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the reason i have added natural language tags is that i am blind and access the web via audio output (voice synthesis) alone; many, if not most, [[screen readers]] provide some support for natural language switching, so that the name, placename, title of a work, etc. is pronounced correctly if the user has a screen reader that supports natural language switching... for those interacting with the page visually -- especially those using high levels of screen magnifier|screen magnification, provided by a dedicated [[screen magnifier]] program -- by providing a hook to provide a glyph/character set switch; likewise, natural language tags can be used to control the output of a [[refreshable braille display]], as there are different conventions for each natural language represented as [[braille]], all of which are valuable aids to blind or visually impaired students, professionals, and the merely curious, which i argue is well worth the increase in the size of the article -- compared to a graphic, the addition of marking natural language switching is quite trivial... also, i replaced <nowiki>[[villancico]]s</nowiki> with <nowiki>[[villancico|villancicos]]</nowiki>, because the "s" that makes it plural will not be properly pronounced if it is outside of the hyperlink text (e.g. the user hears "villancio link s", which quickly becomes quite annoying to those processing the page aurally... if there are no MoS (or other) guidelines for such considerations, then there needs to be a section about accessibility, interoperability and internationalization. -- [[User:GJR|GJR]] ([[User_talk:GJR|talk]]) 05:37 UTC, 2008-09-26
the reason i have added natural language tags is that i am blind and access the web via audio output (voice synthesis) alone; many, if not most, [[screen readers]] provide some support for natural language switching, so that the name, placename, title of a work, etc. is pronounced correctly if the user has a screen reader that supports natural language switching... for those interacting with the page visually -- especially those using high levels of screen magnifier|screen magnification, provided by a dedicated [[screen magnifier]] program -- by providing a hook to provide a glyph/character set switch; likewise, natural language tags can be used to control the output of a [[refreshable braille display]], as there are different conventions for each natural language represented as [[braille]], all of which are valuable aids to blind or visually impaired students, professionals, and the merely curious, which i argue is well worth the increase in the size of the article -- compared to a graphic, the addition of marking natural language switching is quite trivial... also, i replaced <nowiki>[[villancico]]s</nowiki> with <nowiki>[[villancico|villancicos]]</nowiki>, because the "s" that makes it plural will not be properly pronounced if it is outside of the hyperlink text (e.g. the user hears "villancio link s", which quickly becomes quite annoying to those processing the page aurally... if there are no MoS (or other) guidelines for such considerations, then there needs to be a section about accessibility, interoperability and internationalization. -- [[User:GJR|GJR]] ([[User_talk:GJR|talk]]) 05:37 UTC, 2008-09-26


:See [[User talk:Jashiin#Re: Language templates|my message to Jashiin]] about the edit. I'm blind, and also use a screen reader, [[JAWS (screen reader)|JAWS]]. Which one do you use? See the guidelines about accessibility at [[Wikipedia:Accessibility]]: they prescribe the use of [[Template:Lang]] to indicate languages. I wouldn't have used them as much as you did, but I dislike sudden voice changes so I suppose it's a personal preference. About the link lengthening, I have only encountered this problem with links with apostrophe's in them like <nowiki>"[[John]]'s car."</nowiki> In fact, [[MediaWiki]] automatically converts links like <nowiki>"[[jog]]ging"</nowiki> to display as <nowiki">[[jog|jogging]]"</nowiki>. Hope this helps, '''[[User:Graham87|Graham]]'''<font color="green">[[User talk:Graham87|87]]</font> 08:35, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
:See [[User talk:Jashiin#Re: Language templates|my message to Jashiin]] about the edit. I'm blind, and also use a screen reader, [[JAWS (screen reader)|JAWS]]. Which one do you use? See the guidelines about accessibility at [[Wikipedia:Accessibility]]: they prescribe the use of [[Template:Lang]] to indicate languages. I wouldn't have used them as much as you did, but I dislike sudden voice changes so I suppose it's a personal preference. About the link lengthening, I have only encountered this problem with links with apostrophe's in them like <nowiki>"[[John]]'s car."</nowiki> In fact, [[MediaWiki]] automatically converts links like <nowiki>"[[jog]]ging" </nowiki> to display as <nowiki>"[[jog|jogging]]"</nowiki>. Hope this helps, '''[[User:Graham87|Graham]]'''<font color="green">[[User talk:Graham87|87]]</font> 08:35, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

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Language tags

Hello,

would you mind explaining your additions of language tags, such as the one you performed at Luis de Narváez? They don't seem to do anything to the text, yet the size of the article increases dramatically, which is not good. Also, concerning the same article, why did you replace [[villancico]]s with [[villancico|villancicos]]? The link remains the same, but again, this increases the size of the article. I don't remember any MoS (or other) guidelines for these things.. --Jashiin (talk) 13:10, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

aloha,

the reason i have added natural language tags is that i am blind and access the web via audio output (voice synthesis) alone; many, if not most, screen readers provide some support for natural language switching, so that the name, placename, title of a work, etc. is pronounced correctly if the user has a screen reader that supports natural language switching... for those interacting with the page visually -- especially those using high levels of screen magnifier|screen magnification, provided by a dedicated screen magnifier program -- by providing a hook to provide a glyph/character set switch; likewise, natural language tags can be used to control the output of a refreshable braille display, as there are different conventions for each natural language represented as braille, all of which are valuable aids to blind or visually impaired students, professionals, and the merely curious, which i argue is well worth the increase in the size of the article -- compared to a graphic, the addition of marking natural language switching is quite trivial... also, i replaced [[villancico]]s with [[villancico|villancicos]], because the "s" that makes it plural will not be properly pronounced if it is outside of the hyperlink text (e.g. the user hears "villancio link s", which quickly becomes quite annoying to those processing the page aurally... if there are no MoS (or other) guidelines for such considerations, then there needs to be a section about accessibility, interoperability and internationalization. -- GJR (talk) 05:37 UTC, 2008-09-26

See my message to Jashiin about the edit. I'm blind, and also use a screen reader, JAWS. Which one do you use? See the guidelines about accessibility at Wikipedia:Accessibility: they prescribe the use of Template:Lang to indicate languages. I wouldn't have used them as much as you did, but I dislike sudden voice changes so I suppose it's a personal preference. About the link lengthening, I have only encountered this problem with links with apostrophe's in them like "[[John]]'s car." In fact, MediaWiki automatically converts links like "[[jog]]ging" to display as "[[jog|jogging]]". Hope this helps, Graham87 08:35, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]