User talk:Petercorless

Thank you! Because of your support, I was elected Assistant Coordinator of the Wikipedia Military History Project in February 2007.

Battle of Jilib

Nice teamwork! I was working on the article at the same time. --Petercorless 17:41, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Awards and thanks moved

Folks, I moved your thanks and praise to a different page:

• User:Petercorless/Community_Recognition

Please feel free to drop off further attaboys yonder. Very gratefully yours... --Petercorless

Maps

You should change to War in Somalia 2006 on your battles maps, now. --TheFEARgod (Ч) 17:02, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I understand your point of view, yet I maintain the war is still primarily a civil war, fought between the ICU, the TFG, Puntland, and Galmudug, etc., with the foreign intervention of Ethiopia (and others). The media still refer to it as a civil war as well, such as this Dec 24, 2006 reference in the Boston Globe: The surrogate war in Somalia --Petercorless 18:24, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

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Sir We are experiencing some kind of a edit war going on in Somaliland article and its cultural and regional sub articles. For example certain Wikipedia users deny the existance of Somaliland in Las Geel article and are deleting anything that honors Somaliland as in credit source. Further Ingoman user has yet to present verifiable articles to his ' Northland ' state his other state is full of contradictions including Somaliland and Somalia/Puntland status. The sources he has provided on button with allied users are all from untrusty private Somalia websites.Also I must object that Somaliland is described as an autonom region part of Somalia when it clearly is de facto independent and has secceeded. BBC,CNN , AFP , Reuters , UN all has acknowledged Somaliland is de facto independent. So how can a user on wikipedia ( ingoman ) claim something else and still protect his version of Somaliland with helps from moderators like Gyrofrog. Wikipedia is losing a bit of its integrity if we allow certian users 'guard' their contributions like its being done in Somaliland article.

Very unfortunate.

Igor akb80 (talk)

If you are moderator please keep an eye on Somaliland++

ip address

Hi, Peter. If you want to notify someone about troublesome edits, you can post a message at WP:ANI. You'll get a better response than by adding the information as an article. Joyous! | Talk 22:28, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Errr... thanks. The instructions need to be cleaned up and explained better. I did what I was instructed to do and hit the button. It created its own new page. I didn't understand what I was supposed to do differently. Thanks, and let me know what I need to do now. --Petercorless 22:30, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

WP:CITE

Hi Petercorless, first of, you're doing some amazing work on Wikipedia, thank you! However, it would be very helpful if you considered use of guidelines on citing sources included in WP:CITE. It's not compulsory but sources without retrieved on, author, date of publishing, etc. are generally considered invalid. F.e., if the your articles are to be considered for WP:FAC someone will have to add all the information you omitted, which will be much more difficult to do. Please consider using source citation templates; see Wikipedia:Template_messages/Sources_of_articles#Citations_of_generic_sources. Also consider providing edit summaries on your edits as it's helpful for other editors and may be use preview more often than submit as you are flooding wikipedia' database with edits often just one-three minutes one from another. Thank you.--Pethr 04:31, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Understood. Yes. Since the "urgency" of the Somalia war is winding down, I can take more time to read through the Wiki guidelines and put in the more formal information for references. I've been doing it on a few articles, but I had not been all-too-thorough yet. On the flip side, I am already going in at some places cleaning up those even-more glib links and poorly-formed external refs by others left long before me. As far as using "preview" -- I do. However, there are a number of technical issues I've been having, including losing sessions (particularly bad today), which require me to save early and often. Otherwise, the update gets "lost" when I try to submit it. I've also found a lot of my updates are iterative as I swap data around from section to section. There's just no other way to do that than a few submissions at a go. I'll try to do better with the change notes. --Petercorless 04:41, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for reply. Try hitting back buttom in your browser if your session is aborted or if you receive some kind of error from the server. It works for me in Safari/Firefox without exception. Hope it helps.--Pethr 05:02, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Good tip, which I did try, and it didn't work. Restarting the browser also did not seem to clear it up. However, by this evening, I'm back to mostly normal. --Petercorless 05:03, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

