Talk:Adriana Lima

How can we get a photo of her on here without infringing on any copyrights? MDesigner 20:21, Dec 17, 2004 (UTC)

Ahhh, I found a site that says that its photos are "believed to be from the public domain." That works for me. I'll dig up a nice face shot and post it up, as well as a link to the site which has a ton of photos of her (yum). MDesigner 06:08, Dec 18, 2004 (UTC)

well, it doesn't seem like it is: it's clearly a VS pic. in fact, i wonder if that claim isn't just the site owners' way of covering their butts in case they're caught (after seeing that on several sites).Frencheigh 06:16, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

    I'm pretty sure that photo is of Alessandra Ambrosio, not Adriana Lima.

I believe that her official "comp card" falls in the official promotional picture category of fair use, and have uploaded that. Source [1] Calwatch 10:55, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

This hand wringing about infringing on copyrights is silly. There are photos of her all over the internet that have been placed "Without Express Written Permission", and a quick click over the Wiki page on Victoria's Secret shows her on the magazine cover. That is the image that should be used here

Whether it's fair use actually depends which article it's used in. (That's the general agreement anyway.) See the text of Template:Magazinecover and the associated discussion page. Frencheigh 01:23, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

the most famous thing about her is she has super eye, best looking eye in the world and it should be posted here

That's not what she is known for, besides it's not NPOV to state it as an encyclopedic fact. She is famous for being a VS model.

Eye Color

Wouldnt it be fair to describe her eye color as silver? Seems more shiny greyish than bluish to me

According to FMD, they are blue/grey. Silver is not an existing eyecolor afaik. ► robomod 21:53, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Video Entry

Wasn't she also in Aerosmith's 'Girls of Summer' video? PerlKnitter 21:26, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

No i don't think so.

Hmm, I have seen several references to Jaime Pressley and Kim Smith as two of the three. I thought I had seen somewhere that Adriana was the third. If not her, then who is it? PerlKnitter 20:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

no.. it doesn't really look like her. adriana has blue/green eyes not brown and her face is rounder. so i don't think its her.

A homemade porno of her is now on the internet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.57.67.212 (talk) 06:40, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

THATS NOT HER IN THE VIDEO HER REP EVEN SED ITS NOT HER, LOOK LIKE HER A BIT BUT NOTICE HOW SHE DOSENT LOOK AT THE CAMERA PLUS SHES A VIRGIN AND ALSO Y WUD SHE DO A HOME VID SHES GOT THE MONEY AND THE FAME. ALSO SHE SED HER AND LENNY KRAVITZ WERE NEVER AN ITEM LET ALONE ENGAGED, SHE SAID THEY ARE JUST GOOD FRIENDS.

Wrong heritage

Adriana is only of Native Indian, African, and Swiss descent. Wrong info. You can watch this video of her at youtube mentioning her ethnic background....No where does she says anything about French,Portguese,Japanese, or "Afro Brazilian"...BTW-Nor is she "Native American"...More like Native Brazilian Indian...Was she born in America? No, so how in the world is she half "Native American"?Cococanelle 05:21, 23 August 2006 (UTC) Youtube Interview

Yes, i realized something was wierd about it.. Japanese?!

Afro-Brazilian is the same thing as African, in this case. 24.186.192.247 16:08, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Someone keeps taking out her African heritage, although she herself has specifically said on numerous occasions that she IS of African descent. These racist revisions on certain people's pages are unfounded and need to stop.

BTW-Nor is she "Native American"...More like Native Brazilian Indian...Was she born in America? No, so how in the world is she half "Native American"?

Native Americans are not limited to only North America. They include Central and South America as well. She was born in America, South America, unless you're referring to the United States of America. Anyhow, she may be of Native American descent.

I'm no expert on Lima's heritage (who really is?), but Cococanelle established it at the top of this section enough for the info to have stood for quite awhile, although the Youtube link is dead. The second citation supporting her heritage in the article was also dead so I deleted that, leaving one link that provides conflicting reports. The source isn't exactly what I'd call credible, but if it's going to be used at all, one claim of heritage from the source has to be used over the other - not a mix of them both. Since the source's first claim is African, Native South American, and Swiss, which apparently confirms Lima's own comments in the Youtube video, I think we have no choice but to maintain that within the article unless a more definitive source is found. Mbinebri (talk) 00:07, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, a certain editor is continually adding additional heritage claims to the article and refuses to discuss the changes in this talk page as responsible Wikipedians should do, so to explain what's happening: I've re-included both sets of claims to Lima's heritage in the hopes of both keeping the article valid and appeasing this editor. She might just revert my edits anyway, so if you have an opinion on this, feel free to comment because a few more opinions on this would help. Mbinebri (talk) 22:30, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

User:68.13.145.189

I have reverted the edits from User:68.13.145.189 because it looked like sneaky vandalism, which was also a little apparent from the user contribution. I don't know of other contributions though. Others may look into the matter.-- Anupamsr|talk |contribs  15:37, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

SHE IS BRAZILLIAN FULL STOP, THATS WHY HER, GISELE, AND AMBOROSI, ARE THE 3 HOTTEST THINGS OUT OF BRAZIL AND CLOSE FIRENDS AS ITS BEEN SED MANY TIMES —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.184.22 (talk) 01:42, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Lenny Kravitz

According to the imdb, her favourite musician is really Lenny Kravitz. So, I think it´s a correct information. User:Mistico

I don't know about the engagement line under her personal life section. I was just watching an interview on youtube and she states that she has never been engaged. It was a Craig Kilborn episode. Here's a link.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5xoLgx17A9k

I tend to believe the actual person rather than an EXTRA report as referenced on 13.

