Talk:Green Party of England and Wales

Psephology

General Election results (from Wikipedia's UK general election, 1979 etc.) for the Ecology Party or the Green Party of England and Wales and the Scottish Green Party:

1974-02    4 576 (PEOPLE)
1974-10    1 996
1979      39 918 (Ecology)
1983      54 299
1987      89 753 (Greens)
1992     170 047
1997      63 991
2001     166 477
2005     281 780

– Kaihsu 17:33, 2004 Jul 9 (retroactively signed); amended Kaihsu 21:43, 2005 May 3 (UTC) with 1974 data

European Election results (from Wikipedia's European Parliament elections) for the Ecology Party or the Green Party of England and Wales and the Scottish Green Party Sjeraj 18:17, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

1979      17 953 (Ecology)
1984      70 853 
1989   2 292 705 (Greens)       
1994     494 561
1999     625 378
2004   1 033 093    

Interlaced

European results marked E. – Kaihsu 22:46, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

1974-02    4 576 (PEOPLE)
1974-10    1 996
1979E     17 953 (Ecology)
1979      39 918 (Ecology)
1983      54 299
1984E     70 853 
1987      89 753 (Greens)
1989E  2 292 705 (Greens)       
1992     170 047
1994E    494 561
1997      63 991
1999E    625 378
2001     166 477
2004E  1 033 093    
2005     281 780

Representatives

MEPs (Members of the European Parliament)

2004 - 2 MEPs 1999 - 2 MEPs

MLAs (Members of the London Assembly)

2008 - 2 2004 - 2 2000 - 3

County Councillors

2005 - 9 2001 - 2

District and Borough Council Elections are too confusing! Sjeraj 16:37, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

MP briefly

Who was the MP who briefly represented the Green–Plaid Cymru alliance? – Kaihsu 21:38, 2005 May 3 (UTC)

Cynog Dafis was endorsed by the local Green Party in Ceredigion in 1992. The agreement broke down by 1995 [1] [2]. I believe Green MLA Victor Anderson worked for him until his election to the London Assembly. Paulleake 20:17, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks; I have added this to Wales_Green_Party#History. – Kaihsu 22:58, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

MEP

Wasn't there also a Labour MEP who defected to the EFA a few years ago?

Looks like it was just a Euro candidate: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/events/euros_99/news/364220.stm

Sjeraj 18:33, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

It seems Hugh Kerr sat with the Green / EFA group once he left Labour before standing for the SSP in 1999. As such he wouldn't have sat with any British Green MEPs. [3] Paulleake 20:05, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

vintage photograph from the Oxfordshire Green Party

[4] – Kaihsu 10:47, 2005 May 6 (UTC)

Republic

The article claims that the party wants to make Britain into a republic, but I couldn't see any support for a republic on their manifesto, although one of their chairman is a republican, I think, but it's not party policy. Paj.meister 19:17, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

As far as I remember GPEW policy is to end the constitutional role of the monarchy but not to abolish it, at least that's what I remember from 2005 General Election. Sjeraj 08:44, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it is Green Party of England and Wales policy to abolish the monarchy and have a fully-elected upper house to replace the House of Lords. One of its leading members is Peter Tatchell, who is heavily involved in the UK NGO Republic. I know all this as I am a member and I have worked on policy pages on the Young Greens website. I think this page needs updating on policy - it is not very clear and isn't comprehensive, given that the Manifesto for a Sustainable Society (MfSS) is the biggest policy document of any party in the UK (and I'm sure it's one of the biggest anywhere). Of course, this will all be down with a neutral POV and feel free to criticise/change it! Aled Dilwyn Fisher 18:40, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

It is indeed republican; reference has been supplied. On a side note, Peter Tatchell's views are not always the same as the Green Party's, and, according to his website, he is now a former member of Republic[5].

Of course, Peter's views are not always the same as the GP's - the same could be said for any member. However, as far as I can see, his website does not say he is a former member. It says he "was one of a group of members of Republic (the Campaign for an elected Head of State) who protested outside Buckingham Palace this morning at 11am, as the announcement was made on the Queen's finances" at a very recent demonstration, and he hasn't quit as far as I know. Aled Dilwyn Fisher 12:19, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry. I misread it as "once of a group of member of Republic". Epa101 23:37, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Against economic growth

I put the disputed tag up here. Where does it say this? There needs to be a more specific reference that just to Green Party policy page. I know that they consider other things than economic growth to be important, and that they consider "economic growth" to be too narrowly defined, but that doesn't mean that they're against economic growth. If it doesn't hurt the environment or hurt anyone too much, they're fine with growth.

