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Colfax massacre

Thanks for your encouragement. I've taken a first stab at editing it, so you can let me know what you think. You could improve the article by adding specific citations from your references, in addition to listing them below.--Parkwells (talk) 21:49, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ralph Nader Presidential Elections

Any help you can offer to make this article compliant with WP:NPOV is greatly appreciated. Thank you, 76.87.47.110 (talk) 11:02, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you take the time to look at the main Ralph Nader article's editing history, you can see that the Atlantic quote in question, which was originally there, was moved here by compromise. I have been involved with these articles for over six months. What gives you the right to violate this compromise that was reached after a whole lot of haggling? Please respect other editors' wishes and let this comment stay. Otherwise, I will have to insert it back in the main article and revisit the compromise arguments there. Moreover, as to the Ralph Nader article itself, where is the POV in this: "Nader's greatest impact was in Florida in the 2000 election, where George W. Bush defeated Al Gore by 537 votes and Nader's 97,421 votes tilted the election in Bush's favor." You can't disagree that his campaign in 2000 had more of an impact than his other campaigns, right? And if you agree with that statement, then you have to explain why it had an impact. I don't know how much more carefully I can tread without stepping on hypersensitive toes. Griot (talk) 02:59, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You were asked to provide a source for the unsourced "tilted the election" statement. Wikipedia is based on reliable sources. Boodlesthecat (talk) 03:28, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry if I deleted a comment of yours. I did it by accident, I assure you. Now my question is how to address the fact that Nader's biggest impact was in 2000. That belongs at the top of both articles. No more white-washing, please. Nader would have been a footnote to the elections if not for his role in 2000 in Florida. I'd appreciate if you wouldn't insist on glozing over this fact, as much as you may dislike it. Griot (talk) 05:14, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You offered and we had agreed that you would supply sources for your claims (you said you could find hundreds). Yet you persist in reverting the unsourced claims in the lead and susbstituting rhetoric and accusations of "whitewashing." This is not a substitute for a reliable source. You are not keeping your agreement; I will revert out the claims until you supply reliable sources for it as you PROMISED--that's fair. Boodlesthecat (talk) 13:42, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

newspaper article

Hi there, I'm a reporter working on an article about Wikipedia and I would love to speak with you. May I send you an email to try to set up an interview? Thanks for your time.Marynega (talk) 16:56, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Which newspaper?Boodlesthecat (talk) 17:14, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

January 2008

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Ralph Nader. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Gwernol 23:30, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This warning also applies to Ralph Nader's presidential campaigns Gwernol 23:32, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

newspaper article follow-up

Hi again, I'm a reporter with SF Weekly newspaper. My email address is Mary.Spicuzza@sfweekly.com May I give you a call to interview you for the article I'm writing about Wikipedia? Thanks for your time, Mary71.5.63.2 (talk) 00:43, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

trying again

Sorry--I forgot to sign that last one. I'm a reporter with SF Weekly newspaper. My email address is Mary.Spicuzza@sfweekly.com Thanks for your time, MaryMarynega (talk) 02:12, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Matt Gonzalez

Now you've followed me to the Matt Gonzalez article. C'mon man, gimme a break. You don't know the City or its politics. Your editing there was strictly personal. Griot (talk) 16:44, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See the talk page for discussion. Please refrain from using my talk page for your speculations and insults, and rude advice on what I can and cannot edit. Boodlesthecat (talk) 16:46, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry Cat. Griot (talk) 16:50, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but I have to take this back to your Talk page, since your edits at this article obviously don't pertain to Matt Gonzales, but to me. You dislike me so you followed me to this article, where you've been cutting huge portions of it out without regard to the fact that the material is sourced and arrived at by many editors who preceeded you. That is unfair to me and other editors. I answered your queries on the Talk page. Cut it out, wouldya? Griot (talk) 17:15, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Matt Gonzalez. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Gwernol 17:21, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for edit warring. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make constructive contributions. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below.

Gwernol 20:13, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Boodlesthecat (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Please review my edits and talk pages on Matt Gonzalez and the WP:BLP/N I posted for that article; Ralph Nader; and Ralph Nader's presidential campaigns. My edits and those of half a dozen others on the Nader pages have been plagued by incessant edit warring and multiple reverts without explanation and flagrant policy disregard by Griot, an editor with a self professed personal grudge against Ralph Nader.

Decline reason:

Complaining about the conduct of another editor is not a reason why you should be unblocked. — Sandstein (talk) 22:22, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

In reply to your e-mail: You are blocked because of your own actions. Each editor is judged on his or her own merits. Enumerating the bad things that the other editor has allegedly done is not an argument that addresses the only pertinent question here: how, specifically, did your block violate our blocking policy and should therefore be lifted? Sandstein (talk) 06:43, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi and re Nader article

Hi. I'm basically in agreement with Ralph Nader's views. I'm trying hard to make the article accurate and NPOV. If you and I should disagree, it's probably over minor matters of rhetoric. -- Writtenonsand (talk) 20:44, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nader Elections

I guess I stand corrected as to whether the presidential articles are biographical. Nevertheless, whether his supporters can handle it, I think our man Nader is a big boy with a good strong backbone, and he can handle criticism in person or on Wikipedia. These criticisms are not malicious or gratuitous--but let's let others decide, eh? I think you and I have been around this subject once too often. BTW, you put your comment on my User page, not my Talk page. If you want to address me in future, please do so on my Talk page. User pages are meant only for their owners. Feedler (talk) 23:56, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Boodles, I'm afraid User:Feedler is a sock puppet of User:Griot. 76.87.47.110 (talk) 20:39, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You too, huh? You're in the paranoid category? Griot (talk) 01:25, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ralph Nader's presidential campaigns

You as well as anybody knows that it took a long time to reach the compromise that made up the opening paragraphy of this article. Yet you delete it wholesale. Why? And then you accuse me of being a sockpuppet merely because I disagree with you. Why do you do this? And Moonriddengirl is not an authority on which quote should be in an article. Please respect the editors there as well. People are going to disagree with you on Wiki, and that's okay. You have to realize that. Griot (talk) 16:43, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here's where compromises were reached on this passage. Please click the links and observe how other editors rejected your edit:

Please respect other editors. Griot (talk) 17:03, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, compromises are reached in discussion pages, not proclaimed in article edits, as you seem to think from the diffs you offer above. You have a unique view of what a "compromise" is. feel free to try again. Boodlesthecat (talk) 18:05, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

User:Sedlam is a sock puppet of User:Griot. 76.87.47.110 (talk) 03:42, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dude has a closetfull of socks ;)Boodlesthecat (talk) 04:55, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No doubt, Boodles, no doubt. Sad, really. Have you seen this yet? Gadzooks, 76.87.47.110 (talk) 06:24, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Evola and the Jews

The Evola article states: Evola further held that Jewish people denigrated lofty "Aryan" ideals (of faith, loyalty, courage, devotion, and constancy) through a "corrosive irony" that ascribed every human activity to economic or sexual motives (à la Marx and Freud). — Do you perhaps know where this is from and able to cite it? Because that's quite a controversial statement and needs to be sourced. — EliasAlucard (Discussion · contribs) 11:03, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I didnt write it but I'll look for a source, though it's hardly any more controversial than any of this fascist's other anti-Semitic pronouncements. Boodlesthecat (talk) 13:41, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, but why did you remove the part about Freud and Marx? I found that particularly interesting and in need of a source. — EliasAlucard (Discussion · contribs) 04:47, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As I pointed out, I didn't write it, and don't have a source to verify it. You can leave it in but it will probably stay tagged for a very long time, since much of this artcile was written in an essay fashion without references. Boodlesthecat (talk) 05:00, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Added to ANI Noticeboard

Hi Boodles, I added User:Griot persistent violations to ANI, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents. He has deleted content on article talk pages and reverted inappropriate comments my talk page as well. 76.87.47.110 (talk) 21:02, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Grazie indeed Boodles! A million of 'em :) 76.87.47.110 (talk) 06:05, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, by the way, I agree that it would be in your interest to open a user account; makes things less confusing and distracts from the valid complaint you have. Cheers Boodlesthecat (talk) 06:11, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've been thinking about it, maybe I'm commitment phobic :) 76.87.47.110 (talk) 06:28, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Have you seen this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Telogen

I must say, with all the evidence against User:Griot, and the many incivility warnings I've noted with this new User:Calton, there is something not right about this. 76.87.47.110 (talk) 01:31, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Desperate attempt by a desperate editor who got B-U-S-T-E-D. It's classic online pathology. Enjoy the show! Boodlesthecat (talk) 01:43, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kudos Boodles! :) Btw, I'm reporting User:Calton for incivility on the ANI board. 76.87.47.110 (talk) 06:12, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, looks like your "anonymous friend" got blocked -- again -- this time for six months. Looks like you'll have to buy your own doughnuts.

Now, what was this about "desperate editor" and "classic online pathology"? Boy, that sounds like incivility to me -- or possibly aimed in the wrong direction. Is this name-calling a privilege you're reserving for yourself? --Calton | Talk 11:23, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmmmm, looks like you've concluded I've been falsely accused of being a sock puppet of 76.87.47.110 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)--Krispy Kreme please. Boodlesthecat (talk) 14:03, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, reading, not your strong suit it appears. Note -- perhaps you missed the subtlety -- that I put "anonymous friend" within quotation marks. You even missed the plain English of my "I'm not buying you doughnuts". That's a George W. Bush-level of pretending not to hear things people tell you.

But even, for the sake of argument, assuming you're not a sockpuppet, it still means that you allied yourself with an obsessive, indefinitely banned, factually wrong self-promoter -- great company to keep, what? -- and now your support is gone. Note that the admins laughed at her claims and bounced her out of her toot suite. Something to keep in mind if you keep trying the same tactics. --Calton | Talk 14:14, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, enough of your insulting drivel. A) I'm not their sock puppet, so an APOLOGY, not insults is in order, and B) I hadn't "allied" myself with anybody; I was trying to balance the hostile, disruptive and guideline flaunting edits of an editor with a serious grudge against the very subject he's editing that you have allied yourself with. An editor who lies about my edit history, makes paranoid accusations, distorts edit history discussions, insists that his POV trumps reliable sourcing (see Matt Gonzalez article), and deletes other editors talk page comments that throw him in an unfavorable light. I can "Diff" all of this. So if you're not going to give me an apology and my donut, then go away and come back when you learn how to play nicely. Boodlesthecat (talk) 19:08, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You owe me an apology - Nope. You still, as I pointed out above, were carrying water from a banned troll. Talking about other people's behavior doesn't change that.

I hadn't "allied" myself with anybody - That would be factually incorrect, considering the exchanges of "me too!" with her when you were both forum-shopping.

An editor who lies about my edit history, makes paranoid accusations, distorts edit history discussions, insists that [her] POV trumps reliable sourcing ... and deletes other editors talk page comments that throw [her] in an unfavorable light. - fixed that for you. Oh, you weren't talking about J-M Spicuzza? I particularly liked her backwards causality, whereupon I supposed to have posted to WP:AN/I in revenge for something that hadn't yet happened.

OK, enough of your insulting drivel. - You first. As you sow, so shall ye reap, and the condescension that appears to be your default mode of interaction is insulting enough.