?!?!

Wait a minute cause i'm confused is she or isn't she a virgin? i read an interview that she goes to church every sunday too.

She claims to be a virign during an intview with gq which i wrote and provided the link to prove it which I thought was enough, if someone disagree's, prove it. -j

--Thedigger 06:17, 27 March 2007 (UTC) Definitely NOT. She's the latest celebrity to have a leaked sex tape. Perhaps this should be added to the main text?

Definetly not Adriana's secret sex tape read this and everything will be clearer http://fleshbot.com/sex/celebrity/definitely-not-the-adriana-lima-sex-tape-241972.php and she is the only person (except maybe her ex boyfriends or current boyfriend) who knows the answer to the question "is Adriana Lima a virgin?" Ringwraith46 02:16, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Please if you are going to write something like this - "However, in the June 2006 issue of the Italian GQ, Lima told reporters that she was in fact no longer a virgin, and that she had just been mistaken because her English is not the best. She went on to say that although it would never apply to her, she believes it is a good example for teenagers." Please provide a reliable source!

This matter is of tivial importance. Whether she is a virgin or not should not be a topic in this article.Hossain Akhtar Chowdhury 12:39, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually she was interviewed in A magazine a Italian Tabloid...where she said "I'm not saying if I'm a virgin and I'm not saying I'm not" She still claims to be a virgin as does her family and friends stand by her side. She NEVER took the statement back....people misconstrued that interview. She has never been in the issue of Italian GQ, as I said it was an Italian tabloid called "A" and she didn't take back her statement, she covered herself as to not loose her contract with TIM mobile, which failed because she lost it anyway. As for the sex tape, sorry it isn't her. My site AdrianaFLima, has contact with Adriana's friends and family and they have confirmed she's very religious and would never dream of having sex before marriage, and suffered a short depression in 2007 after no one believed her statement and retreated to Brazil for several months in the beginning of 2007. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BahianChic (talk • contribs) 03:50, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Ethnicity

Funny how no one has proof of her stating her own ethnic background, But I listed the three (African, Indian, and Swiss) from her interview. I will state again she is not a mix of Portuguese, French, or Japanese. --Cococanelle

African is not an ethnicity. In actuality, neither is Amerindian. According to Ethnicity, ethnicity is defined as:

An ethnic group or ethnicity is a population of humans whose members identify with each other, usually on the basis of a presumed common genealogy or ancestry (Smith, 1986). Ethnic groups are also usually united by certain common cultural, behavioural, linguistic and ritualistic or religious traits.

There are too many variations in the cultural, behavioural, linguistic and ritualistic/religious traits of the different peoples of Africa to call Africa an ethnicity. Same goes for Amerindian. One cannot say the Inuit of Ellesemere Island are the same ethnic background as the Mapuche of Argentina.

Either her actual, specific ethnicities should be listed or the category be changed from "Ethnicity to something else. --Kmsiever 04:27, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree, but it says Africa and not a specific African country because during the slave trade the slave holders used to erase all known information about a slave's origins, so it is hard for many of African descent in the New World to trace their African ancestry to a specific country in the same way that those of European descent can.

As for the Amerindian ancestry, she is more specifically of Native Brazilian descent, so I've changed the sentence to reflect this. ElijahTM (talk) 17:42, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Trivia

The trivia section is too long, self-contradictory, and unverifiable. It requires major cleanup, with some information being incorporated into the main article text, and other info being removed outright. -Porlob 14:45, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

the heritage

What I don't understand is why can't we keep her heritage to Swiss, African, and Native Indian? There has been no proof of her stating otherwise. She is a mixture of all three from the above stated youtube video.

yeah i dont know who keeps changing it.

Ummm

Can we get a reference where Lima's father supposedly walked out on her?

Yes. I don't know who wrote that and were they got it from!

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I own a site called www.AdrianaFlima.com, we have exclusive contact with Adriana's family friends and a few people who work with her, and yes her father did walk out on her. When she was 6 months old, her mother was only 18 when she gave birth to Adriana as well. Adriana has spoke in interviews about her father leaving. But in 2007 she reunited with her father, and now has two young half brothers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.54.113.147 (talk) 12:29, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Roles in Films

She was really offered roles in those two films ? Since she only had yet a role on cinema, I find hard to believe. User:Mistico

Iraqi???

How could she have Iraqui heritage? her last name is "Lima" that can be a word of portuguese or spaniard origin.

Exactly.. because everyone takes the last name of both parents and surnames are never changed as people move from place to place. Not saying she's Iraqi because.. frankly.. who cares? Just pointing out that you're not thinking things through. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.64.3.68 (talk) 18:00, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Does Adriana Lima have a myspace?

Does she? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.119.45.169 (talk) 23:09, 1 January 2007 (UTC).

No she doesn't have one. It was said on an official forum in which Lima is part of.[fashionmodeltalk] Same goes for Alessandra Ambrosio and Ana Beatriz Barros. They have their own site.

So why do people keep adding a MySpace link to the External Links in her article?? I don't think a fake pretending to be her has any place on a wiki page. I've once again removed the MySpace link, but it's getting a little tiring after several times. As a reminder, here is the official statement from her official forums. 86.150.80.228 (talk) 13:04, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

conversion error...

