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Flags in Television Infoboxes

Heads-up - I've replied to your post over at the television infobox talk page :). _Talk Islander 16:07, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sissel

hello!

thanks for putting that album cover of Sissel back into the article. :-)

but beware, it will likely be removed again by that wacko Norwegian mod. I don't understand his reasoning, and he is on a wikibreak, not answering anything. he just took off every single image on that page, citing "significance" as the lacking factor. I don't understand that at all.

Significance is such a personal thing; what one person deems as significant doesn't necessarily have to be significant to another person. I say that as long as the image has fair use and a good license, there shouldn't be any grounds to remove it.

cheers! OettingerCroat (talk) 01:23, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gackt image

Hello!

I don't know if you've actually read the summary for the image you removed on that article, but as per the rules of wikipedia regarding the use of album covers, the image fully complies with the guidelines.

Just letting you know!

Thanks!

(Tsukiakari (talk) 06:26, 4 June 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Image tagging

Hi, I noticed you recetly tagged Image:Pain For Pleasure.png as orphaned, when it was only orphaned when you removed it from the article first. It would be fairer to the uploader to state your real reason for disputing the fair use rationale on the image page. Cheers Kevin (talk) 02:26, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Melinda's Backups

Why do you keep removing the link to Melinda's Backups from the Melinda_Doolittle page? We are a pretty significant section of her fans as this page (http://www.melindasbackups.com/enwiki/static/marathon.htm) demonstrates . —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akc42 (talk • contribs) 21:35, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

License tags

I was using "add" as a quick short hand that the tags were compliant. You stated they should not be used because "The logo is being used in the band's article without any critical commentary like the licensing tag states" however, if you review Wikipedia:Logos and the tag, you'll see that "identification", which is the case for these logos, is a permitted use. MBisanz ^talk 04:55, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

...Baby One More Time release dates

Hello Aspects. Nice to meet you and thanks for dropping by. I actually knew about the release date entry in the infobox, that it should only the earliest known release date be added. Since the article only states two release date, which is January for US and Canada and March for UK, I decided to put them all in the infobox. Anyway, it will not crowd much. But for the guideline's sake, I will agree with your suggestion to remove it in the infobox. But since its only two dates, I will incorporate it in the prose, in the preceding section which is very much related. --Efe (talk) 06:58, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Adminship

Hi there, I noticed you on the list of prolific Wikipedians. Would you be interested in becoming a sysop (a/k/a administrator)? It takes a bit of training and a nomination. Bearian (talk) 14:13, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Flagicons in discographies

Hello, you removed the flags from the discographies from Ace of Base, Cardigans and Roxette. I can't really understand what's the problem with using a flag. Other discographies from popular artists like Cher, Katie Melua, Nickelback and so on uses flags as well. If you remove it from this sites than erase it from other sites as well. Otherwise it would be unfair. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andreas81 (talk • contribs) 08:04, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Attention Please: Allegedly Orphaned Images

Hello -

You have removed four images (apparently more - the whole illustrative album section was voided, in addition to the four posted on my user page) I uploaded to the Kingston Trio discography article. These images were uploaded initially a year ago for the article about Trio member Bob Shane, then by me to the article on the Trio itself. Some enterprising editor recently split off the discography from the main articles.

The notice you posted was that these are orphaned non-free images scheduled for deletion. Now, they are orphaned because you removed them from the articles under the rubric of no non-free fair use rationale provided (an oversight on my part on SOME of these) - seems to me that THAT would have been the appropriate tag to put on my user page rather than orphaned non-free.

In any event - first, for several of the covers you removed, the rationale HAS been posted in correct form for each article using the image - for example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Image:Kingstontriosnap.jpg&curid=12317409&diff=222580927&oldid=169793274

for Image:Kingstontriosnap.jpg.

Every one of these covers was in use in at least two articles, and listed as such, which is why your use of the orphaned non-free template is confusing.

Clearly several - but not all of those you removed - of the album covers need simply the insertion of the appropriate template, essentially the same one in use for others from the same source.

So before I begin what can be the tedious work of going through the file histories, templates and rationales for each of the pictures removed, I need to know why you removed pictures that had fair use templates in place, especially for example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Image:Closeupb.jpg&action=history

For Image:Closeupb.jpg - note that Fair use bot removed the non-compliance tag.

or wherein this is deficient:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Turning_like_forever1.jpg

Again, please note appropriate template, permissions, and lack of a non-free alternative.

Please be explicit in your reasons for a) removing all of these images, and b) choosing the orphaned non-free template over the more common (and cordial) simple call for a fair use template. Thank you. Sensei48 (talk) 06:15, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again Aspects

..and thank you for your prompt and clear explanation of the problem, plus my apologies if necessary in misunderstanding your intent.

I have to say that I am surprised by the quoted content of the policy, because a) it must have been one hyperlink past where I read, and b) it was a Wiki sysops who provided me with the Fair Use Rationale Template for the first album cover I uploaded for the Bob Shane article.