And what exactly is happening? What error are you seeing? It's unusual to say the least, modern browsers remember those things. I assume you're a mac user, I like using simple apps such as TextEdit for editing Wikipedia, it adds one copy and paste to the process but it can be more comfortable especially if you have enough screen real estate to accommodate browser and editor side by side.--Pethr 05:15, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd be editing, and suddenly I was unable to save. It would tell me I had lost my session. Going back and trying to re-submit would tell me I needed to log in again. Have to log out, then log in again, then go back to the page I was editing. I'd also have to copy the text buffer of the article, and paste it once I got back in and ready to edit. It was not a good time. It happened about 20 times today. It finally cleared up a few hours ago. --Petercorless 05:20, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

It seems that your problem is descibed in Help:Logging in#Log in problems but I'd double check cookies settings (usually in privacy tab in prefs) first. External text editor also might help (as you don't lose your changes when the session ends unexpectedly. Hope you will solve this!--Pethr 05:38, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: War in Somalia

I never said they weren't involved. I merely said the source provided next to their listing under 'combatants' makes no such claim. It states merely that the US gives 'tacit approval' to Ethiopia's military support for the TFG. Thus, it is wholly inaccurate and mis-representative to use it as a reference claiming the US is a 'combatant'. Further, if are not combatants, as you readily admit, why would they be listed under the 'combatants' section of the campaign box? —Aiden 13:26, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Check the reference I made, which shows the USN is indeed patrolling off the coast, and has committed to trapping escaping Jihadists. I mentioned they were on "Maritime Patrol," a form of combat support, though they are not direct combatants in the land combat. --Petercorless 13:29, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed

To say that his successor is the incumbent is false; he is the incumbent — he doesn't have a successor. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 12:49, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Eh... thanks. I didn't write that. And I agree. --Petercorless 12:50, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, of course you didn't — I misread the History. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 13:27, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Not a worry. It's taken care of. --Petercorless 13:54, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

African military history

Would you be interested in joining the African military history task force? Wandalstouring 18:41, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Done! --Petercorless 20:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Image lincensing

Hello, you should probably visit Commons and put licensing tags to your images, they're in danger of deletion. Conscious 22:16, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Argh!! I thought I did! --Petercorless 22:20, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Old Images

Hi Peter, I created commons:Category:Somali Civil War maps and placed your maps, as well as those created by others, there. I noticed that in one case you had noted on a talk that an image had been superceded by an updated upload. When you have the time, it would be helpful of using the "other versions" field to clarify both the "previous" and "succeeding" maps for the images, so users can step through the maps without searching the entire category. Cheers, BanyanTree 21:10, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! I was thinking of doing that just the other day but got sleepy! I took the old images and marked them with "badname" and also filled out the succeeding maps field. I also took out the Somali Civil War category field so that they would not clutter up the gallery. Yes, it would be confusing to someone to see the others, which I consider "deprecated" like old versions of software. --Petercorless 23:52, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Castle Marrach

• Please stop removing speedy deletion notices from articles that you have created yourself. If you do not believe the article deserves to be deleted, then please do the following:

1. Place {{hangon}} on the page. Please do not remove any existing speedy deletion notice(s)
2. Make your case on the article's talk page.

Administrators will look at your reasoning before deciding what to do with the article. Thank you. JuJube 10:47, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

• • You have recently re-created the article Castle Marrach, which was deleted in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policies. Please do not re-create the article. If you disagree with the article's deletion, you may ask for a deletion review. JuJube 11:55, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Bruce Williams

Hello, can you move your current article to Bruce Williams (Royal Navy). It is to follow the policy on disambiguation. Thank you, --Janarius 15:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Willdo. I had already created the redirect under that. I'll flip-flop it. --Petercorless 15:15, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Done. --Petercorless 15:17, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Galmudug

Galmudug isn't a civil war faction or a country so much as it's a state, like a USA state. Maybe there's a better template we can use? Galmudug's ambition, for instance, isn't to overthrow an authority or independence, but rather a regional administration.--Ingoman 01:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I know it is a "state" but it's not a country with its own currency, etc. I gave it the same sort of Infobox we're using for the ICU and other Somali Civil War factions. It is certainly not as well-organized as Puntland or Somaliland, and in fact, we've heard no news of it since the December battles. It is far more like a faction which declared itself like a state, such as Southwestern Somalia or the Juba Valley Alliance. --Petercorless 01:13, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Good work

