— nix eagle 16:24, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think the question refers to using quotations in section headers. For example, using "One small step for man" as a section header for the moon landing. I don't think it should be a problem for very well known quotes, like the moon landing, various presidential speeches, etc., but that's my opinion. There may be a Manual of Style guideline for this. Cheers! TN‑X-Man 16:28, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Manual of Style for sections WP:MOSHEAD doesn't really say one way or the other, actually. TN‑X-Man 16:32, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

? unexpected offer - slightly worrying

Resolved

– Appears to be a mistake. TN‑X-Man 15:52, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:87.102.86.73&diff=prev&oldid=228818668

The user wants to send me 'sensitive information' - is this normal. What should I do. Could someone respond on my talk page please.87.102.86.73 (talk) 15:38, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Update - probably a mistake.87.102.86.73 (talk) 15:43, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're probably right. He could have been asking that of an admin and simply clicked the wrong name. Paragon12321 (talk) 15:53, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

eliminating duplicate citations/refs

Is there anyway to automatically remove duplicate urls from citations? Please see 2008 Ahmedabad bombings ChiragPatnaik (talk) 16:11, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is no automatic way, you must use <ref name="stuff"> ... </ref>. Sorry about that. —— nix eagle 16:16, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Doing... - Icewedge (talk) 16:56, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I saw :). i had fixed some as well... ChiragPatnaik (talk) 18:56, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thinking about it, this may be something to check the database for, and something to write a tool or something to assist with. I do know that I have seen this before, but I've never thought to go about fixing it. Its not unreasonable to see which pages have repeated links, then go about writing a tool that converts all same links to ref name="blah" format. —— nix eagle 17:12, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I could have sworn there was a tool (something a savvy user runs) or bot (that runs on its own given certain scope and parameters) that did this, Which is why I cam to ask here in the first place. If you are indeed going to write a tool . do rope me in. I have rudimentary programming skills, but I may be able to help you significantly in the scoping and feature planning department. Cheers ChiragPatnaik (talk) 18:56, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you would like to lay out the scope, etc. This is something that you can take to Wikipedia:Bot requests. The most I would have the time to do is to identify a list of potential pages to modify. Someone else would need to do the actual work of editing the pages. I do have a C++ program I wrote that analyzes database dumps, all I would need to do is add "multiple instances of the same link on one page" to the program, and list the output. —— nix eagle 19:09, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blender wiki = reliable ref?

Hi. I'm reviewing a GA nomination for 12 basic principles of animation and it has a few refs from the Blender wiki (Example: [7]) Is this reliable? Thanks. Intothewoods29 (talk) 17:18, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would personally say no to this. This is a wiki, which means it is not really reliable, someone can change it to whatever they want, up to and including swear words, etc. See our guidelines on reliable sources. However not all is lost, check the wiki for what sources it is referencing. At most use this as an additional source, for clarifying information, but perhaps not for verifying large chunks of information. —— nix eagle 17:22, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you want an opinion on whether a given source is reliable or not it's best to ask at WP:RS/N. Hut 8.5 17:36, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yey! alphabet soup. Did not know of that page. Thanks :) —— nix eagle 17:40, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

email

how do i check my email everythings changed over the last year —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevin teski (talk • contribs) 17:52, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia does not hold your email. If someone sent you an email, it will be forwarded to your own email account, the one that you set in your preferences. If you did not set this, nobody can email you from the 'email this user' interface. —— nix eagle 17:58, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over two million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the online free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the left hand side of your screen. If that is not fruitful, we have a reference desk, divided into various subjects areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:05, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question about regionalism

I have read the requirements for a wiki and the part about regional companies. I am trying to write a wiki on a Denver real estate company that would be of interest to thousands of people. Is this possible? Or are all regional companies off limits? Hsr123 (talk) 18:20, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A company's region has no effect on an article. I suggest reviewing WP:CORP to see if the company is notable enough for an article. Best of luck! TN‑X-Man 18:26, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As said above, WP:CORP has the requirements a company must meet for a wikipedia article. —— nix eagle 18:30, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And please also see WP:SPAM and WP:YFA. Thanks. – ukexpat (talk) 18:46, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And see: WP:BFAQ and WP:LAYOUT. If you work for the company, see WP:COI and WP:PEACOCK. Writing new articles from scratch which will "stick" can be difficult for new users, as you may have discovered with the Metrolist article. See WP:WWMPD for a preview of what often happens if you don't comply with all the relevant policies and guidelines. Note: the word "wiki" means a type of Web site that is editable by its users. The English Wikipedia is an example of a (rather large) wiki. You seem to refer to an article rather than a wiki. --Teratornis (talk) 19:40, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Adding an audio/video clip

I want to add a video/audio clip to the "Overview" section of the "Cochlear Implant" entry.

I read much of the getting started material, after I created an account, but I couldn't figure it out.

The clip I have is saved the my desk top of my computer. It would make a great addition to a basic understanding of how a "CI" works.

Thanks.

Jaime Sommers 2008 (talk) 19:36, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See our guide on uploading media files. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 20:11, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And note that in order to upload files to Wikipedia, your account must be autoconfirmed, meaning it must be at least 4 days old and have at least 10 edits. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:02, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Searching categories

Is there any way possible to distinguish those in categories that are administrators and those that aren't? Rud get 20:08, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not using MediaWiki, I don't think. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 20:11, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not possible using mediawiki, however given a list of who is an admin and who is not, and the target categories, you could find this information out fairly quickly. If its important to building the encyclopedia, try making a request at the bot request page. Someone can write a script up. I doubt said script would take more then 20 lines of code using pywikipedia or a similar framework. —— nix eagle 20:13, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's only a one-off thing, so no bot necessary. Thank you anyway. Rud get 20:15, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You might get somewhere with the methods under WP:EIW#Query. --Teratornis (talk) 20:36, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Baxter

Michael Baxter appears to be an ordinary government functionary with a good career but hardly notable; one reference I checked vastly overstates his contributions to his field, I have not checked others. The article also mistakenly says he is on the faculty of Nottingham University, this honor actually applies to Michael J. Baxter who is a completely different person, who really does appear to be a notable statistician and to pass the professor test. (For one thing, Michael Baxter says he has been in government service all his life but MJ Baxter has a long academic career, clearly there is confusion here. Question should I rename Michael Baxter to Michael J. Baxter and fix it, or should I nominate Michael Baxter for deletion and separately create Michael J. Baxter? Thanks. Dread Pirate Westley•^Aargh 20:29, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd go with the latter. There seem to be no sources available for Michael Baxter. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells• Otter chirps • HELP!)} 20:30, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How do I join a WikiProject?

How do I join a WikiProject? I want to join WikiProject Dogs, but I can't find a way to. How do I do it? Binglebongle2000 (talk) 20:54, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The page for that WikiProject is Wikipedia:WikiProject Dogs. To sign up just go to Wikipedia:WikiProject Dogs/Members and add your name. Then if you want, you can introduce yourself at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dogs. - Icewedge (talk) 20:57, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just to add to Icewedge's reply - some newcomers think there is some sort of official signup or application, when really it's just being so bold as to add your name to the membership list and dive into the action. :-) Tan ǀ 39 21:01, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Accounts

Has there ever been a user who got deleted completely, I mean, whome's contributions were removed? Red-Eye (talk) 21:48, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

<redacted> -- see below. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 04:11, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Theoretically users could be deleted by the developers using a MySQL query like DELETE FROM `user` WHERE `user`.`user_id` = <USERID> , but in fact —as far as I know— there has never been a user who got deleted in this way. But, if a user was deleted in this way, just the account would be deleted and not the contributions of the user. If you really want to delete the contributions of a user (oversight just hides them) you would need to delete every single contribution by using a MySQL query. But —as above— something like that would presumably never be done and was never done. Regards, —αἰτίας •discussion• 22:07, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Are there any special reasons when a user account gets deleted? Red-Eye (talk) 22:09, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, when a user's contributions are removed by the Oversight committee, it's for reasons of "privacy, defamation and (at times) copyrighted information which are to be expunged from any form of usual access", to quote from their page. As has been mentioned above, you can't really delete an account (barring special developer intervention). But contributions can be hidden from view due to privacy concerns, defamation of living people, or copyright issues. I hope this helps. TN‑X-Man 22:20, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Users can however be permanently blocked or banned, and Wikipedia:Banning policy#Enforcement by reverting edits says any edit by a banned user may be reverted without a further reason. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:58, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is it allowed to let an oversight remove a user's contribution if it is his request? Red-Eye (talk) 23:17, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oversighting edits is a ability limited to a very small pool of trusted editors; generally we don't increase their workloads without a really good reason. The oversight policy (here) describes the three circumstances under which oversight is used:

To remove private personal information (names, addresses, phone numbers) to protect the privacy of nonpublic individuals;
To remove potentially defamatory information under limited circumstances; and
To remove material which infringes copyright (if regular reversion or deletion are insufficient).

No provision is made in policy for a user to request the oversight of his own contributions. Manually oversighting a user's contributions is likely to be labourious and time-consuming, and I can't imagine it being done without very convincing reasons. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 23:28, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Developers can theoretically do anything by changing around data in the MySQL database. The only problem is that there needs to be a good reason for it. Concerning oversighting, it's only done if the edits are problematic. Although they can be, I doubt anyone would do it. If you want your account deleted, it can't be (OK, it technically can be), an alternative is Wikipedia:Right to vanish or simply not ever editing from your account ever again. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 04:11, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If it's just the case that there are one or two edits where an editor has accidentally revealed some private information, he could email an administrator and quietly ask if the revision could be deleted. The text would still be visible to administrators, but it should solve the editor's biggest worry of it being open to any passing maniac. --_{tiny plastic} Grey Knight ⊖ 07:28, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What is your policy on commercial sounding content?