And what IS your bizarre fixation on doughnuts? Are you looking some form of external approval? Too cheap to buy your own? --Calton | Talk 22:00, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Calton, you seem to suffer the same penchant for distortion as your now- busted buddy Griot. What I "mee too'ed" were the contentions that Griot was using sock puppets. Oh, and looky (below) I was right. And no, I wasn't talking about J-M Spicuzza, whoever that is. All I know was the anon IP who accused Griot correctly of sock puppetry and other unkind things. so again, apologize and/or donut, or begone. Boodlesthecat (talk) 22:09, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Griot

You really need stronger evidence than "Because I said so," guy. --Calton | Talk 14:16, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh dear, somebody isn't following their own ground rules. Tsk. Boodlesthecat (talk) 15:25, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

confirmed

Griots #RR evading sock puppet has been confirmed here. Guess he was confused when he denied it here? It's not because I said so, its because checkuser said so. So why don't you go and abuse them instead of me, "guy?" Boodlesthecat (talk) 21:34, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's a little confusing to me how you figured all this stuff out but you should absolutely check the Chris Daly page and Gavin Newsom page. Also check my talk page for a ridiciulous situation I had with him. --BillyTFried (talk) 22:12, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

sorry for the confusion

Hi Boodles. There seems to be some confusion or suspicion that you and I are actually the same user. If anybody should want to reach me to clarify that we are not the same person, I can be reached via email at Mary.Spicuzza@sfweekly.comMarynega (talk) 18:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yea, they confused. Boodlesthecat (talk) 18:46, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FYI use of "controversy", "controversial"

This is just FYI as it might not exactly address the discussion at Talk:Ralph_Nader#Naders_.22very_controversial.22_campaigns, but I see that Wikipedia:WTA#Scandal.2C_controversy.2C_affair lists "scandal" as a deprecated term and suggests "controversial episode" or "controversy" instead -- apparently the sense of editors of this style guideline is that "controversy" and "controversial" should not be considered pejorative. Have a good one. -- Writtenonsand (talk) 13:51, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Incivility, goading and personal attacks

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks and civility policies. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users, and even if you feel an editor has taken an action or actions which you disagree with or believe are wrong, acting as you have on User talk:Griot is completely unacceptable. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Orderinchaos 06:07, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/71.139.36.105

You recently compiled and listed a case at request for checkuser. A checkuser or clerk has asked that you list the code letter which matches with the violations of policy, which is listed at the top of the request for checkuser page. This has been implemented to reduce difficulties for checkusers, and is essential for your case to be processed in a timely manner. A link to your recently-created case which has this information missing is here. Thanks for your co-operation. AGK (talk) 22:15, 10 February 2008 (UTC), checkuser clerk.[reply]

Griot deliberately misrepresenting me on his talk page

Which is not allowed on Wikipedia talk pages, so all I did was revert it back to the original conversation. This can be seen here along with my comments on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Griot&action=history

AGAIN

He has done it again, saying (this is my talk page) - http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Griot&diff=prev&oldid=190710037<br\>

However Wikipedia talk pages are not the place for purposefully misrepresenting fellow editors in a bad light.<br\>

WP:Talk_page states that Article talk pages are provided for discussion of the content of articles and the views of reliable published sources. They should not be used by editors as platforms for their personal views.<br\>

And I am certain they are also not meant to be used in the way Griot is using his. Please have him either remove all conversations between me and him from his talk page or leave the whole conversation exactly as it originally was. If you are not an Admin or cannot handle this for me can you please direct me to someone who can. Thanks. BillyTFried (talk) 21:47, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can't have him do anything, I'm just another editor. I do chase mice rather well though. What you can do, if you feel there is abuse going on, is go to the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents and post there, in accordance with the instructions there. In the meantime, it's no doubt best to stay off that editor's talk page. Refer to the Talk Page guidelines both to assess whether this editor is abusing their talk page and as a guide for what you can and can't do on their talk page. Meow. Boodlesthecat (talk) 22:27, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, that's what I did: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Griot_deliberately_misrepresenting_me_on_his_talk_page<br\> Thanks for the advice! --BillyTFried (talk) 22:41, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. You might find this interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Griot&diff=prev&oldid=190675197<br\> BillyTFried (talk) 23:39, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Spanish Inquisition

Thanks for the rib tickler. Dlabtot (talk) 22:30, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Boodles, I agree with your edit here. Don't get me wrong, I'm trying to work "incrementally", perhaps too much so. WNDL42 (talk) 18:10, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Live long and prosper

Frackin' brilliant! I like the way you communicate BtC..:) While you're at it, I'd like a side of spam with my quantum mystical pseudoscientific bleepin' dead parrot, eh, squire? Dreadstar † 23:47, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		For your Heroically Humorous efforts to get the message across...! Keep up the good humor! Dreadstar † 23:54, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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User:Griot

Likely by now you are aware that once again your suspicions have been confirmed and once again Griot has been indefinitely blocked. Whatever may come of this now, I'd just like to let you know that I appreciate your sleuthing and persistence. Not all disruption to Wikipedia takes the form of blatant vandalism, and we need people who are willing to doggedly pursue less obvious instances as well. As I mentioned when you first approached me on my talk page about this, I had (and still have) very little familiarity with sock puppetry and the pursuit thereof, but my observation of your experience suggests that it can be a challenging task. Thanks for being willing to take it on anyway. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 15:18, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks from me too....WNDL42 (talk) 17:52, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Griot, aren't you banned indefinitely? Found another sock in the drawer?

Say, isn't your own pet abusive sockpuppeteer banned, too? Seems to me Griot has a long way to go to match your friend in total number of socks squashed.

But let me guess: abuse in a good cause is always right: nice to see you've made clear that you've adopted Republican Party Values, then. --Calton | Talk 13:48, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

bad grammar

I will continue to remove poor grammar and unencycopedic language. Ask for help if you can't figure out how to say something properly. Rracecarr (talk) 18:52, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How 'bout your wholesale revert without consensus of Rationalist's improvements to the lead?? Rracecarr (talk) 18:54, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How about his wholesale rewrite without concensus? And what does that have to do with your rude behavior? Boodlesthecat (talk) 18:58, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It has to do with you complaining about removing material. Pots and kettles, and all that. Rracecarr (talk) 19:01, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

seriously, man, you're making no sense, you are being rude, combative, uncivil, and flagrantly edit warring. Kindly desist. Boodlesthecat (talk)

"Challenges how" and "attributes to how" are not appropriate. A start would be changing "how" to "the way in which". Also, you are past 3RR, just to let you know. Rracecarr (talk) 19:20, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your a nit-picking simply for POV pushing purposes. End of discussion since you are not being honest. Boodlesthecat (talk) 19:25, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am honest, and it is uncivil of you to assume bad faith. I don't particularly see the phrases as POV (although they do add clutter), just really bad writing. Rracecarr (talk) 19:54, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No you are using "grammar" and rude assertions about "really bad writing" to delete sourced, factual content you don't like. It's all in the history, so please stop cluttering my talk page with your disingenous arguments. Boodlesthecat (talk) 20:20, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Boodlesthecat, I have had a terrible time with Rracecarr reverting, undoing and deleting my work at several different articles; most notable the foot-pound force article. I have for the last 9 months tried to communicate with Rracecarr in a civil manner. However Rracecarr's responses are off topic or non-sequitur's with sarcastic language (that puts it nicely). Rracecarr's posts read like this is some kind of competition. I find it weird. The edit warring that Rracecarr is engaged in borders on juvenile behavior. I would report his/her behavior to admin but one, I don't know how and two, that is an extreme measure. Do you have any suggetions for me? Thank you, Greg Glover (talk) 22:36, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

greg--as you can see above, I don't think I was very successful in my interactions with Rracecarr. I'm not sure what gets him going into that mode, but I also see on your talk page that there is within it all some productive discussion. Since you are discussing technical definitional issues, I think perhaps maybe you two can agree to hammer out specific differences, and agree on mutually acceptable definitions and expository wordings. The issues seem to be regarding technical matters, so you can both consult the proper published reference works for guidance where there are disagreements. If there are issues about popular usage, eg., torgue, that can be worked into the article ("in some contexts, torque can refer to...) just like the complex number article notes "In some disciplines (in particular, electrical engineering, where i is a symbol for current), the imaginary unit i is instead written as j, so complex numbers are sometimes written as a + jb" so that an engineer doesnt throw a fit and say :"no, it's written j!!" In any case, have a chat and see if you can agree to hammer out differences on talk pages (wheere others may have input too), consult authorities and then make agreed upon edits, rather than back and forth. Hope this is useful! Boodlesthecat (talk) 01:20, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much. Your examples are great. I think this will be very helpful.Greg Glover (talk) 13:07, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Warning for WP:Civil violation

Boodles, comments [like this] really don't do anyone any favours. Please watch for civility, Jefffire (talk) 17:14, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I had hoped you would have taken this in a mature fashion. Consider this your warning for uncivil behavior. Anything else and you will be reported for disruption. Jefffire (talk) 22:31, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Using threats of reporting as a cheap intimidation attempt....yawn Boodlesthecat (talk) 22:49, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please do stop this behavior. Jefffire (talk) 22:58, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jeffire, You've threatened me similarly and it's getting old. The behavior Boodles is commenting on is far more disruptive, and any "civility" issues should be addressed at the root of the problem. The user Boodles is commenting on is way out of line, throwing up Smoke screens, and I personally find it to be disruptive. If Boodles "socratic irony" is what it takes, well that's unfortunate, but it's better than locking the article over and over again, which is what we had before. WNDL42 (talk) 00:25, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

February 2008

Please do not attack other editors. If you continue, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Personal attacks, such as calling others Nazi's, is strongly discouraged and flat-out inappropriate despite the context. seicer | talk | contribs 00:27, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Elias

Seriously, stop your bickering. It's getting tiring. Will ^(talk) 00:46, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Same shit, different day. Stop it. Will ^(talk) 00:50, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there

I can understand and somewhat relate to your feelings, but if you continue, you will be blocked, I'm sorry to say. Having an opinion about something doesn't get your blocked from here; attacking others about their opinions will. ~ Riana ⁂ 01:12, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tell me you are kidding. anti-Semitic rants and Jew-baiting of other editors is permitted on wikipedia?? Boodlesthecat (talk) 01:14, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, and that user may be facing a block too. But you need to calm down, please. ~ Riana ⁂ 01:16, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am perfectly calm and waiting for someone to address this users vicious anti-Semitism rather than attack me for bringing it to Wikipedia's attention. I bring it up and get told to "shut the hell up?" Is that how thing s work here?Boodlesthecat (talk) 01:19, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate that you are upset at his strange views regarding Jews and Judaism, but calling someone a Nazi is never acceptable. Nazis are something entirely different from bizarrely anti-Semitic contributors at Wikipedia and Stormfront. The best policy in a situation like this is to ignore anti-Semites, keep a watch on your articles to make sure they aren't dumped down the Looking Glass and report specific policy violations (like 3RR, etc.) when you see them. (And before you accuse me of having an agenda towards ignoring this sort of complaint, have a look at my userpage). Avruch^T 01:57, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I understand; even though that editor is a member of a Nazi forum (Stormfront) I wont call a spade a spade and call him a Nazi. Fine. Now--is there no policy about filling talk pages with anti-Semitic rants? seems like a no-no per WP:talk. How come no one will address that, and that editors Jew baiting me, and only respond with the rather bizarre notion that I shoudlnt call a nazi a nazi? Boodlesthecat (talk) 02:05, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There aren't any Nazis at the moment, and hopefully there never will be again. Stormfront is a collection of losers who whine about how the world mistreats them, and blame it on targets conveniently picked out for them by history. Calling them Nazis either gives them far more credit (in their world) than they deserve, or demeans those who suffered and died at the hands of actual Nazis. There are methods for dealing with anti-Semitic hatred on talkpages. First, don't violate any policies yourself. Second, accumulate a body of evidence that includes the most egregious diffs. Once you have, post it in one go to AN/I or start an RfC. Avruch^T 02:10, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I posted on ANI links to a page full of anti-semitic rants by this member of a collection of losers who whine about how the world mistreats them, and was told to "shut the hell up." Boodlesthecat (talk) 02:12, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the problem with that (not that I'm condoning shut the hell up, but perhaps Will knows more background than I do) is that when you make a report on AN/I, typically it is much more helpful to provide a list of diffs to violations so that it can be reviewed quickly without someone having to devote a great deal of time to filling themselves in or reading over a page filled with bullshit. If you want to assemble a list of diffs and repost later, or at AN instead of AN/I, you could do that. I'd recommend at least ten different diffs, with the most objectionable text displaying in the link in your report. Avruch^T 02:15, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No actually Will knew nothing of the background, but instead chose to give a perfect exampe of a violation of WP:DIK. A courteous response, by any editor or admin on my AN/I would be to simply and cordially request examples, which I would happily supply, rather than lambast me for complaining about being the target of an anti-Semitic loser. Boodlesthecat (talk) 02:26, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Now you're talking!