178 cm would make her 5'10, not 5'11.

no 179cm is 5'10.

isnt she 5ft 10 anyways???

5'11 = 180cm 5'10 is closer to 178cm. mirageinred 17:29, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

i dont know some people say shes actually 5ft 7inches, as managers of models usually just add a few inches to their height making them look bigger.

Myspace links

Please do not put links to myspace profiles in the article or source information in articles with myspace links, please see WP:RS#Self-published_sources_as_secondary_sources. - Ocatecir 09:24, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

No. The page says myspace should be avoided "except for a link to a page that is the subject of the article or an official page of the article subject." mirageinred 19:59, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

It is undisputed that myspace should NOT be used as a source. If the information is pertinent to an encyclopedia it will have a third-party reliable source about it. There is discussion, however, if myspace should be allowed in the external links. No consensus has been reached yet, so for the time being it should not be added. - Ocatecir 20:06, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

It's not being used as a source. That was her own myspace and the WP:EL says it can be added. mirageinred 20:09, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

The message you were responding to was added because people were adding information from myspace pages. Also, WP:EL does not say that anywhere on the page. #10 under "Links normally to be avoided" says "Links to social networking sites (such as MySpace), discussion forums or USENET." Read it yourself. - Ocatecir 20:12, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I did read it. The reason why it says "links normally to be avoided" is because there is an exception. (..."Except for a link to a page that is the subject of the article or an official page of the article subject"). The myspace in this case links to the subject (Adriana Lima) and it is only an external link, not a source. mirageinred 20:16, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm quoting directly from WP:EL. 20:17, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Again, the myspace debate has not reached a consensus, read Wikipedia_talk:External_links#MySpace_Ban_revisited. Until it has, myspace links should not be added. Because what you quoted does not mention myspace, and #10 under "Links normally to be avoided" explicitly mentions myspace, that is the official policy. Should the debate prompt wiki admins to change the policy, then myspace links may start to be added. The point is that myspace is self-published. If they contain pertinent information for an encyclopedia, then that information would be published by a third party. - Ocatecir 20:22, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

The debate is only taking place in the talk page, so it's not an official policy yet. Until then WP:EL states that Lima's myspace falls under "links normally to be avoided" "except for a link to a page that is the subject of the article or an official page of the article subject." mirageinred 20:25, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

The talk page gives you an idea of where the debate currently is at. If you read it, you see that most still regard myspace as illegitimate. If myspaces were allowed, that debate would not be occuring. Also, if myspaces were allowed #10 would not exist to prohibit them. - Ocatecir 20:39, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I know myspace is debatable. but the WP:EL (which is part of Manual of Style, which the talk page is not) currently says there is an exception in which the myspace can be listed as external link if it links to the subject of the page. mirageinred 20:44, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

That is a connection you are making. The sentence does not mention myspace. If it considered myspace to be exempt, it would not mention it in #10. - Ocatecir 20:46, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Why does it say "links normally to be avoided?" Before it lists the sites normally to be avoided (which includes myspace, USENET and such), it says "except for a link to a page that is the subject of the article or an official page of the article subject" directly under "links normally to be avoided," which means that the list of sites mentioned are "links normally to be avoided" unless it links to the subject of the article or an official page of the article subject. Thus, Lima's myspace is an exception. mirageinred 20:55, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Why revert? must have been a mistake. mirageinred 20:18, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

it was. rv back.-Ocatecir 20:19, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I think this whole debate is a little pointless as Adriana does NOT HAVE A MYSPACE, and regardless of what it says in WP:EL, links to a fake one pretending to be Adriana do not belong on her wiki page. official statement from her official forums 86.150.80.228 (talk) 13:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

external link to the Internet Fashion Database

Hi, I've tried to add an external link to Adriana Lima's profile on the Internet Fashion Database to this article's External Links section, and twice it has been removed. I don't understand how the link violated the external links policy.

The Internet Fashion Database's purpose is to collect and catalog information about the fashion industry: models, agencies, clothing labels, designers, photographers, etc and show the relationships between them.

How is linking to Adriana Lima's profile not acceptable? Ifdb 00:33, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

As all your contributions to Wikipedia consist of promoting this website, it was viewed with suspicion. --Abu badali ^(talk) 06:11, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

And that is great that this link was viewed with suspicion, but why remove the link without investigating the link? If the link is valid, is related to the article, and the link can give additional valuable information to the reader of the article, then why remove the link? Why is the link "guilty" until proven "innocent" and not the other way around? Ifdb 14:49, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

One user says that it's spam. mirageinred 17:03, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

So can someone goto the profile Adriana Lima and tell me what specifically about the profile or site that is considered spam and what in the external links policy has this link violated? Ifdb 19:07, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

It is not a suitable link and does border on being outright spam. I assume you are talking about [2] (since the template was deleted I can't be 100% sure). But that "database" entry adds nothing to the subject matter (Adriana Lima). Firstly, the "biography" is a copy and paste job of this very Wiki article apart from the leading paragraph which has a couple of lines which doesn't appear here because of WP:NPOV. I have seen other model's entries on tifdb which are EXACT copy and pastes of their Wiki articles. Secondly, the fact and stats seem to be a copy and paste of Wiki facts and stats too. Which means the text has almost zero added value to someone already reading Adriana Lima. It just leaves the pictures which you do have a lot of but I'm sure there are many other dedicated photo sites out there and linking to a gallery is never really worthwhile doing. Also, by just adding links to (I persume but I could be wrong) your own site and adding no other worthwhile contributions to Wikipedia is not really the best way of getting your site on Wikipedia. --PTSE 19:20, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Right on. mirageinred 19:33, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