I've searched around your site and can't find anything that is specifically about this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MFreitas75 (talk • contribs) 22:32, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:SPAM. Someguy1221 (talk) 22:43, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(ec) That depends. Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not may offer some thoughts, particularly the bit about Wikipedia not being for advertising or self-promotion. If an article is written in a 'spammy' or 'advertorial' way on a topic that ought to have a Wikipedia article, it can often be worthwhile to replace the ad copy with a neutral, encyclopedic stub. If the topic is unsuited for inclusion, the article can be deleted outright. Utterly unsalvageable articles are subject to speedy deletion criterion G11, which is for

Blatant advertising. Pages which exclusively promote some entity and which would need to be fundamentally rewritten to become encyclopedic. Note that simply having a company or product as its subject does not qualify an article for this criterion.

You may also want to refer to Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) which attempts to define some inclusion criteria for companies, and Wikipedia:Spam which gives additional information about how to deal with promotional material. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 22:46, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

July 31

Using Chinese Traditional Characters

I used to read the chines articles using the traditional characters, but know I just see the simplify one, has there been a change on the terms of use? is there a way to go back to the old way? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Avaldesm (talk • contribs) 22:26, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

using epinions what was the general rating of officemax

using epinions, what was the general rating of officemax —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.188.158.33 (talk) 01:04, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, this page is for asking questions about using Wikipedia. You may want to look at the article Office Max. You will not find any opinions or ratings of Office Max anywhere on Wikipedia. Sorry! Scottydude _talk 01:57, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to know what ratings epinions gave to Office Max, you might want to check http://www.epinions.com , for reasons which are hopefully obvious. --_{tiny plastic} Grey Knight ⊖ 07:23, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Problem with my User Page

I have recently been re formatting my user page. When I looked at the finished product I noticed that their is an upside down L like shape going through each of the images. Whenever I click any of the images it brings me to an error page called Bad title. Help would be greatly appreciated on this issue, and any user who wishes to help me has the freedom to edit my user page Kuro ♪ 21:48, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed it to use {{click}} instead of what you were using. {{Click}} tends to work better, as it is considerably more common. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 03:14, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Outlook Research

It would be really good if Wikipedia did what ever is necessary to allow it's use as research source in MS Outlook 2007 - if I try to use Outlook says Wikipedia does not return a valid "something" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.77.173 (talk) 03:26, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can you quote the exact error message? We don't know how to fix "something". :-) --_{tiny plastic} Grey Knight ⊖ 07:22, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea what this question is about either. Sometimes searching the Web for some of the keywords in an otherwise incoherent question can find useful clues.

MS Outlook 2007 use Wikipedia research source

But not this time, I guess. The question probably belongs on WP:VPT or Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing, but the question in its current form would probably not be understandable except to someone who uses MS Outlook and knows how that program handles its "research sources." --Teratornis (talk) 14:39, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah-ha, looks like it wants a web service search function, which I believe we don't have. Possibly somebody's built a third-party one we could tell the questioner about, if anybody has a link? I did some cursory looking but didn't find anything usable. --_{tiny plastic} Grey Knight ⊖ 16:13, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Formatting in templates

Is there a way to insert formatting (like tables) as a parameter (that's allowed) in a template? Like, what would happen if internal (to the formatting) | or { are used? (The template would think it's one of its symbols... so how could I indicate that it's separate formatting?) -- Menti sock 09:52, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe you have to use specific template things for using | and { inside of a template. (as for it not to be read as part of the markup.) I'm not an expert, or even a good novice at templates though, this is only from my prior conversations with template coders. Doing a little educated searching, (going to WP:TEMPLATE, and onto Help:Template, I found the following that may be of interest to you. Help:Template#A_parameter_value_containing_a_pipe_character.

I believe that is what your question is referring to, reply back to tell me how I did. If I'm wrong please note such, so someone else can try :P —— nix eagle 13:56, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think I'd need that... I'm not trying to build a template, I'm trying to use one and inserting some formatting in one of its parameters (like: {{templateexample
|parameter 1
|parameter 2
||formatting with | and }}}). I need to specify that "|formatting with | and }" is part of the parameter (could as well be plain text but in my case it's formatting) and not the template (as in, I'm not telling it to go to the next parameter with a |). -- Menti sock 14:28, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Right, to stick a | inside of a template, you have to do {{{!}}} and I'm sure there is an instruction in there for { and }. —— nix eagle 14:35, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong but the output now is either } or {{{2}}} and nothing else. I'm trying to convert all | to {{!}} (if I understood it right it's two braces not three). -- Menti sock 15:24, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What example did you try?--Patrick (talk) 22:41, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The tip of the day section on the community portal... trying to insert it as a parameter in the hidden template. -- Menti sock 11:03, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That seems to work fine except for the header:

Tip of the day

Lead Section Size

The lead section of a Wikipedia article is the section before the first heading. The table of contents, if displayed, generally appears between the lead section and the first subheading.

Rule of thumb: If a topic deserves a heading or subheading, then it deserves short mention in the lead.

The lead section should contain up to four paragraphs, depending on the length of the article, and should provide a preview of the main points the article will make, summarizing the primary reasons the subject matter is interesting or notable. The lead should be capable of standing alone as a concise overview of the article, should be written in a clear and accessible style, should be carefully sourced like the rest of the text, and should encourage the reader to want to read more. The following table has some general guidelines for the length of the lead section:

< 15,000 characters	medium size	> 30,000 characters
one or two paragraphs	two or three paragraphs	three or four paragraphs

Prior tip – Tips library – Next tip

Summary essay:

WP:CREATELEAD

Deleted article

Dear Wikepedia, What and extremely complicated and difficult to understand process you have for putting information on your site. My page about Phillips Sound Recording Services in Liverpool which I was just creating has been deleted overnight. I had only established the account and begun the article, thinking i could save it and complete the piece next day (ie, today) But it's been deleted. What should I do now, as I have a long, informative and useful article about Percy Phillips and his famous studio that I would like to make available via your website. Regards, AGBrint. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AGBrint (talk • contribs) 13:46, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you may want to review this guide to your first article. It has a lot of helpful tips. Also, I can create a sandbox page for you where you can play around with the article before it's ready to go out into the mainspace. Let me know if this helps! TN‑X-Man 13:52, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(edcon)Have a look at Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted? and Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). The reason is given in the deletion log here (towards the bottom of the page). Zain Ebrahim (talk) 13:56, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I've gone ahead and created a sandbox page for you here: User:AGBrint/Sandbox. Feel free to develop an article there. It's a stress free way to get started. If you have any questions about your article, I'll be happy to help. Cheers! TN‑X-Man 13:58, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The whole content of the article was: "Percy Phillips opened his Phillips Sound Recording Services in 1955 in a downstairs room of his three storey tenement at 38 Kensington Liverpool. The studio was in business until 1969." (written by User:AGBrint).

You need to demonstrate why this is notable and important. You may want to look at our guidelines on companies and corporations for what is and is not acceptable on wikipedia. Cheers! —— nix eagle 14:02, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. If anyone has a problem with my retrieving of the deleted article, feel free to bring it up on my talk page, however the article has only one author. —— nix eagle 14:02, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Edit conflict - Specifically it was deleted because someone tagged it with a speedy deletion template under rule A7, which essentially states an article has to claim notability. There is a good chance that while your subject may have been notable, it was not stated clearly in the article or no sources were provided to verify its notability. Users tag new pages that they find suspect and administrators review them, deleting the ones that fall in line with that reasoning. If you do not wish to start the page over from scratch you could request to the deleting admin that he would undo the deletion, and perhaps move it to your userspace where you can work on it until you feel it will be ready for publication, which you can then move it back into the article mainspace.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 14:04, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've already "restored" the content, it was put there by one edit by one author, I doubt just copy pasting what I put above is any violation of the gpl or copyright restrictions given the authorship is so simple. —— nix eagle 14:09, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see why it would be, makes more sense than really moving the page if you ask me, and the original history does technically exist still. As for my comment, the bulk of it was written before your reply and I'm too lazy to re-edit parts that are already addressed when an edit conflict presents =) --Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 14:22, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah :) and you are correct, technically all I have to do is credit the author(s) of the article, which I did above when I copied and pasted it. :P If he wishes to recreate it in a sandbox he is the author of the whole thing anyway. —— nix eagle 14:34, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(undent) Wikipedia's policies, guidelines, and procedures are complicated and difficult for newbs. (See the Editor's index for an overview of this complexity.) However, there probably isn't a way to make Wikipedia much simpler than it is, because the English Wikipedia alone has 48,313,642 registered users and 6,915,549 articles. (It's hard enough to get just five or ten people to all agree on something, let alone 48,313,642, so Wikipedia has worked out extremely detailed procedures to resolve the inevitable disputes; see Wikipedia:There is no common sense.) Wikipedia is one of the top ten most popular Web sites in English. I imagine that all the other top ten sites are just as complicated in their own ways, but most of the other popular sites are not editable by their users, so their underlying complexity isn't apparent. To anyone who thinks Wikipedia is too complicated, I suggest to try working at a company like Google for a while, and see what it takes to put your stamp on their site. People spend years learning how to edit on the world's top sites, and learning Wikipedia in depth is similarly difficult. But note, creating new articles from scratch, and getting them to "stick," is one of the harder tasks on Wikipedia. New users can have a gentler introduction to Wikipedia by first making small edits to existing articles. See WP:BACKLOG for some tasks that need doing. --Teratornis (talk) 14:50, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

search option

I was wondering how I, if possible, could add a search option for a page. More specifically, for the "Calspan Corporation" page the search turns up nothing if you search for just Calspan. The option of Calspan Corporation pops up underneath the search bar as it should but I was wondering if I could do this for people that would merely throw in "Calspan" real quick and press enter. Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Messier123 (talk • contribs) 14:03, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Are you talking about a redirect? Zain Ebrahim (talk) 14:06, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well aside from the fact that the article is very promotional, with statements like "Within each of the 5 divisions Calspan has state-of-the-art equipment so that the customer can be satisfied with reliable and accurate results" (no sourcing here at all), as well as claims to accomplishments without any sourcing. (these should have easy to find sources)... The answer to your question is to use a redirect. (follow the link for the instructions). —— nix eagle 14:08, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Many people prefer to search Wikipedia with an external search engine, for example Google:

Search Wikipedia with Google for: Calspan

And see WP:PEACOCK for our guideline against promotional language. --Teratornis (talk) 14:24, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Photos

If I've got some photos that I think are good, and that I'm prepared to release under the G-thingy licence, if I upload them am I allowed to nominate them to be Good Photos, or Featured Photos, or whatever it is? pushthebutton | go on... | push it! 14:25, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, of course. If you think your photos could be featured pictures then go ahead and see how well they fare. :-) -- Menti sock 14:31, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Quotations as Headers

(continued from yesterday) What is Wikipedia's policy on using quotations for section headers? Dabomb87 (talk) 15:27, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Uh, what do you mean? Can we have an example, because I'm not following, and its possible others are not either. —— nix eagle 16:24, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think the question refers to using quotations in section headers. For example, using "One small step for man" as a section header for the moon landing. I don't think it should be a problem for very well known quotes, like the moon landing, various presidential speeches, etc., but that's my opinion. There may be a Manual of Style guideline for this. Cheers! TN‑X-Man 16:28, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Manual of Style for sections WP:MOSHEAD doesn't really say one way or the other, actually. TN‑X-Man 16:32, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If it helps the article I'm talking about is Pat Nixon.Dabomb87 (talk) 14:41, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I assume you mean the "I never had it easy." IMO, it works fine. I can't think any other header, at least not one that is so succinct. Paragon12321 (talk) 14:57, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, thanks. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:01, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WHY

WHY CAN I NOT VIEW THIS PAGE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_Wikipedians_by_number_of_edits/20061130/ip IT ALWAYS GIVES ME AN ERROR AT ALL HOURS OF THE DAY WHY IS THIS HOW TO FIX? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mashpotatorman (talk • contribs) 15:07, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_Wikipedians_by_number_of_edits Try it now. Please don't shout on the Help Desk, thanks. PeterSymonds (talk) 15:11, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of edits/20061130/ip is 1,187 kilobytes long. This size causes problems in many situations. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:16, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm also unable to view it but I can see the source at http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:List_of_Wikipedians_by_number_of_edits/20061130/ip&action=edit. Maybe the rendering of the page hits a software limit. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:20, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I seem to recall being able to load pages that were well over 1.18 MB in size. That's not to say that there should ever be a page that size, just that there didn't used to be a hardcoded size limit. Perhaps the developers added one. During the period prior to the introduction of Scsbot (talk · contribs) when RefDeskBot (talk · contribs) was inoperable both the Help and Reference desks regularly pushed that limit, and while pages of that size were browser-breaking-ly large, I don't recall them ever refusing to load.--VectorPotential Talk 15:24, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I also meant something in the page might hit a limit, for example the size of a table (the whole page is a table). PrimeHunter (talk) 15:32, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is quite possible that there is some other factor here besides page length, my experiments (don't click (or mouse over with popups) unless you want to spend 5 minutes waiting for your browser to unfreeze!) have shown that a 1.85 MB page all wrapped in a wiki-table does not duplicate the same sort of blank page as with that list. Could be that it makes repetitive use of a (or perhaps several) templates which could be pushing the page over the transclusion limit.--VectorPotential Talk 15:51, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Although it doesn't appear as though that page uses any templates, so I'm at a loss to explain what's causing it.--VectorPotential Talk 16:18, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

THANK YOU. I DIDN'T REALISE THE PAGE WAS SO BIG I JUST THOUGHT I'D FOUND SOME SORT OF BIZARRE ERROR. EVERY TIME I TRIED IT I GET A WIKIPEDIA FOUNDATION ERROR MESSAGE, SO IT IS NOT A PROBLEM AT MY END BUT AT THE WIKIPEDIAS. MY BROWSER IS FIREFOX AND IT DOESN'T CRASH. THANK YOU FOR YOU HELP I HAVE FOUND WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR IN THE POST BY PrimeHunter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mashpotatorman (talk • contribs) 15:35, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop SHOUTING! Typing in caps is considered shouting, FYI. – ukexpat (talk) 15:40, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I AM SORRY BUT I AM UNABLE TO DECAPITALIZE MY TEXT BECAUSE I AM ON A VERY OLD COMPUTER. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CONVERT MY TEXT TO LOWERCASE, OR IF IT IS THAT MUCH OF A PROBLEM JUST SAY AND I WILL STOP POSTING UNTIL I AM AT ANOTHER COMPUTER. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mashpotatorman (talk • contribs) 15:42, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You couldn't just hold down shift while you type?--VectorPotential Talk 15:48, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

oh lol i've been such an idiot! thank you VectorPotential, it is a little difficult to type now but i will try and remember from now on. its only on this computer i am on right now that does this because i have the keyboard configured wrong. anyway, thank you and thak you to every who answered i have the info from that page i needed. thanks.

On Wikipedia you can use the magic word {{lc:}}, for example {{lc:THANK YOU}} produces "thank you". PrimeHunter (talk) 16:10, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

notability/references

I am newer to the wikipedia domain so I am still figuring out what is proper and what needs to be done for it to be kept on the site. At the moment I am having trouble pin pointing exactly what I need to add to the Calspan Corporation page. I know I need to reference, which I am currently working on, but are there specific parts that I need to reference or a type of material that I added that always needs to be referenced in a certain way? And one part of the message on top of the page says to be fine I need to add third party referencesw only but another part says second party ref. Which one is needed, or is it both? Thank you for any much needed help! Messier123 (talk) 16:24, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also I am not sure if the history section is in conflict because I have not added anything to that section and that section seemed to be fine before I started adding. Additionally, would it be recommended that I just throw a lot of this stuff in a sandbox so that I can have a bit of time to reference and such? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Messier123 (talk • contribs) 16:29, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Have a look at Wikipedia:Citing sources and Wikipedia:Footnotes for some information. − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 17:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

sandbox possible?

Hi, I'm somewhat new to the wikipedia editing and when I am editing I may not get everything I need to be on the page in the day I am working on it or anything. I am just making precautions so that the page does not get deleted because of missing content I am trying to find at the moment or figuring out. What can be done? Isn't something named a sandbox possible for this sort of thing? Messier123 (talk) 17:38, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here you go! Tan ǀ 39 17:41, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict)A sandbox is a great idea. I've created one for you (User:Messier123/Sandbox). Feel free to work on an article there. It's a good stress free way to get started and once you feel ready, you can move the article to the mainspace. Best of luck! TN‑X-Man 17:41, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, he has a choice now, depending on whether or not he prefers things capitalized ;-) Tan ǀ 39 17:43, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly my thoughts. He's hit the sandbox jackpot. :-) TN‑X-Man 17:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, thank you for the multiple sandboxes, just a quick question...when I sign out and sign back in tomorrow how would I get to the sandbox, will it be under something next to my login name? Thank you Messier123 (talk) 17:51, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the links will still be on this page. Tanthalas has left you a link your talk page as well. Finally, you can go to your user page and from there, add (/sandbox) in the address bar of your browser and that should take you there as well. Cheers! TN‑X-Man 17:54, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I jacked up the jackpot slightly by giving User:Messier123 a way to keep track of his/her sandboxes. See User:Messier123#Subpages. To Messier123: feel free to edit or remove that if you don't want it on your user page. --Teratornis (talk) 17:55, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Or, what I do a lot, is go to my contributions (link on upper right of page, by your watchlist, etc) and find it there (provided you have made edits to it). (edit conflict) Or what Teratornis did. Any more "help" and he'll be hopelessly confused! :-) Tan ǀ 39 17:57, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia has many ways to do many things, which does confuse new users, but after about ten years it can start making sense. To Messier123: the next time you log in, you will see your user name at the top of every page on Wikipedia. Your user name there is a link to your user page. If you click that link, you will see links to your sandbox pages that I added to your user page for you. Many users on Wikipedia add links to on their user pages to other pages they want to access quickly. As mentioned above, you can also see your contributions and watchlist to revisit pages you have edited or viewed. --Teratornis (talk) 18:05, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Revert Image

Image:Holes.jpg is supposed to be an image of the book cover to Holes (novel). The image page was changed 17:48, July 26, 2008 to be aThe Midway State album cover. I clicked on the revert link to get back the old image, but it doesn't appear to have worked. What did I do wrong? --Jms2000 (talk) 17:48, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How weird! The image page is right, but the article wrong. Purging the article didn't help; changing the image size in the article did. —teb728 t c 18:10, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sometimes you have to do a null edit, which is essentially what you did. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 18:37, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, a null didn’t work either; indeed this version is still wrong. The only difference in wikicode is the image size. —teb728 t c 19:07, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the help--Jms2000 (talk) 21:41, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cross-posted from WP:VPT#Article uses old version of image: Purging the image works. Algebraist 21:50, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No recipes in articles

I think there is a policy or guideline somewhere that more or less says that articles shouldn't contain recipes. I've searched but cannot find this. Do you know where it is? ike9898 (talk) 18:20, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe you are looking for WP:NOTGUIDE. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 18:22, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) I think an applicable guide would be WP:NOTHOWTO. It basically says WP is not a how-to guide. TN‑X-Man 18:23, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Different shortcuts, same page & section :) Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 18:48, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Create

How Do I Add A New Name To Wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.230.246 (talk) 21:01, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You will need to first register an account, which has many benefits, including the ability to create articles. Once you have registered, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. Algebraist 21:02, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Autoconfirm

I have a picture that i took for a page and i cannot upload nor do i know how to upload it.

