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September 15

Chinese Chess Association

Dear Sir,

The email address of the Subject can't accept incoming. How can we find out what International Chess activity there is in Lijiang, Yunnan, PRC?

Thanks, Hong Dao Guang (email removed for privacy) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.161.201.56 (talk) 01:35, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is the help desk for the encyclopedia Wikipedia. We have an article about Chinese Chess Association but we don't have any inside information about them. I don't know Chinese but their website is at http://chess.sport.org.cn/. Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:54, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation key

What is or where can I find the pronunciation key for Zé do Caixão , pronounced "zay-do-kai-sh*w", the last syllable pronounced like shower. Mjpresson (talk) 03:17, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Have you tried WP:IPA? Stifle (talk) 13:58, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It might also be useful to cite the language you think it is in. DOR (HK) (talk) 07:08, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why was this article deleted?

I just looked up Jack Easter (a former australian politician) and it seems the article once existed but was deleted. This log I found however does not explain why the aticle was deleted. Can anyone find out why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.67.238.186 (talk) 06:02, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As the deletion log says, the article was deleted by User:Rebecca, although strangely she didn't leave a deletion reason as is normally done. You should probably leave a message on her talk page to ask why, although it looks like in 2007 she deleted a lot of similar articles that were created by the same user, all of which contained practically no content - basically they all just said that such-and-such was a member of a state legislative assembly, which at the time may have met one of the criteria for speedy deletion. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 06:13, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can't ask her because her talk page seems to be protected. Can you ask her for me? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.67.238.186 (talk) 06:50, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I left a note at User talk:Rebecca. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 11:20, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I took a quick look at the article. From May 2006, to January 2007, the entire content of the article was:

Jack Easter was an Australian politician, elected as a member of the New South Wales Legislative Assembly.

Definitely a lack of notability here. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 19:39, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't that qualify as a valid stub? Being a member of a first-level sub-national assembly may meet notability requirements per WP:POLITICIAN. Admittedly references were missing but that's no reason to delete at this stage. – ukexpat (talk) 21:33, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

elected member of a state legislature is certainly an assertion of notability. I would add that admins who prevent communication by semi=protecting their talk pages are a bit off, in my opinion. DuncanHill (talk) 21:47, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I notice that her talk page has been semi-protected for over 2 years now. I have left a note asking about that. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 23:26, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the delay in getting back here. This article was one of several hundred cookie-cutter substubs created by one now departed difficult user. Many of them were created at the wrong names because the author had no idea who the person actually was; all were useless and contained no new content than what was already on Wikipedia. Thus, the article was deleted because it was useless crud; the person is definitely notable if someone wants to write a useful article on him, and I'll happily point the anon in the direction of some resources if he wants to drop me a line. Rebecca (talk) 10:13, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DO YOU HAVE A SECTION FOR LEARNING / TUTORIAL FOR PRINT LAYOUT DESIGNER IN SAP BUSINESS ONE

DEAR SIR,

PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU A TUTORIAL SECTION FOR LEARNING

PRINT LAYOUT DESIGNER IN SAP BUSINESS ONE .

THIS REPORT IS GOOD FOR SBEs FOR REPORTING / CREATING FORMATS

MY EMAIL ADDRESS : <removed>

PLEASE GUIDE ME

THANKS JANARDHAN —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.206.61.154 (talk) 08:02, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Removed email. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 08:39, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is the help desk for the encyclopedia Wikipedia. You might find what you are looking for in the article about SAP Business One. If you cannot find the answer there, you can try asking your question at Wikipedia's Reference Desk. They will be glad to try to answer questions about anything in the universe (except about how to use Wikipedia, which is what this help desk is for). I hope this helps. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 08:41, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Niqab

Hi, I would like to add a link to the Wiktionary article for the word wikt:نقاب, but the word is enclosed in a template 'lang-ar' which breaks when I try to do that. Could the template b modified to allow links to Wiktionary or maybe to link automatically? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.88.49 (talk) 10:00, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That may be a good idea, but for the moment I made the change in the article by simply manually coding what the template does, which then allowed the link to Wiktionary to be placed: ([[Arabic language|Arabic]]: [[Wikt:نِقاب‎|نِقاب‎]]). Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:36, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. 86.149.88.49 (talk) 10:37, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

account information

some one with the name of -removed-

That sounds like a hoax. Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 14:49, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

olde photos for user page

Hi folks,
Kinda new here.

I've yet to embellish my userpage---indeed there's nothing in it.
I'm thinking of using an old photo I found on the internet.
I got no permission, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was decently deep in the 19th century.

I would also re-touch it a bit.

Wouldn't the copyright have expired, and related issues rendered mostly moot?

Yartett (talk) 15:18, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Should be expired. commons:Commons:Licensing should help more. Gary King (talk) 16:03, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

edit request

Please redirect Grid world to GridWorld--64.251.57.197 (talk) 15:48, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done Gary King (talk) 16:01, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find my article & I haven't received a notice of deletion

I created an article, and clicked 'save changes'

when i typed the article name under search, I was able to find it, and it looked almost exactly as it did in the preview version, however I can no longer find the article I created. Can someone help?

Mecglobal (talk) 17:50, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See Mediaedge:cia and its history page. Another user has redirected it to a list of companies. You should ask them on their talkpage what the reasoning is behind their edit. You might also want to read WP:COI as I have doubts about your username. Regards. Woody (talk) 17:56, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How do I ask them? Sorry, I'm new to this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mecglobal (talk • contribs) 18:07, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cobaltbluetony did the redirect so leave him a message on his talk page: User talk:Cobaltbluetony - click the link to get to the talk page, and then edit to leave a message or click on the "Click here to start a new topic." link in the blue box at the top of the page. – ukexpat (talk) 18:13, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

One more question- Is there a way to add ke words so that your article shows up one someone serached for them? 209.90.47.10 (talk) 18:44, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Any words naturally part of the text will help with searches. Do not add words only to increase the article's exposure, though. It seems like you want to use Wikipedia to advertise your business. — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 19:25, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Querie

My teacher at college said Wikipedia is not an accurate source and should'nt be used for work assignments. Your opinions? --Another US Bank (talk) 18:04, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

She's right and wrong. Wikipedia is an excellent source to find places to look for citations to sources cited within it. In other words, going to a well-cited article on a particular subject can provide a good resource by examining what it cites to—but you should be going to the sources cited rather than using the article itself as a source. She's absolutely right that you should not use Wikipedia articles, or for that matter, any tertiary source, as a direct source. Please see Wikipedia:Researching with Wikipedia and Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia for more information.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:13, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:20070621 Crown Fountain Water.JPG

Is it my browser or is there a problem with Image:20070621 Crown Fountain Water.JPG.--99.158.35.150 (talk) 19:38, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes there was. I reverted to an earlier version. — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 19:51, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

taking a page live

How do I move a 'user page' article I have been working on, onto the 'live' Wikipedia?

I've been reading all the help sections and can't figure out how to do it.

This is the specific instruction I am referring to in your help section:

"Once you sign up, you'll find that you have your own user page. You can make your own area there to start working on a new article; you can get it in shape there, take your time, and only move it into the "live" Wikipedia once it is ready for prime time."

Thank you in advance for your help on this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jzmcgowan (talk • contribs) 21:53, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If the article (or an article with the same name) doesn't already exist, you would go to the search box and type in the name of the article then click on "create the page" and paste the source from your userspace into that page. You should know that a John Fahy article already exists and isn't the same as the your John Fahy. You should look at Wikipedia:Disambiguation for dealing with this. Best, Zain Ebrahim (talk) 22:11, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note that Zain's method, the "copy and paste move", is only legitimate as long as you are the sole editor of the page. In other cases, doing this is a violation of the GFDL which Wikipedia is licensed under, and you should instead do a proper move. When your account is autoconfirmed (currently requiring 4 days and 10 edits), you will see that at the top of pages along with the tabs like "edit this page", "history" and "watch" you will have a "move" tab. For more information see WP:MOVE. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 22:55, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies - I didn't know that. I would have recommended the move but I seem to recall another user who moved his/her userpage (and not a subpage) ended up moving the user talk page as well and I wanted to avoid that nuisance. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 07:31, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is possible to move the user page without moving the associated talk page - just un-check the talk page box on the move page. I have probably nixed a copy and paste by editing the user page content, albeit in a relatively minor way. – ukexpat (talk) 13:41, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Viewing articles in the past

Hello! There's an event going on at my college in which students are given 50 questions to answer using the Internet. It's a competition to see who can answer the most correctly and in the least amount of time. I'm concerned about a high level of vandalism on related articles during the half-hour of the competition. Is there any way to quickly search Wikipedia as how it was, say, the day before? I suppose I could look back in the history, but that could take some time, and there could already be a few reverts that would make it a little more difficult to identify the nonvandalized material. Thanks for any advice!--El aprendelenguas (talk) 23:41, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know of a way to do that but I don't think that vandalism is really a problem for you. It is almost always undone within a few seconds and is usually pretty obvious so if you do come across such an article you would know very quickly. I would say that the chances of an article containing vandalism at the time you access it is less than one in several thousand. - Icewedge (talk) 04:53, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder if your college is really that excited about this competition that they would systematically vandalize Wikipedia to deceive the competitors. Assuming they are going to do this, however, perhaps the best way to do this is to find the article, then pick a random date in the history at least one week ago, or longer if you suspect vandalism has been going on for longer. Do you think they would be vandalizing for over a week? There is also this, though I haven't used it, so I can't vouch for its effectiveness. — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 05:12, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's not the college itself I think might vandalize, but rather the competitors who, to give themselves an edge, might use sneaky vandalism so others get the wrong information. Though, I suppose, it wouldn't take that long to quickly check the history and view an older page (from before the start of the competition).--El aprendelenguas (talk) 21:03, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

September 16

Are press articles subject to WP:REUSE?

If a press article uses Wikipedia content, is the press article then subject to Wikipedia:Reusing_Wikipedia_content (i.e. the press article automatically becomes licensed under the GFDL)? -Malkinann (talk) 01:42, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No reuse is automatically licensed under the GFDL. But if it is not licensed under the GFDL, it may be a copyright violation. —teb728 t c 02:08, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Would the press citing us, if WP were properly attributed according to the requirements of the GFDL, be considered a form of fair use or fair dealing? -Malkinann (talk) 02:12, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use is not primarily about proper citation. Rather it has to do with factors like the purpose or the extent of reuse—like whether it quotes a sentence or a whole article. See the fair use article. Also fair use is not governed by GFDL. But good journalism certainly does require proper citation. —teb728 t c 02:52, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If a press article quotes us a bit and attributes it, could the press call their quoting us a case of fair use/fair dealing and thus sidestep the GFDL requirement to license that press article under the GFDL? -Malkinann (talk) 03:13, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Probably. The law is complex, but the press do this all the time and are unlikely to overstep the line. Algebraist 11:23, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see no reason why a press article couldn't use attributed quotes from Wikipedia. We license our contributions for any use, commercial or non - attribution is the only proviso. We don't gain extra rights to the subsidiary benefits, such as helping a reporter make a better story or helping a newspaper make money. Nor does re-use of our efforts place the other parties added value into the public domain. All we care about is that our contributions (meaning the specific text we've written) are acknowledged. Franamax (talk) 12:15, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Couldn't a press article which cites Wikipedia be considered a "derivative" of Wikipedia and therefore also need to be under GFDL? -Malkinann (talk) 14:06, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(undent) Not really. If that were the case, then every Wikipedia article that includes a quote would count as a derivative work of the original source and thus be a copyright infringement too. As long as it's only a few isolated quotes, with attribution, it's fair use. If, say, half the document is copied from Wikipedia, though, then that's a problem. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 23:31, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Help with statustop Template

Resolved

– Thanks its working now!