Peter, great work on the Somali articles! How do you know so much about Somalia (I ask b/c aren't you an author on role playing games)? Anyways, keep up the good work!!! Cheers - - WilsonjrWikipedia (talk) 01:29, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks greatly! Besides the roleplaying games I have worked on, I work on a number of other games which are more historical, political and military. I came in "sideways" to the Somalia project. My other focus has been on the west Balkans (former Yugoslavia). --Petercorless 14:52, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

i agree your a good contributor please continue the fine work! RoboRanks 16:26, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Danke! I'm back after I took a week off after a lot of intense wikifying. --Petercorless 16:30, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree too, Peter. Impressive. I thought I'd find you at USMA or CentCom, not in computer games.

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User talk:Finfinne

Peter, you seem to have some interest/expertise in Somalia, which I lack. Can you take a look at these edits? I reviewed the changes, and as far as I can tell, all of this person's edits either introduced errors into cited figures, or removed citations entirely; I've reverted all of his recent edits. I have no idea what he's trying to accomplish, but this seems to be an ongoing pattern. -- Jim Douglas ^(talk) _(contribs) 07:34, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks greatly. Yes, he seems to be simply screwing with numbers, as many people have done with many articles. It's annoying, but you are to be commended for keeping sanity. --Petercorless 07:37, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

By the way, just noticed he was blocked. It's a shame when people try to be obtuse. --Petercorless 07:39, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, when I reverted the first batch of changes, I noticed that his talk page was already cluttered with similar warnings, so I sent him a final warning, with a links to prove to him that he had vandalized cited figures. He continued making the same sort of edits, so I reported him to WP:AIV. Unfortunately, I know nothing about the subject, so I have no way to tell if he's ever made any legitimate edits, so I only reported him for vandalism (i.e. temporary block) as opposed to a vandalism-only account (permanent block). -- Jim Douglas ^(talk) _(contribs) 07:46, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

The powerful state of Puntland

Good catch, man. --Whiskey Pete, 00:43 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Danke! The thing is that in relative terms of Somali politics, it is somewhat powerful. Also, thank you for the catches you have been making in many of the related articles. --Petercorless 04:45, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Somalia

Thanks, that was a pleasant surprise! I have to say, though, I'm baffled as to what that person (User talk:Finfinne, User talk:Eastafrica institute) is up to. I hesitate to call it simple vandalism...there seems to be a method to his madness; I just can't figure it out. I've wondered if possibly his English is so limited that he's not able to communicate well on talk pages, but if that's the case, he really shouldn't be editing articles on the English Wikipedia in the first place. -- Jim Douglas ^(talk) _(contribs) 07:33, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Most welcome! Yes. There often seems to be a method to many folk's insertions. I also try to give folks a chance to explain their actions, and invite discussion on the Talk pages. However, I have seen the Somali pages get very contentious regarding tribal ethnicity and I watch quite a bit of hijacking of the articles because of deep-seated ethnic and political agendas. Claims of condemnation of other factional leaders as "war criminals" or the apologetic whitewashing of similar pasts. When I saw these maps and entire clans were removed, I had an immediate concern there was some revisionism going on. --Petercorless 07:40, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar, at this point I feel little of my sanity is left. I deleted the images from User:Eastafrica institute and User:Sanaagian, who I also blocked. I need to go back to Sanaagian and see if he is a sockpuppet and if so of who. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 07:44, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I was actually relieved to find straightforward POV edits like this one; at least that's vandalism that I understand! But that business of repeatedly deleting the citations from the opening paragraph while leaving the text more or less intact just confuses me. And edits that just involve the addition, deletion, or changes to huge lists of mostly redlinked names leaves me at a complete loss. Without any context to go by, I have to let it go and hope for the best. I'm just glad you're keeping an eye on those articles to sanity-check the bizarre edits. -- Jim Douglas ^(talk) _(contribs) 07:51, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I am also concerned when there are long lists of undocumented additions. Some of them are based on other article sources on Wikipedia, but some, such as a recent addition of a General of the 1st Division of the new TFG army made me scratch my head. The only reference to that name I could find on Google that was similar is a 1997 track star from Somalia. Could it be the same person? A different person with the same name? I have no context. However, when I see "Tony Blair" listed as a Somali member of the ICU, even I smile at the baldfaced attempts of vandals. Nice try, but... Revert! --Petercorless 07:54, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Darod