Also another page i have been editing off and on (jeff gordon) all of a sudden has a lock on it. Any help here. i realize i am not an expert at editing on wikipedia yet, but i teach alot of physics chemistry and math and would like to make some contributions.

Kamaksi (talk) 21:43, 31 July 2008 (UTC)kamaksi[reply]

You need at least 10 edits to be autoconfirmed and upload images. You have 7 edits so just make 3 more. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:46, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You can also edit the recently semi-protected Jeff Gordon article when you become autoconfirmed. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:48, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, if you're interested you may want to join our Wikiprojects in in physics, chemistry and mathematics. Wikiprojects are a great way for new editors to learn the ropes and help collaborate with other editors on similar topics. Hope this helps, Gazimoff 21:55, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Taylor Forrester (From Bold and the beautiful)

1. Taylor had an affair with Stephen Logan. Taylor had an emotional affair with Hector Ramirez 2. Taylor and Ridge's marriage was broken up due to Taylor's affair with James Warrick during the time she and Ridge was married. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.7.158.30 (talk) 22:24, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a question about using Wikipedia? Astronaut (talk) 23:51, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Linking accounts on Wikipedia

I tried to link my account on the en.wikipedia.org site with one on the fr.wikipedia.org site, but I forgot that I hadn't created an account on the French site yet, and there's an error on my preferences page saying the following information:

In migration Your account is active on 1 project site. Unconfirmed accounts with your name remain on 1 project.

I really only use the en.wikipedia.org site. Can you help me with this?Vrousseau 23:33, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

slanderous information

how do I get slanderous information out of the section on my personal bio —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chopperpilot (talk • contribs) 23:37, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Which article are you talking about? Xenon 54 23:44, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Due to a possible conflict of interest, you are discouraged from editing an article about yourself except to remove patently incorrect factual information. Just be prepared to explain the reasons for your edit on the article's talk page.

Of course, if you are not a notable person suitable for a Wikipedia article, then there shouldn't be an article (personal bio) about you in the first place.

Astronaut (talk) 23:49, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Warning Message?

Hey there,

I was using Huggle, when I suddenly found that I could no longer rollback any of the vandalism. I clicked the button , it greyed out, and then, nothing happened. When I tried to revert the vandalism manually, using Firefox, I got this message:

There seems to be a problem with your login session;

this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking.

Please hit "back" and reload the page you came from, then try again.

Help?

Perfect Proposal ^{Speak Out!} 23:59, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's already a discussion of the same problem at WP:VPT#"Unable to proceed". Algebraist 00:03, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A past discussion: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive18#Problem with rollback?. The upshot there was that while it's annoying, doing as the error message suggests (hitting "back" and reloading the page) was effective, at least for those users.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:08, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've tried that multiple times. Rollback isn't working. It seems to be affecting other users, see below, and link above. Perfect Proposal ^{Speak Out!} 00:10, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, no matter what I try nothing seems to be working - C L — 00:11, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Seeing that this is obviously a technical issue, I think we should be discussing this over at the village pump (here). Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 00:13, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

August 1

A-Class review setup assistance

This makes no sense to me that noone knows how to help set up an A-class review. I have asked at Wikipedia_talk:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team#A-Class_review and the poorly named section Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2008_July_22#Can_someone_help_set_up. I am asking again here can someone help set up {{ChicagoWikiProject}} so that Wikipedia:WikiProject Chicago/A-Class review instructions can operate like like Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Review/A-Class review instructions?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 00:43, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What is missing, you seem to have the instructions down, you are missing the project template of course, but that is a simple matter of including the template at the top of the page. I don't understand what you want here, you have instructions on your page. I don't think your question is clear.

Do you need template help? (making the project templates behave right for A-class reviews?

Yes.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 18:34, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do you need help setting the instructions up?

Maybe. Is there a way to set up separate discusion pages?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 18:34, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do you need help with the details of how to review A class articles?

No.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 18:34, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Some advice though, if you like how military history does it, pop a detailed query onto their project talk page, I'm sure someone there would be glad to assist another wikiproject, and from old memory that project is very active, so help from them should come fast. —— nix eagle 12:44, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My Wikipedia page is left justified how do i change it?

how do i change the Wikipedia page to be in the middle like a normal internet page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.85.163.59 (talk) 02:02, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what you mean. Wikipedia and most other websites usually have left-justified text. Is it about the screen placement of the window you watch Wikipedia in? If so then you may be able to "drag" the window with the mouse at the top or right edge of the window, but it depends on your software. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:16, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Superscript

Is there a way to do "th" as in "1/5th" so that the "th" shows up in superscript? Without using superscipt, that is, a character code or HMTL or something. Does that make any sense at all? Maury (talk) 02:47, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I understand what you're saying. Many word processors will automatically change the "th" into a superscript. August 5th would be August 5^th for example. I'm not sure the MediaWiki software does it automatically. You may have to use <sup> tags. Others may know more though. I hope this helps! TN‑X-Man 03:01, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You must use the <sup> superscript tag. A shortcut to do so is on the toolbar, the

button, which produces <sup></sup>. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 03:09, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note that Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Typography says:

The ordinal suffix (e.g., th) is not superscripted (23rd and 496th, not 23^rd and 496^th).

PrimeHunter (talk) 03:13, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Experienced user can't figure out why his text has vanished

Hello - I had a snarky lolcat on my user page, and I decided, for layout reasons, to move it into my userboxen box (see this edit). When I did so, however, the non-wikilinked text in the caption turned white, and I can't figure out why this is or how to fix it. Because I'm an idiot with wikimarkup. Can somebody help? Sarcasticidealist (talk) 07:03, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is because in the template {{Userboxtop}}, you defined the textcolor = parameter with #ffffff (white). I have fixed it by surrounding the text in <font></font> tags and defining the color of the words as black (see [8]). Hope that it was you wanted! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) @ 07:13, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question on a blacklisted domain

While conducting a search for our school Gonzaga University, we noticed that our online website http://www.gonzaga online.com had been blacklisted for being a spammer. Not sure why this is. How can we get this removed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.210.143.158 (talk) 13:57, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Give me a moment to respond, others out there, please wait a few moments. I'm doing some lookups to find out why this is the case, and I'll be back with you :) —— nix eagle 14:04, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I finally found out why this was added. Someone was apparently spamming user pages, and thus this link was added to the english wikipedia blacklist. You can find out full details at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam/2008_Archive_Mar_2#User_page_spammer. If you want to talk to the person that did the addition of the link, talk to User talk:Hu12. —— nix eagle 14:14, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think he means Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam/2008_Archive_May_1#User_page_spammer2. And apparently Hu12 has been on WikiBreak since July 1. —teb728 t c 21:11, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blacklisted domain name

Hello, for some reason our website ogpaper.com has been blacklisted. Please, advise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.8.24.140 (talk) 15:24, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(quick note, not an answer) That website is primarily an online gambling site peppered with a little news about casinos and the like. Mjpresson (talk) 15:43, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(response) Of course it's a gambling website, the name of the website says it. I didn't think this is of any importance at all. Also, the website is primarily for gambling news, peppered with ads (just like any website).

What is your question? − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 16:46, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why is our website blacklisted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.8.24.140 (talk) 16:46, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean by blacklisted? I don't see a problem with http://ogpaper.com. Are you unable to save the link here on the English Wikipedia? If the problem is just that you must answer a CAPTCHA then that is normal for unregistered users adding external links. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:50, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It said: "The following link has triggered our spam protection filter: ogpaper.com" with the "http://www." included (just tried to type in the full domain and it gave me the same response). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.8.24.140 (talk) 16:55, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

\.ogpaper\.com is on the blacklist at meta. Algebraist 17:03, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So the answer to your question of why your site is blacklisted is that a link to it would serve no encyclopedic purpose. Unlike your site Wikipedia does not contain links for advertising. —teb728 t c 18:51, 1 August 2008 (UTC) More specifically, the request that added your site to the blacklist is here. —teb728 t c 19:02, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

TEB728 - I was not aware that Wiki blacklists automatically websites which you think have no encyclopedic purpose. We have broken quite a few stories and I was actually going to edit the entry "Bodog" to add the response of the CEO to the latest money bust. But I am not going to argue with you, since you are clearly biased towards gambling websites or something.

