User talk:Pn57

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WaterPolo

Dear Pn57,

I am trying to start a WaterSports Wikiproject. I got this idea when I noticed that the Phelps page did not have a picture, even when it was a featured article on the main page, and when he broke the world record. Swimming/WaterSports needs a hub of workers to help with swimming related articles. The project would include long and short course, along with water ballet, syncro, diving, water polo, open water and the players of those sports. It might be given the name WaterSport(s). Its all up for discussion. If you are interested in helping out, please add your name to this list and add any comments you might have. See you around the pool, --wpktsfs 03:43, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

The Scientists of Modern Music

I restored the notability tag that you removed from The Scientists of Modern Music. It's not smart to remove a valid tag, when you don't fully understand Wikipedia policies. If you remove it again without first adding references to verify the band's notability, I will propose deletion of the article on the grounds of non-notability. If you dispute the proposed deletion, then I will nominate it under the WP:AFD process where other editors will examine the article and very likely conclude that the band lacks notability and will therefore delete it. You have three choices: 1) find reliable sources to verify the band's notability; 2) leave the tag alone and perhaps months will go by before someone decides to delete the article; 3) remove the tag and escalate to an AFD deletion within two weeks. Sbowers3 (talk) 16:06, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for responding. Let's start by looking at the notability guideline. Here are some of its criteria:

1. Has had a charted hit on any national music chart.
2. Has had a record certified gold or higher in at least one country.
3. Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable).
4. Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable; note that it is often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such.
5. Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury or Grammis award.

From the article I don't see that any of the above apply. So the best chance is this criterion:

1. It has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician/ensemble itself and reliable.
   • This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, and television documentaries except for ...

Now let's look at your references:

• the Falls Festival is merely a mention that the band was on the schedule.
• the Triple J reference looks okay but even it might not be totally independent and reliable.
• sanity.com is just a catalog entry

So perhaps you see why I say that the band's notability is questionable. Your best bet is to find newspaper or magazine articles about them - and add those references to the article. Or read WP:music to see if some other criterion will demonstrate notability.

Even though notability is marginal, the article is written and formatted better than many. I'm not (for now) proposing it be deleted. But someone else may see a complete lack of notability and propose deletion. On the other hand, some other editor might come along and try to find references to establish notability. Sbowers3 (talk) 16:59, 10 March 2008 (UTC)