Can you look at this and this, plus the newly created Sheikh Abdirahmaan bin Ismaaciil Jabarti. I can't seem to find any solid references to him under that name and even looking for the older version from the Darod article isn't that great either. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 07:38, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Urgh. Yes, it is problematic. I just left comments on Talk:Abdirahman Is'mail Al Jaberti. --Petercorless 08:03, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Also, just moved it to Abdirahman Is'mail Al Jaberti --Petercorless 08:10, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Thnaks. That seems to have a little better result in google.

Semi-Protect "Somali clan"

Thanks for that as well. It will help. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 10:13, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Re : PRM

Unsalted PRM, now redirected to Popular Resistance Movement in the Land of the Two Migrations. I've got no objections on redirects/disamb so long they have not gone through redirects for deletion. :) - Best regards, Mailer Diablo 05:19, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, United States Africa Command, was selected for DYK!

On February 11, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article United States Africa Command, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

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Categorizing "operations"

The category guideline actually calls for all combat operations to be placed into the "Battles ..." categories (which may be thought of as "Battles and combat operations..."; but that name would be needlessly long, I think, to actually rename them). Trying to do othewise is simply too confusing, since a "battle" in the modern sense may encompass an entire campaign (e.g. Battle of Gallipoli, Battle of France, etc.), while an "operation" may be quite small.

Hope that helps explain things! Kirill Lokshin 07:07, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

It's not a "battle." Stop changing it to a battle. It's an ongoing operation, mostly non-combat-oriented. --Petercorless 07:09, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, here's the question: is it a combat operation or not?

• If it is, then the category rules call for it to be placed in the "battle" category, regardless of whether it actually has "battle" in the title, is an entire campaign, etc.
• If it is not, then it should be under Category:Non-combat military operations.

In other words: I'm not arguing that it is a battle; merely that if it's a combat operation, it gets placed in the same category as battles do. Kirill Lokshin 07:12, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Your mode of thinking is rather narrow-minded. Two (2) military strikes have occurred in the theatre of operations defined under OEF-HOA. A number of other Military Operations Other Than War (MOOTW) have also occurred, such as anti-piracy interdictions. There have also been numerous civil-military operations and humanitarian missions. So the answer is that it is both a combat operation and a non-military operation. However, it's neither a "battle" nor a "war." I'm not one given to simply pigeon-hole article because guidelines are that -- guidelines. They are not to be used to shoe-horn or misinterpret truth. --Petercorless 07:25, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, is this primarily an issue of terminology, or of characterizing the operation as a combat one? In other words, would it be acceptable to place the article in a combat operation category that didn't necessarily label it a battle (e.g. placing the article in both Category:Non-combat military operations involving the United States and Category:Battles and combat operations involving the United States)?

(The background: given that this issue has come up before, WP:MILHIST is now planning a set of renamings of the form "Battles involving X" → "Battles and combat operations involving X", to avoid having to argue over whether something is a "battle" or not; and I'm wondering if that will resolve this particular issue or not.) Kirill Lokshin 17:23, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I'd be content to put it under both Category:Military operations involving the United States and Category:Non-combat military operations involving the United States, since though there were two (2) combat air strikes, the vast majority of OEF-HOA's activities have been MOOTW. So both of those categories are true of OEF-HOA. Just don't put it under a "battle" or a "war" since it is neither of those. I'm not sure I like the wierd complex renaming "Battles and combat operations involving X". There are battles. There are military campaigns. There are wars. What is lacking in your heirarchy is a "campaign" (Category:Military_campaigns) which is a series of battles in an overall war. Many operations are limited to a single battle. Some operations are related to an overall campaign. Some operations comprise an entire war. Other operations are not a battle, nor a campaign, nor a war. So... It depends. If I had the choice of "battle," "campaign" or "war," the closest analogy OEF-HOA would relate to would be a "campaign." Sans "campaign," leave it simply as an "operation", both military and non-military. --Petercorless 19:52, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Casualties unrelated to OEF-HOA