You did not look at all of the content closely, you said everything was a blatant copy/paste from wikipedia and some items mentioned are not a neutral point of view - which is fine because like wikipedia, the information can be corrected and massaged to a more neutral point of view. For example, the weight listed in the wiki stats says that Adriana Lima weighs 51kg but on the Internet Fashion Database it says 59kg -- the 59kg stat is more accurate/up-to-date because of contributions made by readers that have submitted verifiable information, as a result the Internet Fashion Database is a good resource for readers of this wiki article since industry professionals and other people contribute to the site. The Internet Fashion Database site offers a user contribution system that allows most of the content to be editting/corrected/added so if anyone has any problem with any of the content then can submit a contribution with an amendment to the content and it will be taken up for review by the moderators. The profile page also offers a Quotes section and a Message Board for public discussion, both of which are not available on this article. All points considered, the profile page on the Internet Fashion Database can be and is a good place for a reader of this article.

Being in the fashion industry, I tend to look at many wiki articles related to fashion. And looking at many articles on models, I've noticed external links to supermodels.nl and fashionmodeldirectory.com ... how are those external links not considered spam and a link to the Internet Fashion Database is considered spam, those websites offer nothing new to the reader after reading the article, how did those links pass the moderators??? ... the Fashion Model Directory even has a template (the Internet Fashion Databse template was deleted!) ... how can the Fashion Model Directory be allowed to have a template but the Internet Fashion Database cannot? Please explain.

I've also noticed links on model articles to blogs, and I thought links to blogs violated policy?

Also, you make a strong statement by saying this link is spam. If it is "spam" then point to the exact section of whichever policy this link is violating. Simply stating that it violates policy (A) doesn't mean anything unless you specifically say WHAT in this policy it violates, simply tapping the policy does mean anything to me because I've read the policy and I cannot find a violation ... so that in the future I will know whether a link violates a policy or not. Because I've read the external links policy and don't see anything wrong with the link I posted. Ifdb 20:50, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, blogs to violate Wikipedia policy, but they are removed promptly. Or at least they should be. I don't see why you are so insistent on putting her profile up. Mirror sites of Wikipedia are not a reliable source and the fact that readers contribute the IFDB makes it even more unreliable. External links are for links that have information beyond what is already provided at this Wiki article. IFDB clearly doesn't. mirageinred 20:58, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

User contributions to the Internet Fashion Database does not make it even more unreliable because contributions are only applied if their sources are verified. Random facts are not approved and existing inaccuracies have room for improvement. The Internet Fashion Database, in the near future, will eventually have a list of sources on their pages to give readers more information. When this will happen? I am not sure at the moment. Ifdb 22:17, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

And the Internet Fashion Database does provide content beyond this article, "Appearances", "Quotes", "Message Board", and media ... to name a few.

Sorry for interrupting your comment, but "appearances" are already mentioned in the article and quotes and message board don't seem like relevant information. mirageinred 21:37, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

And I'm still waiting on a justification on allowing supermodels.nl and fashionmodeldirectory.com links. I do not see those links as being any more valuable than links to the Internet Fashion Database, in fact they appear to be less valuable upon close inspection. Ifdb 21:13, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

If you see them, remove them. mirageinred 21:35, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

But are they considered "spam" ... and what metric are you using to consider them "spam" ... "spam" is a loose term.

... and still wondering how Fashion Model Directory was allowed a template and Internet Fashion Database was not ...

And how is the Internet Movie Database allowed, what additional value does that link provide? Ifdb 21:49, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree that all unnecessary links that provide no new information beyond the wikipedia article should be removed not just from Adriana Lima artcile but all articles, rumors and videos also but it's not an easy job to do with so many people doing so many modifications to articles ! If some link shoud be added to the references or external links maybe it would be a good choice to add back the askmen.com link, which is absent in the newer look of the article since few days ago. There are some different stuff written there and also the voting for the most desirable woman of the year, by gradind each girl with a grade beetween 0 and 100. Or maybe that link should be added to all models articles? So that people can vote for their favorite model or actress, singer... Only a suggestion :D Ringwraith46 00:11, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Personal Life, inappropriate references?

Under the Personal Life, it mentions rumours? I didn't know an encyclopedia was in the business of reporting rumours.

Also, reference #7 (Gawker Gossip) doesn't appear to be a reputable source of information. I've seen videos online of one of the women who runs Gawker and even she admitted that information on Gawker should not be taken seriously and is only there for entertainment value. If anyone is interested in seeing this interview of this woman then I'll gladly post the link.

Also, reference #8, some link to a video of Adriana Lima ... how is this link a reference? The link offers no textual content, only the video, and the video itself says nothing, it only has background music, no talking? Ifdb 21:34, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I already removed them. mirageinred 21:35, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Personal Life still mentions rumours. Ifdb 21:48, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Why not remove it yourself? mirageinred 22:03, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I'd love to, but so far all my contributions to wikipedia have been all removed... Ifdb 22:18, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

she herself clearly stated in a interview that she was dating a boy from argentina known as estevan and was a wannabe photographer, so why has it been deleted? im going to put it back up unless someone has a good reason not to. Also its also true that she HAS left Denny of Timberlada, this isnt a rumour.