Julian Barbour indeed! Have you checked out Jacob Bekenstein, John Archibald Wheeler and/or Holographic Principle? See especially the last. Bleep discussions get old...but remain important because new users come in, start identifying with the cult of "pathological disbelief" and (as innocent bystanders) get sucked in to this garbage. Very tiresome, but it's an unfortunately pervasive problem on Wikipedia. WNDL42 (talk) 16:49, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bekenstein is Wheeler's student and developed the Generalized Second Law... WNDL42 (talk) 17:05, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-semitic editor

Please report abuse to WP:ANI. Thanks, --Shirahadasha (talk) 17:25, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Given that the material is in the archive, you probably shouldn't revert the most recent removal. You can just point to the archive or to an earlier version of the talk page. - Jmabel | Talk 21:42, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

hi--See above; Ricky81682, who did the archiving in the midst of the Wikiquette filing, has instructed me to feel free to unarchive. archiving makes the links to the full relevant sections inoperable. I think we can wait until a resolution on this--it certainly seems like a bit of impropriety to archive precidely in the middle of an active dispute about the material. Per Ricky81682's post above, I am going to revert. Boodlesthecat (talk) 21:52, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AN/i

I understand you may be angry but do you really think your current posts on AN/I are helping your case? In fact, you carry on this way and it's likely you'll get blocked too. You should either calm a bit or expect uninvolved users to take your comments with less weight. David D. (Talk) 06:24, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Seriously ... your comments are getting to be over the top. You need to tone it down several notches and I would strongly suggest disengaging with the other user if/when he becomes unblocked and let others handle him. --B (talk) 06:36, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Jewish lobby talk

Boodles, I appreciate your acceptance and concerns about my posts to the talk page, and in thinking about how to reply decided that repeating your post, and my reply here, was appropriate. Active discussion seems to have slowed considerably over the week end.

Those excerpts illustrate some of the complexities of the era, with Jewish lobbying power beginning to flex its strength and taking head-on a political establishment that was indifferent to Jews at best and contained a not so subtle anti-Semitic current (as seen in those now famous Truman quotes). This all is in the context of the aftermath of the tragic and unconscionable failures of the New Deal regime to act on behalf of Jews in the Hitler era. Now the Lobby is flexing its muscle and coming head to head with Cold War realpolitic. The anti-Semitic undercurrent continued well into recent years, peaking of course with the Jew hater Nixon.

Please allow me a re-write of it, to illustrate how I believe it should fit into the article, and to some extent, how it fits my bias.

These excerpts illustrate the strength and some of the complexities of this critical pre-state era, with both Zionist and Jewish lobbying power beginning to exercise its strength by taking head-on a gentile political establishment that was indifferent to Jews as it should be (domestically) in a proportional democracy. This all is in the context of the aftermath and guilt of the tragic and unconscionable failures of the wartime and postwar administration to act on behalf of Jews in the Hitler era. [This should go in the article, as appropriately worded and re-worded, as the article is edited. The specific lobbying role of some Jews and Zionists to save European Jews during this period is also appropriate.]

That American society includes a not so subtle but limited anti-Semitic current, largely the result of other previous unrelated historical facts and misconceptions, is a fact. The anti-Semitic and newer New anti-Semitism and self hating Jew undercurrent continues to the present, peaking following the 1967 and 1973 wars, in the 1978 and 1982 Lebanon invasions, 1987 first intifada, 2000 second intifada, and the 2006 Lebanon invasion. Currently the lobby is flexing its muscle and coming head to head with post-Cold War realpolitic, where more (M&W) point out that this is not good for America. The Jew hater Nixon, I believe, can be shown to be another example of lobby power and domestic political expediency overruling his personal feelings and American interests. [How this is worked into the article, requires considerably more discussion, I believe.]

As seen in those now famous Truman quotes, there is legitimate moral concern that “The action of some of our United States Zionists [and now also, the post-77 Likud-dominated governments] will prejudice everyone against what they are trying to get done.”

This is certainly my bias. If you are concerned how I might use these, please see this dif [1] as to how I incorporated the first Lenczowski excerpt into an appropriate existing article. I do understand that different articles require different quotes; I hope it is acceptable. Regards, CasualObserver'48 (talk) 06:37, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked for 24 hours.

I have blocked you for 24 hours for harassment and disruption. Specifically, for continuing to insinuate that the admins and editors discussing this issue at AN/I are challenging you out of some latent or patent antisemitism, even after being asked, by multiple parties, to stop. The next block for this sort of behavior will be longer. Regards, Nandesuka (talk) 15:53, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Request reason:

see below

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No comment on your reasons. At this point there's less than an hour left on the block. In general, {{unblock}} is meant for review of longer-term blocks. Mango juice^talk 15:07, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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I was blocked for harrassment and disruption

There is nothing indicating anyone being harrassed, per the descriptions given in WP:HAR
The claim of "disruption" is one-sided and removes the relevant history of how this became a dispute. I have caused no disruption--I have responded to them, as will be outlined
The origins of this dispute are in the complaints, since verified, of longstanding racist ranting and anti-Semitic personal attacks by EliasAlucard. That was the first disruption that I responded too, as this editor's rants were a constant disruption of the editing process and his dispicable rants were a flarant violation of WP:TALK
I filed a complaint at WP:ANI and was told to "shut the hell up" by an editor who then archived the case.
I filed a new complaint at WP:WQA here documenting the racist rants, and Jew baiting personal attacks by EliasAlucard. There I was falsely told by Ricky81682 that there was "consensus" on WQA to "let it go, even though all there was on WQA was the "shut the hell up" comment" and more rants by EliasAlucard. This complaint at least resulted in some recognition of the problem with this anti-Semite, and a warning to him. Boodlesthecat (talk) 19:05, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
When EliasAlucard continued his disruptive editing and racial/anti-Semitic taunting, including characterizing the Holocaust as the "Holohoax," I filed another WP:ANI documenting EliasAlucard's continued violations. ultimately this resulted in corroboration once again, and a 3 day block of the racist editor. However, in the course of what should havee beena simple case, given the glaring evidence against EliasAlucard, there were disruptions by other editors and harrassment of me in the course of that filing. Among other things I was
- "basically attacking him (EliasAlucard) non-stop for quite some time now" with no evidence presented of my "attacks" and in complete disregard of the endless racial taunting I had endured
- Told that my complaints against this vile racist "looks like a bit of a hit-job, designed to get him blocked for disagreeing" This "blaming the victim is where I questioned why it was that I was being charged with orchestrating a conspiracy ("hit job") against a clearly racist, anti-Semitic editor. Bringing up the latent anti-Semitic undertones in that accusation is not "harrassment--if anything, the contention that I was somehow conspiring against this editor is harrassment.
- Challenged about my complaint about the use of "Holohoax", when it was quite clear to anyone taking a moment to read that it was being used in a noxious manner by EliasAlucard (and which is now agreed)
- Told that I was somehow violating EliasAlucard's "free speech", when {WP:TALK]]'s first, bold faced advice is Article talk pages should not be used by editors as platforms for their personal views. I questioned if somehow anti-Semitic rants were an exception to this rule, since I was being told I was somehow impinging upon the anti-Semtic editor's rights and free speech. I still question that.
- was told by user Will AGAIN to "shut the hell up: Can you read, Boodles? This is getting ridiculous. I told you in no uncertain terms to shut up and take the dispute off the wiki about 30 hours ago Bizarre complaint about forum shopping, since his first obnoxious rejection is what made it necessary. Will has yet to receive any serious actions against him for his nasty personal attacks and flagrant msiuse of WP:ANI, just some pointless wrist slapping.
- Was told by Veritas that I "dragged most of AN/I into your personal feud" as if I am somehow responsible for what they posted, and as if my response to anti-Semitic attacks was "my personal" issue, rather than one that should concern the Wiki community. All they needed to do, if they wished, was to review the evidence and comment. Instead, some felt the need to attack and attempt to discredit me, if not outright defend a vile anti-Semite and racist.

On the basis of the above, and more, I request an unblock. I will be happy to tone down my commentary; I do, however, feel that it would be fair if there was at least an acknowledgment of the (at the miniumum) equal amount of "disruption and harrassment" I have been subjected to. Cheers Boodlesthecat (talk) 19:05, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd support an unblock based on the unproductive comments from Will. Given that kind of provocation it would be hard for anyone to remain calm. This would be subject to this being a lesson to proceed with such complaints in a rationale and productive way despite users like Will. When uninvolved users ask questions for clarification assume things might not be clear. A measured calm debate will also be more successful than getting frustrated. David D. (Talk) 19:13, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed to proceed rationally and productively (although such things as accusations of orchestrating a "hit job" against an anti Semite seemed a bit beyond a request for clarification!). Boodlesthecat (talk) 19:27, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That user did apologise for that comment when you brought it up. Things don't always have to go from bad to worse. I asked Nandesuka to consider unblocking you. David D. (Talk) 19:45, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Need some clarification

Can someone perhaps help clarify what this comment and this not very clarifying clarification might possibly mean, since I cannot currently inquire directly? I certainly don;t want to make any assumptions, and would definitely like some second opinions/interpretations. Thanks! Boodlesthecat (talk) 20:00, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Any clues? Boodlesthecat (talk) 22:55, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, WebHamster did clarify what he meant, which is, judging from the he supplied as explanation is that I am impersonating the perfect whiny neurotic jew. So upon expiration of my block that came as a result of protesting anti-Semitic rants on Wikipedia, I will be filing a complaint against WebHamster first thing for his nasty little anti-Semitic slur against me. I am really baffled as to what goes through the minds of some editors here. Boodlesthecat (talk) 23:39, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My opinion, in case you care

While it may be that I have missed some particularly inflammatory post you made, I consider your block well out of bounds. The nearest practical effect I could see it having would be to discourage users from reporting bias, and further discourage users from criticising admin comments. This block is just depressing. That's all I can think to say. IronDuke 23:47, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, IronDuke I share your concerns about discouraging users. I don't know if I posted anything inflammatory, but I certainly did get visibly pissed about having to be subjected to a barrage of anti-Semitism, and then to get criticized and even attacked ("shut the hell up!") for reporting it. In any case, it won't be discouraging me--as I noted above, first thing on TO DO list after the block is over is to report the nasty, gratuitous anti-Semitic attack by WebHamster above. Hey who knows--maybe someone will even do it on my behalf in the interim. Boodlesthecat (talk) 23:57, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for reporting the user in the first place. I'm wondering if an RfC might be the way to go. But after seeing some of the truly disheartening stuff on AN/I, I'm having second thoughts. IronDuke 00:01, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here's an interesting experiment...