And, incidentally, if you're arguing that it's a non-combat operation, you might want to check whether the casualty counts in the infobox are actually related to it; having 2,500+ casualties almost certainly qualifies it as a "combat operation" that the U.S. is involved in (even if the U.S. isn't responsible for most of them). Kirill Lokshin 07:20, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I have argued that the "casualties" listed on the OEF-HOA page (carried over from CJTF-HOA) are an utter misattribution, since they are a "double-dipping" of the casualties listed under the Second Battle of Mogadishu and the Rise of the Islamic Courts Union (2006). Nothing that happened in Somalia, aside from the two U.S. airstrikes, have anything to do with OEF-HOA on an official basis. Hence, I have argued strenuously in the past to remove those casualty figures. --Petercorless 07:25, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

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Thank you for your insights

into making the Battle of Cieneguilla a better article. I was not really looking for a critique of the article, or lack of one - if someone does not like it they are free to delete it - rather I was using it as an entry point for getting your opinion as to where the edges of original research might be and also your thoughts on the archeologist issue. I appreciate your time and energy in collecting those web sites and for responding to my questions. Carptrash 07:54, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Most welcome! Once a subject comes up to my attention, I tend to get interested. I think it would make a good article. As for the "original research," you know the answer to that already. :) --Petercorless 09:05, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: L33ter/XCalibre

Well, there's no policy against having a signature different from one's actual username—indeed, a great many users do just that—so it's not a problem in of itself.

As far as the other stuff, we'll consider it if/when it actually makes a difference. Kirill Lokshin 13:46, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Tablighi Jama'at

I have lost track of the excision which you talked about on my userpage. I see that a lot of discussion has taken place after that so I think the issue was discussed. Please leave comments on my Talk page rather than my main userpage which I don't monitor. Thanks. --Nkv 09:52, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Battle of Cieneguilla

I have to give you a big thumbs-up also! Nice job. --Petercorless 21:02, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Peter. -- Szvest - ^{Wiki me up ®} 11:05, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks much for the vote!

I was grateful to see your vote for me. Regardless of who gets appointed as a MilHist AC, I look forward to working with you over the coming year. Rock on! --Petercorless 16:38, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I was astonished when i found out that i hadn't voted for you before. I thought i had done it before! Working w/ you is my pleasure as well. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up ®} 16:51, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks muchly. The list of candidates is strong. I'm pleased to be near the top 7. Even if I don't get in, I'm quite happy to support all those who are appointed. Best of luck! --Petercorless 16:54, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Nagorno-Karabakh War

Hey Peter, so what becomes of the article? Most of the voters have voiced support for the article so....Their's some minor issues on the NK War talk page regarding the article's sources but I believe we've gone over it several times over. If you can just input your opinion on both issues (FAC candidacy and sources on Talk Page), it would be much appreciated. Good job on your appointment, regards --MarshallBagramyan 20:16, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

That's a good question. Just reading over the list of supports and oppositions, there is no clear consensus. However, some of those oppositions seemed partisan to me, and others seemed out of date by the end of the debate and the revisions the article went through. Unfortunately, that might fail it for FA status based upon instability. But let's see what others say. --Petercorless 23:27, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

L33ter

He's violated 3RR on the Sanaag article. I've warned him but it was a few hours ago. Also because I am involved in it I will not block him. SO you may need to report at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 11:01, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

True, he's violated 3RR, but he had his reasons, trying to hold to what he considered was true and factual. Rather than simply see him banned, I'd like to engage him for the good. However, after my latest additions, which show the Somaliland division more accurately (10 districts, six of which graded "A" through "C" were involved in the 2005 elections), if he continues to simply blank the section, we can escalate matters. I'd prefer to battle over who has the best citations than simply win by fiat of getting him ousted. But yes, simply reverting excisions is no fun. --Petercorless 11:07, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

OK but the only thing is your edits have references. His have none on the article page. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 11:11, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Quite true. He's simply blanking the section. Not good form. Let's give him some time to read over what I added tonight. If we continue to get blanked sections, we can escalate. Right now, I have to say that the additional pressure to prove my point through citations actually has taught me a bit more about the area. But his methods of editorial contribution do leave much to be desired. --Petercorless 11:15, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: FA status for Nagorno-Karabakh War

It's up to the featured article director, really; in the end, he's the one that will make the call. Kirill Lokshin 19:23, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Somali diaspora

This is a copy and paste of the section from Somali people. Not sure if it's a good or bad thing yet. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 09:36, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Re

Hey Peter, thank you for the award. Your comments on the NK War Talk page could not have been said any better. Your mediating and contribution during its FAC was excellent and I am very grateful for the time you spent helping to improve the article's quality. Thank you, --MarshallBagramyan 16:12, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

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Congrats!