A question to the rest of the Users: I know we have not added the entries we've got blacklisted for. What can I do to remove the ban? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.8.24.140 (talk) 20:41, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Wiki blacklists automatically websites": no, editors report spam, the issue is investigated and the site added to the blacklist. The site was blacklisted in November 2007, see Spam_blacklist/LogPre2008 You can see the request was here. You can request removal from the blacklist at MediaWiki_talk:Spam-blacklist#Proposed_removals. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 20:54, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For reference, MediaWiki_talk:Spam-blacklist#Proposed_removals referred the anon to meta:Talk:Spam_blacklist#Proposed_removals —teb728 t c 22:47, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot for the help. One of the senior editors should explain this to teb728, according to him/her "the answer to your question of why your site is blacklisted is that a link to it would serve no encyclopedic purpose". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.8.24.140 (talk) 22:10, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I suspect the Bodog response you refer to is /news/news-02290.html on your site. This is essentially a press release issued by one of your advertisers. Even if your site were not blacklisted, a link to this page would be deleted as WP:SPAM. —teb728 t c 07:47, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually this is what I was trying to post (I doubt that editor who specializes in Gambling would have deleted it):

[i]On July 31st, 2008, court filings in Maryland say that in January and February a total of $14.2 million was seized from accounts in the name of JBL Services and Transaction Solutions at Wachovia, Regions Bank, Bank of America and Sun Trust Bank. In July, filings say, another $9.9 million was found in eight accounts at Nevada State Bank, a unit of Zion Bancorporation (nasdaq: ZION - news - people ), in the name of Zaftig Instantly Processed Payments, doing business as ZipPayments.com. The companies are described as helping to facilitate parts of the Bodog operation.^[1] The CEO of Morris Mohawk Gaming Group Alwyn Morris later said in a statement that second case refers to a payment processor known as Zippayments.com and seizure of funds from this processor’s bank accounts in Nevada. The article falsely implies – but notably does not go so far as to state - that $9.9M seized from Zippayment’s Nevada bank accounts were funds on account for “Bodog”. ^[2][/i]

I personally believe that someone interested in Bodog would like to know all this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.8.24.140 (talk) 13:00, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

logs are missing?

Why are there no logs for the "Optic" page? The first step to find out why a page has changed is to check the log, right? but when I request them, it says no logs found. why not? Tericl2 (talk) 15:45, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is one log entry (the page was moved by a vandal), but you probably want the page history. Algebraist 15:48, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Well, there's logs for a page that indicate if the page has previously been deleted, moved, or protected. There's also a history that shows all the edits that have been made to a page. To which one were you referring? TN‑X-Man 15:50, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Optic redirects to Optics. You can get to the page history [9] of Optic by first clicking Optic, then clicking "Redirected from Optic" at the top, and finally clicking "history". This shows the page has been edited by a user name very similar to yours. Page deleton leaves a log entry, but turning a page into a redirect does not. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:36, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See m:Help:Contents#For readers and read the pages under the "Tracking changes" heading. --Teratornis (talk) 16:49, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nederlands And Spanish wikipedia embassy

Please dont laugh at me :) but is there like a Nederlands And Spanish wikipedia embassy, or some thing like that? because i usurped here but i cant unify my account to those wikipedias. Thank-you. HereFord 17:21, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you speak Spanish and Dutch fluently, you might wanna try contacting es:Wikipedia:Café/Portal/Archivo/Ayuda/Actual and nl:Help:Helpdesk - Anxietycello (talk) 17:28, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You may also want to check out our Local Embassy. Paragon12321 (talk) 18:45, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Definition list formatting issue

I am trying to do some cleanup for WP:WikiProject New Jersey and am getting frustrated by the indentations on Wikipedia:WikiProject_New_Jersey/templates. The definition lists using the semi-colon seem to be continually indenting and a newline is not reverting the indent back, causing the bottom of the page to only display on the right hand third or so. Am I missing something? Jim Miller (talk) 17:56, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Consider using {{tlrow}}, a template designed to list templates. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 18:02, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Gadget. That works great! Jim Miller (talk) 18:31, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Update entry for National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP)

The current entry at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Assessment_of_Educational_Progress was drawn from a web page, but it is now out of date. Please update it from the same page, http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/about/ and also cite that page as the reference that you say is missing. Please also update the 'External links' for NAEP Data Explorer--the better URL is http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/naepdata/. I am a contractor on the NAEP website; please contact me if further info is needed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nballator (talk • contribs) 18:11, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Audio file question

To be able to test my new microphone, I plugged it into my father's computer instead of my own (to see if the microphone itself is at fault, not my soundcard or its drivers). I opened up Microsoft Sound Recorder (yes, my father uses Windows Vista) and recorded myself saying "Haloo!" in Finnish. Unfortunately, my father doesn't have speakers, so I was unable to play the sound back. I emailed it to myself and played it back on my own Fedora 9 system. I heard nothing whatsoever. But I am still unsure whether this is because the file itself does not contain any sound, or because Fedora 9 can not play WMA files. Is it possible to upload the file to Wikipedia so you others can test it for me? JIP | Talk 21:21, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To answer your first question: yeah, only Windows can play WMA audio, and you can't record using Sound Recorder in any other format :( 2.)Special:Upload doesn't say you can upload .wma files, so I suppose you can't. Tip: If you play the file on your father's computer using Windows Media Player, you can usually tell if it's empty or not by using one of the "visualizations" (right-clicking on the display where video would be playing if it were a video). Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 22:15, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Inquiry from the City of Philadelphia Mural Arts Program

To Whom it May Concern:

A fan of our program recently brought to our attention that the information about us posted on Wikipedia under the categories Mural Arts Program, Jane Golden, and Philadelphia Anti-Graffiti Network is both inaccurate and out-of-date.

Today, I attempted to update those listings on behalf of the organization; however, my efforts were not successful. I am writing both to let you know that I was (and am) acting as an official representative of the City of Philadelphia Mural Arts Program, and to ask how this can be resolved.

Kindly let me know. Thank you.

Sincerely,

Amy R. Johnston Public Engagement Coordinator

City of Philadelphia Mural Arts Program Lincoln Financial Mural Arts Center at the Thomas Eakins House commented out address, phone numbers, and email address

 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amy.johnston (talk • contribs) 21:29, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted two of the aforementioned contributions, because they were, as explained in my edit summaries, cut and pasted directly from web sites and printed materials. Copyright issues aside, the text was of press release quality and not suitable for encyclopedic content. However, there was clearly information relevant to the subjects, and one hopes that another effort will be made to add content in an acceptable form. JNW (talk) 21:41, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It should also be noted that institutions are generally discouraged from writing about themselves for this very reason; see WP:COI. It might help if the information can be verified by outside reliable sources, too. Although, parenthetically, you and your institution surely constitute a reliable source. JNW (talk) 21:45, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(double e/c!)We apreciate all constructive contributions to Wikipedia, and hope that you will contribute the information that you have. However, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted material.

Wikipedia strives to have all articles project a neutral point of view. Sometimes people/organizations editing articles about themselves/their organizations can run into conflicts of interest, as JNW mentioned. To best be sure that your contributions can benefit the article, but without running into such problems, it would be a good idea to discuss changes you'd like to make to the article on that article's talk page, which you can get to by clicking on the "Discussion" tab at the top of any of the articles' pages. I hope we are starting to be of help to you; please feel free to respond with any more questions you might have. -- Natalya 21:49, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How do I ask a Flickr user to release photos from copyright?

For use in nurdle, I quite like the look of these two photos:

...but they're copyrighted on Flickr. I don't have a Flickr account, and I don't know how to contact users to ask them to release photos. Can anyone help? Anxietycello (talk) 17:08, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You would have to contact the owner of the picture in flickr to change the permission of them to Attribution Creative Commons or Attribution-ShareAlike Creative Commons. Sunderland06 (talk) 22:35, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the actual process you might use is listed at WP:Permissions. The gentleman in question evidently is also the blogger, here. You might leave a comment for him at his blog asking him to contact you. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 22:41, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Backlink on user subpages

Hi everyone. I'm using a transcluded menu in my user space, and I am wondering if there is any way to suppress the the "< User:SJL" backlink that appears in the top left corner of my subpages. It shifts my menu down the page, and isn't necessary on pages that have the menu. Thanks for your help! – SJL 23:37, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Add the following to Special:Mypage/monobook.css (assuming you use the default monobook skin)

#contentSub {
display: none
}

Note that it'll always suppress the backlink. And if it shifts everything too far up, just ask me and I might be able to fix it. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 01:33, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, this:

span.subpages {
display: none;
}
 
#contentSub {
margin-bottom: 5px;
}

works better. If you only want the backlink suppressed on your subpages, I'll have to figure out how to write a JavaScript script to do that... Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 02:19, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your help. I tried both, and only the first worked for me. If you do decide to write a script that limits it to just the user's own pages, please let me know. Also, any ideas on how to do something like this so that other people who view my pages will get the same formatting? – SJL 02:40, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's not possible, as well-written CSS and JavaScript can be used to hijack people's computers (plant malware, etc.); compromise accounts, all sort of bad stuff. That's why CSS stylesheets only work if they are in Mediawiki:Common.css or Mediawiki:monobook.css(for monobook-only), etc. or your own /monobook.css. Seeing that the backlink is there for a reason, I don't think they'd let you put the code into the site-wide stylesheet, so you're stuck with it only working for you :( (PS - I'm working on a script that only works in your userpage + subpages) Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 02:56, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your response. I had been hoping that there was a particular code that I could add to individual pages where I did not want the link, but I guess that doesn't exist. Let me know how the script works out. – SJL 16:45, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Missing article

A week ago I created an article (to the best of my understanding of the instructions)on the British actor Robin Hunter - son of the well-known film actor Ian Hunter, himself active in films, TV and theatre. The style of it was based on comparable articles on similar subjects. All I know how to do, to put the article online, is to Save the Page. It has not gone on the web, nor can I find any answer to an earlier question about it. Am I missing - or misunderstanding - something?