Although this is not explicit in the MfSS, it is the accepted logical extension of our policy and a common part of Green economics. In policy statements, which can be found on the policy website, it does explicitly say economic growth is not a good thing. I think the sections of the MfSS that talk about a non-monetised economy are generally for steady-state economics, and thus against economic growth. Aled Dilwyn Fisher 12:47, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

http://www.greenparty.org.uk/comment/314 Fifth paragraph here seemed to deny the claim. I'm sure that they're not against improved living standards per se, but just find it hard to consistently achieve them without hurting the environment, hurting communities, plundering resources, etc. 212.159.30.47 14:18, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Formatting issues

This page had become rather jumbled through the recent (and very informative) expansions. I have tried to bring it in line with the Wikipedia:Manual of Style. In particular:

1. I have adjusted the headings to follow the standard format used in Wikipedia, i.e., the first heading level is formatted using two equal signs, and the second heading level is formatted using three equal signs.
2. Words in headings are not capitalised unless they are the first word in the heading, or proper nouns. See WP:MOSHEAD.
3. Other Wikipedia articles are linked only once, unless the article is long, in which case they may be linked again later in the article. There is no need to link the same article several times in the same paragraph. See WP:LINK.
4. Ordinary words are not linked. See WP:CONTEXT.
5. We try not to make the linked passages bigger than necessary, so Dr. [[Ranjit Singh]], MEP , rather than [[Ranjit Sngh|Dr. Ranjit Singh, MEP]].

Regards, Ground Zero | t 22:37, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I changed Caroline Lucas' name beack, in line with these guidelines.
--Gordon 13:49, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Suggested change in wording

Responding to a request to change the wording of this section of article. Also need to double check our current reference to make sure it supports the most up-to-date and accurate details of the change of chair. Suggested change in wording.

From: The previous chair was Hugo Charlton (1998 to 2005), who was removed from the post after nominating himself for a House of Lords peerage on behalf of the party without following the party's agreed selection procedure [7]. Subsequently Cllr. Jenny Jones, AM, was elected to be the party's nominee in the event of the party again being asked, but this was too late for the current round.

To: who resigned following criticism of his nomination to the House of Lords before the Party had carried out its internal selection process.

Finding additional verifiable reliable sources about this incident will help settle which wording is best. FloNight ^talk 19:19, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Proportional representation

I note a statement under "Government":

specfically the Additional Member System (AMS) used in European Parliament, Welsh Assembly and Scottish Parliament elections

Some clartification would be helpful. I believe there are various kinds of additional member system, and not all are designed to produce proportional representation. Also, I believe the electoral system for European elections is now quite different from that for elections to devolved assemblies.
I believe that in elections to devolved assemblies, mixed member proportional representation systems are used (but each is named as an "additional member system" in UK legislation).
Laurel Bush 12:16, 31 October 2006 (UTC).

David Icke

I changed the paragraph on Icke to include the fact that as well as calling himself Son of God, he also predicted that Armageddon would occur in the early 1990's. However I have removed the stuff about Icke believing the world is ruled by alien lizards, Icke said nothing about reptilians while he was a member of the Green Party and only began espousing his bizarre lizard theories in 1999, many years after he left the party. --MarkB79 15:18, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Logo

The Logo's been changed. Is there any rational for this?

The new one is kind of an ugly jpeg. --Gordon 13:50, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

'World's first Green Party' - wrong

"Though many in the 'Club' were wary of forming a political party, the world's first Green party was formed in Coventry during 1973 as PEOPLE"

This is wrong - the world's first Green Party were the United Tasmania Group, established a year earlier in March 1972 - references provided for in the UTG article.

Adam

Thanks Adam. I've now adjusted the statement to indicate it's just one of the earliest.--A bit iffy 12:25, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

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Just corrected the spelling of tony Whittaker's name and removed a reundant C.

Paul R. Ehrlich

There was some confusion over whether the playboy article was on or by Paul R. Ehrlich.

Several sources from Google state he was interviewed in August 1970 by playboy magazine.

List of people in Playboy 1970-1979#1970

http://www.stanford.edu/group/CCB/Staff/Ehrlich1.804.pdf

http://antilifequotes.com/QUOTES/ALPHA/Z.HTM

--Gordon (talk) 23:22, 16 March 2008 (UTC)