Assistant Coordinator of the Military History Wikiproject

Congrats on your election as an assistant coordinator. In honor of your achievement, I present you with these stars. I wish you luck in the coming term. TomStar81 (Talk) 00:37, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks muchly Tom! --Petercorless 06:01, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the Barnstar!

My first! (And hopefully not my last!!) I didn't even know about them before. I am glad you liked my work, and I hope to improve it and do much more. Shoreranger 23:55, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

You are most welcome! --Petercorless 23:56, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Coordintors please drop by

The old coordinators (Kirill, Dryzen and me) decided to established a kind of regular meeting of the coordinators. The intention is to exchange information, opinions and coordinate our work. The current meeting is here. Wandalstouring 00:56, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Campaign categories

You might want to drop by this discussion (seeing as you were the person who was responsible for much of the original drafting and all that). ;-) Kirill Lokshin 01:38, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Allies of WW2

I have added mention of France in 1939-40. The UN certainly existed during WW2; the security council did not. We need a reference for France in 1944-45, not for something that happened in 1946. Grant | Talk 03:48, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I repeat; a reference for 1944/45 please. If we are talking about 1946 we may as well be talking about 2006. Grant | Talk 04:20, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Potsdam Conference is 1945. --Petercorless 04:21, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I have the flu at the moment, so I'm somehwat terser than I would be otherwise. Nevertheless, as I've worked on Allies of WW2 for a couple of years now, I feel somewhat protective of it. Can we please discuss major changes before you implement them? Grant | Talk 05:53, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Surely. You also have my sympathies for your illness. I will in return ask for you to not be so defensive over articles. Recall that no one "owns" Wikipedia articles. --Petercorless 07:20, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

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Knights Templar

Yup, I'd been meaning to get to that for awhile, and your edit reminded me.  :) BTW, I've submitted a formal GA nomination for the article, though I haven't heard anything back yet. After the article gets a bit longer though, I intend to go for FA. So if you see anything else you'd like to add, by all means, have at it! --Elonka 23:08, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I was actually just thinking, that if we could get this article revved up in time, it would be the perfect choice for the main page FA on October 13, 2007, since that would be the 700-year anniversary of Philip's arrests of all the French Templars. Do you think that's a reasonable target date? --Elonka 05:10, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

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World War II Mediation Case

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I noticed that you added Pacific War to the mediation case - from a quick look over there I couldn't immediately see a directly related dispute, so I'm not sure that it's entirely appropriate to merge them together. Certainly, the participants do look similar, and the discussion is on a similar topic, but I'm not sure they're similar enough to try to handle in the same case. I'd appreciate if you could maybe explain your reasoning a little more to help me understand why you made the addition. Thanks! —Krellis (Talk) 01:00, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

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Concerning Holocaust & Genocide

I was hoping that wikipedia may be able to make a section for Holocaust & Genocide as either a project or portal. I thought that it might be part of the Military project of the History section. Looking for assistance with this. Thanks. I would appreciate comments & assistance to be left on my talk page [[1]]. I hope to hear from you soon. Eric Rodrigues.

Podcasts

I'm in contact with a podcaster who wants to produce an 'Over the Wire' series, but seems now open minded to podcast other content. It seems like a good way to publicate to me and it might be far easier for us than a wikireader. I pointed out that I'm not willing to create any such thing outside wikipedia (legal issues). Do you know some potential topics and who would be interested in creating such casts? Wandalstouring 17:12, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

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I have a vague surety that in one of the branches of the US Military, all officers (male or female) are addressed as "Sir". But, I can't remember which branch. And I can't seem to devise a set of search terms/criteria that can tell me which branch it is (using Wikipedia, Google, library books, or military websites). Do you know? If not, do you know where I can find out? I'd appreciate any help or guidance.