That notwithstanding - the section you quoted is:

"The use of non-free media in galleries, discographies, and navigational and user-interface elements generally fails the test for significance (criterion #8). Given below are further examples of images that, if non-free, may fail to satisfy the policy:

  1. An album cover as part of a discography, as per the above."

Fair enough, and clear enough. Note, however, the "may fail," which does not automatically demand the removal of the images in question. In context - criterion #8 - "Images with iconic status or historical importance: As subjects of commentary.' these images do not merit inclusion.

However - criterion #1 deals expressly with this situation - "Cover art: Cover art from various items, for identification only in the context of critical commentary of that item (not for identification without critical commentary)."

It could be argued that what is missing from the article is a critical commentary for the albums in question, and that were such commentary included, fair use would apply, even by higher Wiki standards, discography or not.

I'll be happy to remove these images (and appreciate that you didn't - I needed to revert to an earlier version of the article for other reasons as well) if no acceptable fair use can be established through the editing of the article. Sensei48 (talk) 15:01, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Vonzell Solomon

I don't see why you found it necessary to remove her duet with Billy Preston from the list of Vonzell Solomon's performances on American Idol. It was, as I said, her most memorable performance. Are you an Anthony Federov fan or something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.254.36.130 (talk) 00:35, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I grasp the concept of referring to a person by only his/her surname in an article, however, given that Vonzell Solomon is fairly well know as simply "Vonzell" (in fact, typing "Vonzell" into a Wikipedia search will redirect you to Vonzell Solomon), I consider her one of the exceptions to this rule. Likewise, season three winner Fantasia Barrino should simply be referred to as "Fantasia", Seattle Mariner Ichiro Suzuki should simply be referred to as "Ichiro," and Cher and Charo should simply be referred to as Cher and Charo instead of whatever their last names are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnny Spasm (talk • contribs) 19:29, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey!

You've been followng me around like a bad smell for months now. I can only assume it's just me you're targeting - because if not, then I can only assume you spend your whole life editing and deleting other people's stuff. Ever heard of that - a life? Perhaps you should consider getting one!--Tuzapicabit (talk) 00:26, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Template: Teen Pop

Hi! While I certainly agree with removing the template Teen Pop from articles (I think the template is pretty much useless, and collects spam links), could you leave a reason for the mass deletion on the template's talk page so that people know what's going on and don't go around putting the template back in? Brilliant Pebble (talk) 21:35, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JeannePruettHit.jpg

You must have mischecked the uploader of [1]. While I receive an unusual amount of similar messages, this one was not uploaded by me. I am removing it from my talk page. Regards. Cretanforever (talk) 14:43, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again spects. I moved Image:Mancoloji.jpg to Image talk:Mancoloji.jpg I had started on 15 July. Please do not refrain from sharing your opinions on the status of the image there. The issue is sensitive because, he was a big star for the Turks (*). I am surprised that I am only one who is paying some attention to his page here, at least trying to enrich it with an image, but then most of my countrymen come out only when a battle is won. :) Cretanforever (talk) 15:35, 19 July 2008 (UTC) (*) Barış Manço was the equivalent of...say...Mick Jagger for the British.[reply]

Fantasia_-_When_I_See_U.jpg

An image, which was the When I See U single cover, that I posted on the article about Fantasia Barrino should be able to be displayed under Wikipedia standards. The cover is shown on another Wikipedia page about Fantasia's single When I See U. If an image is already being shown on a different Wikipedia page and there was not any problems with it there, doesn't that mean it follows Wikipedia: Non-free Content rule???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fromagebus (talk • contribs) 21:09, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

User:Tasc0

Seriously, how long are we going to have to put up with this? I have neither the time nor the inclination nor the moral high ground to start official proceedings against him, but I know you're as tired of him as I am. Chubbles (talk) 02:29, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Disocgraphies

Hi Aspects...

I've noticed you've been altering discographies to remove items in boldface. As I understand it, the policy against boldfacing chart positions in discographies is very narrow -- it exists ONLY to avoid NPOV in entries where (usually) only #1 hits are in bold. If, as a design feature, all entries are in bold, then NPOV isn't violated...and boldface does not need to be removed.

More importantly, the changes you're making are ruining the formatting of various discographies. Entries that were centred are suddenly no longer centered, because you've removed both boldface AND centering. The result looks...well, crappy.

So, for the above reasons I'm respectfully asking that you don't make these changes. While I appreciate the time and effort you are putting in to this, I think you've misread the policy you're trying to enforce...

Cheers! 172.163.33.127 (talk) 00:17, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect of Carmen EP

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Cobra Skulls Image

I've changed the rights to the Image:Cobra skulls logo.png image. Please verify and reply to me if this is OK. | Ateo (talk) 16:34, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Flag Icons

I just read over WP:MOSFLAG and I am not sure I understand your rationale for taking out flag icons out of all of these infoboxes. Please explain before making further edits on this as I have a feeling this is excessive |► ϋrbanяenewaℓ • TALK ◄| 13:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I read your response and WP:MOSFLAG and it is completely excessive to go through every infobox and take out the flag icons. This is a perfectly legitimate usage and is one of the key reasons for the flag icons. I would agree that excessive use is unwarranted but to list the flag next to the location of a company is appropriate. I stand by my undo's and would rather have some other input before going back and forth on this.