• It doesn't matter. Wikipedia is not a tabloid gossip rag. The casual romances of celebrities have no place here. It's an encyclopedia, not Hello! magazine. --David Shankbone 13:06, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

than whats with all the bs about denny and all that crap. If you mention them, then you might as well mention the fact that they broke up.

heritage confusion, inaccuracies?

reference #4, the youtube video has her talking about her heritage including African, Indian, and Swiss ... but admits herself that she doesn't speak english that well, and when she answers the question of her heritage/background she doesn't seem to take the question too seriously and answers in a comical way, I also believe that when she mentioned "Indian" she probably meant "Native South American" ... reference #5, the maybelline article is probably a better source for her heritage (which doesn't even mention Afican, Indian (from India), or Swiss) Ifdb 00:12, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

that maybelline article is not reliable. it mentions the same ethnicities that were thrown around in the begining. adriana lima is from fucking brazil. almost everyone is a mix of african, indian, and european. you should know better. She's from Salvadore Bahia anyway, with a large population of Africans who are decendants of slaves.

exactly, Brazil is a melting pot of many ethnicities, and so far from all the sources, the maybelline article is the best source, and just because there's a lot of africans in Salvadore Bahia doesn't make her part African Ifdb 21:08, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

She said out of her own damn mouth what her mixture is. Why is that so hard to understand? Are you saying she is wrong? If she was joking about her own heritage she would have said so. I don't what is sicker-the fact that you're trying to claim that she's wrong from what she said out of her own mouth, or the fact that you're trying to say she's not mixed. Also-Have you seen her mother? Those other ethnicities were always thrown around and made up and stated as her actual heritage just to make sound more exotic than she is. Even the guy in the video tried to make her more mixed than she is. "A mix of everything", But she shut him up and stated her mix. I have never heard her or read an interview from her claiming all those other things. Are you calling her a liar from what she said in the video? You need to stop. I'll give you a picture of her family-cousins from Bahia who is also of african/white/native mixture. If she's not mixed, what is she then? 100 European? Does it bother you that she is part African? Get a life. Tell her that to her face and watch her laugh at you. And you obviously don't have access to Adriana's Orkut account. She talks about her background and family on there also. I'll try to find the link. But her page is locked. http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c10/NinaNina19/Models/87d4130e5b074f1472acc0f26ae8a1.jpg—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.31.216.214 (talk) 07:48, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

request for page protection

adriana lima's page is constantly being vandalize. i was just wondering if we could request this page to be protected at least from anonymous users from editing the page.

the korean wiki

If you can't read Korean, the Korean Wikipedia says there is no article in the name of "아드리야나 리마" and that's not the right way to spell her name to begin with. mirageinred 00:00, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

By the way, if you wish to make one, it's spelled "아드리아나 리마." mirageinred 00:06, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

All I see are squares :D lol as most of you will probably see here "Адриана Лима" Ringwraith46 00:57, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

That looks like Russian. What I typed was the Korean spelling of her name. I don't think your browser supports Korean, but I think you can changed that. mirageinred 16:07, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Close :) that's Adriana Lima written in Serbian. I know you typed her name in Korean up there and I don't have korean language support installed so I only saw squares :D I just felt like joking a little ;) Ringwraith46 19:14, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

eyes?

I know that there is a reference for stating that her eyes are green and on some pictures and videos from specific angles it really looks like they are green, but I think it's pretty obvious that her eyes are mostly grey with a little blue/green essence (look at the pictures in the artcile). So maybe it should be written grey, grey/blue, grey/green, grey/blue/green or whatever no matter that it says otherwise on the dna website, because people who read the article will see her grey eyes themselves and think that the statement is wrong, which I think it is :) I didn't want to change it myself because I want to see other people's opinions Ringwraith46 01:14, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Honors and awards

I'm adding a chart of "Honors and awards" to provide a concise ref of her past. I didn't want to include every conceivable list she's on, so I limited it to awards or lists that are wiki notable.. ie: the award has an article on wikipedia; by default that's notable or the article would have been afd. I may have missed some legit awards though... I'll keep checking. ~

The awards I listed are: Ford Supermodel of Brazil 1995 1st Place, Ford Supermodel of the World 1996 2nd Place, Maxim Magazine Hot 100 2003 #57, FHM 100 Sexiest Womem 2007 7th Place, People Magazine 100 Most Beautiful 2007, Spike TV Guys' Choice Awards 2007 Hottest Girl on the Planet.... Frog47 05:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Removed SpikeTV award since Lima's category was not mention during the show although she was listed as one of their awardees. Why put importance on a show that did not show importance to Miss Lima? (Number1spygirl 12:12, 26 June 2007 (UTC))

I believe it should be mentioned for several reasons: 1. The awards are wiki notable & likely will increase in importance as the various Mtv awards have over the past few years. 2. The results show that Lima won an international fan vote competition. 3. The results are clearly displayed on the Spike Tv website, and in most articles that cover the results. Frog47 14:14, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Tables

Removed tables due to it's unencyclopedic nature. As stated by Five Pillars, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. (Number1spygirl 05:59, 22 June 2007 (UTC))

Weight

Citation needed. (Number1spygirl 16:01, 22 July 2007 (UTC)).