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Wikipedia:Release Version Nominations/Set Nominations/Wars of Africa

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WikiProject Biography Summer 2007 Assessment Drive!

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WikiProject Biography Newsletter 5

The Biography WikiProject Newsletter Volume IV, no. 4 - September 2007
Project News The three-month long Summer Assessment Drive, organized by Psychless, was a huge success! It ran from June 1 – September 1, and reduced the backlog of unassessed articles from 113,385 to 56,237. In all, over 100,000 articles were assessed. Over 60 people contributed in some way. A barnstar has been created for exceptional work on Wikipedia biographies and for assisting the project. The Biography Barnstar is listed with the other WikiProject awards and can be awarded easily with a template. See the template page for more details. Member News Congratulations to the editors who worked on the newest featured biographies: Augustus; William Shakespeare; Adriaen van der Donck; Alfred Russel Wallace; Alison Krauss; Anne Frank; Anne of Denmark; Asser; Bart King; Bill O'Reilly; Bobby Robson; Bradley Joseph; CM Punk; Ceawlin of Wessex; Colley Cibber; Cædwalla of Wessex; Dominik Hašek; Elizabeth Needham; Frank Macfarlane Burnet; Georg Cantor; Gregory of Nazianzus; Gunnhild Mother of Kings; Gwen Stefani; Hannah Primrose, Countess of Rosebery; Harriet Arbuthnot; Harry S. Truman; Henry, Bishop of Uppsala; Héctor Lavoe; Ine of Wessex; Ion Heliade Rădulescu; Jack Sheppard; Jackie Chan; Jay Chou; John Martin Scripps; John Mayer; Joseph Francis Shea; Joshua A. Norton; Kate Bush; Kazi Nazrul Islam; Kevin Pietersen; Martin Brodeur; Mary Martha Sherwood; Mary of Teck; Maximus the Confessor; Miranda Otto; Muhammad Ali Jinnah; P. K. van der Byl; Penda of Mercia; Pham Ngoc Thao; Rabindranath Tagore; Ramón Emeterio Betances; Red Barn Murder; Richard Hakluyt; Richard Hawes; Robert Garran; Roman Vishniac; Ronald Niel Stuart; Ronald Reagan; Roy Welensky; Rudolph Cartier; Samuel Adams; Samuel Beckett; Sarah Churchill, Duchess of Marlborough; Sarah Trimmer; Sargon of Akkad; Shen Kuo; Sophie Blanchard; Stereolab; Sydney Newman; Sylvanus Morley; Tim Duncan; Timeline of Mary Wollstonecraft; Uncle Tupelo; Waisale Serevi; Wallis, Duchess of Windsor; Walter Model; William Bruce; William Goebel; Yagan; Zhou Tong; Æthelbald of Mercia; Æthelbald of Mercia New Members Congratulations to our 225 new members	From the Editors The newsletter is back! Many things have gone on during the past few months, but many things have not. While the assessment drive helped revitalize the assessment department of the project, many other departments have received no attention. Most notably: peer review and our "workgroups". A day long IRC meeting has been planned for October 13th, with the major focus being which areas of the project are "dead", what should our goals be as a project, and how to "revive" the dead areas of our project. Contribute to the discussion on the the new channel (see below) We decided to deliver this newsletter to all project members this month but only those with their names down here will get it delivered in the future. This is your newsletter and you can be involved in the creation of the next issue. Any and all contributions are welcome. Simply let yourself be known to any of the undersigned or post news on the next issue's talk page New irc channel Lastly, a new WikiProject Biography channel has been set up on the freenode network: #wikipedia-en-bio Our thanks to Phoenix 15 for setting it up. Contributors to this Issue Psychless (talk · contribs) Phoenix 15 (talk · contribs)
Complete To Do List Write an article Expand an article about: a person an actor an animator an artist a bishop a businessperson a diplomat an educator an engineer a lawyer a military person a musician a photographer a saint a politician a scientist a sportsperson a writer Improve an article by: adding references adding categories Review an article Romano Volta • Suzanne Carrell • Mullá Husayn • John Gilchrist (linguist) • Thomas Brattle • Answer requests for comments Work on the Portal Portal:Biography Assess an article Assessment requests Unassessed articles Assessment Progress Biography articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Core Other ??? Total FA 35 1,639 1,674 FL 205 205 FM 630 630 A 1 131 132 GA 41 8,405 8,446 B 99 40,752 40,851 C 33 173,368 173,401 Start 1 767,057 767,058 Stub 1 1,030,121 1 1,030,123 List 8,187 8,187 Category 271,035 271,035 Disambig 41,445 41,445 File 922 922 Project 247 247 Redirect 1 35,968 35,969 Template 10,316 10,316 NA 429 429 Assessed 212 2,390,857 1 2,391,070 Unassessed 24,100 24,100 Total 212 2,414,957 1 2,415,170 WikiWork factors (?) ω = 10,849,013 Ω = 5.37
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Proposed deletion of Carpent tua poma nepotes