How long will WebHamster be allowed to continue his vicious anti-Semitic tirade against me (as he is doing right now) before someone threatens to block him, blocks him, or tells him (as i was told for protesting anti-Semitism) "shut the hell up?" Boodlesthecat (talk) 00:10, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reality check

Since you're so fond of links, here's one for you: You've been treating Wikipedia as if were your personal Fight Club to carry on your off-wiki political warfare, enforce your own specific politics, and to harass anyone you perceive as an "enemy" -- the last even to the point of condoning and aiding a long-banned and abusive sockpuppeteer so you can proclaim your own fight against a sockpuppeteer, one who seems to have been driven to it, in part, by your abusive behavior. "Hypocrisy" may not be strong enough a word for it.

As for your paranoid and authoritarian "warning" on my page: 1) I read and comment on WP:AN/I and WP:AN all the time -- the last time I checked, I had 505 edits to WP:AN/I and 299 to WP:AN -- so the part about "following" is pure nonsense. In fact, given that you've gone and commented about comments left by others on my Talk Page, I'd say any "following" is going on in a different direction. 2) Having you reach for WP:NPA -- that handy, all-purpose shield against criticism -- in the SAME posting as "your personal, irrational, and childish grudge"[2] shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the policy you're claiming to cite. 3) You're in no position -- legal, assigned, managerial, ethical, or even moral -- to be giving out warnings -- first or final -- on other users's behavior. None. Going by the block above, perhaps the opposite.

Given all the contradictions between your strident claims and your actual behavior, I'd say that this page might be helpful reading for you. --Calton | Talk 00:44, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just to be fair, Calton, you have until my block is over to provide evidence of my

"condoning and aiding a long-banned and abusive sockpuppeteer"
"using wiki to carry on my off-wiki political warfare"
How a serial sock puppeteer whose began his puppet career over a year before I ever edited opposite him "was driven to it, in part, by my abusive behavior."

as well as apologize for that convoluted and largely incomprehensible rant you just spewed above, or you will be #2 on the complaint list after WebHamster. I'm starting to feel like a freak magnet. Boodlesthecat (talk) 00:52, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if your edit summaries are like, "Is every freak [...]," then yes. seicer | talk | contribs 00:55, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Edit summaries should accurately and succinctly summarize the nature of the edit." Didn't know they had prognostic properties as well! Boodlesthecat (talk) 01:11, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

and the best part is....

i'm still blocked for being such a mean mean meanie to this lovable fella. Hehe hehe, zat's a hoot! Boodlesthecat (talk) 01:25, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

boodlesthecat, I think you realise you have support, but don't push it with this new section. Just be glad you won the day with minimal damage. David D. (Talk) 01:38, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, guess i got a little bored stuck in my cage while all the other kids get to play :). Boodlesthecat (talk) 01:40, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, may be you could read a book? There is life outside the computer :) Besides it's not that long to wait. David D. (Talk) 01:46, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

no can't read a book--they don't like us doing that at work :) Boodlesthecat (talk) 01:48, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tawana Brawley

I see what you mean. I'm not going to be around much for the next few days, but I'll help out when I have some time.

In the meantime, you might get some support at WP:BLP/N. The editors there have stepped into a couple of edit wars over BLPs and cut out WP:OR, WP:SYNTH, and other slanted material. — [[::User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] ([[::User talk:Malik Shabazz|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|contribs]]) 05:03, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Glad to help and glad you thought I did help. I need to take another look at the article, too. It's understandable that some material would be hard to find - it may be better to look for the topic in books or journals, as I'm sure the case has been reviewed, both near the time and later, for what it seemed to represent about race issues - which also changed over time with the investigation and conclusions of the grand jury, etc.--Parkwells (talk) 14:44, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

48 hour block.

I have blocked you for 48 hours for this edit, in the context of your being repeatedly warned -- and blocked -- for insinuating antisemitic motives to other editors simply because they disagree with you. Your comments are a slur on Cla68. If you immediately apologize to him, I will consider unblocking you.

If you instead decide to continue a campaign of incivility on this talk page, I will protect it. Your behavior is unacceptable. You will moderate it. Nandesuka (talk) 05:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I endure days of attacks, abuse, nastiness and incivility and an anti-Semitic personal attack (all because I had the audacity to bring to the attention of this community a vile disruptive anti-Semite) which gets ignored, yet when I respond to someone who is accusing me of "baiting" this vile racist, I get blocked--again! This double standard is ridiculous--I have endured reams of attacks, countless (as you call them speculative "insinuating" about my "motives" on every noticeboard discussing this racist that I--and none of you--dealt with. All for what? Sanctions, blocks, anti-Semitic innuendo? Sorry, Nandesuka, I'll take the 48 hours. I can't in good conscience accept your offer. Boodlesthecat (talk) 06:05, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Boodlesthecat (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

egregious double standard--see below

Decline reason:

Declined. Other editor's behaviour does not excuse your own. Your inability to refrain from defining those who disagree with you as anti-Semetic is completely tendentious. — Black Kite 11:51, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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I have endured days of insinuations, abuse, personal attacks, incivilities, accusations, as if I'm some sort of punching bag on boards all over Wikipedia discussing the case of the racist holocaust denier Elias Alucard (who I brought to the attention of the community). Yet my every syllable is microscrutinized, with admins lining up waiting to pounce within seconds and throw blocks my way--especially Nandesuka, who this time acted within 45 seconds. This is an absurd witchhunt--all because I exposed an actual disruptive, vile character (who a disturbing number of editors are actually defending.) This is Kafkaesque. Boodlesthecat (talk) 06:13, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your bad behavior does not excuse anyone else's bad behavior. No one else's bad behavior excuses yours. We are all, in the end, responsible for our own choices. I am sorry that you had to endure suffering at the hands of Elias or other editors. That makes it all the sadder that you see fit to inflict similar indignities on others. I hope you change your mind about not apologizing, but in the end the choice is yours. Nandesuka (talk) 06:16, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, Nandesuka, obviously the choice is yours. Like Cla68 (who actully owes me an apology) you ascribe to me some magical mind control powers that force people to act as they do. Just take responsibility for your own actions thank you, and I for mine--but please don;t insult me by insinuating that i am forcing you to stalk my every syllable and pounce within seconds. And your insinuation that my actions ("indignities") are anywhere comparable to a vicious, Jew hating, racist is beyond insulting. I'd like an apology for that. It's smacks of Alucard's "Jews are the real Nazis" slander. Boodlesthecat (talk) 06:25, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since you are unable to resist insinuating antisemitic motives to yet another editor -- this time, me -- I am protecting your talk page for the duration of your block. Normally I would revert egregious abuse such as your last message, but in this particular case I want any reviewing admins to understand why I felt this step was necessary. Nandesuka (talk) 07:37, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tawana Brawley

In case you wouldn't see my response above:: Glad to help and glad you thought I did help. I need to take another look at the article, too. It's understandable that some material would be hard to find - it may be better to look for coverage of the topic in books or journals, as I'm sure the case has been reviewed, both near the time and later, for what it seemed to represent about race issues - opinions of which also changed over time with the investigation and conclusions of the grand jury, etc.--Parkwells (talk) 14:44, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bleep

Well Boodles .... thanks for your input on the Bleep article . I also am wondering why I continue to try and make things work over there. Thanks for you great sense of humour and steady awareness of policy.I've tried everything to bring some kind of focus so that we can at least move on but today all I got was insulted so have to think seriously about continuing. Anyway love your sense of humour, and a picture is worth ....(olive (talk) 19:39, 2 March 2008 (UTC))[reply]

I'm sorry to see that you are leaving Bleep . We really need as many people as possible who know and understand policy over there. I'm not sure how the article can ever progress. Anyway your light was big and I'm sorry it will be "out" on Bleep.(olive (talk) 23:18, 2 March 2008 (UTC))[reply]

I think there is an explanation in this new study on about wikipedia, note the relative lack of coverage on WP in literature vs. geeky stuff. I think Wikipedians' behavior is a general reflection on the aesthetic sensibilities of it's dominant editor mindset. Boodles, you are a brilliant humorist and always on the mark, please drop by Bleep once in awhile and don't let the scientistic's get to you... WNDL42 (talk) 04:04, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have to ask, I looked at the figures (especially figure 3) in that article and it didn't seem to show a relative lack of coverage on WP in literature vs. geeky stuff. How did you come to this conclusion? David D. (Talk) 06:18, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi David. I was looking at Fig. 1, page 432 of the Journal (which is pdf page 4), specifically at x-axis categories "B", "L", and (especially) "P" (literature), on which topic Wikipedia reflects less that half of what the outside world in general reflects. Thanks for asking...is there a talk page somewhere where we can discuss further? WNDL42 (talk) 14:59, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You might want to look here. I don't know if it's discussion about the articles themselves, or about listing the articles. Boodlesthecat (talk) 15:16, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I saw figure one but was not sure how to interpret that. The problem is that literature is inherently about publishing books. So it should be no surprise that the number of literature articles is down compared to the real world number of books. History is way up, is that more geeky or more like literature?

I the active number of edits per page, which was similar, seems to be a more accurate reflection of tha activity on wikipedia, or vandalism :) Especially given there are roughly the same number of literature 10% vs science 13% articles in the set they studied. David D. (Talk) 16:03, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you present a valid alternative hypothesis. I for one am working now on a different topic, and I could use some help. David, Olive and (especially) Boodles, can you look at a new article I just created on "Lzip". It's critically important that this article be in shape for nomination as a "feature article" on or before the first of next month. I hope you will join me in this monumentally important event in the ongoing evolution and refinement of Wiki-culture. WNDL42 (talk) 16:56, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ANI thread

Can you come back to here if you have the time or interest please. I need to get some more views on what I think continues to be a complex case of conflict of interest by this editor - and whether this should just got to the Wikipedia Foundation now rather than us trying to deliberate it further. Thank you.--VS ^talk 10:34, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I understand that Calton has been harassing you, along with a number of other users. I would like to file a joint complaint with the arbitration committee against him, as he is clearly abusing other users and repeatedly violating the rule against personal attacks. Please join me in this important effort to help clean up wikipedia. Lirath Q. Pynnor (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 19:35, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I understand how the system works, or rather, how it doesn't work; what I'm suggesting is that we file a joint-complaint, with both of our names on it, and perhaps the names of some other people we can find since Calton seems to have been harassing quite a few people. It'll be harder for them to simply ignore a request with multiple complaintants. I also suggest you join the review which is a good [censored] forum for discussion of Wikipedia's inherent flaws. Lirath Q. Pynnor (talk)

I noticed that your user page has been vandalized and blanked; with your permission, I would like to revert it to your previous edit, as you do not deserve to be victimized by such unwarranted censorship. Lirath Q. Pynnor (talk)