Hi, I added the template Statustop to my user page and talk page but it is always showing "Unknown" status at the top. I have never used Java Script before, all I could understand from the documentation of statustop was that I have to create this page and this page. What am I doing wrong? Thanks -Abhishek (talk) 05:49, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My only suggestion is to press F5 to refresh the page in IE or if you use Mozilla then press CTRL+R and it will refresh the page. This will then refresh the server cache and should then help you to display your current status. If it doesnt help then contact the person who developed it. ScribblewikiLover (talk) 12:03, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You actually don't need to create your own copy of the statuschanger script. Just add this to your monobook.js:

importScript('User:Xenocidic/statusChanger2.js');

After that, bypass your cache and you should see the status changing buttons along the top. –xeno (talk) 12:53, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can't sign in, using the correct name and password

It says there IS an account with that name, but the password I wrote down (and normally use) doesn't work, and it won't send a new password because it can't find an email address. Isn't there someway to keep that name? 24.5.23.207 (talk) 06:28, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You didn't specify an email address when you created your account, right? Unfortunately, I don't think anything can be done. What stops me from claiming that I'm the owner of someone's account but just forgot my password and can't get access to the email account either? Zain Ebrahim (talk) 08:05, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As said above by Zain there is no possible way to recover your password because I could say that I owned your account and have lost the password and need it to be sent to me or reset back to the original. If it could be done then I think Jimbo Wales would have a lot of different passwords. ScribblewikiLover (talk) 12:07, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If the account is inactive, then you may be able to put in a request to usurp it. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 23:28, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Simple name differences

Why can't the Wikipedia be designed to recognize simple and human differences in names that are in the Wikipedia. For example, as I have re-checked confiremed, the Wikipedia has an article on Mount Graham, but when I put a link into another article to Mt. Graham, the Wikipedia did not recognize this. This ought to be programmed in universally, and not just on a case-by-case basis. For other examples, everyone knows that Mt. McKinley and Mount McKinley are the same place, and so are Mt. Blanc and Mount Blanc.74.249.93.92 (talk) 07:06, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You can create a "redirect" for common alternative names for a topic. -Malkinann (talk) 07:09, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Or you can ask here for someone to write a short program to do this for all mountains in Wikipedia if there are a lot of them.--85.158.139.99 (talk) 07:26, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Help with the new editing chooser

Hi, I just came on now and found the editing chooser has changed. First I scroll down and choose a range from the new drop down box (like Latin, markup or whatever) but how do I get more than A's in any range? The other was more limited but for more than the starters I'm stumped. Thanks, Julia Rossi (talk) 08:50, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, I just purged my cache and it all looks good to me. (I assume when you say editing chooser, you mean the drop-down box just below where it says "Do not copy text..." - the place where you get degree symbols and such-like) All the old stuff is there, in one menu or another. Purge your cache (ctrl-F5 on Windows), delete temporary files in your browser, maybe reboot - try again. If that doesn't work, just ignore me! Franamax (talk) 09:42, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to have to ignore you now, but tried all that but no change. To make it worse my browser accepted the Greek etc before but now only has vertical arrow thingies as default. Hebrew etc has a default symbol and maybe the A everything is a default too so now I can't insert these alphabets whereas before I could. Is it because I've got Safari on a Mac Powerbook G4? I feel so ripped off! sob! At least I've got wikimarkup but I can do that already. Urnghh. Help! Julia Rossi (talk) 11:09, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

PS is there a developer responsible I can talk to? Julia Rossi (talk) 11:10, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you don't get some good responses here over the next few hours as people wake up, you can also try at village pump (technical) where most of the techies hang out. Post your browser and browser version, the type of Mac and the OS version you are running for best results. There are people there who have every browser possible running. Franamax (talk) 12:22, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And also which "skin" you are using, the default is monobook. (Plus, you don't have to wait for a few hours if you don't want, ask there now). Franamax (talk) 12:24, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much Franamax. Off to the cot now, but will post the details you suggest in the am. Appreciate it. Julia Rossi (talk) 12:29, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There seems to be a related discussion at VPT already. Maybe you should add your voice there and someone might make a short FAQ on how to fix the problem (if it's fixable). Franamax (talk) 22:23, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Really appreciate your efforts Franamax. Found a solution and reported it at VPT here[1] -- hours of downloading an update in other words. +) Julia Rossi (talk) 02:27, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Natascha Engel MP

Hi, a user keeps reverting the Natascha Engel page, which contains citations which are not relevant (for example, it says she attended King's College London and the citation is a link to their German Department homepage which contains no reference of Natascha Engel.)

I have tried editing the page to clean it up a little, improve the language, remove iffy citations, yet the user Lomcevak persists in reverting it back to the one they wrote which contained the iffy citations.

Can something be done about this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fetler (talk • contribs) 10:40, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You could try leaving a message on the user's talk page raising your concerns and explaining why you think the edits are inappropriate. – ukexpat (talk) 13:48, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My user name

I have made an account on en.wikipedia last year. This summer a range of IP addresses (including mine) was blocked, and I couldn't log in to en.wiki. I asked administrator on sr.wiki (my "home wiki") for help, and he made another account for me. Then I have usurped older user name. Since the block has expired, I can now use my old user name, but I can't answer to usurpation (I don't know how to do that). I don't want to change my user name. I am asking for help... --Geologicharka (talk) 10:46, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I put this question on his talk page with a {{adminhelp}} tag. Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 14:34, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll leave a note at WP:BN, as it's a crat issue. Bencherlite ^Talk 14:39, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm unsure what you want to do. You seem to be asking if you can usurp another, not stated, username (enquiries for that go to WP:CHU/U). But you say you don't want to change username, which is contradictory. Please clarify. --Dweller (talk) 14:51, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article ratings

Hi, how do I ask for an article to be re-rated? I have just finished extensive work on a 'start-sclass' article, and I think it could be bumped up a level. Thanks, TheMoridian 13:03, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Go to the relevant Wikiproject's "Assessment" page (usually called Wikipedia:Nameofproject/Assessment) - there will be a section there called "Requesting an assessment" - you then say 'I've just done a number on this article, can someone please reassess it?' and sign your name. Someone will come along and review your article. For some reason, broader projects seem to be better at reassessing. -Malkinann (talk) 13:46, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to edit but....

It seems like the pages I am visiting are all locked. I looked at Dick Chaney and Saudi Arabia and they have a pad lock on them. Do you have any suggestions? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elmmapleoakpine (talk • contribs) 13:17, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Those articles are semi protected, which allows only autoconfirmed users to edit them. To be autoconfirmed, you need more than 10 edits (which you have by now) and 4 days of editing wikipedia. So you'll have to wait four days to edit them, since you created your account today. You can edit other articles though. Cheers. Chamal ^Talk ± 13:24, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You may also request edits to those semi-protected pages by stating your proposed changes on the article's talk page, together with the {{editsemiprotected}} template. haz (talk) 15:10, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Haz. How do I find out what articles need people to edit on them? I think I have pretty good general knowledge to share. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elmmapleoakpine (talk • contribs) 01:24, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry. I also have two other questions. I think I want to try working on my user page first. How do I get all of those descriptive things that you guys have on your talk page and how do I get a signature on my message? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elmmapleoakpine (talk • contribs) 01:28, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind on my last question. I figured it out.Elmmapleoakpine (talk) 01:29, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My page is being deleted?

Hello,

I'm a member of the band Breakout Degree.

We have a page on here (Search "Breakout Degree"), I visited it today to find out it's going to be deleted! I can't seem to contact the Admin (Fabrictramp) for some reason; so I thought I'd ask here.

Why is it being deleted?? :)

Many thanks,

Milo. 195.44.197.132 (talk) 15:04, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article is being deleted because it does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for Notability, specifically Notability (music). I suggest you read through these pages to better understand what subjects make for appropriate Wikipedia articles, and don't hesitate to ask here again if there is something you don't understand! All the best, — QuantumEleven 15:17, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion about deleting your band's article is ongoing at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Breakout Degree. You're of course welcome to join in there and explain why the article should be kept, however it is well worth doing as QuantumEleven suggests and checking through the guidelines before commenting, as you'll need to make a case there. (It is based on consensus rather than the number of votes, so you are expected to explain why the article meets the requirements). Your best bet is to show that your band has received significant coverage in the media - reviews in major newspapers are always really good for this. :) - Bilby (talk) 15:33, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, as a member of the band, you should probably read over the guidelines on conflicts of interest, to avoid bias in creating/editing an article. --Alinnisawest,^{Dalek Empress} (extermination requests here) 18:24, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

editing my page

I recently went on to change something on the site "arlene baxter" which just happens to be me. And when I checked back someone had changed it back and then wrote that I had committed vandalism on my page. I think that is not right. I don't want the site to be all about playboy. So I am not sure why there has to be other playmates names on my page....would you please help me understand this. I also don't think I need my hieght and weight on there...what is the point of that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlene_Baxter that is the link to my page. Is there anyway I can remove some of the playboy content that is not needed....or am I stuck with whatever anyone wants to put on there?

Arlene Baxter —Preceding unsigned comment added by BAxRay (talk • contribs) 16:11, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The point is that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and is not censored. So if there are reliable sources for the information in the article and it is presented in a neutral, non-sensational manner, then it complies with Wikipedia's policy on biographies of living persons. The best place for you to raise your concerns is the article's talk page. Also if there is other material that you think belongs in the article and can be sourced appropriately then rather than adding it to the article yourself (as that would be a conflict of interest), you should also discuss that on the talk page. – ukexpat (talk) 17:17, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, please realize that that is not your page. It is an article that happens to be about you; you neither own it nor have control over what is/isn't on the article. You can edit it if you like (being sure to adhere to the conflict of interest guidelines), but you cannot remove information about yourself simply because you don't want it on the page. --Alinnisawest,^{Dalek Empress} (extermination requests here) 23:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

PDF file-DOD file

To the WIKIPEDIA Help Desk,

I am a DOD employee, and I need to know if I can upload a pdf file to a page that I am working on. The PDF is marked as UNCLASSIFIED//FOUO. Our office would like to make this available through this site. Can I do this?Thanks for any help.CivMarTech (talk) 18:12, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The short answer: No. Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia. It can't be used as a host or a storage site, or as a document host for communal edits and such. See What Wikipedia is not for more info. Thanks, Scotty dude _review 19:19, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If the pdf file is hosted elsewhere, and if it is an appropriate external link (see WP:EL), you might be able to link to it. On the other hand, I notice that you have not created your article yet. Perhaps what you want to do is use the pdf file as the first draft of your article; if so, you would have to covert it to WP:wikitext. In any case, please note that Wikipedia articles must be about notable subjects, supported by references to reliable sources, neutral, and encyclopedic in tone. They are also subject to merciless editing by other editors. If (as I suspect) the article is about your office, please note also that you have a conflict of interest in writing about it. —teb728 t c 20:45, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

On a separate note,since the document is a government document the information it contains is not copyrighted: it is "in the public domain." Therefore, you would not violate the GFDL if you do copy information from the document into a wikipedia page. However, you yourself would be in violation of DoD policy, because the document is marked FOUO. This marking means that the information is "For Official Use Only," and if you publish it, you are in essence allowing anyone to use it for any purpose. Once it has that marking, you cannot release it until someone with the proper authority removes the marking. -Arch dude (talk) 02:04, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've had problems with publish userboxes in my user page... then my page completely vanished!

I've created my user page with some descriptive text & started adding userboxes two days ago. Now it seems like all the data (text & userboxes) got somehow deleted from the database!

Personal detail: i'm a new Wikipedian, also an advanced HTML & CSS programmer, knowing the importance of exact tag/wiki syntax.

I couldn't get many userboxes to show in my [user:Francsois user page], only the language-related ones. I kept saving my user page anyway (since it's written that the sandbox does only temporarily retain data, while i will be out of town for a period ranging from a few days to perhaps over a week). I've figured that it may have been the syntax preventing the userboxes from showing correctly, so i did try zillions of combinations... to no avail. Even with the exact syntax that was published in the userbox directories, it didn't work! (Then i though that one of my next WP interventions would be to update the wrong syntax occurences for UBX.)