• I generally disagree with weight and measurements being included in the model articles. I don't understand their encyclopedic value, and these things are constantly changing. Wikipedia isn't here to describe a person's bust size, but to talk about their career and notability. Unless the weight, waist size, shoe size, etc. of a person is notable itself, perhaps in the case of Pamela Anderson, then I think these should be removed. They change too often, are often misrepresented by the person who gives it, and are difficult to verify. They also add nothing to an article but make a person seem like a piece of meat. --David Shankbone 14:30, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. Lima is a fashion model. Measurements are important and related to her profession. As for weight, it was removed since it was unsourced. (Number1spygirl 14:53, 26 July 2007 (UTC))

How are they important as they relate to an encyclopedia article about her? We aren't here to report how big her breasts are, we are here to report that she is a model who is the fourth highest paid, and the physical characteristics are self-evident. If she gets pregnant, will we change her bust and waist size then? If she gains or loses weight? How will you know? --David Shankbone 14:40, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

This is a bio of a living person. Changes are expected. If you are so much in disagreement about inclusion of measurement then, discuss it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_Model - (Number1spygirl 05:01, 28 July 2007 (UTC))

Tattoo

I just noticed she has a tattoo on her left ankle. Anyone have any more info on this, what it is, or anything like that? Thanks!

The most hottest sexiest women alive <3 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.174.18.121 (talk) 11:11, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Great job spotting that Tattoo. It was hardly visible. King Lopez ^Contribs 03:26, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

the marquez reference needs tweaking

This is a small thing, but would someone please change the part about her liking to "read a book" by Marquez and make it clear that she doesn't just keep reading the same book over and over. While what's written is nearly word for word from the source, the meaning changes when shifted from "Brazilian brochure" to "Wikinformation." She enjoys and reads the work of Marquez, but she doesn't--contrary to what our article suggests--just obsessively keep reading one book. Not that "One Hundred Years" isnt' worthy of that :P —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.252.234.79 (talk) 15:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Raised By Wolves?

I really don't believe that she was raised by wolves. The link cited for this proposition says nothing of this sort. Can someone please fix this? 66.28.217.228 (talk) 14:54, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

It was vandalism. It's fixed now. ----Ðysepsion † ^{Speak your mind} 15:49, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Adriana Lima best friends

Adriana Lima is best friends with younger Brazilian supermodel Raica Oliveira.

That was years ago, I don't believe they speak to each other now. She is friends with people outside her agency, those are her best friends. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.54.113.147 (talk) 12:30, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Engaged

Adriana Lima was proposed to on her 27th birthday by boyfriend Marko Jaric, NBA player. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.228.173.217 (talk) 15:59, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Derek Jeter

She never dated Derek Jeter, they met at an event once. Please TAKE THAT DOWN NOW. Thank You. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Charlu86 (talk • contribs) 18:02, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Languages

Adriana does NOT speak spanish!! She speaks Portuguese, French, English and a bit Italian. She was at Liverpool fashion week, and could understand a bit of Spanish and say your basic Hi, and greetings but couldn't speak anything beyond that when she attempted. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYdxVBN_U4Q (3:51 and beyond proves it) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxY6koHN47U (1:37 a woman asks her a question in Spanish, and she clearly politely starts repeating a little in English, hinting for her to speak it in English) Also keep in mind she was at Liverpool in Mexico, and spoke English 98% of the time, and did a Portuguese interview, if she spoke Spanish she would have done it there in all places.

This was falsy written on a bio, on that same bio (which is not trustworthy) it also says Adriana was discovered in a shopping mall, which adriana has denied in several interviews.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVCj9J5qFtg (4:33 and on) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.54.113.147 (talk) 12:39, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

yes she does. she's tri-lingual. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.88.107.36 (talk) 08:18, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok then why does her family say she doesn't speak spanish? Why did she say in an interview she can't speak spanish? and why in that video can she not speak spanish? She speaks Portuguese, English and French —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.54.113.147 (talk) 03:14, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Recent changes

User:24.7.206.23 has recently made some changes after I reverted the edits. I am not a regular contributor to this page, so I cannot judge the validity of the edits. The pajama thing seems completely crufty and non-notable, and the sources seem sketchy at best. Opinions from regular editors of the page or others familiar with the topic? Are those sources reliable, and should the information be included? The IP user has started a discussion on my talk page, but it really ought to be discussed here. -Phoenixrod (talk) 19:29, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

In my opinion he's really arguing the point that Adriana wasn't six months old hen she was left claiming there isn't a reliable source claiming this. If you search Adriana, any bio you pull up it will point that out. Even on IMDB, I think honestly that when it on every biography out there, and the fact that it's on IMDB, and the fact I could easily show you a huge group of fans that know this with their eyes closed, and the fact I own www.AdrianaFLima.com where we have actual contact with Adriana's friends and family, they give us exclusive news and images (look in our gallery under exclusives and you will see the ones we have been sent) and we ask and back up all our info and when she went looking for her dad we knew before anyone else did and they viewed what we put on our website, which confirmed the 6 month old thing...which IMO is a common sense thing when it is everywhere online. this user despites any source I put even when there are tons of them out there.

As for the other facts, I'm well aware that this is a "Encylopedia" and I wouldn't place things here that I felt had a nature of a fan site. There are many of those I could put but I don't. I simply place things here that anyone who is becoming a fan or Adriana or has seen a picture related to one of these topics that they might find the answer to the question here, as a lot of people view her page before going to a fan site. If he wants to look at it from this view, than several things on her page don't need to be there, but lots of it needs to be.

