Talk:Integrity

Linguistic Note

From a purely linguistic view, "integrity" is an odd word. To define the word by part of speech, "integrity" is a noun; yet it is always used as a descriptor of nouns, both abstract and concrete. In other words, intergrity is only used in English in the "***** has integrity" format. But while the word "integrity" is always used to describe nouns, there is no adjective form of the word (ie., no integrious, integritious). This is especially odd if the etymology of the "integrity" is correct and it comes from the Latin adjective, "integer." I am certain there are more words like this. My goal is to collect all such oddities =)

Forgive my ignorance of customary formatting. Regarding the above linguistic note: You may want to look into ontology. The nouns you refer to are considered properties and only exist (depending on the theory) insofar as they are predicated of another existent. See also predication, universals, particulars. This is off the top of my head, but it might help you approach your goal.

As far as ontology/epistemology is concerned, what you said about ontology is valid only for nominalist and eventually for conceptualist theories. Realist theories say that properties really exist. E.g., the property of having beauty (being beautiful) is due to participating to the Idea of Beauty. Beauty exists in itself. Even the language tells it "She has beauty", i.e. she owns a piece of the Idea of Beauty. Altough, from a realist standpoint, more correctly it would be said that she participates in Beauty, or that Beauty has her.

Further, "quality" is also a noun. There is no "qualitous" or so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tgeorgescu (talk • contribs) 15:29, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Observation in respect to integrity tests

As said, there is an easy way to cheat at integrity tests. But not all answers have to be a 100% agreement with the mentioned attributes, because no person in that area is so dumb in order for him/her to believe in a 100% perfect integrity score. Tgeorgescu 10:51, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

irrelevant and bad english

"Integrity is when your trustworthy."

Integrity is when you are trustworthy. Also, this is completely irrelevant in the subheading mathematics —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.76.142.96 (talk) 01:37, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Uhh... Citation needed. Muchly.

I think this article needs a little beefing out, and not in the form it has been getting recently. There are so many statements that are merely opinion, but stated as fact. I have no problem with this, as long as they are used as quotes of someone who thought that way. If you (67.183.136.6 and many others) want to create a page detailing why you think the way you do about integrity that is well written and presents its arguments persuasively on your own site and cite your opinion here, go ahead. Otherwise, keep the article clean.

Also, shouldn't there be separate articles for the different kinds of integrity? I was actually looking online for a good explanation of integrity as it applies to material science, and nothing came up at all. I can't find my copy of Engineering Alloys, which had an excellent definition if I remember correctly. If I find the book I shall make a page posthaste. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sortitus (talk • contribs) 04:15, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. There are some parts to this page that appear to be accurate but there are a couple of sections that could use major improvement. "Evaluating/measuring integrity" seems to be inferring much more than is reasonable from the use of language. I believe that integrity is generally viewed as being a continuous variable not "all-or-nothing." The "all-or-nothing" example merely demonstrates people using an extreme form when it is not truly intended that way. Similarly when people say "last scraps" of integrity, they are not measuring integrity in a unit called "scraps" nor are any properties of "scraps" implied by that usage. It merely means "a relatively small amount". The section "(Tests of) professional integrity" does not explain how these tests work or provide any citations. The first sentence in that section is ok and I think can be taken at face value. The rest as far as I can tell is wild conjecture so should be removed. 216.36.186.2 (talk) 20:31, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. This whole article reeks of exactly that which I suspected... that "integrity" is a weakly defined concept that noone really knows exactly what it is.

We need citations for this and lots of 'em. Otherwise thise whole article becomes a subject for deletion. --J-Star (talk) 14:03, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Disappearance of material

On 2008-09-26 at 0556 hours an unregistered Wikipedian using a previously non-editing IP address removed almost 50 percent of this article, obliterating multiple tags and eliminating various views of integrity without making any comment. Failing an explanation on the Talk-page, I propose to restore the deleted material. -- Pedant17 (talk) 04:02, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

I have restored the article from massive vandalism committed by a group of cultists called "Psycans", who spread their ideology as if it were a mainstream scientific fact. E.g., there are no (nummerical) measures for ethical values -- the edit made by Psycansis is a complete rant. I suggest that this page become protected by moderators, and that the vandals (often known only by their IP's) are banned from Wikipedia. Tgeorgescu (talk) 13:29, 25 October 2008 (UTC)