At first, my page was still shown whenever i clicked my username > user page... for over an hour while i was working on it & searching for userbox templates. (I had saved it.) And all of a sudden it was not showing anymore, gone. I also can't retrieve it with the "follow-up" list. I was pondering why:

Could it be that since i'm going to work in both the English & French WP projects, i somehow need to know how to link my user page to the specific projects/languages i'll be working on/with? (If so, tutorials do lack some important info. Plus, i somehow doubt that i had to do this, since my page is not showing on either addresses: English, French.
Or else, could it be that when some wiki syntax is erroneous the page may get deleted by some server/admin?

(If so, wouldn't i get any "page blocked/deleted notice"? And why can't i access it at all?)

Or else, could it simply be either a bug or a temporary server disruption?

I'm a little weary of my participation now because of this problem. But i'm still wishing to contribute to this "grand" project! Thank you in advance for your helpul insight. --Francsois (talk) 18:40, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it appears that you haven't edited your user page at all (see here.) In fact, it does not appear that you attempted to edit any page with that information (in error or otherwise). Furthermore, it doesn't appear in the deletion log as having been deleted. We're you logged in when you tried to edit your userpage? Perhaps you were logged into your French account but forgot to log into your English account when you tried to edit here (or vice versa). Sorry I couldn't be of more help, perhaps someone else has something more... Scotty dude _review 19:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

According to Special:Contributions/Francsois, the only pages edited by your English Wikipedia account are: Category talk:User fr-qc, Wikipedia:User categories for discussion and this page: Wikipedia:Help desk. As an administrator I can see that your account has no recorded edits to deleted pages. There is no sign that a page has existed at User:Francsois. My guess would be that you were logged in somewhere else. Maybe another Wikipedia language, or maybe another Wikimedia project, or maybe another wiki powered by the same popular MediaWiki software. If you were reading user box documentation at the English Wikipedia but trying to use the userboxes at another wiki then it would explain why many of them didn't work. Maybe you can see which pages you have visited in your browser history. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:50, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

sharing Wikipedia accounts

I understand that a person can have a few Wikipedia accounts;
but one Wikipedia account can't be shared by a few people.

Is this true? If so, why not:
given that editing can be pretty consuming of effort and time?

Yartett (talk) 20:25, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For the policy on one user having multiple accounts, see Wikipedia:Sock puppetry. The reason one account can't have multiple users is that each user is meant to be individually accountable for the edits made by the account. It is also felt that no undue burden is placed on editors by such a restriction, since anyone can register a new account, and since no one owns a page, any number of accounts can simultaneously work on a single article. Someguy1221 (talk) 21:19, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But what if these people think much faster than they key, and perhaps one takes responsibility for all edits? Yartett (talk) 15:30, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If one takes responsibility for all edits, then we'll never know, but he'll still be blocked one day when he exclaims, "It wasn't me! That other guy who uses this account that did that!" ;-) Someguy1221 (talk) 18:02, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Don't ask, don't tell. ;-) Yartett (talk) 18:40, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

script size

So I know how the make words small, medium, and big. How about very big and very small
(like my +20 year-old WordPerfect on MS-DOS can)? Yartett (talk) 20:25, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Use regular HTML. This is size one, the same as . This is size five,the same as a one-equals-sign section header. This is size six.Xenon 54 21:25, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Or you can "stack" the tags. This is big, this is very big, this is very VERY big! On Wikipedia, "stacking" tags doesn't work, though, because it's already the smallest it can go. --Alinnisawest,^{Dalek Empress} (extermination requests here) 23:10, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

and a big thanks to both of you(!!). ;-D Yartett (talk) 15:14, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You made all the fonts huge in the whole Help Desk page with that! The closing tag is </big>, not <big/>. Anyway, it's fixed now. Be more careful in the future ;) Cheers. Chamal ^Talk ± 15:23, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed he did. The slash goes in front. Using a style attribute "font-size" is even better. For instance Bigsmall:

Bigsmall

But I don't think you'll need to use either very big or very small text here on the Wiki. As you can plainly see here, it's visually distracting (read: a mess). Lupo 15:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed it and tried to correct it, but it seems someone more capable beat me to it.

I wasn't my intention to make superfluous use of these black arts. I'm still larnin'. ;-)

Yartett (talk) 15:37, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

my peculiar list or category of cities

I want to make a list of a particular type of cities.
I've never seen such a list before
(though I suppose there maybe independent versions
---likely outside of Wikipedia),
and that in such a listing, or category,
I intend to create two sub-listings, or sub-categories:
one which conform to my arbitrary, but decently thought out definitions,
and those that come close to it.

Can I do this;
and aside from simple editing in the internal link of such,
what else should I know about putting in such links into the articles of the cities I list,
which likely will be in the 10's, even 100's, when I am, and perhaps others are, done?

Yartett (talk) 20:25, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure if this is enshrined in policy anywhere, but it is a common outcome of deletion discussions that "arbitrary" categories and lists shouldn't exist. For normal articles, only topics that satisfy the notability requirement should have articles. For lists and categories, they shouldn't exist unless the unifying concept is notable. For example, Art of the United Kingdom is notable, so there can be a list/category, Category:British artists. But something like, Art of the United Kingdom involving pizza is probably not notable, so neither would be Category:British artists who like pizza. So basically, if such a list has never be made before, it should not be made first on Wikipedia (see also, Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not). Someguy1221 (talk) 21:29, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See Category:Lists of cities for some of the things we currently have lists about (there is no guarantee these lists will remain). Your list also sounds questionable to me but we may be able to say more of you say what the list is about. See also Wikipedia:Lists if you want to make lists. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:03, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Someguy1221 and PrimeHunter

Indeed the Category:Lists of cities: List of villages in Niue and List of cities that failed in their bids to host the Olympics ;-D

Okay I'll level with ya'll.

I'm beginning to think I might have to create both an article and a stub.

I'm thinking of calling it "List of medium-sized municipalities",
that is, municipalities bigger than, say villages, but not quite as big as cities:
rather entities that might be called "big villages," "towns," and "small cities";
or municipal entities between the populations of, say 10 000, and less than 100 000;
and aren't suburbs that, say Culver City, Beverly Hills, Hawaiian Gardens, are of Los Angeles.
(I'm wouldn't be too surprised that one could walk from the municipal halls of the former three, on a sidewalk, to downtown LA.)

What I'm looking for would be independent of a big city, possessing, say, it's own newspaper (say a +3 a weekly);
a radio station; it's own police, fire, and garbage collection; and it's own post-secondary school.

Now there is a designation of Micropolitain, but I find the definition vague, even absent;
and it's not quite what I'm after.
I'm no more looking for a "micropolis" than I am, I suppose, a "megavillage."

Consider three municipalities: "A" has 300 people, "B" has 30 000 people, and "C" has 3 million people.

Most people would figure that A and B have things in common that aren't shared with C;
such as clean air and very starry nights.

Most people would also figure that B and C have things in common that aren't shared with A;
such as a McDonald's-like resteraunt, it's own sports team, and +4 churches and +1 synagogue.

However, there might be things that A and C have things in common that aren't shared with B;
or coversely, there is a uniqueness in B.

While I don't have all the facts, I'm sure there are many that live in such places that they could quickly and more apty elaborate.

As for my dividing into two catagories, again, the definitions are to eliminate suburbs and "regional municipalities."
If some disagree a bit with my definition, yet wish to contribute, as I'm sure a few would, the second catagory would accommodate them.

I suppose this leads to another question,
should I include a lot of the above in the discussion pages of my list, or article stub and accompaying list?

Thanks to all for your time and attention. ;-)

Yartett (talk) 14:53, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think creating your own definitions is a good idea. This is likely to go down as WP:OR. You should stick to the 'official' definitions, if there are any, when creating such a list (with sources, of course). BTW, you don't have to use tag in Wikipedia. It's unnecessary, and a bit confusing too. Good luck on the article if you're thinking of creating it. Cheers. Chamal ^Talk ± 15:11, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your comments, including about the breaks are noted. I do it as I find it easier to read aloud. Yartett (talk) 15:31, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I also think your list idea is problematic. It may be deleted if it's based on your own unsourced definition. It sounds like you are interested in US cities. There are probably too many cities of your size for one list, and there are already lists of US cities by state. See for example List of cities, towns, and villages in the United States and Template:Lists of cities by U.S. state. Some of the lists are or can be sorted by population, for example List of cities in Indiana. You mention Californian places so see also List of cities in California (by population) and List of urbanized areas in California (by population). If you are interested in US city population figures then maybe you could add population to more of the existing cities by state lists? PrimeHunter (talk) 16:20, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but your links, and others lists and categories I've seen here, don't help. I want some lists that have a decent, and decently simple, definition of what I'm looking for. While population, and a specific range of population, would be an important criterion in my list, it wouldn't be the only. 30 000 people can live in a bunch of high density high rises in a place like NYC; or they can be spread out in some district in a desert county or Alaskan borough. Such might even call themselves "towns"; though, again, that's not what I'm looking for.

Perhaps, if I define it, it may be OR; but the gov'mint either doesn't define it, or likely has defintions that are vague and unknown to me. Wikipedia's article Town is more into description and elaboration, than specific definitions.

(However, a few of these names of lists provide their own definitions in a way, such as List of cities that failed in their bids to host the Olympics.) So again I wonder if I can make such a list. ;-)

Yartett (talk) 17:15, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You can make such a list, but you can't use Wikipedia to host it, since it is original research. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:43, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

question about links to my User Page

I'd like to put in about 10 links into my user page,
links to my user page, or profiles, in other sites:
about 4 would be other interwiki sites;
about 4 into sites who use MediaWiki software and whose purpose isn't too unlike Wikipedia's;
and one to Answerbag,
which might very well be my "main", if not quite social network, site.

Yartett (talk) 20:25, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Go ahead, many people have links to profiles on other sites. Xenon 54 21:26, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this sounds OK. See Wikipedia:User page for the general policy. Adding a bunch of links that seemed like advertising would be problematic but your profile links should be OK. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:48, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

would it be spamming or not

Is it okay to recommend other sites who use MediaWiki software and whose purpose isn't too unlike Wikipedia's,
to Wikopedians who might have an issue or two with Wikipedia in a certain circumstances?

For example, to a Wikipedian joker, could I recommend Uncyclopedia to his/her user page,
or Consevapedia to someone who goes on about (alleged) liberalism?

Yartett (talk) 20:25, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is OK to point out sites to people who might enjoy them. I just wouldn't recomend seeking out such individuals and making it one's Wikipedia goal to direct people to a particular site. The only real caution is you probably shouldn't point people to websites that contain excessively offensive materia (WP:BADSITES). Someguy1221 (talk) 21:32, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ref tags and substing Userspace templates

I wonder if subst-ing userspace templates is possible within ref tags. I have a little userspace template that implements {{cite book}} which saves me the trouble in entering all the ISBNs of a series of manga when I need to cite them, and I plan to subst them within ref tags. However, they were displayed as if there were nowiki tags around them, ie {{User:Samuel Curtis/...}}. There's no problem if I don't subst. What's happening here?--Samuel di Curtisi di Salvadori 21:03, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Footnotes#Known bugs says:

Avoid use of "subst", or at least verify that it works correctly. A Mediawiki bug prevents the expansion of certain (if not all) "subst"'s within refs.

I don't know more than that. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:42, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is I have some doubt if a template like I described can be moved to template space-- or what else should I do...--Samuel di Curtisi di Salvadori 21:44, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Moving to template space would seem acceptable if it was needed to fix the problem, but it sounds like the bug affects all namespaces. You can make a template space test and request deletion with {{db-author}} if it doesn't work. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:52, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What I mean here is no longer about a substing bug, but rather a template that is a narrow implementation of cite book is worthy to be put on template space as opposed to userspace.--Samuel di Curtisi di Salvadori 21:56, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The template in question is User:Samuel Curtis/CC cite.--Samuel di Curtisi di Salvadori 21:58, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't examined your template but if it can be used by others and is useful for many articles then a template in Category:Specific source templates sounds OK to me. Please remove <includeonly> so people can quickly get an idea of what it produces. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:12, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect Information Cite

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeneville,_Tennessee

The cite on the above page for Richard Dougherty, Greeneville: One Hundred Year Portrait (1775-1875) (Kingsport Press, 1974), 3. is incorrect. The author of that book is Richard Doughty, not Richard Dougherty. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GreeneSpring (talk • contribs) 21:18, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The purpose of Wikipedia is to be the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, including you! Simply click "edit this page" at the top of the page and fix the mistake. Xenon 54 21:28, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have corrected it. Thanks for reporting it. As Xenon54 says, you could also have fixed it yourself. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:32, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Template footnotes

Hello. Could I please receive some assistance in inserting a footnotes parameter in this template, similar to the footnotes parameters in this other template? I've tried to do it myself but it's futile against my eternal nemesis, the template namespace. Húsönd 22:18, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Picture error?