I'm amazed at how 'special' some of these darling little admins are; its like they have nothing better to do with their life than try to decide whether putting booooooooooooooodles on your user page is appropriate or not. I suggested to Calton that he might be more productive if he started a collection of lint. Lirath Q. Pynnor (talk)

Allegation of Duke being a Neo-Nazi

Duke once wore a Nazi suit when he was a teenager and has never been part of a Neo-Nazi organization. That hardly warrants mentioning him in the opening paragraph as if he were a major proponent of the ideology. Also, he has renounced Nazism several times, including in his book -My awakening- and has compared Israel to Nazi Germany when he has strong feelings of antipathy for Israel which suggests antipathy for Nazi Germany as well. --Spitzer19 (talk) 21:11, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

3RR

Warning

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 02:49, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

On the face of it the page you mentioned appears to be a case of sockputtetry and as such a breach of 3RR. It appears a bit to coincidental that the users and IPs spring up with very smiilar edit summaries as well. I've made a comment similar to this on Will Beback's page. BigHairRef | Talk 04:43, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest you await the result of the checkuser, whilst I don't have a problem with being on your side as far as 3RR is concerned, given that I don't have access to the textbook cited I'd be hesitant to include it per WP:BIO, at least for now. Taking neither side I'd let the IP have this one for now as I'd be unwilling to continue to revert based on vandalism as it's possible he may have a point, even if he's going about it wrongly. BigHairRef | Talk 04:50, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen the talk page but as I said it's a personal thing (for me), unless you've got some particularly compelling reason for nailing Duke to the wall (not that he needs any more anyway) I'd wait untill it's shown the IP is a sock. BigHairRef | Talk 05:03, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've tagged the various puupes with my suspicions. If you want to include it in the checkuser or anything else that should be fine. I'm not going to keep an eye on the page tiself (Neo-Nazism) but I will be watching the various talk and user pages. BigHairRef | Talk 05:16, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think I'm your man for the last message you left me, I'm not an admin so I cant do anything about it, I'd suggest that wither using RfC or Mediation (personally for now I'd suggest the former) is now the best bet. AS s I said before I'm not going to keep an eye on the page itself, enough people already seem to be doing that, I will be watching various editors but no more. BigHairRef | Talk 21:03, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked 24 hours

For edit warring on on New Force (Italy), you have been blocked for a period of 24 hours. After the block expires, please attempt discussion before reverting. Any further reverts after the block will result in additional blocks of increasing duration. - auburnpilot talk 21:29, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I discussed how this user's edits constituted malicious POV pushing and false claims in detail here, and I ceased reverting and asked the offending editor and likely sock puppeteer to revert himself. Dont worry, I wont bother reverting if blocking admins can't take the time to review a situation and simply throw blocks around at people trying to keep POV pushing sock puppeteers and vandals from disrupting articles. Boodlesthecat (talk) 22:19, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There are very specific exceptions to the three revert rule, all of which can be found within Wikipedia:3RR#Exceptions. Maintaining an article's neutral point of view is not one of those exceptions, as that is entirely related to content (one person's view of neutral is another person's political bias). While reverting a banned editor or a user evading a block is an exception, not a single one of the editors who you claim to be socks of the editor who you were reverting, have ever been blocked. In other words, your edits do not fall within the exceptions of the rule, and constitute edit warring regardless of the time frame. So before accusing people of placing blocks without reviewing a situation, assume some good faith, as I assure you I don't place blocks on a whim. - auburnpilot talk 00:04, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The three revert rule always applies unless you are one of the people who gets to apply "ignore all rules". At that point, you can denounce "wikilawyering" and just ban anyone you want while endlessly reverting them. Sorry you didn't get the memo on that. Sometimes, in fact, you can get banned for violating the three-revert rule when it wasn't actually a revert; life is curious like that when you live in a [censored] society. Lirath Q. Pynnor (talk)

Al Sharpton

Good catch. I missed that one. — [[::User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] ([[::User talk:Malik Shabazz|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|contribs]]) 22:31, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

The CAMERA complaint at WP:COIN needs more specifics

Hello Boodlesthecat. I have been looking at the complaint about Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America that you filed at WP:COIN. Since I saw that this concerned the Middle East (a notorious venue of trouble and disputes that are impossible to resolve) I have been dreading having to analyze this one seriously. However, if there is going to be a serious discussion at COIN, probably you should try to add some diffs about the promotional edits. Otherwise people will just go ahead and regard this a 'political' issue about which nothing can be done. We need very specific evidence of violations if we expect to get admins to take it seriously. One option is to designate a specific set of COI-affected editors who we request not to touch the CAMERA article. That would certainly take a lot of evidence, since it most cases we don't have proof of COI, we just have the record of past edits that may be considered promotional in nature. Someone has to go and dig up those edits, if you expect the COIN report to get any traction with administrators. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 20:25, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The CAMERA COI was dealt with efficiently, and the rest of it was swept to archive

Boodles, I went to the trouble to write some thing at AN/I, but when I went back to check something, it was gone. Here is my post that will never get there (not yet fully ref'd/checked).

Whoa, hold it, get rid of the personal information. Deal with the ‘conflict of interest’ stuff where and how it is supposed to be dealt with. There are serious and provable issues here. To my mind, the guy has shot himself in the foot, out’d himself and further disgraced the organization in the process. I am an involved editor; independently I had noted some ‘socky’ things happening between Gni and the ‘68’ anon address. Had I seen CAMERA in the ‘Who-is’ that I checked (but didn’t do a page down), I would have been here sooner on my own; sorry I am late. My POV is different from Boodle’s, but our views of NPOV are similar.

Gni has unmitigated gall to be the first post here (except for the personal-info thing). He has committed serious Wiki-no-no for considerable time and over a broad range of subjects for one single purpose. Not all of his edits are invalid (that will take a very long time to check), but he should be censured/sanctioned/banned, whatever the wiki-word is. His most disingenuous comment however is, “And it should be clear to neutral observers, based on my edit history, that it is hardly my sole or primary purpose to promote a person, company, product, service or organization.”

Zealot, hypocrite and unsuitable POV-editor are the closest, most descriptive, yet civil, words that I can come up with. Yet, I can define Gni’s ‘single person, company, product, service or organization’ all in a single, hyphenated word. It is, in fact[] the specific word that he keeps trying to expunge from Wikipedia. The word is “pro-Israel”, and I will let CAMERA speak for itself, [3], because, frankly, it has nearly been impossible to NPOV it here.

Welcome to the Middle East, people. If editors here can not see the broader implications of the continuing POV’d offensive on the core values of what Wikipedia is supposed to be, then we are well past being characterized as ‘three blind men and an elephant.’ This is a specific case where Wikipedia could take a big step toward leveling the NPOV playing field concerning the I-P conflict. When incidents like this arise, especially at AN/I or similar lofty heights, I look to administrative editors to make honest, fair, but bold decisions to put a stop to it. Unfortunately and frankly, what I too often see is the ass-end of an ostrich, with its head in the NPOV sand. It must be a 'forest for the trees' kind of thing. Respectfully,

That he was able to start and finish that case's life on the page without one colon in his last post, seems very well designed, quite unfathomable, almost unbelievable. Regards, CasualObserver'48 (talk) 09:23, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

CAMERA

I know you haven't violated any policies and did the right thing bringing the issue to COIN. But this Gni fellow seems to have identified you as his enemy in this matter. Granted he hasn't been forthcoming in the matter, but I figure I'll give him some rope and see what he does with it. We all know precisly what an RFCU will come back as, and rather than it be a you v. him situation, I'd like to move it to several people (me, Ed, some Jewish-expert editors, and you) all upholding our principles and trying to show him its not a random feline (pardon pun, couldn't resist) who wants him to alter his style, but rather that the entire project insists on it. MBisanz ^talk 06:36, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And, just to predict how things will proceed. Tomorrow several Anon. IPs will begin editing the article to push the CAMERA POV. If you could come to me or Ed, I know I'll revert and protect the page for some time. Possibly the edits will be centered geographically enough that a CU can be brought in. We all know what we'll see, and I'll have to use the buttons. MBisanz ^talk 06:40, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Though Gni's identity has been fairly confirmed in a COIN report, more probably isn't needed. Nonetheless, here he said he would look for founding CAMERA documents and then five days later they were posted on the CAMERA site. It becomes hard to believe that someone who has sockpuppted around a 3RR ban from the CAMERA office for edits on the CAMERA article would claim to know nothing about e-mails from the group. It is also worth noting the timing of the events. --68.72.34.126 (talk) 14:11, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can I ask for your help...

With this and this? BillyTFried (talk) 04:33, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks it also seems I will have more ridiculous behavior to deal with from our plebian-hating friend Calton with him trying to remove the quite notable fact that Nader has called for impeachment from Nader's article. BillyTFried (talk) 04:30, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes he did. That's why I wrote that Nader's the only current candidate who did. BillyTFried (talk) 01:06, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, you're probably right. I'll just leave it for now and see how things develop. BillyTFried (talk) 02:59, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Racism in the United States

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Racism in the United States. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Uncle Milty (talk) 00:29, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are the only editor who seems to have a problem with the "poorly sourced" contributions. Perhaps there needs to be more of a consensus among editors on this opinion. Uncle Milty (talk) 01:36, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

2 things: It doesn't appear to be "poorly sourced," and you have also developed a pattern of deleting content that doesn't coincide with your point of view. Please review Neutral point of view. Uncle Milty (talk) 01:44, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see nothing wrong with any of those references. The one you seem to dislike the most (Loompanics) includes 26 references of its own in that article. It's your opinion that these are "weak sources." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Uncle Milty (talk • contribs) 02:10, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, wanna go in halves on this stub?

J Street
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7349371.stm BillyTFried (talk) 00:45, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Heh! Guess it's not a stub anymore! Ya snooze, ya lose I guess! :-P BillyTFried (talk) 18:28, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of review

Please see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/Statement re Wikilobby campaign for the conclusions of an administrative review concerning the recent controversy over a mailing list run by CAMERA, in which your editing was discussed. -- ChrisO (talk) 22:24, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies

After reading Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents/Statement_re_Wikilobby_campaign I'm sorry I suggested going easy on Gni last month at COIN. You were 100% right and a block for him was the right answer then, and now. MBisanz ^talk 23:53, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A World Without Jews

All I want to do is give this name in the lead paragraph, indicating that that's the name under which Marx's writing(s) were popularly know in the United States or English-speaking world. I am not making any claim as to their scholarly value. This is the only book form of the text. It must be the cause of the view during the on and after 1959 that Marx was an antisemite. Now you found what appears to be an obscure 1958 imprint, with no showing of the exact title, .... You can complete the list of identification deficiencies. I certainly would want to examine this book (for my personal scholarly evaluation). I thank you for this great find. However, not that it goes against your position, I'm sure you know what I mean.