Many thanks - Roger Sansom —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.16.224.196 (talk) 23:59, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Roger. If I understand you correctly, you're having trouble finding the article you created. When I typed Robin Hunter into the search box, though, it came up without any trouble. If you click on the name, it will take you to the page. Does that answer your question? – SJL 00:19, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe last time you tried to search for it, you may have made a typo? Well, either way, the article is still here as stated above. Just click Robin Hunter. Thanks, RyRy (talk) 01:52, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the above responses. Yes, I can find what I wrote, on Wikipedia (someone has already edited it further, which is fine). What I don't understand - it may be that I have not grasped the basics - is how this relates to the article, hopefully, appearing publicly on the net? Can someone please clarify. Thanks. Roger —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.16.224.196 (talk) 13:52, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles and changes appear on the net as soon as they are saved. This article is accessible to the world at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Hunter. If your problem is that Google or another search engine does not find the article, then it is just because their web crawlers haven't indexed it yet. Google will probably do it within a couple of weeks. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:06, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

August 2

userfy a deleted article

Can I have an admin userfy Ian Hickson for me please, with history? I would like to make improvements to this page. thanks riffic (talk) 01:20, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done at User:Riffic/Ian Hickson. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 01:29, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

thanks. I see it needs a bit of work, I'll see what I can do. riffic (talk) 01:35, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your efforts are appreciated. Best of luck, PeterSymonds (talk) 01:50, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Special page

Is there, by any chance, a special page (or feature, etc.) that would allow one to find pages that are available in a certain group of languages? For instance, if I were looking for an article written in German, spanish, French, and Welsh? I wouldn't expect there to be, but I'd find it quite helpful if there was. Thanks, —Mizu onna sango15^Hello! 03:24, 2 August 2008 (UTC).[reply]

A special page on, say, the English Wikipedia wouldn't actually know what articles exist on other language Wikipedias. On the English Wikipedia itself, I'm pretty sure one would only be able to search for interlanguage links. Since editors have to manually add such links to articles, there is no guarantee of a one-to-one correspondence between interlanguage links and articles on other language Wikipedias. (There could be articles out there, but no links yet from the English Wikipedia; or there could be broken links on the English Wikipedia, unless someone or something is checking for interlanguage link rot.) You might be able to search for interlanguage links by using one of the methods under WP:EIW#Query. Also see WP:EIW#Translate. If you would tell us why you want to do this type of search, someone might know another way to reach your underlying goal. --Teratornis (talk) 05:01, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the help, I didn't think there was. I'm mainly just trying to find out what Wikipedia articles are available in at least all of the following: Spanish, German, Korean, Italian, English, Japanese, Chinese, and French. It's mainly for curiosity's sake (I was experimenting with something a few days ago), so it's nothing important, but I was wondering if there was a way to determine this. Thanks, —Mizu onna sango15^Hello! 06:33, 2 August 2008 (UTC).[reply]

You might find something vaguely related at simple:Wikipedia:List of articles all languages should have. Also see Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Core topics. --Teratornis (talk) 16:28, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks. —Mizu onna sango15^Hello! 22:16, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How to Merge a New Talk Page with an Old Talk Page

Hi. How do you merge a new article talk page with an old article talk page which has a different title? For example, I want to merge Talk:Indo-Canadians with the old Talk:Canadians of Indian descent. Sonic99 (talk) 04:22, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've never actually done this, but see the instructions in Help:Merging and moving pages. --Teratornis (talk) 04:54, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with two talk pages originates from a cut-and-paste move in March 2007.[10][11] I have posted a request to fix it at Wikipedia:Cut and paste move repair holding pen. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:28, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've merged histories of the two articles. The talk page histories can't be merged though, because there wasn't a cut&page move in the past, and there have been new changes to Talk:Indo-Canadians. I moved the old talk to an archive of the new talk page, so it's currently at Talk:Indo-Canadians/Archive 1. I hope this helps. --PeaceNT (talk) 14:00, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. That looks like a reasonable solution. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:39, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Posts

I have recently made posts at Talk:Billi Bruno and Talk:Little Manhattan (film) that I would like someone to see (the more important probably being the Billi Bruno post). Is there a way to bring this to someone's attention? Hallpriest9 (Talk) 05:06, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You should comment on the talk pages of the corresponding WikiProjects. In this case, it would be Wikipedia:WikiProject Television or Wikipedia:WikiProject Films.--T B C ♣§♠ (aka Tree Biting Conspiracy) 05:50, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is Sexual Assault Complainant Name Unpublished Personal Information?

Is the name of a sexual assault complainant, who hasn't given permission for their name to be published, considered "unpublished personal information" in the sense used on the page about requesting oversight? It seems pretty similar to linking a name and a pseudonym, an example of "unpublished personal information" given on that page.
Thank you, Drama Lady (talk) 06:02, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That looks very appropriate for oversight. I will email them. Someguy1221 (talk) 06:37, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! The history page has been cleaned up -- and edits made to the article which make it harder to put in the complainant's name. Drama Lady (talk) 04:43, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ariel washing powder

dear sir or madam ive just brought ariel washing powder but i do not have a scoop to measure it out. one time you got it in the box i do hope you can help me please my daughter said when she get her place will there be measure back in the box then mrs r oliver <removed> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.64.212.140 (talk) 06:05, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6.9 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Someguy1221 (talk) 06:30, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

misplaced

how do i suggest the correct location of a marker? the marker in question is in merrion square in dublin & the subject is "botanic gardens" which is on the north side of dublin, maybe 5 kilometres away. thanks. Patrick2808 (talk) 06:38, 2 August 2008 (UTC).[reply]

I guess the subject is Irish National Botanic Gardens which contains no coordinates. In which work is the marker you refer to? In case you don't know what this help desk is for, here is a standard message:

Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over two million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the online free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the left hand side of your screen. If that is not fruitful, we have a reference desk, divided into various subjects areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:56, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Clearing of block log

I've been blocked a bunch of times when I was an experienced user, for breaking the three revert rule by reverting POV at the Egyptians, Middle East, and Negroid page. Now the users I was edit warring with have turned out to be tag-teaming sock puppets, so I was thinking that my blocks there might not have been justified, in hindsight. Could they maybe be removed from the log?

The users I edit warred with were User: Zerida and several of his sock puppets, and User: Muntuwandi. FunkMonk (talk) 12:16, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Block logs cannot be removed. In some cases a blocking admin will make a comment in the block log explaining that a former block was not justified. I have not examined the reverts but it doesn't sound like anything at Wikipedia:Three-revert rule#Exceptions permits your reverts. If the edits were by a banned user and you knew that then reverting multiple times would be OK, but not in the situation you describe. See Wikipedia:Dispute resolution and Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets for other options. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:37, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just to clarify, I meant other options next time you are in a dispute, not options to deal with your old block log. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:40, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, can't I get something else instead? Like a personal thumbs up from Jimbo Wales or similar? The reason why I violated the three revert rule so many times in my early days was (other than that I thought the previous edit was POV, of course) that I thought reverting simply meant pushing the undo button (English is not my first language). I have since discovered that it isn't the case, and haven't been banned for it since and probably won't in the future. FunkMonk (talk) 12:44, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Without commenting on the specifics of your case, a block for edit warring with editors who do not appear to be sockpuppets at the time is quite legitimate. Even Jimbo has a block log - you should just be prepared to explain it if there is ever a need to, and try and keep it clean henceforth. If you do nothing blockable it is unlikely to be looked at again. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 12:48, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thanks for the answers. It was worth a try! FunkMonk (talk) 12:50, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose the ultimate "thumbs up" would be applying and succeeding at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship, but some applicants leave there with bruises instead. I don't know your editing record but many editors with old blocks have passed - usually not because the blocks were wrong but because they have showed they know better now. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:47, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(undent) Why do you care if your user log shows some blocks? I.e., what specifically are you trying to do on Wikipedia, for which having been blocked in the past puts you at a disadvantage? --Teratornis (talk) 16:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Expression error

Resolved

On my screen, the articles on Palazzo Madama and Quirinal Palace show a ton of "Expression error: Unrecognised punctuation character "�"" in red font and spread all over the page, instead of co-ordinates. (Am using Microsoft Internet Explorer, no chance to change set-up at this computer, because it isn't mine). Any ideas what this is and how it can be mended? ---Sluzzelin talk 13:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, Mentisock fixed it. Thanks! ---Sluzzelin talk 13:28, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

about searching

HOW COULD WE SEARCH FOR A PERSON,LIVING IN AMERICA FROM INDORE,M.P.(INDIA)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.168.217.228 (talk) 14:13, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Indore shows a few notable people from Indore, Madhya Pradesh, but I haven't examined whether any of them live in America. Is this about searching in Wikipedia? If not: Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:29, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notable citizens of Indore shows more people. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:31, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Problems with Images uploaded to commons.wikipedia by other users than the original poster

Another user re-uploaded an image which I had originally uploaded to en.wikipedia to commons.wikipedia causing my original upload to be nominated for deletion. After I confronted the other user with his action and asked him to delete his re-uploading of my photo to commons.wikipedia, the user refused to do so stating that it is within his rights to do it due to the GNU licensing which I have attached to my photo. Although the other user is formally correct, his action still does delete my original upload and consequently it will also delete the photo in the wikipedia pages in which it occurs (the other user also did not re-link the photo in these pages). It seems to me that re-uploading other people's images to commons.wikipedia without prior notice to the original poster nor giving the original poster a chance to move images to commons.wikipedia themselves, goes against common courtesy. Concerning this matter I have searched wikipedia for any guidelines but have not found any. Takeaway 15.16, August 2, 2008 (UTC)