Resolved

I was view the WP:BITE article and I noticed that one of the images wasn't displaying when I clicked on the image File:Pdnbtn.png, nothing was there. When I clicked on the "file location". It returned a 404 error. What's going on here? NanohaA'sYuri^{Talk, My master} 22:48, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A number of images were accidentally deleted recently, this looks like one of the ones that wasn't restored. I have reverted it to an earlier version (only by 7 minutes, so hopefully it isn't too different), although you may have to purge the cache if the image still doesn't appear. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 23:22, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to be working fine now, thanks for the help. NanohaA'sYuri^{Talk, My master} 23:36, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

I received a message stating that I had committed an act of vandalism regarding an article about "spotted dock", whatever that is. This is a totally bogus claim. I know nothing about "spotted dick", nor have I ever engaged in comments that could be considered distasteful in any way. What should I do about this matter?

Peter Fowler, Oakland CA —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peterrrr (talk • contribs) 23:23, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How did you receive this message? It doesn't appear to have been on your talk page, which is how most legitimate editors would contact you. --Alinnisawest,^{Dalek Empress} (extermination requests here) 23:25, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(ec)The user account you used to make this post has not made any other edits, and has never been sent any Wikipedia messages. Thus I assume you are referring to a message sent to the talk page associated with your IP address, which you received before logging on. If you received such a message, and it referred to an edit you had not in fact made, you can safely ignore it; due to the way IP addresses are assigned, the questionably content was presumably posted by an entirely different person with (temporarily) the same IP address. Algebraist 23:29, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is also a box mentioning this at the bottom of IP talk pages, for example User talk:131.123.85.85 which is one of many IP addresses that have vandalized the article spotted dick. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:09, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

September 17

Bobby Trendy Article

There appear to be "editing wars" of sorts on the Wikipedia Bobby Trendy article. Multiple users are in disagreement regarding his birth name, birth year, birthplace, and high school graduation date. I have made several edits and given _actual sources_ for these factual bits of information, but people have changed them several different times in the last month, with one user (Causeloss, who has no other editing history) accusing me of vandalism on September 2 - even though his edit to my work didn't include a source, while mine did! In fact, I don't believe any edits to my work have given sources. I am disturbed that these people continue to edit the article without providing sources. Today, I made changes again, but am not sure how long it will take until the edit wars possibly start up again. In addition to my edits today, I also made a remark on the discussion page of Bobby Trendy, responding to a user who, like me, was concerned about these rampant edits without sources. If any assistance/help can be given to possibly resolve this situation, it would be great. --24.119.67.199 (talk) 00:38, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you're definitely on the right track re: discussing it on the Talk page. That's the best way to start in fixing any content dispute. The main thing about WP, though, is that any info you provide must conform to WP:VER--in other words, any info you add must come from a verifiable, outside, printed and reliable source. So: Blogs are a source, yes, but not reliable. If you believe the sources you're offering are RELIABLE sources, and the other editors say they're not, you might want to take it to WP:RS/N. If you've got a bunch of people just saying "it's right because I say so, and no sources will make me think otherwise" then you've got a question for WP:AN/I--the Incidents board, where admins can come to look at issues that might merit their involvement. But as much as possible, we encourage users to talk it out--on the article's talk page, on their own talk pages, wherever they can. Sources are paramount--you sound like you've got a grasp of that. Also, just IMHO, you might look into creating a named account; sometimes, for reasons I can't explain, named accounts are taken more seriously than IPs in arguments. Hope this helps.Gladys J Cortez 01:03, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ARTICLE TITLE

Help! The name of the article I'm editing is in incorrect. The last name of the person in the name of the page itself is not capitalized. What is the fix? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kennethrexroth (talk • contribs) 03:24, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To rename an article we "move" it. Along the top of the article there are buttons for "Article" "Discussion" "Edit" "History" "Move" and "Watch". Click the "Move" button and then put in the new title. For more info see Help:Moving a page. If you have any more questions feel free to ask. I hope it helps. James086^{Talk | Email} 03:31, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I moved the page for you. — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 03:32, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I feel better now. "Redirected from" in this case seems like a mistake. I wonder if there's a way to remove the "redirected from"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kennethrexroth (talk • contribs) 03:35, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The "redirected from" is there to show that you arrived at the relevant page via a redirect. It's not a bad thing, nor is it indicative of a mistake. – ukexpat (talk) 04:00, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What's the best way to expand the editing base?

What is the best way of expanding the editing base on an area of articles? Falun Gong and its related articles are currently pretty much owned by FLG-related single purpose accounts and it has been quite a hassle in trying to communicate with them. This leads to a tendency of regular editors leaving them to their own accords because it's just such an annoyance, and resulted in a small editing base and very little improvements on the article. What is the best way to "advertise" this area so that more neutral inputs are gathered? --antilived^{T | C | G} 04:03, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Requests for feedback or Wikipedia:Peer review? — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 08:06, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You might find something useful at WP:EIW#Contro or WP:EIW#Dispute. Other possibilities:

Wikipedia:WikiProject Atheism says "We will also help prevent religion-based censorship throughout Wikipedia."
Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion says "WikiProject Religion ... also seeks to ensure NPOV across articles related to religion."
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion#Potential work groups mentions Falun Gong. You might be able to drum up interest on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Religion in starting a Falun Gong work group.

Note that in general, religion articles present a special challenge to Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, because the neutral point of view follows from an objectivist philosophy, whereas religions are generally faith based. Which is to say most religions are naturally antithetical to neutrality. In some religions, a neutral stance would amount to blasphemy (for example, see Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy, an article which satisfies Wikipedia's neutrality policy, but amounts to blasphemy in the minds of strict adherents of Islam). Since most people who are expert in a given religion are also adherents of that religion, with the degree of expertise often correlating with the intensity of religious commitment, expect to see lots of non-neutrality in religion articles on Wikipedia. Wikipedia's conflict of interest guideline mentions the possibility that an editor may have a religious conflict of interest. --Teratornis (talk) 17:39, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

manufacturing industry

give me an example of Manufactring (CLOTHES) industry.

Que: What frustration that most leaders suffer from their jobs? give me example in Clothes Manufacturing ind. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.167.173.204 (talk) 07:12, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You might find what you are looking for in the article about Textile manufacturing. If you cannot find the answer there, you can try asking your question at Wikipedia's Reference Desk. They will be glad to try to answer questions about anything in the universe (except about how to use Wikipedia, which is what this help desk is for). I hope this helps. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 07:38, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How to determine contents of a list

I understand the notability requirements for article inclusion (the article must be neutral and able to be verified from reliable sources) but how do you determine notability for the contents of a list? This talk page post sparked my interest and I could not find the relevant Wikipedia guideline or explanation.--Commander Keane (talk) 07:36, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The relevant guideline is WP:LIST. This states a requirement for notability but does not specify specific hard and fast list rules. Many list pages use the criterion that if an entries notability is not established in an article then a reference on the list page itself should be provided. It is not a requirement for a list entry to have a Wikipedia article (not to be confused with MOS:DAB pages which DO have this requirement). SpinningSpark 10:24, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Coord not working

I have added a coord tag to the Queensbury, West Yorkshire article with the following contents

coord|53|46|06|N|1|50|43|W|display=title|region:GB_type:city

However it appears inline. What's wrong? -- Q Chris (talk) 08:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have much technical expertise, but perhaps it is somehow interacting with {{Infobox UK ward}}, which uses hCard microformat, particularly the "adr" class. — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 09:09, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks "Twas Now". If it is an interaction this is beyond me. Is there somewhere I should highlight this issue for expert assistance ho has this post on this page done that already? -- Q Chris (talk) 09:22, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Some technically minded people monitor this page, but Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) would give you better exposure. — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 09:24, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, posted there!

Fixed. coord|53|46|06|N|1|50|43|W|display=title|region:GB_type:city doesn't work, but coord|53|46|06|N|1|50|43|W|region:GB_type:city|display=title does. Thanks for adding coordinates, and using {{coord}}! Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 12:26, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Poetry

I don't often mess with poetry but I've come across this need a couple of times. Is there a quote template that will properly format poetry/songs without having to put ugly break tags at the end of every line? SpinningSpark 10:17, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The <poem>...</poem> tag works. Algebraist 10:30, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, indenting using a colon : to being each line. — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 18:37, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The <poem> extension retains formatting such as line breaks; <blockquote indents the text; using both does both. There are also templates such as {{quote box2}}. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 19:15, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bottom of Page

Resolved

– on talk page

How should I make a template always appear on the bottom of the talk page? -- Tyw7, Leading Innovations ‍ ‍‍ (Talk ● Contributions) 10:54, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This user placed a {{helpme}} tag and asked on their talk page. Users are helping there. Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 13:28, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

hacking

i just wana learn hacking from the begining n in a easy way how could i learn n how couild i do it practically? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.167.63.91 (talk) 13:40, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You won't find that information here, this is the Wikipedia Help Desk for asking questions about using Wikipedia. If you have a more specific question about computers they will be able to help you at the Reference Desk. Scotty dude _review 13:55, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Don't think they'll help you to hack even at the Reference Desk though, since it is something illegal. I wouldn't keep my hopes up if I were you. Chamal ^Talk ± 14:00, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That depends on what the questioner means by hacking. A hacker can be "a clever programmer" (with no illegality implied) or "someone who tries to break into a computer system." However, I doubt that anyone who uses the former definition would need to ask how to become a hacker - he (most likely a "he", as hackerdom is overwhelmingly male, no disrespect to the tiny minority of female hackers, but we're guessing about a stranger here, so we put our money on the 99% odds) would already know. --Teratornis (talk) 17:22, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And whatever you mean by "hack", it won't be easy to learn. It takes a long time to master the skills, both "true hacking" and breaking into systems. --grawity 11:47, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image displacement

Another editor has been reorganising images because, as he/she sees the page, all the images (which are spread l & r in the article) end up in two columns at the bottom of the page. Is there some simple explanation? Thanks Motmit (talk) 16:20, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Which page is it? PrimeHunter (talk) 16:42, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your question is hard to understand, but you seem to describe reorganizing separate images into a gallery tag. See WP:EIW#Gallery and WP:GALLERY for information about how that works. (I'm not commenting on whether a gallery tag is a good idea because I don't know what page you have in mind, and like PrimeHunter I'm not a mind-reader.) --Teratornis (talk) 17:44, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Osney Lock is one of the pages which I have restored after they were put in a gallery by the editor because to him/her they all ended up at the bottom anyway. Motmit (talk) 17:56, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The other editor was probably using a gallery tag to fix the bunched-up edit links, but see WP:BUNCH for another solution which would keep the images more or less in their current positions. If you fix the bunched-up edit links, you will reduce the tendency of other editors to put back a gallery tag. --Teratornis (talk) 07:59, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Asif Ali Zardari - President of Pakistan

Please let me know Asif Ali Zardari's assets in Pakistan and abroad.