By Karl Marx, Helen Lederer

Published 1958

Hebrew Union College – Jewish Institute of Religion

Jews

84 pages

Cheers! And thanx. Ludvikus (talk) 19:09, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Again, see the article talk page. The "A World Without Jews" was and is obscure, and it is not "the cause of the view during the on and after 1959 that Marx was an antisemite" as you claim. It was an obscure claim by one author that attempted to make that claim, partly by giving a false title to Marx' article. As I pointed out on the talk page, this was not the first time the claim that Marx was an antisemite was made. Cheers, Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 19:52, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish question

I figured out what you meant. Please look more carefully at what I'm doing. I think you were recless at best at removing my Distinctions & probably did not check everything out. Please look before you leap. Cheers. --Ludvikus (talk) 20:13, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm trying to minimize the confusion you are creating. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 21:00, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Jewish question (disambiguation)

You probably are unaware of the discussion currently going on at the above. Feel free to express your views there anyway you wish. But I think your probably unaware, fully, of what's going on. --Ludvikus (talk) 20:20, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish disabilities

Unfortunately, Wikipedia has not Disambiguate this term. But it has a scholarly, non-pejorative, usage, which just means all the legal restrictions which Jews inherited from the middle ages. --Ludvikus (talk) 14:38, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but that's an extremely archaic usage which I doubt has ever been used in the last 150 years. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 15:04, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're absolutely wrong!: Disabilities (disambiguation). --Ludvikus (talk) 15:08, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you just added that disamb 5 minutes ago--that's hardly proof of anything. Do you have any sources where the term is used in modern times? Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 15:13, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pick up Any scholarly book on Jewish history (written by a scholar, & someone who knows how to write in English, not someone who uses "goy"). Read up on any good work on Jewish emancipation - Any! This is the Technical/Legal word for the idea. --Ludvikus (talk) 15:19, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Look here:

18 Brumaire

You got me on that one, I think. I didn't realize it was a "historical even" Article. But that's Wikipedia's fault for not Disambiguation. It's still an ugly title, though: 18 Brumaire. --Ludvikus (talk) 02:35, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe you should read articles before you edit them. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 16:08, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Eighteenth Brumaire (disambiguatuion)

Just created this! Will you help me out on it? Cheers. --Ludvikus (talk) 02:45, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So, are you going to help me out with the DAB??? --Ludvikus (talk) 02:56, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lederer, Helen

Here's the online library card catalog listing of Hebrew Union College – Jewish Institute of Religion

Record 1 of 1

You searched Class 01 - Title: On the Jewish Question

AUTHOR Marx, Karl, 1818-1883.

TITLE On the Jewish question / Karl Marx ; translated by Helen Lederer.

PUBLICATION Cincinnati, OH : Hebrew Union College-Jewish Institute of Religion, 1958.

DESCRIPTION 42 leaves ; 28 cm.

SERIES Readings in modern Jewish history

NOTE Cover ti.

NOTE On rectos only.

SUBJECT Jews - - Legal status, laws, etc.

SUBJECT Judaism.

SUBJECT Jews - - Politics and government.

SUBJECT Jews - - Germany - - History - - 1800-1933.

SUBJECT Germany - - Ethnic relations.

ADDTL AUTHOR Lederer, Helen.

--Ludvikus (talk) 04:00, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation Revisionism

Why don't you want the page DAB ed? --Ludvikus (talk) 12:14, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Which one are you talking about. I can't keep track of all your reckless and disruptive editing. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 13:35, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please be nice. I respect you. It is WP policy.
Also, it's useless - you are too general about exactly, specifically, what you are complaining about.
You seem not to know what WP:Disambiguation is. Please learn it. I simply now want all these pages WP:DABed. --Ludvikus (talk) 14:17, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you "want" something, discuss it on the appropriate talk pages. And actually, you are not respectful. You are quite rude, and you often have no idea what you are doing. If you continue creating confusion on multiple pages, I will bring it to the admin board. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 14:29, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not Reverting anything - so there's no Edit War. As I told you, I want to go by consenus! You think it's obscure - I don't. What's your problem? How many editors agree with you right now - tell me that, will you? --Ludvikus (talk) 19:51, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly Ludvikus! Boodles is claiming Jap sex slavery is some undeniable historical fact, but there are plenty of cultural POV assumptions in his argument. -WikiSkeptic (talk) 18:11, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't use racist expressions like "Jap" on my talk page. In fact, in general, don't come to my talk page to post bullshit. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 18:17, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, as the article Jap clearly indicates, Jap is not a racist expression outside the US and Canada. -WikiSkeptic (talk) 18:22, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since I have written 0 words on Wikipedia about Japanese sex slavery and war crimes, the request still stands--please don't post bullshit on my talk page. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 18:35, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Some news--Wikipedia is not a battle-ground. It is not a forum for personality clashes. Please respect NPOV. -WikiSkeptic (talk) 19:05, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed move

Would it be better if we talked here a bit? (I do remember your call for "Mercy" on my behalf - that was nice of you.) --Ludvikus (talk) 16:47, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the five books.

That was very productive. But you got me into trouble when you wrote that I should write to the publisher. I picked up on that and said I would write to the Library of Congress inquiring about that Subject classification. And Mr. Shabazz picked up on that. So please don't be sarcastic with me - it can be counter-productive. You are a reasonable person with whom I can have a conversation. But that other person just generalizes and provokes. What I would like to ask you is if you can find in books the earliest usage of the phrase Revisionist Zionism. Thanks for your consideration. --Ludvikus (talk) 09:54, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why don't you spend the time doing research yourself instead of proposing changes before you have information. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 14:33, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But I do have information. None of the older scholars use the term Revisionist Zionism. And it's a Discussion page on improving the article.
How do you feel if I started a List on different authors use of the word Revision in relation to Zionism and Israel? Would you support my effort? Or would you move for Delete? --Ludvikus (talk) 14:49, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would definitely not support you, or any of you continually disruptive efforts. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 15:01, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

3RR

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Ghetto benches. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. --Poeticbent talk 18:31, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Respond to the issues on the talk page, rather than carrying on a POV pushing edit war. thanks. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 18:32, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Manners

Please remove the "onanistic spree" comment. Truth isn't always helpful in these situations. --jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 16:36, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RfC

Hello, you are aware that if you want to file a user conduct RfC, you first need to actually write up the page for it, right? That would be Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Ludvikus. There used to be a page there, but it was a very old and apparently aborted attempt at an RfC that was apparently never filled out and filed properly. Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:17, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, please re-word your summary in the listing page in a more neutral way. Thanks, -- Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:18, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No personal attacks, please!

While I'll readily agree that User:Ludvikus has been problematic, please remain civil. Your tone here is clearly impolite and may only get you in trouble. To answer your question, Ludvikus probably means edits such as this one. I agree with you that the revert was warranted, but posting those lines in the first place wasn't nice, either. Huon (talk) 23:28, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop engaging this user. It's only exacerbating things unnecessarily. - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 20:14, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is best left to admins. Nothing is really going to get him to change, but allow him to do himself in all on his own. Baiting him with threats, real or not, is not helpful, and can be seen as equally uncivil. Remember that we do actually want everyone to contribute, especially if we disagree with their opinions/views. This provides a greater opportunity for an overall neutral point of view. - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 21:06, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Again, I would strongly suggest that you defer to administrators (especially those involved), and report to them the user's uncivil actions instead of responding in kind, or chastising him for it. Remain as dispassionate and neutral as possible regarding content-related discussions. - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 21:25, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

With regards to User:Ludvikus I suggest that you refrain from editing his/her talk page until such time as his/her editing status changes. If you have concerns about sockpuppets etc then either notify WP:ANI, or let one of the administrators who have recently commented on the Ludvikus's talk page know about you concerns. --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 22:45, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Answer

Because as Poeticbent wrote earlier, it is hardly neutral. Please respect NPOV Alden or talk with Alden 21:45, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But this quote from a book isn't neutral, so I deleted your editions. And please about don't revert my edition. Alden or talk with Alden 21:50, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Harassment

You have started a harassment campaign against Greg, hiding behind BLP (even though it was not violated), and than you started to disrupt the Fear article, now including a 3RR violation. If you continue such a disruptive behavior, as I told you earlier, it is you who will find yourself in trouble.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 22:04, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is this really necessary? Such things won't help us get towards a resolution to this matter. And I'm troubled by your comment that there was no BLP violation. As an administrator, you are charged with (among other things) enforcing BLP, and for an editor to accuse a living person of "masquerading as a son of Holocaust survivor" is a pretty blatant violation of that policy. For you to not only ignore that comment, but restore it and threaten another user who deleted it is puzzling. Gamaliel (talk) 22:20, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

May 2008

You have been blocked from editing for a short time in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for violating the three-revert rule. Please be more careful to discuss controversial changes or seek dispute resolution rather than engaging in an edit war. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below.

3RR on Fear: Anti-Semitism in Poland after Auschwitz, per a complaint at WP:AN/3RR. EdJohnston (talk) 01:05, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

{{unblock|1. There is no 3RR violation--these are different edits to entirely different sections of the article, not the reversion of the same material. I have avoided reverting violating 3RR on any section of the article, despite the obvious attempts by a team of editors to provoke a 3RR violation. And as the history shows, while editors were showing up out of nowhere to join the gang blind reverting provocations, I was urging discussion on the talk page. 2. The editor who brought the complaint is an admin who is heavily involved in a content dispute on that article, who has made questionable use of admin authority to issue bullying thrats and to restore clearly problematic BLP material. see here for the ongoing discussion and the article talk page here 3. The admin bringing the 3RR complaint has been reverting clearly reliably sourced material (representaitve quote from a book in an article ABOUT that book) while pushing poorly sourced, negative material about the book. See the article history and talk page for this admin's involvement in this article. 4. refer to the article's recent history and the talk page, for examples of the hostilities and threats I've encountered trying to address basic POV and BLP issues in the article, eg [here].}}

I haven't looked very deeply into this, but from the 3RR report, only two of the four cited diffs contain the same content. The other two are totally unrelated. -- Ned Scott 03:48, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My point entirely. This isnt even close to 3RR. thanks for weighing in. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 03:50, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see a WP:3RR violation, but the block log states "Edit warring: Per a complaint at the 3RR noticeboard", which appears to be true. Jauerback^dude?/_dude. 03:52, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Above it says the block is for violating 3RR. The "edit warring" was orchestrated by the heavily involved admin (Piotrus) who filed the inadequate 3RR case in the first place--check the article edit history, including 2 reverts by a compadre of his (Alden Jones) who never edited the article before and magically arrived to support his POV. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 03:56, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict)Well, you can still get blocked simply for edit warring, even under 3 reverts. If you haven't directly violated the 3RR, make an honest effort to discuss more than revert, you'll make a better impression for the reviewing admin. I've gotten pretty swept up in these kinds of things myself in the past, and have also gotten blocked for edit warring. It's understandable that it happens, but for you to be unblocked you'll need to reasonably convince the reviewing admin that you can learn from this and improve how you handled the situation. Even if you're completely right about what you're editing in the article, they don't look very fondly on any kind of edit warring. Like I said, I know first hand how frustrating these kinds of things are, but you're more likely to win the debate in the long run when you're able to make a strong argument on the talk page and get support there before making the edit. -- Ned Scott 04:00, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article talk page, including my RfC, and the links I supplied above contacting other admins about this problem demonstrate my efforts to involve others in resolving this. However, a team of edit warriors working in concert managed to pull this off. I received no warning about edit warring; just a bogus warning above about my supposed "harassment" of the most egregious protagonist (a warning and a 3RR case issued by an admin heavily involved in the context dispute--a no-no for admins. as for the edit in question--it was realiable sourced info (which there is a developing consensus in agreement about) that was deleted by these edit warriors, without a valid explanation. They reverted ME. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 04:07, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looking in context, I think the block was excessive. There has been a good deal of improper behavior there and on its talk page from various parties, and I do not get the impression they are being treated equally. I've asked the blocking admin for a reconsideration of this block, and might be willing to unblock tomorrow myself. DGG (talk) 06:24, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll do it myself. This is not a good block. --jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 06:25, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s):

Time served.

