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Sorry, but those aren't references - they're works published by the subject of the article, not independent, third-party references about him. Have a look at [[WP:V]] and [[WP:RS]]. [[User:CultureDrone|CultureDrone]] ([[User talk:CultureDrone|talk]]) 10:16, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, but those aren't references - they're works published by the subject of the article, not independent, third-party references about him. Have a look at [[WP:V]] and [[WP:RS]]. [[User:CultureDrone|CultureDrone]] ([[User talk:CultureDrone|talk]]) 10:16, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
:response from Thesweeper2008. Again, I am baffled by what you mean when you say, "Sorry, but those aren't references - they're works published by the subject of the article, not independent, third-party references about him." In fact, the references throughout are precisely ''independent, third-party references about him'', all of which have been published in reputable books or journals. I am referring specifically to the published, third-party opinions of Wright, Kaye, Chadwick, Barr, Hurst, etc. Please specify what you mean by ''those'' in ''those aren't references''.
:response from Thesweeper2008. Again, I am baffled by what you mean when you say, "Sorry, but those aren't references - they're works published by the subject of the article, not independent, third-party references about him." In fact, the references throughout are precisely ''independent, third-party references about him'', all of which have been published in reputable books or journals. I am referring specifically to the published, third-party opinions of Wright, Kaye, Chadwick, Barr, Hurst, etc. Please specify what you mean by ''those'' in ''those aren't references''.
::If you're going to reply, please at least let me know you've done it - I can't monitor the talk pages of everyone :-) Thanks. [[User:CultureDrone|CultureDrone]] ([[User talk:CultureDrone|talk]]) 10:43, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

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Hi. Re this article - please stop just adding comments - the article currently has no references to prove any of the claims made. Please try and concentrate your efforts on improving the article by adding references and sources. Thanks CultureDrone (talk) 07:36, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh - and G.B. Caird too !
By the way, I apologise if my original comment sounded rather dictatorial ! It's just that proving statements is an important part of Wikipedia (despite the public perception !) and these articles, whilst no doubt well written and notable, aren't actually currently in line with WP guidelines - perhaps I could have phrased it slightly less like an order, and more like a request - I blame low blood sugar :-) CultureDrone (talk) 08:20, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Response from Thesweeper2008. Hello, thanks for your comment about not being dictatorial. I am sure you are trying to be helpful. However, in response to your point(s), I am 100% baffled by your statement that "the article currently has no references to prove any of the claims made. Please try and concentrate your efforts on improving the article by adding references and sources." I am not certain how you say that there are currently NO references to PROVE any of the claims made, when the article is virtually riddled with third-party, published references throughout to support the claim or to cite the source of a quotation. And what specific "claims" are you referring to? I hope am not sounding sarcastic, but biographies are not a matter of E = MC2. What do you consider "proof" when dealing with an individual's life, if not the published viewpoints of those colleagues who knew and worked with him, and who published these opinions in major forums and publishing outlets such as The Oxford University Press or the Proceedings of the British Academy? As I say, the article is COMPLETELY referenced throughout with valid citations from publications written by the likes of Professors James Barr, Henry Chadwick, Bishop N. T. Wright, and others. And also, why have you chosen to address me by my actual name rather than my Wikipedia username? Is that the correct way of doing it? I somehow doubt it. I have thus replaced it with my Wikipedia username at the very top. I would appreciate it if you do not change back again. Thank you.

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Sorry, but those aren't references - they're works published by the subject of the article, not independent, third-party references about him. Have a look at WP:V and WP:RS. CultureDrone (talk) 10:16, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

response from Thesweeper2008. Again, I am baffled by what you mean when you say, "Sorry, but those aren't references - they're works published by the subject of the article, not independent, third-party references about him." In fact, the references throughout are precisely independent, third-party references about him, all of which have been published in reputable books or journals. I am referring specifically to the published, third-party opinions of Wright, Kaye, Chadwick, Barr, Hurst, etc. Please specify what you mean by those in those aren't references.
If you're going to reply, please at least let me know you've done it - I can't monitor the talk pages of everyone :-) Thanks. CultureDrone (talk) 10:43, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]