Money in Banks
Land in Pakistan and abroad
Immovable properties in Pakistan and abroad.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.243.120.68 (talk) 17:31, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I reorganized your items into a numbered list. It looks better now, don't you agree? As to the question, you could try asking on the Reference desk, or try a {{Google}} search:

Asif Ali Zardari assets in Pakistan and abroad

Some of the search results look interesting. So does Wikipedia's Asif Ali Zardari article. --Teratornis (talk) 17:50, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

MAKE A SYMBOL AS EMBLEM FOR NEW VENTURE WITH THE LETTERS SHD,DHS,HSD OR DHHS

GROUP OF BUSINESS ACTIVITIES ARE RUNNING NOW I WANT TO CREATE AN EMBEM FOR MY GROUP OF BUSINESS WITH THE FIRST LETTERS OF MY FAMILY MEMBERS AND THOSE ARE HSDH61.1.225.90 (talk) 17:36, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is for asking questions about using Wikipedia. Your question, from what I can see, has nothing to do with Wikipedia. I wouldn't even suggest asking it on the reference desk as you are not asking for any sort of reference. Finally, do not type in all caps. It is the equivalent of screaming at everyone. -- kainaw ™ 17:38, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

create an entry

How do I submit a new entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jzolak (talk • contribs) 18:36, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. _Gb^T/c 19:20, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Would someone please edit the template for the box at the top of this page to include a big, a really, really big, flashing red link to Wikipedia:Your first article? Thanks. – ukexpat (talk) 19:46, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We discuss which instructions to add or remove from Wikipedia:Help desk/Header on Wikipedia talk:Help desk. Currently we tell people to search the Help desk archives before asking a question, and searching the Help desk for: how do I create a new article does find quite a few repeats of the answer. The answer to this question is also the very first FAQ entry: WP:FAQ#CREATE. I'd just as soon answer the FAQs that appear on the Help desk with FAQ shortcut links (such as WP:FAQ#CREATE), to save space on the Help desk, and to help users who ask FAQs to realize we have a FAQ. One of the first things new Wikipedia users need to learn is that almost every new user question has been asked by up to 48,507,398 users before them. And since Wikipedia is an extremely efficient documenting tool, we've documented most of the answers. --Teratornis (talk) 08:08, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image problem?

Can anyone else see the third image here? I can't, and when I click-through to the image page I get an empty box there too. Any ideas? Maury (talk) 19:12, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's no image of that name, it would appear, on clicking through to File:Aircraft engine Orenda 14 front.jpg...why it takes you to the upload page, I'm not quite sure. _Gb^T/c 19:15, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In confirmation to GB, no image of Airecraft engine Orenda 14 front exist on Wikipedia - even through the search process it turned up nothing, you may need to upload or find the image on Wikimedia-Commons. Terra 19:31, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It was deleted [2] from Commons in February. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:31, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's the second engine image. I don't see the third one. I see I left out "engine" in the first post. Maury (talk) 20:46, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you mean Image:Orenda PS.jpg in the section Orenda Aerospace#Orenda Iroquois then I see it fine both in the article and the image page. If you mean something else then please give the image name. The deleted image has been removed.[3] PrimeHunter (talk) 21:20, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Printing

How can I print entry - on Goethe - I have iMac? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.188.51.105 (talk) 19:18, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Wikipedia:Reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps.Terra 19:19, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Er, isn't this question about using Wikipedia? To answer the question, click on this link: Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, then find and click on the "printable version" link in the tool box section on the left hand side of the page, then from your File menu select and click "print". – ukexpat (talk) 19:51, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I thought this was off-topic so I placed {{subst:HD/rd}} - if the question included more detail about what he/she wanted to know then I wouldn't have placed the message down. Terra 19:54, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Universal Express currections

directly below what it says now on wikipedia....what it should legally say is under it in bold...(the facts)

Universal Express (Pink Sheets: USXP) claimed to be a transportation and logistics service company and was registered in Nevada and headquartered in Boca Raton, Florida.[1] However, investigation by the SEC clearly revealed that the primary business of USXP was the production of and distribution of billions of illegal, unregistered shares. The money from these sales went directly to support the lavish lifestyle of Richard Altomare and his supporters. Some funds were diverted to advertising designed to push the sale of additional shares. A receiver was appointed for Universal Express by a federal judge at the request of the S.E.C. The judge ordered Universal and its top officers to pay $21.9 million and barred them from future penny stock sales. [1]

Altomare was ordered to prison for contempt of court in April 2008.[2] As of May, 2008, he was resident in the Metropolitan Correctional Center, New York City.[3]

Universal Express (Pink Sheets: USXP) was a transportation and logistics service company and was registered in Nevada and headquartered in Boca Raton, Florida.[1] On August 31, 2007, Federal District Judge Gerard E. Lynch of the Southern District of New York, appointed a Receiver over the operations of Universal Express, Inc. and its subsidiaries. An appeal court date is set for October for Universal Express Officers to appeal the SEC ruling and take over of Universal Express in New York. The judge ordered Universal and its top officers to pay $21.9 million and barred them from future penny stock sales. [1]

Altomare was ordered to prison for civil contempt of court in April 2008.[2] As of May, 2008, he was resident in the Metropolitan Correctional Center, New York City.[3] Richard Altomare is currently out of prison for civil contempt, as no debtors prison exists in the united states for inability to pay a fine. He awiats his court case appeal against the securities and exchange commission.

go to www.usxp.com to confirm the above facts. Also court orders are available to prove the above is true and balanced not slanted like the present one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Evangelistfighter (talk • contribs) 21:26, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've given this s.p.a. a first-level NPOV warning. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:57, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rename article

I am thinking of renaming Timeline of Algebra into "Algebra Timeline. It should therefore be able to catch the attention of more that look at "Algebra." Would you recommend this change or reject it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dale S. Satre (talk • contribs) 22:02, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You could propose it on the discussion page and see what other editors think - right now it's unedited. Otherwise, just be bold. Cheers. Wisdom89 _{(_T / ^C)} 22:36, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would ask the question: is this change consistent with other "timeline" pages. This Google search suggests that if we want to keep things consistent then we should leave the title as it is.—Noah 23:20, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest you simply create a Redirect page called "Albebra timeline". That way, anyone who selects "Algebra timeline" will be taken directly to Timeline of Algebra. Anyone who searches under "Algebra" will likely see "Algebra timeline" show up as one of the early options. Dolphin51 (talk) 03:41, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I note that the user has gone ahead and moved it, just three minutes after posting a note on the discussion page seeking input.--92.41.182.34 (talk) 05:50, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I went ahead and relocated the article because I recieved the permission to do so. And besides, it is now in its own category.--Dale S. Satre 00:09, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

September 18

All about ME!!

Hey Everyone My Name is Bess

I have a world record of being able to hold my breath under water for an hour!
Also, Jerry Jones the owner of Dallas Cowboys Is my Grandfather!
I own over a hundered Jones Soda Bottles
My Cat thinks She is Running for President, she has yet to find a running mate!
My Car cost me over a million dollars after fixing it up!! danngggg —Preceding unsigned comment added by LuckyBear2321 (talk • contribs) 03:02, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good for you! Paragon ¹²³²¹ 03:07, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you might want to consider starting a wordpress blog where you can post your thoughts, instead of wasting our time here. - Icewedge (talk) 03:43, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Or posting your "bio" at Wikipopuli or Wikibios.

Bodies Exhibition.jpg

There's some problem with the image Image:Bodies Exhibition.jpg that prevents it from displaying properly, but I don't know what's wrong or how to fix it. The current version has a working thumbnail, but the image is presumably at http:/upwiki/wikipedia/en/4/46/Bodies_Exhibition.jpg which gives a 404. The image is accessible in a previous version http:/upwiki/wikipedia/en/archive/4/46/20071207053717%21Bodies_Exhibition.jpg but the thumbnail doesn't work. What's going on and how can this be fixed? —Chris Capoccia ^T⁄_C 07:04, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure where the file went. It seems there has been a lot of image problems recently. I've uploaded a new version of the file. Scotty dude _review 15:31, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image server has been hiccuping lately. Gary King (talk) 19:31, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

edits and deletion of pages

I generally look at new pages and then if they are no good, I put them up for speedy deletion. 99 times out of 100, the page is then deleted. But after that happens, in 'my contributions', that edit that I made putting the speedy deletion tag on that age dissapears.

with the disappearance, does my edit still count on my edit counter (are you with me??)

thanks heaps. Aflumpire (talk) 11:31, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

According to WP:EC, the count shown in Special:Preferences is not changed. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 11:41, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted edits are not counted in various other edit counters, however. Algebraist 12:06, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently, once the article is deleted, they are listed as "deleted contributions" and do not show in the contributions list any more. Chamal ^Talk ± 11:59, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your speedy tagging edit does become a deleted contribution. However, if you have also alerted the author of the page to the speedy tagging, then this second edit will remain and will give you an easy record of the speedy tagging you made. When you add a SD tag to a page, the template that appears contains a message to you, requesting that you consider also placing a message on the author's talk page. It even provides a line of code that you can cut and paste in order to do so. For example: Please consider placing the template: {{subst:empty-warn|Wikipedia:Help desk|header=1}} ~~~~ If you do this, and use an edit summary along the lines of Warning author re SD nomination of [[Unsuitable Pagetitle]], you'll have a record of your edit in your own contribution history. Ka renjc 15:17, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted contributions are still logged, however due to the sensitive nature of certain deletions, Special:DeletedContributions is only accessible by administrators. Preferences still counts them, and certain edit counters do as well (my userpage links to one near the bottom). However, don't get too hung up on WP:Editcountitis. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 16:44, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blanking a page

Resolved

Hi, how do I blank a page? When I just remove all of the content, the link at the top of the page remains blue, even though there isn't anything on the page. Thanks, TheMoridian 13:09, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean you want to delete a page? If the page is in your userspace or is an article that you created and no other user has contributed significantly to it, you can blank the page or request speedy deletion by adding a {{db-author}} tag. Or you can simply ask an admin to delete it. Do not blank any other page, as this is likely to be taken as vandalism. Please see Wikipedia:Deletion policy. Cheers. Chamal ^Talk ± 13:24, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is about User talk:Themoridian/workshop, right? If the page is not deleted after some time, you can tag it for deletion as explained above or ask an admin to delete it for you (or you can tag it now itself, of course). Cheers :) Chamal ^Talk ± 13:28, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Help Editing A Page

Resolved

– answered on Talk:Delaware North Companies

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Delaware_North_Companies

Would someone look into the talk section of this page and respond to my editing question. I'd like to move forward with some edits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwhit3134 (talk • contribs) 16:07, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Answered on talk page above. Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 18:15, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reporting possible copyright violation

Where's the right place for me to report a possible copyright violation - not IN wikipedia, but OF wikipedia. An article in the English Daily Mail [4] seems to have large chunks copy-and-pasted straight out of the Wikipedia article on Ray Mears. Thanks. Beve (talk) 16:44, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think WP:MF is the only relevant page we have. Equendil Talk 17:23, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See also: WP:REUSE. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 21:50, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why not simply inform the next largest newspaper in your town, and let them publish the story? DOR (HK) (talk) 03:30, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

HTML Code for Text Box

I'd like to to add a framed text box on the right of my page. I can't find the code anywhere. P C McKinnon (talk) 17:00, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do you need an infobox? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 17:10, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes........I want to add a few poems on the right of the page P C McKinnon (talk) 17:15, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See {{quote box2}} --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 17:17, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Great! It works.......thanks Gadget P C McKinnon (talk) 18:00, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

BTW- anything you publish here is released under the GNU Free Documentation License. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 19:05, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Accused of "vandalism" by adding a fact

New here. I added a line in bold on the Trekkie Puppet wiki page. It talks about how highly collectable these puppets are. We are the manufacturer and went through hell designing and producing these puppets. The line I added in bold said: The Trekkie puppets were made by Folkmanis. First of all, this isn't VANDALISM. It's a fact. If it's considered commercial, well, I could argue that but it remains a FACT. Please advise. puppetalchemist —Preceding unsigned comment added by Puppetalchemist (talk • contribs) 18:37, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First, Wikipedia is not a collection of facts. It is a collection of references. So, to ensure that this "fact" will not be deleted, it must be "referenced." Second, why was it in bold? That is most likely why it was deleted. There is no reason to have that in bold. Third, did you ask the person who removed it why he or she did so? Running here first indicates that you do not want to work with the other user. Finally, see WP:COI. If you work for Folkmanis and you are trying to make edits about Folkmanis, then you are in a conflict of interest. -- kainaw ™ 18:56, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A user making their second edit to a help page cannot fairly be accused of "running here" to avoid working with other editors. Please assume good faith, especially on the part of new editors. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:20, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To "talk" to other users, you would use what we call talk pages. Wikipedia's talk pages can be somewhat jarring to new users who are usually more familiar with e-mail and Internet forums. However, as with most things on Wikipedia, once you learn how to use our talk pages, they have some nice features. I like that on talk pages we can use the full wikitext markup, for example by adding links with minimal extra typing. People who are fluent on Wikipedia tend to put links in almost every sentence; it saves much typing, since we rely on standard documents to define all our jargon and so on. To understand what kainaw wrote, you will need to read these pages: WP:RS, WP:NPOV, WP:V, and WP:BFAQ in addition to WP:COI. Also note the difference between policies and guidelines. Policies are for the most part non-negotiable on Wikipedia, but guidelines allow for some flexibility in interpretation. For example, WP:V is a policy, whereas WP:RS and WP:COI are guidelines. Having a conflict of interest on a topic means you have to take extra care to maintain neutrality, but it does not preclude you from editing. It does mean that statistically speaking, you may be prone to some types of common editing problems that correlate with having a conflict of interest - such as a temptation to lapse into promotional language. But as far as correcting a factual error, if you have reliable sources to back up your claim, a source is a source and it doesn't necessarily matter what you personally feel about a topic. --Teratornis (talk) 23:11, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can't find "proportional to" symbol in character insert thingy.