Request handled by: jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 06:27, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey boodles, sorry to see you were blocked. Glad to see it's resolved now - just as I was posting this, edit conflict. I hope you notice that there are no fewer than three editors, myself, DGG and Gamaliel defending the usage of such quotes. Some unasked for advice - just try to be a bit more patient - once it was up on BLP, lots of sensible people took an interest, and there was a lot less to worry about for reasonable contributions getting removed because of past problems, so even the tiniest appearance of edit warring is unnecessary and counterproductive. Perhaps there may be a language problem. Some of the arguments don't make sense to me. I'm not sure people are reading the article right, there are several ungrammatical and incomprehensible sentences in it too. Cheers,John Z (talk) 06:40, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

User notice: temporary 3RR block

Regarding reversions[4] made on May 21 2008 to Fear: Anti-Semitism in Poland after Auschwitz

You have been blocked from editing for a short time in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for violating the three-revert rule. Please be more careful to discuss controversial changes or seek dispute resolution rather than engaging in an edit war. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below.

The duration of the block is 96 hours. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 21:45, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Boodlesthecat (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

The edit history clearly shows an orchestrated edit war being conducted, with no action taken against one side, while I have been blocked twice. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus, who is deeply involved in this dispute, has been misusing admin powers in a dispute he is involved in by filing two 3RR's against me, while ignoring the violations (including 3RR) of those who support him. His 3RR complaints are faulty as well, pretty much randomly listing any edit I make to the article as part of an RR series. I request this block be lifted AND that admins give attention to the concerted gang edit warring that Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus is leading

Decline reason:

This request does not contain any reason why your block violates our blocking policy and should therefore be lifted. Misconduct by Piotrus, if any, is not such a reason, because he did not block you. Misconduct by other users, if any, is similarly not a reason to unblock you. — Sandstein 22:08, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Fine. You have been notified about the bullying gang thuggery of this admin. Deal with it if you want. I am not going to waste time being battered by a gang of cyber thugs who have hijacked a string of article that they claim ownership of, and who use outright lying and Jew baiting attacks to intimidate other editors with. It's really not worth my time. Have fun with it. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 22:14, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Boodlesthecat, you need to slow down a little. There were occasions today I would have reverted edits, but you reverted them before I (or anyone else who might have been so inclined) had time to act. You would not now be blocked if you gave other editors time to get involved. Savlanoot. Malcolm Schosha (talk) 22:25, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Boodlesthecat (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

No 3RR warning was given. For my part, while a gang of editors were blindly reverting and deleting material they didnt like, I had filed 2 RfC's and have actively been trying to enourage talk page discussion of their edits, asking repeatedly for justifications for their reversions and deletions per Wiki guidelines and policies, commenting on their talk pages but have largely been met with stonewalling and abuse by these editors, while Piotrus continues to misuse his admin authority by unblocking the page, even though he is the main instigator of the edit warring and reversions.

Decline reason:

I'm not sure you need a warning at this point. You are certainly aware of the existence of that policy. Furthermore, though you have been pursuing dispute resolution procedures, doing so does not exempt you from 3RR. Its not an either-or thing. You should pursue dispute resolution, while not reverting the article. This is true even if you believe you believe your version of the article is the right one. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 02:52, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Engel Article

Hi again. Since you added that quote from the Engel article, I thought you might have it. Could be useful as a scholarly, and (I'm guessing) positive assessment of the book, and I thought it could be very constructive if you told everyone a bit about what it says when you get back. There's some discussion of it on the talk page, mainly a discussion of its (obvious) reliability.John Z (talk) 22:44, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi John--the Engel article is a perfectly reliable source per WP:RS; I'm not sure why anyone would question it's reliability. It's a far more reliable source than the self published review from an obscure "think tank" that gets a lot of space currently. the David article is used to source the quotes from "Fear," I specifically used the David article to source the quotes so as to have a reliable source stating that the quotes are representative of Gross' thsis, and not just a random quote that I pulled. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 02:12, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Of course I agree. When you have an ironclad case - like that of the Engel article being reliable, its usually better to just let other (usually very few in number) people say what they want for a while to blow off steam, there's no chance that they could win on that point. I just wanted to know what else Engel had to say, particularly about that quote; what positive, negative or nuanced things it said could be useful in making the article less of a battleground. That quote naturally causes strong emotions in many editors and should be treated with some delicacy. I noticed a Jewish-Polish event where Gross says that Polish anti-semitism wasn't different from any other antisemitism[5] and another recent event where he and Lipstadt had to restrain the audience that wanted them to be more anti-Polish![6]. If it inflames passions so, there is little surprise the article is hard to get right and neutral.John Z (talk) 03:09, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I understand the book upsets some people--maybe they shouldn't be editing the article if it upsets them so much that they keep trying to literally censor Gross' thesis? Engel describes Gross' quote as a "summation of his basic thesis."

Some other quotes from Engel:

"Gross may be on the mark when he argues that what made Jews unwelcome in postwar Poland was neither their facile identification with the hated communist regime nor their reputation for using the blood of Christian children for ritual purposes."

"Some of Gross’s critics have detected in this thesis a collective indictment of Polish society no less severe and unwarranted than the one they sensed in Neighbors.13 His argument might, however, be seen just as well as mitigating the force of the harsh judgments that the 2000 book invited in some quarters."

"For scholars, of course, the question is not (or ought not to be) what Gross’s work implies about the merits of Polish culture or the ostensible moral character of the Polish nation. Believing that it (or any other piece of historical writing) can tell anything at all about such matters (or about the character of any other human group) requires postulating the existence of some transcendent, eternal essence that shapes all individuals constituting a group at any given moment"

"Instead, readers would do better to ask whether Gross has proven his thesis sufficiently to compel acceptance. Clearly he has not; indeed, in the framework of a relatively brief “essay in historical interpretation,” intended no doubt from the outset to be less exhaustive than suggestive, he could not have done so. On the other hand, the thesis cannot be dismissed a priori, for historians’ understanding of the issues Gross has raised in his book is still far too crude to warrant any immediate determination. Indeed, Gross may yet prove his case."

"In other words, Gross may be on the mark when he argues that what made Jews unwelcome in postwar Poland was neither their facile identification with the hated communist regime nor their reputation for using the blood of Christian children for ritual purposes. But if ethnocracy was the principle that guided many Poles’ thinking about the place of others in their society, fear of losing wartime material gain or of exposure of collusion with the Nazis appear similarly tangential considerations. The main problem with Jews may well have been that they were simply not Poles. Anticommunism, religious prejudice, avarice, or aggressive feelings toward victims may have exacerbated tendencies toward social ostracism, but so far there does not seem to be any compelling reason to believe that any of these supplied their most fundamental motives."

"On the contrary, interpreting the reception of Jewish Holocaust survivors in postwar Poland largely as a manifestation of ethnocratic convictions extending back in time several decades before the Second World War helps clarify why—as Gross has established convincingly—significant elements of both the postwar regime and its most vehement opponents found the thought of a continued Jewish “civic presence” in Poland intolerable, why they expressed their abhorrence in the quite different ways that they did, and why at least some of what they did appears to demonstrate a measure of continuity with earlier episodes in the history of Polish-Jewish relations." Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 03:46, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!John Z (talk) 04:44, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, the comment on the talk page that "albeit we should note that he (Gross) is a historian of Jewish, not Polish history - which will give him a certain bias" says more about the editor who made the comment, and the ethnic bigotries which seem to have subsumed discussion of the article, then it does about Gross. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 16:01, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 week in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for violating the three-revert rule. Please be more careful to discuss controversial changes or seek dispute resolution rather than engaging in an edit war. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below. Scarian ^{Call me Pat!} 11:49, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Boodlesthecat (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Please refer to the 3RR notice. There is no 3RR violation. The report clearly chows that the last 2 edits were completely disfferent, and were in fact to remove offensive antisemitic conspiracy theorizing being inserted into the article. Note as well that this is the second time that Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus, an admin heavily involved in edit warring on the article in questiopn, has filed a fabricated 3RR report against me as a tool for his edit wars.

Decline reason:

You are under a misapprehension about the 3RR: you do not get to revert any article more than 3 times in a day, regardless of whether the reverts are the same or not. Just because your reverts were different from each other doesn't mean that you didn't break the 3RR. Given your long history of 3RR blocks, you ought to have known this. Mango juice^talk 13:45, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Request reason:

Again--there is no 3RR violation. The last two edits listed on the 3RR report, namely this edit and this edit were to remove fringe antisemitic conspiracy theorizing from the article that was offensive. It is ridiculous to be penalized for removing Jew baiting garbage from an article. refer to [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ghetto_benches&curid=13611367&diff=215509747&oldid=215477148 this explanation for the antisemtic insertion in to the article, where the Jew bating editor claims the edit is valid because "it shows Jewish stance against Poland." Is this the sort of antisemtic claptrap editing one gets penalized for removing?

Decline reason:

The only exemptions to the 3RR rule are for BLP violations; removing undisputed vandalism and posts from banned users. You have only just come off a 3RR block and there go again... Honestly, you need to learn to leave well alone. If you can't your next edit warring block will be your last. Please take this seriously. — Spartaz ^Humbug! 16:12, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia's Jew Hater Infestation

Tired of fighting with antisemitic keyboard warrior putzes. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 16:23, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hang in there girlfriend. This, too, shall pass. 198.172.207.48 (talk) 00:49, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reverts

My advice is not to get into an edit war over that one sentence that is not of much importance in the article. I saw it before, but did not revert it because I decided it is not worth the fight. You can always return to it later. But please do not risk another (longer) block over something not of central inportance to the article. Savlanoot. Please. Malcolm Schosha (talk) 22:10, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Fear" article

(You wrote)
Rather than edit war and rather than falsely claim you didnt remove reliable sourced material discuss your issues on the talk page. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 18:46, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for fixing it. I appreciate that. Please read my comment at the article's Talk page. --Poeticbent talk 22:28, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Żydokomuna reference in history of Jews in Poland

Please explain why you think this link is not necessary. Żydokomuna is an article about antisemitic phrase, used mainly by antisemites, explains the roots of the phrase, why and where it was used. I don't know why you think it should be removed. Do you think blood libel link should be removed too (it's also describes antisemitic phenomenon) ? I invite to discussion on talk page. Szopen (talk) 14:57, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, not anti-semitism related :-P... but don't you think this should have its own article?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=pedialyte&fulltext=Search

Instead of redirecting to Oral rehydration therapy where it is not even mentioned by name?

Gatorade has its own page. BillyTFried (talk) 06:55, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

here by accident, but yes, there should be multiple specific references.DGG (talk) 09:40, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Haaretz

I have not revert it but edited it according to a new reliable source that I have found. http://www.mondotimes.com/1/world/il/235/4739/12153 I find it after our discussion and it was different that the orevious. Checked it. Please this is not the three edit rule since I have found a new source.Oren.tal (talk) 17:17, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop trolling the internet for sources to push your POV. The majority of reliable sources describe Haaretz as "liberal." Please leave it alone. Thanks! Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 17:19, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am not trolling,this is reliable source and it is enough.I don't care that you will mention it as liberal as well but it is still left wing.Oren.tal (talk) 17:31, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, you have found only one minor source that says "left leaning" while you ignore all the sources that say "liberal". That is trolling. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 17:52, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

first I find more the one that say that it is left wing.In fact it was mention before me in the discussion.Second Haaretz cab be both liberal and left wing.There is no contradiction.I made it to mention both.Oren.tal (talk) 16:23, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why are you so obsessed with this. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 17:28, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors. Thank you. --neon white talk 16:02, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

tags make no sense--please discuss on talk page and suggest improvements

And writing on the talk page also makes no sense, because you don't read it.Xx236 (talk) 12:31, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Deleting reliably sourced information and instigating edit wars.