Also this user continues to de-edit my edits without siting a source for his re-edits and continues to delete mine which even though in his mind they are not credible sources they do have sources or are anything anyone with an fan knowledge of Adriana would know. I think it's wrong when he re-edits something to something that is obviously wrong. If the info was wrong and he was to re-edit it, it would be and obvious correction. But common sense to me would be to google what I was writing and find the info was right and leave it alone, than delete it and place what he believes to be true, when he is NOT a regular contributer and he doesn't even site 1 source be it a fan site or not.

I see nothing wrong with what was added and if most people did I think it would be deleted by more people than the user above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.7.206.23 (talk) 20:43, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

No. I am not "really arguing the point that Adriana wasn't six months old hen she was left". As I repeatedly told you, I am posing a simple question: What do reliable sources say? Because the source you added appeared questionable, I reverted your edit. That is all. It does not reflect my opinion on how old Adriana Lima was at a particular event in her life, nor should it. Bios like IMDb's are user-submitted and therefore not reliable. The fact that you own a website gives you a conflict of interest in editing this article. Have you read the policy on reliable sources that I have linked repeatedly? All I seek is this: find a source that meets the policy, and cite it. IMDb's user-submitted bios are not reliable; fansites are not reliable. You do not provide any reliable sources in this talk page section.

If in fact a particular claim "is a common sense thing when it is everywhere online", then it should be child's play to provide a reliable source for that claim. This idea springs from Wikpedia policy, which you are conveniently ignoring. Yes, I understand that you may have personal contact with the article's subject, but that doesn't make you a reliable source unless that can be verified.

Please don't make this discussion personal. I also think you are misconstruing my meaning when I say I am not a regular contributor to this page; that means I do not frequently read the article and check its sources, but it does not mean that I will not uphold the encyclopedia's policies. For clarity, please use my username instead of referring to my as "this user", which makes me sound disembodied. I am trying to uphold Wikpedia's policy, including the strict policy on biographies of living persons.

Finally, you (User: 24.7.206.23) say, "I see nothing wrong with what was added and if most people did I think it would be deleted by more people than the user above." Unfortunately, the lack of other users' comments on this talk page in the last 10 days cuts both ways: I could just as easily say, "I see a lack of reliable sources with what was added, and if most people found my edits wrong then they would have said so here." If you look at the article history, many edits are by IP users, and a lot of registered users' edits are simply reversions.

In short, then, what are we to do? I will leave in the 6 months/6 years claim as you left it, and I will implore all editors of this article to find better, more reliable sources for the claims in the article. The specific information of the article was not my contention; it is the references that are questionable. I will also trim the non-notable claims, such as what Adriana Lima likes to watch on TV as she sits around in her pajamas. Really ... if we don't need to include Bill Clinton's preference for boxers or briefs, why should it be relevant in an encyclopedia article for AL? -Phoenixrod (talk) 18:16, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

When it was in an interview she did for Tearsheet, that was an official interview in a magazine, I'm sorry it's a reliable source. I'm sorry but you make it wear nothing is good enough...I'm sorry let's see an admin say "Sorry 6 -10 articles saying she was 6 months old isn't good enough, even an official interview" You're out of you're mind. Sorry! It is on all fansites, it's been said in many interviews, but as for an official site, sorry she doesn't have one. But I'm sorry when they're are 10 or more sources saying she was 6 months old and an interview, well they must all be wrong huh? *rolls eyes* Again I bring up the fact that you are so apt to just on me about "All your sources aren't good enough etc" and you can't site ONE that says she was 6 months, but you are willing to edit it to that. Sorry, doesn't make you reliable at all for this page.

As for people commenting, I could easily get more than 100 people on here confirming everything that I'm saying for her page, not ONE would say she was 6 years old. AT ALL! So if I wanted to I could get as many people as I wanted to get here and know what they are speaking about.

About my personal contact, you can easily go to our site and see our photos section and etc where it confirms many times over that it is verified contact.

I'm sorry when someone is arguing that an interview is not a good enough source, uh....nothing more needs to be said.

Keep in mind, her page has always said 6 months, even before it was locked for a short period of time, and looked over by Admins before locked. recently when it was unlocked a Non fan and someone who can't back up a source (because there is none) came and put something outrageous about 6 years old?! So obviously the Admins seen that before and had no problem with it, it's only you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.7.206.23 (talk) 07:11, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Look, my friend, I'm growing tired of talking at cross purposes with you. Have you read the policy on reliable sources yet? If Lima did an interview with Tearsheet, link it for me. Tearsheet doesn't appear to have a website, and the several libraries I checked have no record of a magazine by that name. Give me something tangible; track down the original interview. There's a huge difference between 1) quoting the original source and 2) saying, "an anonymous person says it's what she said". All I want is the verifiable source; that is policy and is not up for debate, especially in a biographical article. Again, fansites are not appropriate sources unless they are in some way official. What is to prevent them from copying incorrect information from each other? One hundred anonymous meatpuppets would not be convincing either.

Did you even read my response above? I said I am leaving the 6 months claim in, and the specific claim was never the point of what I was saying. I am not arguing that an "interview is not a good enough source"; I am saying that I have yet to see evidence of that interview in a reliable source as defined by Wikipedia policy. If that interview is so easy to find ... then do it. Where can I find verify it in a reliable source?