Looks like "∝" (not a "α".). Thanks. Saintrain (talk) 20:12, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You can request it be added at MediaWiki talk:Edittools. You can also create custom edittools: see MediaWiki talk:Edittools#User-added functions to edittools. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 20:52, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It can be added with &prop; which produces ∝. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:09, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Woohoo! Look what I can do! ∝∝∝∝∝∝∝∝! Thanks both. Saintrain (talk) 22:55, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can't find my changes - what have I done wrong?

On August 25th in the afternoon I made lots of changes to a page that had been flagged as reading as "advertising" (http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=IBM_WebSphere_Application_Server). When I finished with my changes I saved them and went back in to view them later and all seemed well with the world. Now I can't find my changes and the log says it hasn't been changed since August 15th! So, I have to assume I did something wrong. I was using Safari on a Mac - which I have mentioned in case it is something to do with caching. So I can avoid making the mistake again, could someone advise me as to what I most likely did wrong, please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ColinRenouf (talk • contribs) 20:53, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There are edits on IBM WebSphere dated August 25th, is there a chance you had actually edited that article instead of IBM WebSphere Application Server? --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 20:58, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but it was definitely the IBM WebSphere Application Server page as I added information about the EJB3 feature pack, removed the word beta from something released a year ago, and then added some things about the internals. Would it make any difference that it I had only set the account up in the morning of the 25th? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ColinRenouf (talk • contribs) 21:08, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

According to your contributions list, you haven't made any edits other than the two to this page. So you very likely made those contributions under your IP address instead of this username, just to clear one thing up. But because that page doesn't show any edits since August 15, I think we can definitely say that you didn't edit that page- or rather, that your edits weren't saved. I suppose you'll just have to redo them, and be sure that they actually save next time. --Alinnisawest,^{Dalek Empress} (extermination requests here) 21:15, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've provided a welcome menu template to the user, which includes information - if the user is stuck with anything he/she could request assistance here or request help from any user who's willing to help out. Terra 21:22, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A mistake I sometimes make is to use Preview to check my edits and then absentmindedly navigate away from the page without actually saving them. Might that be what you did? Deor (talk) 21:12, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Magazines

I'm working on improving a biography of a religious figure, and I'd like the use information released by the church in the form of a magazine (copies of which are online). Should I use a cite web or cite book template, or some other third thing totally unrelated? Thanks. Intothewoods29 (talk) 22:41, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

{{Cite web}} is often a pretty good choice when you don't know what else to use. However, it's hard for someone to answer this question without being able to see the source you have in mind. See WP:CITET for a list of citation templates you can use (the standard three guidelines for citing sources are WP:FOOT, WP:CITE, and WP:CITET). Also, does this source count as reliable? If you aren't sure, you can ask on Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. --Teratornis (talk) 22:55, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oops I guess I was being a bit vague there. :P It's the magazine Liahona distributed by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, linked here. It's a magazine, and the text is put online on the church's website. Would cite journal work? Thanks for being patient. Sometimes I honestly don't know if there's anything in my head. ;) Intothewoods29 (talk) 23:04, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

One of the hardest parts of communicating is being consciously aware of which parts of your knowledge another person does not share. Developing that awareness may almost be the entire basis of clear communication. Journalists learn to answer the "who, what, when, where, how, and why" questions when they describe a topic or event. People who haven't trained as journalists may have a harder time putting themselves in the reader's shoes. It certainly isn't natural for most of us. It's even much less natural for computers (so far). Anyway, to your question, when I am not sure what to do on Wikipedia, I like to look for examples of what other people have done. That doesn't necessarily determine what we should do (see Wikipedia:Other stuff exists), but it can give us ideas. We could try searching for this magazine with {{Google wikipedia}}:

Search Wikipedia with Google for: Liahona

I had to scroll a few pages into the results to find some citations. Check out these articles for example: Elaine S. Dalton, August Höglund, and Benjamín de Hoyos. It looks like various editors have used a variety of citation styles; this is pretty typical for Wikipedia. I'd suggest using whatever citation template provides the necessary fields. {{Cite journal}} is probably fine. {{Cite web}} has enough fields that it works for almost any online reference, but {{Cite journal}} is more specific so you could use that. --Teratornis (talk) 23:26, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Intothewoods29 (talk) 23:33, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Edit missing from watchlist

A comment by a vandal on my user page at 23:04 on 18 September does not appear on my watchlist. The subsequent removal of this by another editor does appear, as do previous edits by the same vandal. Can anyone explain why? Thanks RolandR (talk) 23:44, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I guess you mean this edit to your talk page at 22:04 UTC. I can see it on a watchlist and have no explanation why you cannot. There is no combination of watchlists settings which should at the same time hide this edit and show the preceding edit by that IP (there are settings which would hide both of them). PrimeHunter (talk) 00:30, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, there were so many edits in the "Main" section of my watchlist, that I couldn't see, and forgot to check, the "User talk" section. RolandR (talk) 08:04, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

September 19

Is it possible?

Is it possible to change your username?--Dale S. Satre 00:05, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Changing username. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 00:08, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

using Wikipedia photographs in a newsletter

Hello - I am the editor of a monthly "Trail Talk" newsletter as part of the City of San Diego's Mission Trails Regional Park docent program. We would like to use some of the pictures that are published on the Wikipedia web site for our newsletter. What do I need to do to get permission to do this?

thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.27.91.137 (talk) 00:19, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please see Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content. A few things to note: Any image on Wikipedia that is used as fair use, is not our image at all. We are claiming fair use of someone else's copyrighted work. You would need to do the same, or get permission just as if Wikipedia had never used the image. Also, many of the images one sees here are not actually uploaded to Wikipedia. It is content from the Wikimedia Commons (another Wikimedia project). For any such media, please visit Commons:Reusing content outside Wikimedia. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:22, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Portal selection

Is there a portal that says a message like, "This user hopes to one day join the USAF" & "This user is considered the class nerd at his school?"--Archeopteryx (talk) 00:32, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're confusing a portal with a userbox. You can check out a wide variety of userboxes at the Gallery. You could even make new ones for yourself! --Alinnisawest,^{Dalek Empress} (extermination requests here) 03:50, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is like the world's biggest playground for nerds. Especially nerds who like to RTFM. Welcome aboard, and get to know the Editor's index. --Teratornis (talk) 23:56, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article redirect

My article on the Canton of Saint-Martin-de-Ré was redirected to the commune of Saint-Martin-de-Ré which contains no information at all on the canton. I don't see the a talk page or anywhere I can dispute this. Can someone who understands redirect please look over this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Madridrealy (talk • contribs) 02:32, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The talk page is located at Talk:Canton of Saint-Martin-de-Ré; the talk page for any article is found at the tab labeled "discussion" at the top of the page. --Alinnisawest,^{Dalek Empress} (extermination requests here) 03:52, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Public housing in the United States and Canada split

I completed a requested split of Public housing in the United States and Canada into Public housing in the United States and Public housing in Canada. My question is, should Public housing in the United States and Canada now be deleted or does it remain somehow to preserve the edit history? WP:SPLIT was not quite clear as its instructions seemed to deal with part of an article being split off, not an entire article being split into two completely new articles. Thanks. TheMolecularMan (talk) 03:21, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My impulse would be to redirect that title to Public housing, which should summarize both the United States and Canada Public Housing articles - note that the current summary still combines the two. No need to delete the page, since - as you note - we should keep the history. Redirects are cheap, though. UltraExactZZ ^Claims~ Evidence 14:37, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, that's exactly what I needed. TheMolecularMan (talk) 15:37, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New member questions

I just joined today, because there's several music articles I'd like to update. I've been trying to read as much of the polices and such that I can, but I'm confused about 4 things in particular: 1. Some of the articles have no main picture (or any at all) and I'd like to add them - I download band photos off photobucket, so how I can list the photographer's/owner's name, or does that rule apply to public-distributed pictures?
2. A few bands have pictures, but there's newer photos available - do I have to get permission from the previous editor to change it?
3. A couple pages need updates for album/dvd releases and details - I can add on the the existing list?
4. Is it okay to quote (substantial) information from interviews in magazines/media/etc., as long as the source is listed?
Thank you very much for any help.MomoC.VK (talk) 03:42, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not up on my image use policy, so I can't help you with 1, but in regards to the others...

2. One of the basic things about Wikipedia, and the thing I love the best, is that no one owns anything. So no, you don't need permission. However, as a courtesy to other editors, you could discuss it on the article's talk page first. The talk pages are a great place to discuss changes before enacting them, so nobody's toes get stepped on.

3. You're perfectly free to update any information, although be prepared to have a source.

4. Generally speaking, it's considered better to reword information instead of quoting it verbatim. A few quotes are acceptable, but if the majority of an article is comprised of quotes from other sources, it needs to be rewritten into article form, as opposed to a series of disjointed quotes.

Because you seem interested in helping with band-related articles, you should go check out the music Wikiproject. They keep up all of those articles (as well as others relating to music), and I'm sure they'd love to have your help! --Alinnisawest,^{Dalek Empress} (extermination requests here) 03:59, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The copyright holder of a photo is listed on the image description page, which you create when you upload the photo. However, photos that you get off Photobucket, or Flickr, or Imageshack, are generally not free content, and so unless you can verify that the photo is under a license that is compatible with the GFDL (such as CC-BY or CC-BY-SA), it is non-free content, and will require a fair use rationale. Note that the first criterion for non-free content on Wikipedia is that it is "used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose", and hence you can only use the non-free content if there is no way to procure a similar photo under a free license - in the case of bands, this would generally only occur if members of the band are dead, or if the photo is of particular historical significance that is discussed in the article. Failing that, you would need to see if the copyright holder (and this is not always the uploader, so be careful) is willing to release the photo under a compatible license. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 04:12, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

that seems worth emphasizing: finding a photo on the web doesn't mean it's "up for grabs" copyright-wise, so please be careful about that. thanks for caring about the photographers' names and rights, and happy editing! Sssoul (talk) 11:51, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fixing article on Socrates

