Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SJ Tucker

SJ Tucker

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Fails WP:MUSIC; self-published on own minor label, no substantial independent recognition. Nandesuka (talk) 22:55, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

• It seems to me that that Tucker may be a "minor" player in the music world, but of more significant note in the pagan world. The NewWitch magazine (cited several times in her article) is a pretty significant one one in the neo-Pagan world. The most recent article mentioned was the cover article for the issue. The WP:MUSIC page lists as one qualification for notoriety: "For composers and performers outside mass media traditions: Is frequently covered in publications devoted to a notable sub-culture." The NewWitch publications seem to fit that bill. Tucker is not a "mass media" type artist, but she is well-regarded in a notable sub-culture. Further, her collaborations with [[Catherynne M. Valente], Alexander James Adams, Gaia Consort, and Incus all add up to certain amount of notoriety. I would also note that the two folks on her Talk page who initially objected to her apparent lack of notoriety eventually changed their minds. -Kenllama/(talk) 03:38, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

• I agree, S.J. Tucker is a fairly significant player in the pagan/festival music world. She is extremely well known on the festival circuit and in the pagan music field; perhaps the article could indeed use more references and links to illustrate this. As Kenllama notes, the sub-culture in which she is well known is significant in size, making this article significant in readership as a Wiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mnutic (talk • contribs) 20:51, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

• Keep S.J. Tucker has appeared multiple times in NewWitch magazine, which is a major Pagan and New Age publication. However, on the more mainstream front, she has positive reviews from the Memphis Commercial Appeal and the Arkansas Times, which are listed by Wikipedia itself as predominate news sources in their region. Those sources would seem to indicate a level of independent recognition even outside her religious/cultural niche. The proponent of deletion claims insufficent independent recognition and self-publishing render Ms. Tucker nonnotable. Self-publishing alone does not render her nonnotable. The article may need to be flagged for a re-write and include more independent sourcing, but deletion is inappropriate. Wikipedia's notability guideline for a topic (has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be notable) is met here, particularly in the case of the NewWitch articles, bolstered by the coverage in the print media of Memphis and Southeastern Arkansas. We are reminded that "Notability is distinct from "fame," "importance," or "popularity". S.J. Tucker is notable; the article should stay. --Parcequilfaut (talk) 21:57, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
  • In addition, I note that this is the second time this year this article has been tagged for deletion with no real reason given. How many times are we going to go through this? What's Wikipedia's policy on articles that are tagged for deletion multiple times, the tag removed, and then tagged again? --Parcequilfaut (talk) 03:15, 7 September 2008 (UTC) (failed to login before, whoops.)

• Keep - references establish notability in the field. It's not just WP:MUSIC (which is a reason to keep things unequivocally, not a reason to remove things) - this is not a robust nomination - David Gerard (talk) 00:09, 7 September 2008 (UTC)