As for your site, adrianaflima.com, the disclaimer says, "This site is in no way affiliated or associated with Adriana Lima". By definition, it's not a reliable source for Wikipedia. The same goes for most fansites and blogs on any person or topic.

It is absurd to suggest that because an admin protected or semi-protected a page from editing, he or she read the whole article and checked its sources. Protection is simply to prevent edit wars.

Finally, please remain civil and refrain from personal attacks like "Sorry, doesn't make you reliable at all for this page." There is no need to assault my character. All you need to do is follow the policies, and all will be well. What exactly is the problem at this point? The 6 months old claim remains in the article as you wanted, and I am asking for better sources to verify the claims. Why are you so angry about that? -Phoenixrod (talk) 18:26, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I have re -read the tearsheet interview and it doesn't mention her age, I've mistaken it for a Brazilian interview she did once in SPFW in 2005 where she mentioned it. But just for example Google "Adriana Lima 6 months" and you will find it's correct it is all over the web, I don't remember what article it EXACTLY came from and if it's even out there anymore, I mean heck she started modeling when she was about 14 years old and in Brazil, articles are very hard to come by. But the tearsheet magazine did speak about her being raised by a poor family (just her mom) and her first plane ride being at 15 because of that. And what is wrong with your talk is that you want an exact source for something that came out over 10 years ago, on someone who isn't that famous for an article to stay a float that long. Like I said Google it and you will find it everywhere. Again I say that you are so willing to change it and put 6 years old but not willing to put your own source...why? Because none exist that back up what you have said. Because that info was and is false.

As for my site, yes we have to put that because we have no contact with her as a person. Does she know about the site? Yes. She was emailed about it though her cousin and friends who we do have contact with such as Josye, Joana and Flavio. We have even sent gifts to her and her mother has received them and gotten them. We are even working on a reception book for her as an engagement present. http://adrianaflima.createmybb.com/showthread.php?tid=595

So she knows about the site as do her friends and family and even one of her fellow Angels (Selita) we have to legally say that because she doesn't speak to us directly. http://adrianaflima.com/gallery/index.php?cat=59 As you can see here she has taken images that her friends and family have sent only to us. Now I know you'll argue the point, but since you are not an Adriana fan you won't be able to tell those are exclusives but hang out on our board and you'll be able to.

Now I'm done arguing, any Adriana fan would look at the page and know it's right, I'm happy with that. Sorry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.7.206.23 (talk) 18:58, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you keep harping on how I allegedly insist on incorrect information. I reverted you twice in a short period, more than ten days ago, and never since; the reason was questionable references. This remains a matter of meeting the threshold at WP:RS. Doing a Google search is not enough. The policy explains why.

You say I am "not an Adriana fan" as if that is somehow relevant to finding verifiable references. I frankly don't see the point there.

You complain that I "want an exact source for something that came out over 10 years ago, on someone who isn't that famous for an article to stay a float that long." Yes, the policy on reliable sources does insist that you find the source. I'm sorry, but that's not up for debate. If there is no reliable source for claims in a biography, they might have to be removed altogether.

Anyway, if you are done "arguing", let's let sleeping dogs lie. In the future, any claim that is challenged will need to be back up by a reference that meets the various relevant policies, such as WP:RS, WP:V, and WP:BLP. I will leave the links with acronyms this time, since I'm tired of making piped links each time. -Phoenixrod (talk) 09:14, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Ethnicity again

One more time somebody has changed this information. Adriana Lima herself reported to an interviewer she is of "African, Native South American, and Swiss heritage."

She never said to be of "Portuguese, French, Native South American, and Caribbean heritage". Many websites claim different ancestries to her. Some even claim she is part Japanese and Vietnamite...this is ridiculous.

If Adriana herself said her ancestry is "African, Native South American, and Swiss" I find NO reasons to report in the article that some other sources claim she is something else. The reliable source is the one she talks about this subject, in a Youtube interview. The other ancestries are just lias. Opinoso (talk) 02:00, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I also believe the claim of Portuguese, French, Native South American, and Caribbean heritage to be false, for reasons of making her sound more exotic than she really is, in the same way model agency profiles are always saying the model has green eyes, but unfortunately a die-hard Lima fan here will revert anything that doesn't suit her opinion and I'm not willing have a revert war. You can see my explanations on the matter in the "Wrong Heritage" section of this talk page. Mbinebri (talk) 20:55, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Who is the user putting the "fake" ethnicity there? Opinoso (talk) 16:08, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

It's a moot point now. A user on AdrianaFLima.com sent me the link for a Youtube vid with Lima stating her own heritage, which shows that what the article originally said was correct all along, so I changed it back. Mbinebri (talk) 00:11, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

The actual year Lima began modeling for VS?

Out of curiosity, I looked around today for proof of when certain VS Angels began working for the company, and since this article has always said 1998, which made Lima only 16/17, I just thought I'd try and verify it, but I couldn't. AdrianaFLima.com has VS galleries going back no further than 2000, searches on modeling forums for 1998 VS pics yielded nothing, and searches for 1999 pics yielded a post with scans from someone stating the Fall 1999 catalogue was her first appearance, which makes sense because then she could have been 18. Here is the link: http://www.bellazon.com/main/index.php?s=&showtopic=1251&view=findpost&p=483458

Does anyone have proof of earlier VS appearances? The year should be changed if no one has anything. Mbinebri (talk) 21:07, 1 November 2008 (UTC)