I'm not sure how to proceed with the above and don't want to make matters worse. The following edit substantially changed the opening of the Socrates article: 6 September 2008 Wikipedian132. Besides changing the editorial focus, a somewhat odd quote was added as a third paragraph that had a typo (Sun-Good instead of Sun-God, which I fixed). Then I became suspicious of the quote and its cite, and found that it referred to a 2008 illustrated work on philosophy, hardly a scholarly work. The addition was not vandalism, but it also does not appear to be responsible, nor was it properly vetted. What I would like to see is that the article be returned to its state before the above change. However, I wouldn't want to see productive edits made since then overwritten. Suggestions? Thanks. Allreet (talk) 03:49, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You can add a {{fact}} tag (^{[citation needed]}), noting that that information may not be true. Lego K^ontribs T^alk M 03:58, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the quick reply. My concern is that the entire opening (three paragraphs) is something of a revisionist view based on a recent work. I went back a little further in the history and found that the opening has bounced back and forth between this and the "original," so the change is not as new as I thought. Nonetheless, we do have something of a "Socratic problem" here. I'll bring up the issue on the Talk page. Again, thanks. Allreet (talk) 04:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

installation of UNICODE

i want to instal UNICODE in my computer. how do i instal unicode? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.98.128.198 (talk) 07:20, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Have you tried a Google search? Searching for ["Installing Unicode"] brings up quite a few results. You might get a better response at the Reference Desk. Good luck, Matt (Talk) 10:11, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

reply to received messages

how can I reply to the messages I receive from administrator or other Wikipedia users? --Kdurah (talk) 09:04, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Kdurah and welcome! Some users prefer to keep the discussion in one place (the place that it was started) or reply on the other persons talk page. It's up to you as to which one you do. Matt (Talk) 10:00, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Having made a comment on your page (two) I have your page under watch so if you edit the page and reply I will pick it up. --Snowded TALK 10:37, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you're worried that your reply won't be seen by the other party if you put it on your own talk page, you can leave them a quick note alerting them to it. Template:Talkback will do this. Just type {{Talkback|your username}} onto their user talk page. Ka renjc 13:56, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

help renaming a category please!

the category currently called "Category: Ron Wood albums" wants changing to "Category: Ronnie Wood albums", to reflect the current name of the artist's wikipedia article (which is Ronnie Wood, not Ron Wood). the help page about moving articles mentions a different procedure for renaming categories but doesn't provide enough information for me to feel confident about making the change myself - if someone would be willing to either provide step-by-step instructions in non-specialist terminology, or to make the change (whichever is simpler!) that would be great - thanks Sssoul (talk) 11:32, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have requested the rename for you, at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 September 19. DuncanHill (talk) 11:44, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

thank you kindly Sssoul (talk) 11:52, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

term

what does the phrse "red foprt amd red pyjamas means" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.167.135.193 (talk) 11:55, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Have you tried the Language section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. Algebraist 12:44, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Industrial and labour law

Roles of collective bargaining in dispute resolution —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.49.81.100 (talk) 12:45, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. Algebraist 12:51, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, please note that Wikipedia will not do your homework for you. TN‑X-Man 12:57, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requests for comment: User

If an RFC passed the 48hr deadline for certification then another user (who was not part of the alleged dispute) moves from endorse to certify, should the RFC still stand? What is the process for removing an RFC that was not certified? (Specifically I'm talking about this RFC: Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Kainaw) Thank you. -Phydaux (talk) 13:27, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It seems fine. The user that certified it did try to discuss the issues and as such is now involved. Although the 48 hours had expired, it seems pointless to delete it just to have them recreate it with a new entry. Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 14:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

User Page Deleted - Why?

My user page, contributions and watchlist have all been deleted. I've searched the deletion log but can't find it. How do I get it back? Who deleted it and why? --Robinson Weijman (talk) 13:51, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure you haven't created a completely new login by mistake, using an upper-case W? Take a look at User:Robinson weijman. Ka renjc 14:00, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently this is what has happened. The account of User:Robinson Weijman has been created today, but User:Robinson weijman has been created on 2007-01-13. Chamal ^Talk ± 14:04, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(ec)More precisely, you created the account 'Robinson Weijman' on Meta two days ago (not today), with SUL enabled, and as a result you have a new account on en.wiki as well. Algebraist 14:06, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blimey - you guys are good, thanks. I think Firefox cached it and used the same ID for both. Anyway, thanks for the time you've taken to investigate this. --Robinson Weijman (talk) 14:13, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

chat

is there a spot here where we can converse with one another?--Klingon 1 (talk) 14:31, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Beyond this format, not really, no. Other sites may be better suited for chat. UltraExactZZ ^Claims~ Evidence 14:33, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:NOT#CHAT Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 14:37, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The OP said nothing about using WP as a chat medium. They're simply asking if there are any places here where wikipedians can have general conversations. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 14:40, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(3 ecs)You can use user talk pages for conversations. For example, your user talk page is at User talk:Klingon 1. Some wikipedians also use Wikipedia:IRC channels. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 14:38, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Try IRC channels maybe, see WP:IRC Equendil Talk 15:44, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How do I keep my additions to a site

from going away? I want to have the search term founders of Rapid Cith on the Wikipedia Rapid City South Dakota entry, I put them there and they go away. I don't seem to be able to use Google to find that term when they are visiable on Wikipedia? I have asked Google about it too but maybe you can tell me how to do it. I want anyone who wants to know the names of the founders of Rapid City to be able to Google that term and find the names on Wikipedia, why is that so hard? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ellenb7580 (talk • contribs) 15:52, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

i'm not a "help desk regular", but i looked at the Rapid City, South Dakota edit history. i don't want to guess at why another editor removed your additions, but it looks like you haven't provided any reference for the list of founders you added. other wikipedia editors can always change stuff - that's the nature of wikipedia - but backing up our statements with reliable references means someone really needs a very solid reason to amend or delete them. please check out the page on reliable sources for guidance.

you might also ask on the article's "talk" page why the other editor has deleted that content. courteous communication on the "talk" pages can go a long way to resolving this kind of thing, and is also pretty much of a prerequisite to getting third parties to express an opinion if necessary.

you might also want to consider signing in before making the changes to the article. it looks like you made your additions without being logged in. there's nothing wrong with that, but signing in might make communication with the other editor easier.

hope that helps some, and/or that a "regular" help-desk denizen will clarify what i've left out or misinterpreted. Sssoul (talk) 16:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sssoul covered it pretty well. Just one thing to add- remember that Wikipedia is a changing entity. It rarely stays the same for more than a few seconds. You can't expect your edits to stay forever. Also, remember that the consensus may be that the names of the founders are simply not notable enough to be put in the article. --Alinnisawest,^{Dalek Empress} (extermination requests here) 18:07, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fake Page

Resolved

– Speedied at author request Arakunem^Talk 16:50, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I put up a fake page for my brother, it's scheduled for deletion and ought to be deleted immediately. He was not amused and the page is not a real Wikipedia page. I edited it with this note on the page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregg_Rosenthal - thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kennethrexroth (talk • contribs) 16:00, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you put the text {{db-author}} at the top, that will signal the page for speedy deletion at the author's request. Arakunem^Talk 16:38, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, please don't create fake pages on Wikipedia- it just makes more work for people who have to go through and delete them. --Alinnisawest,^{Dalek Empress} (extermination requests here) 17:52, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep in mind of What Wikipedia is not this "Fake" article, which you have created will fall under that Policy. Dark Mage 18:00, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Using emails as references

I have sent away some emails to get facts on a subject that is not in books or online that I can find to date. I have emailed the provincial archives, the provincial government and the provincial library system - all of these should qualify as a reliable source just not a published source with a book ISBN number or a website URL. I want to also email the school system regarding another question. I want to use the answer on the wikipedia article for the facts I am inquiring about. There is no email citation on Citation templates or mention here Citing sources, but I have used email for class assignments, and received the template from the educators in the school system here, it is just that wikipedia editors wishing to double check would also have to email the same source I suppose to verify, and that would be bothersome to the source to keep getting the same email over and over. The sources I have emailed are the sources for the information. ie where do children in this community receive grade 10 - 12 education? - ask via email the elementary school which is online which goes to grade 9. I also need to verify -again via email- an inscription on a historical marker which is not in the majority of history books or in the majority of webpage sites per say. How do I satisfy my dilemna of getting facts, from the horse's mouth so to speak and be able to quote my reference and having the verifiability thingie looked after. Kind Regards SriMesh | talk 16:38, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Emails are generally not reliable sources, since most are never truly "published." That is to say, there is never a publicly available "official" copy that can be reproduced or reviewed by anyone who wishes. As such, it does not meet any standard for verifiability, since we have to go through a particular editor to do it (we could send our own request, but the respondant might not be the same person, or might not care anymore). The only exceptions to this are publicly viewable email forums, or emails to a librarian or archivist to request a copy or transcript of something that has been published but is very rare or otherwise hard to obtain (like an old book). Someguy1221 (talk) 16:46, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

SriMesh, the other problem you're going to run into is that sending email questions to people who would know, while they may be experts on the subject, also constitutes Original Research on your part, and so will likely get removed from articles that use this information. You would need to reference published third party sources as Someguy1221 said (for example, a magazine or newspaper article discussing these questions). Hope this helps! Arakunem^Talk 16:50, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There was once a citation template for unpublished emails but using it would violate Wikipedia:Verifiability so it was deleted at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2007 April 19#Template:Cite email - on my initiative by the way, and I enjoyed the last comment. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:15, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

One way to transform an unreliable source into a reliable source is to find some journalist who will write about it in a reputable publication. I've never actually tried to do that, so I don't know how it easy it would be. Probably it would depend on the subject, the sources you have, and what journalists you know. You may enjoy editing on Wikipedia more if you put the horse in front of the cart, so to speak, by reading articles in reliable sources such as the New York Times etc. and extracting tidbits from them to put into articles on Wikipedia. On Wikipedia, it's often easier to start with the reliable sources and find articles to put them in, than to start with the articles and try to find reliable sources for specific facts. --Teratornis (talk) 23:48, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Editing Pictures

I have been asked by the subject of a specific entry to maintain that entry as events occur. I can handle the text easily enough but I cannof find any understandable explanation about how to remove pictures (of the subject) inserted against his/her wishes and how to replace them with a more appropriate picture. Such instructions that I have found use terms that I do not understand and appear to be incomplete. John C Kay (talk) 17:03, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I assume you are referring to the Roz Savage article. You should know that neither you nor the subject owns the article, and the image there is not subject to her approval. See Wikipedia:Ownership of articles If you have another image of her which is subject to a free license, you can upload it at Wikipedia:Upload and then negotiate with the other editors on the article talk page over what images the article should show. —teb728 t c 18:24, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If an image meets the requirements, Commons would be a better place to upload it. – ukexpat (talk) 18:27, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The current pictures do not illustrate the subject in the context of her activity. I have a more appropriate one but am not at all clear how to replace the current ones. Even when the contributor haas removed the current pictures I do not know how to upload a replacement.

Part of the heading to the entry is factually incorrect: where it says "Rosalind (Roz) Savage is a British amateur rower and runner" it should say "Rosalind (Roz) Savage is a British eco-adventurer, writer and speaker, who uses her trans-oceanic rows to bring awareness to environmental issues." There seems no way to edit this part of the page. How is this done?

I realise that no-one "owns" any entry in Wikipedia and this has nothing to do with any neutral point of view. It has to do with accuracy of text and a picture appropriate to the subject.

Click on "Edit this page" at the top of the page, and you can edit it there...but I would suggest you refrain from editing the article if you have expressly been requested to do so by the article's subject - if nothing else, it constitutes a conflict of interest, which doesn't lend itself to an article which is written from a neutral point of view - the blue words in this sentence are links to policies on the relevant subjects. _Gb^T/c 19:47, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As for the image, you can pretty much forget about having Image:Roz Savage in Hawaii.jpg deleted from Wikipedia; it isn’t going to happen. But after you have uploaded your picture with a separate name, you may be able to persuade the other editors to let you replace it in the article. —teb728 t c 20:00, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Internet Explorer 6 SP2 Issues ~ Wiki Base Code Change?

I am one of those people that still much use IE6 SP2 at work for corporate reasons. I have noticed that both jumping to a link in Wikipedia from a Google search or directly in Wikipedia on many if not all pages Hange or freezes IE6 such that you either must kill IE as a process or wait for like 5-10 minutes until it loads the page.

I am pretty sure I noticed same at home on IE6 SP1 when testing without the corporate firewall. My guess is that some genious who programs Wiki's base connection or renderer decided that IE6 shouldn't be tested or supported on last update and thus we have the bug that we do.

This is stupid as a number of the Wiki pages are directly supported by corporate users, plus you cut us all out as users while at work. It isn't our idea or fault, but a very large number of corporations still use IE6 (typ. a custom build) for security and stability reasons within the company's applications.