Please do not insert POVed, disputed, contradictory and likely incorrect information, as you did here, simply because you like it. Please discuss on talk why you think that information is appropriate there. Please do not accuse others of ethical misconduct as you have done on my talk page. As an Wikipedia admin, and a college employee, I assume good faith towards others, even towards anonymous editors with no known qualifications, and expect at least as much courtesy from them.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:12, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh please. It's reliably sourced and disputed by YOU--take it up with the editors of the journal if you have a problem with it. And if you continue to behave unethically, I will continue to point it out to you. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 19:15, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As I've explained, I dispute your interpretation of this source. If you continue with your personal attacks, don't expect me to respond to you other than to ask for another sanction to be applied to a disruptive account (as in the past).--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:24, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What interpretation? It's taken directly from the source. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 19:47, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't care if you have a source for moon made out of green cheese. Gazeta Polska was not an organ of the Polish government, it was a newspaper supportive of the government. There is a clear difference, and if Celia Stopnicka Heller is mistaken in her book [7] it is no reason for us to reproduce her error.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 20:15, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You REALLY need to stop deleting scholarly information that you disagree with. If you have sources that dispute it, supply it. YOU are not a reliable source. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 20:25, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Holocaust in Nazi-occupied Poland

Just wanted to remind you to be careful about WP:3RR. — [[::User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] ([[::User talk:Malik Shabazz|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|contribs]]) 20:41, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Fear

I've spent some time looking through the book and trying to find this conclusion but failed. Can someone please provide exact citation and page number of where he writes it ? In the epilogue, Gross accuses the Poles of their indifference in the face of the Holocaust but I couldn't find a statement that they "participated in the Nazi effort to annihilate the Jews". I expect this is a misinterpretation. --Lysy^talk 20:47, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In line cit to the ref has been added. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 20:48, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Still, it's not a proper ref. Who is the author of this text ? Gross does not say this in his book. --Lysy^talk 21:04, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's the Piast Institute. I don't consider them terribly reliable a source, but other editors strongly do. They are a Polish American organization, and pretty obscure. I have no problem with you providing an alternate summary from the book. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 21:09, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mind if we attribute the citation ("according to Piast Institute ...") ? I think they were careless in their words selection. It's not my intention to whitewash the Poles but I'd like the article to reflect what Gross really says in this particular book. --Lysy^talk 21:14, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's probably better to use another source that offers a summary (there are many reviews in major newspapers). I think most readers will say "Who is the Piast Institute?" They are very obscure, and their information is self published on their own website. Although they claim it is from a "symposium" there is no indication where this "symposium" took place or who participated. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 21:19, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not fond of writing wikipedia articles based on newspapers. I'd prefer all the cited opinions to be clearly attributed. Here I'm also a little bothered that we do not even know the name of the author of the summary. Was it a historian ? Or a webmaster who read (?) the book ? Not everything that appears on the web is necessary notable. I'll try to rephrase the sentence a little bit, hope you'll accept it. --Lysy^talk 07:02, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked for 24 hours

Boodles, I've blocked you for 24 hours for violating the 3 revert rule on History of the Jews in Poland. If there are persistent issues with that article and/or with other editors on that article, might I suggest that you ask the Mediation Cabal for assistance, rather than edit-warring? -- ChrisO (talk) 21:23, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Piotrus instigated the edit warring, reverted at least as much as I did, and followed his usual pattern of edit warring in order to instigate a 3RR (assisted once again by Greg park avenue who magically appears on cue as usual to add strategic reverts) rather than civilly and professionally discuss content. This is sad behavior from an admin, and sad that it is continually tolerated. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 21:28, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've increased the block to 48 hours and blocked you from emailing because you've decided to make attacks against other editors using the wiki-email system. Ryan Postlethwaite^{See the mess I've created or let's have banter} 21:43, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yea I suppose I shouldnt have emailed. Maybe I should become an admin an organize a gang of POV pushing cyber bullies. That seems to be allowed. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 23:14, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar

		The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		For going to the mat against a cabal of POV-pushing Polish chauvinists. — [[::User:Malik Shabazz\|Malik Shabazz]] ([[::User talk:Malik Shabazz\|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz\|contribs]]) 19:55, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

a cabal of POV-pushing Polish chauvinists - isn't antipolonism the same as antisemitism? Tymek (talk) 02:04, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually no. Look them up. A good dictionary will explain the difference. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 02:08, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would say it is. Or perhaps some people are more important than the others. Tymek (talk) 02:10, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How so? Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 02:12, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mediation

Full Protection

Hi, I have organised for full protection to be applied to that article for three days due to the intense edit warring and content disputes. «l| Ψrom3th3ăn ™|l» (talk) 14:24, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi just a quick note reminding you to refrain from personal attacks, especialy whilst mediation is occuring as this will often become a heated debate (though my job is try to and keep it cool). Also I have heard alot about you incivilty, im not hear to jusdge but I think it would be productive if you apologised to Piotrus for calling him a dick via email. «l| Ψrom3th3ăn ™|l» (talk) 17:03, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Impartial Mediation

I was actually waiting for you to bring that up, in short, I am impartial and I was merely being friendly and positive to get an objective out the way (Piotrus wont edit the page). Piotrus could probably argue that im favouring your side by organising the full page protection you thought would be usefull. So as you can see Mediation is about getting people to come to the table, however this may require playing both sides from time to time. I hope you understand :-) «l| Ψrom3th3ăn ™|l» (talk) 17:24, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Judaism Newsletter

Worship of the Golden Calf

**Now with 200% more Jewishness!**
Yes, folks, we're moving on up. This newsletter is now the newsletter for both WikiProject Judaism, WikiProject Jewish History, and WikiProject Kabbalah. In the future, I may split them, but for now I think we'll be just fine with one. As always, any questions or comments should be directed to me, L'Aquatique.
A Special Dispatch
Just a note, not aimed at anyone in particular. By order of the administrative cabal, it is officially not cool (and possibly dickish) to call someone an anti-semite when they aren't being anti-semitic. Anti-semitic is a very charged word, and it's important only to use it when you're absolutely sure it applies, lest it become the subject of a Godwin-esque law. Remember Hanlon's Razor: never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
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Read the sources

The Polish death camp issue is someone's original theory?? Excuse me but why didn't you read the sources in the article especially this Adelaide Now article before you vote delete. This is a serious issue with Poles and I can't blame them when someone calls Aushwitz a 'Polish death camp' when it was built and run by the Nazis who came from Germany. Artene50 (talk) 09:27, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I read the source (a newspaper article). It reports "Warsaw points to references to "Polish gas chambers" or the "Polish concentration camps" in world media as evidence Poles are wrongly portrayed as collaborators with the Nazis in killing Jews." The article is called Polish death camp controversy. Again--where is the controversy (read the definition of a "controversy")? A controversy implies two sides who disagree. Where is the other side? Where are the sources that show people who actively disagree--i.e, where are the people saying "no, they should be called Polish death camps becuase the Poles collaborated"? There are none--hence, the "controversy" is manufacured, and hence not encyclopedic. The news quote can be included in any number of other articles, but to give it its own article is to validate an unsourced conspiracy theory. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 14:56, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank for your message on my talkpage Boodlesthecat. I would just say that this 2006 BBC article also shows that it is not an original theory--the Polish government also had serious issues about it. Its all about perception here unfortunately. It is certainly notable--or else it would not be in this BBC page. Cheers, Artene50 (talk) 19:25, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As an Aside, this is a message by the American Jewish committee where they explicitly apologise for the use of the term 'Polish camps.' [8] It might be of interest to you. Artene50 (talk) 19:56, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not saying that the issue is non-existent, i'm saying that there is no controversy. There is one instance where Canadian TV didnt change immediately because they felt the usage was standard. But they retracted anyway soon after. Where is the controversy? It all seems one-sided--pit forth by the Polish government and some who propose a conspiracy to discredit Poland. But they can point to no conspirators! Btw, according to the source you provided, the AJC didnt "apologize," they issued a diplomatic statement in support of Poland. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 23:18, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your reply. I would say that your objections are grounds for editing the article of any conspiracy laden issues and perhaps changing its title but not outright deletion. I admit the article is primarily written from a Polish perspective. It may not be a controversy if you are American, British or Russian, but it certainly would be for the Poles who suffered major population losses during WWII themselves. Well it was nice corresponding with you. Cheers, Artene50 (talk) 02:29, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure there are plenty of people who are concerned about the issue, and its a real issue. I'm just questioning it having its own article--its already fully covered in Anti-Polish sentiment. This just becomes a fork to present the views of a government, which is not encyclopedic. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 13:36, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He's baaaaack!

Permanently banned sockpuppeteer and POV-pushing hostile online stalker FOC Griot has returned to making dubious edits to Matt Gonzalez, Ralph Nader's presidential campaigns, Ralph Nader presidential campaign, 2004‎, User talk:Griot and other pages.

From admin Moonriddengirl "Seems like a matter for Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser or Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets, though I don't know what, if anything, would be done about it. I suppose checkuser might confirm if Griot edited from those ranges before (or might have already done; I'm not reviewing the last checkuser). But I don't think a rangeblock would be forthcoming, as it would quite probably affect a good many more users than Griot. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 11:38, 11 August 2008 (UTC)"[reply]

I told her those are his ranges, and I'd let you know. Thanks, 76.87.47.110 (talk) 21:16, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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 *Thanks for your reply. I would say that your objections are grounds for editing the article of any conspiracy laden issues and perhaps changing its title but not outright deletion. I admit the article is primarily written from a Polish perspective. It may not be a controversy if you are American, British or Russian, but it certainly would be for the Poles who suffered major population losses during WWII themselves. Well it was nice corresponding with you. Cheers, [[User:Artene50|Artene50]] ([[User talk:Artene50|talk]]) 02:29, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 ::I'm sure there are plenty of people who are concerned about the issue, and its a real issue. I'm just questioning it having its own article--its already fully covered in [[Anti-Polish sentiment]]. This just becomes a fork to present the views of a government, which is not encyclopedic. [[User:Boodlesthecat|Boodlesthecat]] <sup>''[[User talk:Boodlesthecat|Meow?]]''</sup> 13:36, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
+==He's baaaaack!==
+Permanently banned sockpuppeteer and POV-pushing hostile online stalker FOC Griot has returned to making dubious edits to [[Matt Gonzalez]], [[Ralph Nader's presidential campaigns]], [[Ralph Nader presidential campaign, 2004‎]], [[User talk:Griot]] and other pages.
+From admin Moonriddengirl "Seems like a matter for [[Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser]] or [[Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets]], though I don't know what, if anything, would be done about it. I suppose checkuser might confirm if Griot edited from those ranges before (or might have already done; I'm not reviewing the last checkuser). But I don't think a rangeblock would be forthcoming, as it would quite probably affect a good many more users than Griot. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 11:38, 11 August 2008 (UTC)"
+I told her those are his ranges, and I'd let you know. Thanks, [[Special:Contributions/76.87.47.110|76.87.47.110]] ([[User talk:76.87.47.110|talk]]) 21:16, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

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