When the WP software loads an image, it looks locally, then in Commons. So— if the local copy is deleted, it will automatically pull it from commons. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 15:50, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for clarifying the way WP locates images. That's at least one concern less for me. I still think it's bad manners the way the other user went about the whole thing.Takeaway 16.16, August 2, 2008 (UTC)

See User talk:Anan for the detail. This user may not understand what is "free" under wikipedia rules.--Anan (talk) 16:23, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

this user (me) understand about "free" under wikipedia rules, unfortunately the other user does not understand what "common courtesy" means. Takeaway 16.28, August 2, 2008 (UTC)

On Wikipedia, there is no common sense, so there is probably no common courtesy, either. We do have WP:CIVIL and WP:CONSENSUS, but we also have WP:BOLD which essentially goes against asking for permission before doing stuff. (On Wikipedia, we have guidelines which can seem to be both for and against a bunch of things, reminding us of Albert Bartlett's quip about experts and their disagreements: for every Ph.D., there is an equal and opposite Ph.D.) Obviously, the less a person understands about Wikipedia, the less courteous their boldness may tend to be. One must cultivate plenty of sangfroid to survive on Wikipedia, where we do find plenty of users who make up in boldness what they lack in knowledge of Wikipedia's rules. --Teratornis (talk) 16:51, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's a pity that the user who boldly re-uploaded that one photo to commons.wikipedia didn't re-upload more of my photos. It would have saved me a lot of work. ;) Takeaway 18.00, August 2, 2008 (UTC)

In the first place, the Commons image has been deleted at Anan’s request; so the immediate problem is solved.

But I do not understand your objection. Was the copy Anan upload a modified version of your image? If he did modify it, you could have requested that your version be retained on Wikipedia: Duplicate Images with more than one creator are not deleted if the differences of the versions are significant. If he did not modify it, I do not see what the problem was. Perhaps you think it would require relinking the image, but that is not correct. If your copy had been deleted, Wikipedia would have seamlessly linked to the Commons copy: no one would have noticed the difference. Or perhaps you wanted your name on the Commons copy?

Inasmuch as you have licensed the image under free license, why didn’t you (and why don’t you) upload it to Commons yourself? —teb728 t c 03:29, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am a fairly new contributor to wikipedia and when I saw that one of the pictures which I had uploaded was suddenly up for deletion due to someone else re-uploading it (unmodified) to commons.wikipedia for no apparent reason, I became alarmed thinking that I needed to re-link etcetera (which I know now not to be the case). I therefore requested the other person to remove the re-uploaded photo. Unfortunately, the other person immediately took offence to my request and treated my request in a highly sarcastic way stating that they were allowed to do what they pleased with the image due to the licensing I had attached to it and that I couldn't do anything about it. If only the other person had understood my alarm of having a picture deleted instead of becoming sarcastic and fencing with rules and regulations, this whole entry in the Help Desk wouldn't have been necessary. I would also have gladly moved all my pictures (and not just the one) myself to Commons had that other person requested it of me and had told me of the benefits to the WP community.

I am glad to see that the "Upload File" page has been modified since my last upload to expound the benefits of uploading files to Commons instead of to en.wikipedia. Takeaway 10.25, August 3, 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry. I was wrong to everything so please do not stalking me.--Anan (talk) 10:53, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia Access from China

In mid-September, I will return to China to teach English at a university in Nanjing. For the past two years I have not been able to access Wikipedia from China because of the Chinese's censorship of the Internet. However, I understand there is a way of using a "proxy server" to get around/through the Chinese blocking. Can someone tell me how to use a proxy server to gain access to Wikipedia while in China? Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.162.151.156 (talk) 15:36, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See Blocking of Wikipedia in mainland China. Proxies will let you see Wikipedia, but you won't be able to edit by your IP. Whether you can go on as a registered name or not will depend on which proxy you use. Googling "proxy" seems to come up with decent results. Paragon12321 (talk) 15:45, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Curiously I block more open proxies from China than most other places. Wikipedia:Advice to users using Tor to bypass the Great Firewall contains all the links to the options available. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 15:46, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There was news that Wikipedia is not blocked in China at the moment (except for a few articles). It may just be during the Olympics though. Louis Waweru Talk 00:37, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blacklisted..

I have been unfairly blacklisted... please reveiw my comments on the effexor page.. i have made logical and reasonable comments. I am a responsible citizen and i am respected in not only my area of work, but also by professionals in counselling family who have lost people to suicide. whoever blacklisted me is a control freak not a responsible editor at wikipedia. this person needs to be reprimanded for this act of vandalism and arbitrary censorship. very disappointing . if you want to keep wiki a place of open information and democratic exchange of ideas, you need to stop this kind of personal attack.. i stand my my arguments and my behaviour ... it is well documengted on the effexor talk page... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Szimonsays (talk • contribs) 17:18, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

After reviewing the edit history and extremely lengthy discussions on the talk page I think I have a good idea of what is going on here. The information that you provided regarding the internet petition is repeatedly removed because it does not conform with the Wikipedia Policy regarding reliable sources. Scottydude _talk 17:52, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, please know that Wikipedia is not a democracy. It is a compiled encyclopedia with established policies and guidelines. Mjpresson (talk) 18:24, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For some insight into Wikipedia's organizational principles, see A Group Is Its Own Worst Enemy by Clay Shirkey. Everyone approaches Wikipedia with at least a few preconceived ideas about how it should work, but Wikipedia is very different than anything most people have experienced before. Thus a smart way to approach Wikipedia is to empty one's mind of preconceptions, to the extent possible, and read the friendly manuals to see how Wikipedia actually works. A good place to start is Help:Contents. After you understand all that stuff, move on to the Editor's index. --Teratornis (talk) 19:53, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Counting Articles

Is there any way by which I can count the total number of articles that I have visited now- Possibly with their headings, date, time etc. ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jitagna (talk • contribs) 17:30, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There isn't anything on Wikipedia that does that, although Special:Mycontributions lists all the edits you have made and which page/what time&date you did those edits. You could, however, look through your browser's browsing history and look for Wikipedia articles in there. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 17:36, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lorcaserin

Article: Lorcaserin

There is an editorial bias against Lorcaserin, and a general misrepresentation of the facts.

The article begins:

According to their published statements, Arena "believes" that lorcaserin is a selective hypothalamus 5-HT2C receptor agonist, and they "believe" that activation of this receptor promotes weight loss through appetite suppression. However, the science remains imprecise.

The use of the quotational "believes" indicates a lack of evidence. There is a great deal of evidence for the receptor selectivity. The proposed mode of action is well documented and well accepted in peer-reviewed literature. Further, as the article later acknowledges, weight-loss is demonstrated. This acknowledgment of the facts is followed by the statement: "Arena admits that upon discontinuation of lorcaserin treatment, all lost weight is regained." This is phrased in a way as to make the obvious, seem to be a cleverly exposed secret. Non-permanent changes are almost always non-permanent.

The article continues:

"Arena is taking care to demonstrate -- and announce to investors and consumers -- that lorcaserin does not cause heart valve damage as fenfluramine, a presumed 5-HT2B agonist, did. Arena stated that the Phase 2 clinical trials show that Lorcaserin "has no effect on heart valve regurgitation at 12 weeks", and yet their data shows possible adverse effects on the aortic valve:"

There is no doubting the fact that fenfluoramine caused a nearly 30% incidence of valvulopathies. The data shown does not support the conclusion that there is an increase in aortic valve issues. As a matter of fact, the chosen dosage for Lorcaserin, 10 mg, shows a reduction in this data set extraction. It would be dangerous to draw conclusions of safety from dosages beyond the recommended. Adverse effects from overdoses are common.

The final paragraph addresses the complete safety clearance for Lorcaserin by stating the data "did not meet the trial-stopping criteria developed by an independent Echocardiographic Data Safety Monitoring Board (EDSMB), and so the trial continues."

The paragraph continues:

"Although BLOSSOM participants will receive 18- and 24-month follow-up echocardiograms, these results will not be reviewed by an EDSMB. Two other Phase 3 trials ("BLOSSOM", and "BLOOM-DM") provide echocardiograms but they will not be reviewed by an EDSMB. BLOOM participants were pre-screened to exclude valvulopathy, but BLOSSOM and BLOOM-DM participants were not."