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Proposed deletion of Carpent tua poma nepotes

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Carpent tua poma nepotes, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page.

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Gah! Give me more than 0 seconds to actually improve the article. I just did as suggested above. I removed the mark, and I am going to improve the article. I *just* added in the comments on the talk page. But sheesh! Can't a person get a few minutes to update an article before it's blasted away? You'd think people would get a bit of a break to actually *type in text* before the article was deleted. It's coming. Hold up. Otherwise you'll delete it before I can even write it. 20:02, 17 August 2008 (UTC)~

AfD nomination of Carpent tua poma nepotes

I have nominated Carpent tua poma nepotes, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carpent tua poma nepotes. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Gunnar Hendrich (talk) 19:58, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Carpent tua poma nepotes

Restore please. Discussion: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Carpent_tua_poma_nepotes

Is this Wikipedia, or "whocanshootanarticleintheheadthefastest.org?"

• If I was citing other web sites, how was this OR?
• It was notable because it was about the long-view of Roman society. It is utterly ironic modern readers with short-decision cycles were so shortsighted (and narrow-minded) to utterly blow the article away rather than allowing it to develop over time.
• I would like to start the article again and not have it blown away by people who a) don't care, and b) don't know why it was important to Roman culture.
• If you are not interested and don't care about a topic, you can always ignore it. This is not "original research." I just did not have every assertion specifically quoted to an original source on the web. Rather than give me even so much as a week to get my books sources together, you leaped on it like intellectual jackals.
• If you don't agree with some of the specific assertions, use the talk page. Using AfD vetoes the idea, and does not improve the content a single iota.
• You are wishing away a cultural ideal of the Roman society. ("La-la-la-la, I'm not listening.")
• The calls to delete occurred within mere minutes of the article being created. How in the world do you know if the article has value if you delete it half-way through authoring?
• If people had debate on the tone or POV of the article, that can be changed without _deleting_ the entire article.
• I did cite where it was from. I even had a link to it.
• As far as not getting back to it before the AfD concluded, it looks like people already sentenced the article to death regardless of my own hopes. There's a reason Pythagoreans warned about "democratic" mob rule. What ever happened to pluralism?

--Petercorless (talk) 05:04, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

• I agree with your sentiments but a deletion review will not be productive. I suggest that you recreate the article under an English title which makes the topic clearer and buttress it with a solid source from the outset. Colonel Warden (talk) 08:06, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

• • It is productive if people let, allow, and permit it to be so. Which I posit will be the case upon logical reflection. It is sociologically maladaptive to be so driven to squelch this article. Colonel, your idea is a good one. In fact, in the sense of "and"-based thinking, we can create both Latin and English, and link both to the same destination. We have articles about Hello Kitty. I have no idea why *that* expression of modern popular culture merits inclusion while the historical popular culture of the Roman civilization, expressed by "Carpent tua poma nepotes" would be driven from the memetic space of Wikipedia. --Petercorless (talk) 17:57, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

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Review of Carpent tua poma nepotes

Hi,

I have passed on your request for deletion review to the closing admin User:PhilKnight.

Regards,

Gunnar Hendrich (talk) 07:21, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Article restored and moved to user space

Hi Petercorless, I've restored the article, and moved it to User:Petercorless/Carpent tua poma nepotes.--PhilKnight (talk) 19:43, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion of 25 June 1997

A tag has been placed on 25 June 1997 requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. -- Mufka ^{(u) (t) (c)} 18:40, 13 October 2008 (UTC)