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2) The article is just a tiny bit casual in style, and maybe slightly more "academic" verbiage would be better in places. |
2) The article is just a tiny bit casual in style, and maybe slightly more "academic" verbiage would be better in places. |
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3) Maybe there could be a lengthier description of the battle in which Sabinus and Cotta perished along with an entire legion? This is relevant since it reveals Ambiorix' tactical cleverness. |
3) Maybe there could be a lengthier description of the battle in which Sabinus and Cotta perished along with an entire legion? This is relevant since it reveals Ambiorix' tactical cleverness. |
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It was the tribe of the Nervii who claimed Germanic ancestry according to Caesar. However you are quite right and people just weren't Celtic or Germanic just because they lived on this or that side of the Rhine (Rhenus in latin). Both sides were influenced by each other. Some belgae tribes probably did came fro the other side o the river to settle in what later became Belgica. However I think descriptions from Caesar make me believe that the Eburones were more Celtic than germanic orientated. The leaders bear Celtic names (though it wasn't rare for Celts to rule over a more germanic people, the Boii are a fine example of that. Of course this changes gradually as the germans get more powerfull), the way of fighting resembles more to the celtic ways, Eburoni being a celtic name too,... Either they were a celtic tribe influenced by germans, or they once were germanic but adopted celtic culture (and richness). |
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On another note perhaps the article should mention the fact that he lead the eburoni, not just some tribe. |
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== Grammar and Puncuation == |
== Grammar and Puncuation == |
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Revision as of 15:27, 16 August 2008
Various points
Generally a very good article, but I'd like to raise a few points. 1) You say Ambiorix' name means "rich king" and is of Celtic origin though the Eburones are a Germanic tribe. The Eburones were part of a federation along with many tribes which were mostly Celtic. Now I assume that you take your view of the Eburones as being Germani from Caesar, who claimed (I think) that the Belgae had Germanic ancestors. However, some historians have viewed this as a propaganda: Caesar needed an excuse why he was entitled to intervene in Belgica (which, after all, did not pose a threat to the Roman provinces of Narbonensis and Gallia Transalpina), and claiming that the Belgae were related to the dreaded Germani (who, thanks to the Cimbri and Teutones, were a popular bogeyman) seemed like just the thing. Generally, tribes like the Eburones, Treveri, Usipetes etc. may be called Celtogermanic or Germanoceltic; they dwelt in a region where cultural influences mixed. For example, chief Indutiomarus of the Treveri bears a Germanic name, but participated in a Gallic uprising (suggesting that he viewed himself, and his tribe, as Gauls). So maybe there ought to be some discussion of this. (Just a short phrase; the article, after all, is about Ambiorix, not about the Eburones.) 2) The article is just a tiny bit casual in style, and maybe slightly more "academic" verbiage would be better in places. 3) Maybe there could be a lengthier description of the battle in which Sabinus and Cotta perished along with an entire legion? This is relevant since it reveals Ambiorix' tactical cleverness.
a response to the above posted message: It was the tribe of the Nervii who claimed Germanic ancestry according to Caesar. However you are quite right and people just weren't Celtic or Germanic just because they lived on this or that side of the Rhine (Rhenus in latin). Both sides were influenced by each other. Some belgae tribes probably did came fro the other side o the river to settle in what later became Belgica. However I think descriptions from Caesar make me believe that the Eburones were more Celtic than germanic orientated. The leaders bear Celtic names (though it wasn't rare for Celts to rule over a more germanic people, the Boii are a fine example of that. Of course this changes gradually as the germans get more powerfull), the way of fighting resembles more to the celtic ways, Eburoni being a celtic name too,... Either they were a celtic tribe influenced by germans, or they once were germanic but adopted celtic culture (and richness).
On another note perhaps the article should mention the fact that he lead the eburoni, not just some tribe.
Grammar and Puncuation
I am going to slowly begin changing punctuation and improper grammar throughout the article. The article is well written, just needs some tweaking. peace Nathraq (talk) 20:39, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
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i wonder if the caption, under the statue, shouldn't be changed. something like 19th century depiction by so and so, 19th century sculpture 68.161.90.253 (talk) 16:02, 22 June 2008 (UTC)