This doesn't require anything more than validation and testing after likely confirmation from other users having issues with IE6 that only started within the last month or two. Prior to that I had no issues with Wiki on IE6 SP1/SP2 for the previous two years. Thanks!

--136.1.1.62 (talk) 17:03, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm also restricted to IE6 sp2 at work and have never encountered the issue you describe; so my first impulse is to believe it's either your system or specific to your employer's network or firewall. But, to help verify, do you have a link to a Google search example that has caused this issue? If so, I could try the specific link you're trying. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 17:12, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Math/Practice Problems

I just want to know how to access the problems in the math categories such as the algebra and geometry sections.

stoneywhitaker1974--Stoneywhitaker1974 (talk) 17:57, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid you might be slightly confused- Wikipedia is an encyclopedia; our purpose is not to teach, but to inform. We do not have any practice problems. You can read the articles on algebra and geometry, but I doubt they will help you learn to do math. However, many good sites exist that would have such practice problems, and I suggest you try searching other sources for them. --Alinnisawest,^{Dalek Empress} (extermination requests here) 18:00, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You might find some math practice problems on Wikibooks or Wikiversity. Let us know if you need help searching those sites. I think searching those sites should be trivially simple - for anyone who is smart enough to work math problems. --Teratornis (talk) 23:51, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the math stuff does look easy to find: b:Wikibooks:Mathematics bookshelf. --Teratornis (talk) 23:52, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question

"Articles about any organization, person, web site, or other entity should link to the official site, if any."

Eg.

Mamoru Oshii at IMDb

How do I do that for a site other than IMDB?

EDIT: Actually, that's a horrible example. I want to link to this http://www.sensesofcinema.com/contents/directors/04/oshii.html and also want to link to the main site. What's the correct formatting for that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stepusual (talk • contribs) 18:30, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There are a number of external link templates. Take a look at this category for links: Category:External link templates. If there is no relevant template, format it like this: [http://www.sensesofcinema.com/contents/directors/04/oshii.html Mamoru Oshii, article by Richard Suchenski at senseofcinema.com] and it will display like this: Mamoru Oshii, article by Richard Suchenski at senseofcinema.com. If you want to use the page as a citation, use the {{Web cite}} template. – ukexpat (talk) 18:37, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Many articles on organizations and the like have an infobox with the website. Example: IBM. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 18:52, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Harry Lumley

Dear Sirs I am a constant user of Wikipedia indeed it would be the rare day that I would not make reference to it whether for the page each day or as a matter of research. As a Canadian Citizen I have a deep and abising interest in Hockey and as such often secure knowledge related to events or players from Wikipedia. I have recently ascertained that there is a serious error related to one of the Members of the Hockey Hall of Fame which I believe should be corrected.It relates to an article about Harry Lumley and I will not bore you with the nature of the inaccuracy and error at this time.I am more concerned to find out the manner of correcting the error as I find the instruction on correcting inaccuracies difficult to understand and carry out.I am wondering if you would be so kind at to advise me the manner in which the inaccuracy might be corrected.I can be reached at the email address <email redacted> Thank-you for your kind attention and have a good day. Rod MacDougall —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.124.195.122 (talk) 18:39, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please discuss this at Talk:Harry Lumley (ice hockey) and provide reliable sources. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 18:50, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

just in case it's not clear: to discuss your concerns at Talk:Harry Lumley (ice hockey), click on that link, then on the "new section" tab that you'll see at the top of that page. a "window" will open where you can state your specific concerns. please sign your comments by typing four tildes (that's this mark: ~), then click "save page". other editors interested in the article will reply and problems with the content can be smoothed out.

oh and please don't put your email address on wikipedia pages ... hope that helps. Sssoul (talk) 19:19, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question

"This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding reliable references. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. "

About how many citations are needed for the above message to disappear?

Also, can somebody check and see if I did all the citations/references/notes on Oshii's article correctly (formatting is correct, everything required is present, etc.): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oshii

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stepusual (talk • contribs) 22:59, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That message doesn't disappear magically. If you feel the article is now sufficiently references, go ahead and remove it. It's generated by the code {{Refimprove|date=June 2007}} at the top of the page. Algebraist 23:03, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

September 20

Is there an error in the Wikipedia list of soundtracks featuring Nina Simone?

I use Wikipedia constantly, and was suprised, recently, to see a new addition to the list of films featuring Nina Simone's singing. The addition was 1992's "America Me." I went to Amazon.com to find the film, looked at the CD for the film, and nowhere is Nina Simone listed.

I would buy the soundtrack if Nina Simone were featured, and I wondered if the experts at Wikipedia wanted to check out this potential error.

Thanks... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wellmanswellman (talk • contribs) 00:56, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Listing American Me (1992) at the start of Nina Simone#On soundtracks appears to be wrong. I have found conflicting sources but most indicate that the movie has Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood#The Animals version. I guess other sources misunderstood it because the original version is by Nina Simone. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:33, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

uploading images

I'm a member of a forum for an artist and another member told me to upload a picture of the artist to her page, but I don't want to go through the whole email process. Shouldn't I just be able to upload it and stick her name next to it since there isn't a defacto copyright? Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 01:16, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The image needs to confirm to the copyright policies on Wikipedia for it to be uploaded. See Image copyright and copyrights Matt (Talk) 01:41, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think I'll have her upload it to flickr under an acceptable license. Its easier that way lol. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 01:45, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article Is Spam?

Hello, I tried to add an article about a popular website a while back and it was regarded as spam. What exactly was the determining factor behind this decision? Google and other large sites have articles here on wikipedia. Wikipedia only will allow a site to be featured in an article if it is deemed to be a MASSIVE site? So the popularity of the site is what determines whether its allowed to be featured? I mean, I could understand if it was some person who owns some brand new, cheap little webpage trying to get traffic... but I do not own the site in question and I am not affiliated with the owners of the site. I'm just a member of the site and have seen it being talked about quite a bit all over the net. It is quite popular as chat sites go. Although its not nearly as popular as Google or Facebook.... but that shouldn't be a reason to accept or decline an article about a site. It was not a spam attempt and I simply wanted to add to the large informational database of wikipedia. My article was legitimate and I feel that it was unfairly discarded of. I feel that my article was discriminated against. I would really appreciate it if someone in charge would take another look at the article and reconsider it's status. Here is the link...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TellYou

Regards, Drew —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.91.17.150 (talk) 01:34, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the Deletion Log for that page, it was deleted under section G11 of the Criteria For Speedy Deletion. It states, "Pages which exclusively promote some entity and which would need to be fundamentally rewritten to become encyclopedic. Note that simply having a company or product as its subject does not qualify an article for this criterion." You can request the content of a deleted article by contacting one of the admins on this page. Matt (Talk) 01:48, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Myriapoda has sprouted legs (or at least edit section links)

Someone recently made a very very small edit to article Myriapoda, but which however triggered the inclusion and display of the [edit] links for the preexisting sections.

Which would be fine, except that now the combination of... the pictures (?) and the new edit links are causing the [edit] links to be bunched together, instead of on each section header line as expected! At least this is true in FF3 and Opera 9.52, but not IE7!

Check if you see what I see. Look at each version of the article:

latest version has problem
previous version doesn't have problem (because no edit links at all)

Depending on text/font size, the [edit] link for section "Centipedes" starts moving down the page, eventually aligns alongside the link for the section below "Millipedes" and then they together migrate down the page. At a small enough text size you get four links together, for the four sections from "Centipedes" down to "Pauropoda", pushed down into the references area!

I have to wonder whether the images all bunched together before this set of sections have anything to do with the problem. But in preview mode I can't cause the problem, even with unmodified source, so that limits experimentation.

Any clue as to "bunched together [edit] links"? Shenme (talk) 02:04, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:BUNCH. --Teratornis (talk) 04:18, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why is information I've added being automaticly deleted?

I've recently been editing minor spelling errors as well as false information present in the Final Fantasy VII wiki page. The information I've added was completely legitimate and derived from personal experience playing the game. Every time I edit a mistake, my content is not present when I return to the page minutes later. What I have added is in no way inappropriate and considerbly more truthful than some information present in the ariticle now. I was under the impression anyone could edit and save information on your articles, and this is confirmed in your FAQ. So why is my information being rejected after spending all that time typing it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.158.108.234 (talk) 04:19, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looks to me like your changes to the article took just fine, though someone subsequently edited some of it. Can you be more specific about what you think was "rejected"? I wonder if it be a problem with the cache on your web browser? Crypticfirefly (talk) 04:54, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually someone reverted all of your edits here, with the edit summary, “Reverted good faith edits by 67.158.108.234; Info in parentheses unnecessary;” —teb728 t c 07:17, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

enlarging the font of gileki wikipedia

hi, i am Amin Sanaei, gileki wikipedia adminstorator. in gileki wikipedia, font of pages is very small and people can not read it!. if anbody can change it, please do that. the largest of font of farsi wikipedia is good for our gileki wikipedia. i try to do that but can not do that!.--AminSanaei (talk) 06:30, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Copy-pasting tables from Excel

I want to create a table of all the plant species in a certain country. The number is over 2000 species. Is there any quick algorithm for copy-pasting the table from Excel, without working separately on each and every row? Thanks, Gidip (talk) 07:11, 20 September 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Try the Excel-to-Wiki Converter. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 10:55, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

strange duplication

An hour ago or so i crated this account on de.wikipia.org. I read a German artikel bout Pleomorphismus and switchted to the correspondiente English lemma. Suddenly a window popped up and informed me about a database error. Immediatle afterwards this new Account was created on en.wikipedia.org. What the heck happened exactly? -- Shareyourknowledge (talk) 07:20, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your account here was created here automatically by the Unified login process. You also got a database error, which happens every so often. There was no connection between these events. Algebraist 09:20, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:WW2 Iwo Jima flag raising.jpg

The famous photo returns a 404 error. The two old versions of the image are also inaccessible. —teb728 t c 07:26, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have asked on the here about this because it's such a significant image.--82.148.54.182 (talk) 13:46, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

{{helpme}} needs a fix

Could someone technically minded please make {{helpme}} still work ok in all namespaces per Template_talk:Helpme#Namespace_restriction. Cheers, --Commander Keane (talk) 08:11, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

James Taylor discography

Resolved

Could someone attend to the anon's request at Talk:James Taylor discography, preferably after checking a source. Cheers, --Commander Keane (talk) 08:14, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like User:Mah00s already sorted it on the 19th. Sources[5][6] confirm. Ka renjc 10:50, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Special pages histories

Generally, is there any way I can view the histories (and possibly source code) of special pages? Are those changed from the MediaWiki: namespace or is it integrated in the software? -- Menti sock 12:16, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It depends on the special page. Some have text in the Mediawiki namespace (to find out where, go to Special:AllMessages and use your browser search). Others are defined in the software. Which are you interested in? Algebraist 12:26, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Special:Statistics - can the two not be distinguished? -- Menti sock 12:31, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The footer is at MediaWiki:Statistics-footer, and has a history like any other page. The rest of the page is, I believe, generated by the software, and has no page history as such. Algebraist 12:41, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I was wondering whether they can correct statistics there like the amount of stewards (since the steward list isn't on enwiki it's zero, but that's incorrect). -- Menti sock 13:42, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

wrong info

someone keeps adding not nice things to topics about our local town and businesses, and i am wondering if there is anyway of stopping it. I have changed it a few times as some things about Shildon in County Durham were stupid and wrong. Is there anything that can be done?

91.106.112.105 (talk) 13:05, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Leave a note on their talk page asking them to stop (see WP:WARN for some templates). If they don't stop after several warnings then you can report them to WP:AIV. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 13:21, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

@@ Line 908: / Line 908: @@
 The famous photo returns a 404 error. The two old versions of the image are also inaccessible. —[[User:TEB728|teb728]] [[User talk:TEB728|t]] [[Special:Contributions/TEB728|c]] 07:26, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
+:I have asked on the [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)|here]] about this because it's such a significant image.--[[Special:Contributions/82.148.54.182|82.148.54.182]] ([[User talk:82.148.54.182|talk]]) 13:46, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
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