Also as for undoing if you had done this more slowly it would have been easier to leave detailed comments but I think in most edit histories it is pretty obvious what is being undone.

Finally, merely for decoration in my mind would be something other than what you are talking about in infoboxes. It is longstanding practice to include flags in the infoboxes for companies and people. It needs to be done carefully and in accordance with the MOS but is appropriate.|► ϋrbanяenewaℓ • TALK ◄| 13:59, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Third Party Comment - I have also been looking into this action with concern, since it at least initially appeared to be disruptive, perhaps to a wp:point (not accusing ... just wondering). I found some points that may have triggered the opinion that flag icons should be removed from infoboxes. Some excerpts...

If the use of flags in a list, table or infobox makes it unclear, ambiguous or controversial, it is better to remove the flags even if that makes the list, table or infobox inconsistent with others of the same type where no problems have arisen. see - MOS:Flag - Not in prose
Flags are visually striking, and placing a national flag next to something can make its nationality or location seem to be of greater significance than other things. Emphasizing the importance of ... nationality above ... other qualities risks violating WP:NPOV. see MOS:Flag - Good reason
When a flag icon is used for the first time in a list or table, it needs to appear adjacent to its respective country (or province, etc.) name, as not all readers are familiar with all flags. Use of flag templates without country names is also an accessibility issue, as it can render information difficult for color blind readers to understand. In addition, flags can be hard to distinguish when reduced to icon size. see MOS:FLAG - Include country names.

Note that the last point does not justify outright removal of a flag icon from an infobox. In any case, would like to see justification and reasoning for bulk removals. Thanks! --T-dot ( ^Talk/contribs ) 14:07, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum - I would also counsel that having a short discussion with one or two other editors at the Talk page is not necessarily sufficient justification for a unilateral action to eliminate all flag icons in corporate or other infoboxes, since they are not specifically banned (yet) on the Project page. You need to think about getting buy-in from the community, and changing the MOS itself, so you have a policy or guideline (as it were) to point to, rather than just a short discussion amongst editors. Thanks again! --T-dot ( ^Talk/contribs ) 14:18, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rock music WikiProject

I'd like to invite you to join the newly-formed Rock music WikiProject. There's alot of Rock-related articles on Wikipedia that could use a little attention, and I hope this project can help organize an effort to improve them. So please, take a look and if you like what you see, help us get this project off the ground and a few Rock music pages into the front ranks of Wikipedia articles. Thanks! --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 09:28, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sneakernight cover

Re: this edit. There is no article for Sneakernight, because it was redirected as a result of its AFD. When the single material is merged into the parent album, there is no policy barrier to using the single's cover inside the album article. If there ever becomes a Sneakernight article, the image will have to be removed from Identified, but not before then. I've been going after a lot of the non-notable singles that people have created articles about in violation of WP:MUSIC, and each time I merge, I pull the single cover in. Before you delete an image as violating fair use policies, a bit more research is in order.Kww (talk) 02:38, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

re User talk:Mamasaidnakuout

I replied to your kind note at my talkpage there, but I would advise you I have just checked the above page and note it has been blanked (other than the welcome message) by the editor. I regret that this may mean that they are not going to take this with due regard, and that a sock situation may be more likely. The underlying ip is blocked for 24 hours, but you may find ip's and familiar looking accounts start editing both the concerned articles and your user pages. If so, let me know and if I don't respond quickly take it to WP:AIV with a link to this message for fast action. In the event that this doesn't stop any potential abuse I can semi-protect the articles for a short while and your pages for as long as is required. Please note, my comments are precautionary and these things may not transpire. Regards. LessHeard vanU (talk) 00:37, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Seems to have gone quiet since those last two edits. Hit and run vandal socks are irritating, but manageable; if there is a whole bunch or a persistent one, then we can look to blocks or protection. LessHeard vanU (talk) 08:53, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Corey Franks

Just to let you know, I added myself because I noticed that I was in there. DUH!! If you were a fan of the show you would have known this. I was removed from the show beacusae I was married. You were not allowed to be married in the first season!! I lied on the contract and got so far to top 30, then had to leave cuz my ex-wife was going into labor with my first second child. Do not delete me. Corey Franks (UTC)

Corey Franks

I know they do not list me, that because I left the show and was not voted off. Therefore I was also a liability for the show and was told not to talk to the media...I have the tapes to prove it. Thx for being a fan of the show though!! Corey Franks (talk)(UTC)

Flag icons in birth and death boxes

Why are rules that apply for Wikipedia in english different to those that apply to Wikipedia in spanish and other languages? Flag icons for birth and death boxes are accepted and used in other languages.

McQuicker —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcquicker (talk • contribs) 11:04, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do tell

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