Talk:Welcome to Our Neighborhood

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Comments

Just commenting the intro says more than the article itself... and it is not even a B-class article... Nergaal (talk) 04:06, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Articles do not need to be assessed as B-class before being nominated for GA. We nominated it for GAN because we believe it is as comprehensive as it is going to get. I'll work on the introduction a bit; I'm sure some can be moved to the body. Gary King (talk) 04:32, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Actually, the article is organized this way because if all of the information in the intro was also again mentioned in the body, then it will be repetitive because of the close proximity of the content. Some of the information, such as the list of music videos, is shown in list format in the body but in prose in the lead, so it isn't a problem. Gary King (talk) 04:35, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Since it is a video, what about runtime, cast? Also, use the official website to add a bit more. Nergaal (talk) 04:50, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

or this Nergaal (talk) 04:50, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Slipknot-metal and Opium of the People, are not official sites, or reliable sources. It's good info, I'd like to use it, but we need a better source. Blackngold29 04:57, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah neither of those sites are official or reliable, they are fan sites. You also ask for the cast and runtime? The runtime is in the infobox and the "cast" is in the (wait for it) "Personnel" section, lol wtf? REZTER ^TALK ø 18:27, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Welcome to Our Neighborhood/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

On first glance, this seems to fit the criteria of GA. Give me a little time to go through it. —Mattisse (Talk) 20:50, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

• You can't describe what the "additional concept imagery and interview footage" included? What it was about or what it contributed to an understanding of the band and its music?

• Upon consulting with another editor over the brevity and incompleteness of this article [1] I feel that currently this article does not meet the requirements of GA because it contains no reliably sourced information on the critical reception, impact, oimportance of this release. With more work, if this album is notable, there should be such well-sourced information available to include.

Therefore, I must fail this article as a GA. —Mattisse (Talk) 14:25, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

I think your reasoning for failing this is bullshit, tbh. Look at the project other work... we go out and LOOK for sources, write up good and featured articles and when we tell you there isn't any more information available... you should believe that. It's like you think we've been lazy just on this article and thought "yeah that'll pass"... this is NOT the case. There are no more reliable sources. End of. REZTER ^TALK ø 17:56, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

(outdent) Please understand that I am not saying that you were lazy and did not work hard. Perhaps the subject is not notable enough if there is not reliably sourced information available.

As stated in reasons not to pass an article for GA: (from Wikipedia:Reviewing good articles)

1. It appears that the article is as good as it will ever get, and will never meet the standards. (Not every article can be a Good article. If the references to improve an article to Good article standards simply do not exist, then you should not overlook that part of the criteria.)
2. The editors of the article have obviously spent a considerable effort improving the article during the Good article review process, and even though it doesn't meet all the criteria, it is much better than it was when it was first nominated.

You are free to ask for a reassessment or a second opinion. I certainly do not want to be unfair to you. That is why I asked for a second opinion, [2] before I failed the article. —Mattisse (Talk) 18:34, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• Addendum: I reviewed this article at the request of Gary King. He participated in a conversation regarding this article when I asked another editor for a second opinion and seened to agree with the result.

This is what I wrote regarding the first article but it pertains to this article also, as the second opinion addressed both articles:

As you know I have had significant reservations regarding this article for GA. You were part of the conversation when I obtained a third point of view on the issue: [3] [4] which supported the view that this article is not GA material and should perhaps be merged with the band article or even AFD. You seemed to agree with this assessment. [5] Therefore, I feel I cannot pass this article for GA on the basis that the article content and references do not support that the article subject is notable, that the article contains little information on the impact, legacy or effect of this demo on the band or anything else, and that the article is so short, even if it does contain all available information. The absence of available information on the subject may merely support that the subject is not notable enough for reliable sources to be available. —Mattisse (Talk) 18:43, 29 August 2008 (UTC)