I find the persistent dwelling on the fact that the data no longer needs an external review, to be offensive. These studies approved and the data will be submitted to the FDA as part of a drug application. These well designed studies will thoroughly measure the heart effects of Lorcaserin, and the analysis of the data will be comprehensive and objective. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.208.216.169 (talk) 18:33, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This should be discussed on the article's Talk page. Corvus cornix_talk 20:06, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Several items:

On the Help desk, we don't normally edit other people's questions, but I added some blockquote tags to the paragraphs you quoted, so the question will format according to your likely intent. I also added a section heading to the question, and I changed Lorcaserin from an external link to a wikilink.
On Wikipedia, we try to avoid writing things such as "I find the ... to be offensive." See: WP:CIVIL and WP:AGF. The proper frame of mind for editing on Wikipedia is sangfroid. In our writing, we try to focus on the objective facts (although we may shout and curse at our computers now and then); writing about our emotional states rarely gets us to consensus any sooner. The harsh reality is that distant strangers tend to ascribe lower importance to our emotions than we do.
See WP:COI if you are personally connected in any way with the subject of the article. And see WP:BFAQ for general information about articles relating to business.
See WP:EIW#Dispute for comprehensive instructions on how to handle content disputes on Wikipedia.
- The first step would probably be for you to raise your objections on Talk:Lorcaserin. See Help:Talk page and WP:DISCUSSION for instructions. When you make any ~~sort of factual~~ potentially controversial claim, provide reliable sources.
You may wish to create an account if you want to participate in a content dispute. Other participants may relate somewhat better to a person who writes from a consistent username. (Unregistered users may get something of a bad rap on Wikipedia because the vast majority of vandals do not create accounts. So to maximize your chances of being taken seriously, you could create an account. I'm not saying that's how things should work, but that's how it seems a lot of people's emotional brains keep score.)
In general, in disputes on Wikipedia, the side with the best understanding of Wikipedia's policies, guidelines, and procedures usually wins. Wikipedia has very extensive rules that have resulted from past disputes; most current disputes arise because one side or the other doesn't know everything about Wikipedia yet. Thus your odds of influencing the Lorcaserin article and having your changes "stick" are proportional to how much time you invest in studying how Wikipedia works.

--Teratornis (talk) 20:22, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Age

Is there (currently) an age limit for editing Wikipedia?--Thanks, Ain lina (box)? 18:41, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No Anonymous101 (talk) 18:42, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Technically speaking, no there isn't. But the longer you edit you'll find that some editors prefer that you're at least fifteen before doing some of the more stressful tasks (such as adminship). But to edit in general, Wikipedia is the free encyclopedia anyone can edit, so go right ahead. —Mizu onna sango15^Hello! 18:58, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please note the "some editors". We have had 12-year-old admins. Corvus cornix_talk 20:06, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You do not need to say anything about yourself (unless you're applying for the Wikimedia Board of Directors), so there's no way of knowing. --h2g2bob (talk) 21:01, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since Wikipedia does not require users to disclose their ages, what matters most would be a young editor's apparent age (or mental age). At the other end of the age scale, Wikipedia might tend to discriminate unintentionally against older people by being so radically different than anything many people have experienced before. I'd suspect a lower percentage of old people than young people would feel comfortable with Wikipedia's paradigm shift. Just as we see a lot more teenagers texting each other than elderly people. When people get to a certain age, they tend to lose interest in newfangled contraptions. --Teratornis (talk) 21:07, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

TEXT ONLY read?

Is it possible to get the pure text of a page? I mean without even the reference numbers of sources or of course images. Pure text. --Leladax (talk) 20:12, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Don't think so. You can grab the wiki markup of course from "edit this page", but there's no tool that I know of to convert it to human readable text in the way you're thinking. Your best bet is probably to just copy and paste from your browser to a text editor, but the footnotes will still appear. -SpuriousQ (talk) 20:19, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would be a very good feature. BTW, that's what I did, I just copy pasted some parts. It is technically possible to be automated by parsing scripts, but it seems quite straightforward and more proper to be done by wiki coders. --Leladax (talk) 21:08, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You might see TomeRaider. And since XML dumps of Wikipedia are available, you could in principle write an XSLT stylesheet that would output to plain text with xsltproc or Xalan. Another option might be a text-only browser such as Lynx (web browser). --Teratornis (talk) 21:15, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I thought of those methods and I concluded if an experienced scripter of parsers can make it quite easily, why not have it as a wiki feature and next to the 'view for printing' feature. --Leladax (talk) 21:52, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You can suggest it at Bugzilla. If the devs take you up on it, it may be added to the software proper or as an optional extension. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 23:35, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(undent) It occurs to me you might check the links under WP:EIW#Research. Lots of people are researching Wikipedia, and someone might have generated plain text dumps to use as a Text corpus. --Teratornis (talk) 02:40, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Uploading photographs

I have tried to add a photograph to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Gilmour_%28director%29, but have failed to do anything but go round in circles trying to read and understand the instructions on how to do it. Except that I have uploaded it to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bill_Gilmour._July%2C_2008.JPG. I can’t get beyond that. Can anyone do it for me? As I took the photograph, I own the copyright and am giving it for free use. Other information derived from the camera is with the image. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alphasierra (talk • contribs) 20:15, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I added the picture to the article. I hope this helps you. :) Regards, —αἰτίας •discussion• 20:24, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

August 3

Assessment Table

How do I get an assessment table like in Wikipedia:WikiProject_Canadian_music to be made for a WikiProject. I want to use it in User:Grk1011/Drafts. Grk1011 (talk) 02:28, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The bot that compiles all that information is part of the Version 1.0 Editorial Team. You can find information about getting it to do work for you Wikiproject at Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/FAQs#How_can_I_get_my_project_set_up_to_use_the_bot.3F. -- Natalya 02:36, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Right-aligning text

1.<center> aligns text centrally. What aligns text right? 2. Is there a central page listing all these bracketed functions so that I need not bother you further? Vielen dank, Skomorokh 03:51, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Right aligned text in a table:

right aligned text

As for entire paragraphs, etc. ...

This will do the trick.

Copy-paste the code. I'm afraid there isn't a HTML tag that does right-alignment, so we have to use inline CSS to format existing HTML tags like <p></p>(paragraph tag) and tables. CSS can be learned in a bunch of ways, I personally use http://www.lissaexplains.com/css.shtml Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 03:59, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see. Very helpful, thanks Calvin. Skomorokh 04:14, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tool

Is there any tool by which I can view in which articles one particular reference is used. For example I want to know how many articles in wikipedia use BBC News as reference. Is there any tool by which I can know this? Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 03:53, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not a tool, but a quick and dirty trick is Special:WhatLinksHere/BBC News. Of course this only works where the source is wikilinked, and may have a low signal to noise ratio for highly notable sources. Skomorokh 03:56, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Special:Linksearch could be used for this purpose. Someguy1221 (talk) 03:57, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and that can only be used when the page hosts an external link to the source. So there will be pages that won't show up, and for sources not hosted on a unique website, or on no website at all, this will be completely futile. Someguy1221 (talk) 04:03, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Are these albums notable?

Back in the 70's there was a series of albums called Top of the Pops. They consisting of covers of the biggest hits of the day, and actually outsold many of the original singles, and 2 actually hit No.1 on the UK albums charts. Is it OK if I create articles on the more notable volumes? I've created articles on a few but I want to check that it's OK. Retro Agnostic (talk) 04:48, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Based on your description, they sound notable enough, provided you can find sufficient sources to support your article. WP:MUSIC (Which I'm sure you've read, but) does specify that you need to include a fair bit of information, or it may be redirected to the artist. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 04:54, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What's wrong with this page?

Speed reading. --Leladax (talk) 07:19, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The entire page was in an infobox, Probably WP:VANDALISM. User:L'Aquatique fixed it! =) Neuro√Logic 07:25, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The closing tags of the navbox had been removed... I suspect it may have been a test edit- the ip had never been warned before. In any case, it's been fixed and the editor warned. Nice catch- L'Aquatique[talk] 07:27, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey I don't see any edit, how was it fixed. --Leladax (talk) 09:02, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See this edit at {{Reading}}. --Silver Edge (talk) 09:16, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

oh, I imagined something like that, I just didn't expect it to be true: every page with that template having a problem. --Leladax (talk) 10:26, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Logos

Is it possible to upload a few logos from German schools on the English Wikipedia? All these schools have got an article here. These logos: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. If it is possible to upload, which license I have to choose? Maybe “Non-free / fair use” → “Logo”? (By the way: I have asked the question already on Wikipedia:Media copyright questions but I did not got an answer.) — PsY.cHo, 08:39, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Templates - compare character strings?

I've just written {{UK charity}} and {{Scottish charity}}, which take as input a charity's registration number and produce a useful external link to their records on the appropriate regulatory site. I'd like to make them into a single template. To do this I need to check whether the first 2 characters of the registration number, parameter 1, are "SC". I've rummaged around the help files and can find ways to do arithmetical comparisons, but not a string comparison. Is there a way to do this, so that I can have a formula like

{{#ifeq [the first 2 characters of the parameter] |SC| [the current scottish template] | [the current England and Wales template]}}

Any ideas? PamD (talk) 08:52, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What happened to the Emperor of Mankind page?

Why was the page for the Emperor of Mankind from Warhammer 40,000 deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.16.170.55 (talk) 09:16, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Emperor of Mankind. --Silver Edge (talk) 09:20, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

External Namespace question

Trying to get to The Golem: It!, to check the status of a fair use image, I typed "Golem: It!" into the search bar, and was directed to a "Gruppo Operativo Linux Empoli" wiki. Is this really what should happen? Is there a list of all namespaces that get redirected externally? Thanks --Storkk (talk) 09:23, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

User ID

Is there a way for someone to view your personal User ID, or is it only avaliable to you? MattWT (talk) 10:15, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Feds Hound Bodog

[2] Bodog responds to online gambling money seizure

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 ::I am glad to see that the "Upload File" page has been modified since my last upload to expound the benefits of uploading files to Commons instead of to en.wikipedia. [[User:Takeaway|Takeaway]] 10.25, August 3, 2008 (UTC)
-：：：I am sorry. I was wrong to everything so please do not stalking me.--[[User:Anan|Anan]] ([[User talk:Anan|talk]]) 10:53, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
+:::I am sorry. I was wrong to everything so please do not stalking me.--[[User:Anan|Anan]] ([[User talk:Anan|talk]]) 10:53, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
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