Talk:Danse Macabre

Bergman

I removed the reference to Ingmar Bergman's The Seventh's Seal -- the author states that the danse macabre is the theme of the film, apparently confusing the dance at the film's end with both danse macabre and the whole film's theme. The removed reference was:

"danse macabre was the theme of Ingmar Bergman's The Seventh Seal, a movie where a knight plays chess with Death."

–Boy, someone must have REALLY messed with it between me entering it (forgot to sign in on it that time sorry) and you deleting it wouldn't it be easier to just bring it back to the surviving performers watching Death lead the rest of the cast away in a slow danse macabre?—Montanto 00:54, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Inhumanoids

I'm unfamiliar with the Inhumanoids, but the description here doesn't really sound like a Danse Macabre, in that it doesn't have the aspect of showing death as something that happens to those from all stations in life. That is, it's apparently a dance, and it's apparently macabre, but I'm not sure that merits mention here.

By the way, if we are looking for animations that may vaguely relate to this theme, there are a few examples of Max Fleischer's work that might belong, most notably his 1932 cartoon of "Minnie the Moocher". - Jmabel | Talk 05:54, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Musical references

If anyone is interested, Iron Maiden released an album called "Dance of Death," which includes the song "Dance of Death." The lyrics of that song seem to match the description of this Danse Macabre idea... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.95.238.136 (talk • contribs) April 17, 2006.

Disambiguation

Danse Macabre is also an album released in 2001 by The Faint. Disambiguation isn't really necessary, just mentioning it. Caim 17:44, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Performance Group

Does anyone know anything about the 1970s performance group Danse Macabre?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.208.204.166 (talk • contribs) .

It might be useful if you could indicate a country, or anything else you do know about them. - Jmabel | Talk 00:26, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Kennan Wylie

Is there any reason to think the Kennan Wylie piece is of encyclopedic importance? The link to document it is to a marching band score. - 23:31, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I've allowed nearly a week for a response. Removing. - Jmabel | Talk 05:00, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Mispelling?

"Ich habe gehabt [vil arbeit gross]"

Shouldn't that be "viel", or was "vil" accepted back then too? I don't seem to find anything else on the internet that says vil, nor any other copies of the lyrics besides what wikipedia and wikipedia-derivatives provide. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Karch (talk • contribs) 26 August 2006.

Don't know, but given that the word is apparently conjectural and the rest of the spelling is not particularly archaic, I'd tend to be with you on this. You might want to go back through the article history, work out who added this, and ask them. - Jmabel | Talk 18:37, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

That would be me. It's late Middle High German/Early New High German from the 15th Century. It's correct. Teodorico 19:10, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Grateful Dead

Thank you for the reference. The book says it was a "skeleton" and variously speculates about its meaning. So it was not Grateful Dead, it was a smartass reviewer, who when describing a couple of dead bones decided to show-off how smart he is and knows fancy words. Skeletons abound in many place, but to call it "danse macabre", there should be a specific arrangement. A single skeleton is definitely not.

I am very muc sure that Grateful Dead and various Gothic bands place skeleta here and there in heaps. It is only the reference is bad.

See also Skeleton (undead) for another kind of skeleton symbolism. `'mikka 16:46, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Are we reading the same thing? Quote in full:

Alton Kelley and Stanley Mouse collaborated on Grateful Dead (1966) for the Avalon, using a gruesome skeleton [cover art] with its literary illusion to "going to hell" and the medieval motif of the danse macabre.

Personally, it seems pretty obvious from artwork like this, this and this not only draws directly stylistically from danse macabre, I would not be surprised if it is an actual image taken directly from one of the old masters. Indeed the phrase "Dancing skeleton" (or, "danse") is very common in Grateful Dead culture. But that is neither here nor there, the important thing is Verifiability, not truth. You may not agree with something for it to be included in Wikipedia so long as it is from a reliable source. Your certainly welcome to provide a counter-view to the cited source, but I don't think such a view exists. -- Stbalbach 17:08, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Day of the Dead?

If anyone has ever looked at art relating to day of the dead, you can notice that the art is similar: People from all walks of life portrayed as skeletons designed to mock earthly life and say that death is inevitable. Is there any connection between the two?--Nog64 00:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not aware of any, though it is likely that modern Day of the Dead imagery would be influenced by historic Danse Macabre imagery. - Jmabel | Talk 22:44, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Danse Macabre in Emblematics

Has anyone considered the abundance of of examples of the danse macabre in emblem books from the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries? It seems this is an area that has been grossly overlooked by an otherwise well-written article. - RBXguy 19:29, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Do you have any sources that discuss this? `'Miikka 21:29, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Hans Holbein has a book on Project Gutenberg which addresses this very topic: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/21790/21790-h/21790-h.htm You might also try your local Rare Book library. The University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign has the second largest collection of emblem books in the world after the University of Edinburgh, Scotland. Within each collection are several examples of the Totentanz. Germany, too, has a very impressive collection of such emblem books.

Article title

Are there any serious reasons not to use English-language title? Or, to put it in another way, why pereference to French? `'Miikka 21:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

possible missing/new cultural reference?

I'm not sure of a complete link, but could the latest My Chemical Romance work, The Black Parade, have some link to the Dance Macabre? the album art does have a skeletal figure, presumably death, leading a band through a scene fairly similar to that in some dance macabre art. I've never heard the band themselves refer to the work but it could be an influence or even a reference maybe? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.40.124.118 (talk) 19:28, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Danse Macabre vs. Dance of Death (crossposted from the Danse Macabre disambiguation page)

These need to be disintwined, in particular disambiguation for the latter from the formner. Robert Greer (talk) 01:28, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Useless and Puerile Trivia - A Protest Against the Cheapening of the Wikipedia Ideal.

"Devil May Cry 3 features a move consisting of a flurry of attacks, named also dance macabre (sic)" Why is rubbish like this allowed to remain on the page? If people cannot be dissuaded from posting such drivel, Wikipedia will lose credibility. 89.16.85.59 (talk) 20:07, 7 August 2008 (UTC)