Talk:Halo (franchise)

Organizing the Series Articles

Wikipedia has a load of information on Halo, and most of it seems pretty poorly organized. I mean, pages on Halo, Halo 2, Halo 3, and this... There's a lot of redundancy in weapons info since I made List of weapons in the Halo universe, I'll take the blame for that. Something needs to be done... For example: what's your goal with this page, Grm wnr? LockeShocke 01:51, Nov 26, 2004 (UTC)

Most pages point to Halo: Combat Evolved when Halo is mentioned, but with the release of Halo 2 and the near certainty of Halo 3 there has to be some central starting point for the universe as a whole. This page could be it. --Grm wnr 02:05, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Good call, and they could all link to the other, game-independent pages on The Flood, The Covenant, weapons, vehicles, etc. I like your style, kid. LockeShocke 02:43, Nov 28, 2004 (UTC)

It needs to be moved though since the halo universe now constitutes three novels and two games, to Halo Universe perhaps? —Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 07:12, 2005 Jan 8 (UTC)

I agree and your suggestion seems fine to me. It's not bad as it is but technically it's more than a game series now especially if/when the film is released. Is there any naming convention on such pages when they share a name with something else though? --FlooK 03:26, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Merge with Halo (forerunner tech)?

The current link to this page asks for discussion on adding the "Forerunner tech" page to the main "Halo series" page. I say throw it in the links section and be done, as anyone puruising the series page is probably more interested in viewing all the pieces of said series than intimate fan details. Thowing talk of Forerunner tech onto the series page as part of the body doesn't seem necessary. IMHO, of course. --Calderra 09:49, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

It's already in the Halo category which all Halo articles should already link to, that's enough in my opinion. I removed the merge tag a few weeks ago for the same reasons you give but it was added back in. I don't believe that article shouldn't be merged with this one because like you said it is of more interest to fans whereas this article serves as an introduction to the series. If the consensus is that the forerunner tech article doesn't deserve it's own space it would be better merged with articles like High Charity and Pillar of Autumn into an overall Halo universe tech article rather than merged into this one. With this explanation in place I'm going to remove the tag again with a note to add to this discussion if anyone believes the article should be merged with this one. --FlooK 17:07, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Ah it appears what I actually did before was remove the mergefrom from the Halo (Forerunner tech) article. Not that it matters much but it means there is no one actually edited it back into this one :) --FlooK 17:23, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

I originally added the merge notices, because if all the redundancies and Ringworld trivia in that article were trimmed out, it wouldn't be much bigger than a stub. I thought the information would be better in the main Halo article because it effectively explains where the video game's title comes from (presumably, I don't actually play the game). However, upon seeing Installation 04 and Installation 05, I now see that this is a significant topic. Now I'm thinking that if those two articles (the specific megastructure halos from the game) were merged into Halo (Forerunner tech) then it would be a more substantial article. Do you think this would be a better route? —jiy (talk) 17:53, August 19, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I see that as a much better route to go down given that those two articles are just specific examples of what is discussed in that article. - 20:39, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

I've merged them now, and moved the page to Halo (megastructure). Someone more qualified than me should go over my work and expand on the information. —jiy (talk) 05:50, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

Used of "Halo:CE"

Small note... a lot of users try to use Halo:CE to talk about Halo: Combat Evolved. As per Bungie's own suggestion, the CE should only be used for Halo: Custom Edition on PC. Randomly, the Halo pieces should be scrubbed to keep confusion to a minimum. Halo 1 for Xbox should always just be Halo, Halo 1 for PC/Mac should be Halo PC/Mac or similar, and Halo: Custom Edition should always be Halo:CE.

The Halo Movie

If a Halo movie comes out in theaters, it better take place after Halo 2, be based on the Halo novels, or set during the events before the games and novels. - John-1107

I hope a Halo movie never comes out ever. It would really suck and movies about books or video games always leave out or change stuff wich makes them suck even more. People who never played the game would here about the moivie and see it, then get the game and hate it because the movie was different!

Then the movie should take place many years, decades, centuries, or millenia before or after the games and novels. - John-1107V--Ed Telerionus 02:03, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Movie license is being sold by microsoft right now, however they have a contract that specifies no fewer than some 10 million (please verify number) must be put torwards principle photography (production) or something similar. They have already alienated a lot of movie studios with this plan, which is probably for the better, and now rest it with 2 companies. Gamespot.com has the article with a lot more details. perhaps this should be added after it is veridied by some people.

Most likely the movie will be a retelling of the story. it wont be after halo 2 because the people watching whove never played halo will be VERY confused.--Zxcvbnm 3 July 2005 17:41 (UTC)

The first game would be okay so long as they included the background story from Fall of Reach --FlooK 03:26, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Bungie Studios has some creative control over the project, so I'm certain that it's not going to be that terrible.

The Gamespot and related articles say all there is to know at the moment. Bungie retains creative control, and Microsoft only wants people who are very commited to bringing excellence to the movie (hence the hoops). If it isn't going to be good, Bungie and Microsoft won't let it be made. --Calderra 09:53, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Halo 3 Rumors

I removed the section on the Halo 3 rumors. I know the guy who made it up, and that said, it doesn't belong on the Wikipedia. maybe the 100,000 to ten years ago will spartan john 117 as forunner baby being to the future that he could extermate flood and stop halo from fireing as forunner last opitan so it can fanilly save the universe

Influence?

Are we sure we want to include Starcraft as an influence, there are similarities but a lot of what was mentioned in relation to both games doesnt seem to support fact, same with predator, many games feature camoflauge(however u spell it) including metal gear solid, which was not influenced by predator. If i am wrong then show a link or something to confirm these influence rumors, otherwise we can just simply move them to the discussion board so they dont have to be deleted completely. -Tik

They're really a bunch of stretches and seem like a good a number of them are coincidental. I would advocate removing them completely, or perhaps re-writing the section as "Parallels".

Whatever you want.--Zxcvbnm 20:29, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

What about Starhammer (Vang = Flood, if I remember my Starhammer) and the Bible (Covenant, Ark, the Flood)? There are many influences that greatly overpower Starcraft, and could simply supercede them. The Predator note should be kept, however, as that one effects shot defines much of the Predator mythos, and thus even the 'small' reference is a big tie-in. --Calderra 09:33, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Ok so i changed a lot of the wording of the influence section to reflect a more npov, since the original was written by someone who apparently had no sources for his information or else he would have listed it. Im sure someone can rewrite the section better than i have, gotta change the title to possible influences as well.-Tik

eh, the first time i saw halo i thought it was a starcraft fps. the degree of influence can't be emphasized enough.

After reading this subsection, I can't imagine what the original writer was thinking. Ghosts and Wraiths having the same name? In Starcraft, the ghost is a spec-ops human; in Halo it's an alien hoverbike. The Starcraft Wraith was a human air superiority fighter; the Halo Wraith was an alien tank. I'm not seeing the connection. Likewise, Covenant as Protoss doesn't really make sense, and Flood as Zerg only slightly more so. I'm not sure the storyline aspect pans out either.

Basically, it appears that someone was trying to find a Starcraft-Halo connection, and dug up evidence to support it. A better approach would be to mention things that were either explicitly stated to have influenced Halo, or things that are so obvious there can be no doubt. Ringworld, for example, is an obvious influence because Niven invented the idea. Marathon likewise because it was another Bungie game; of course they kept ideas. But a better candidate for this section than Starcraft and Preditor would be the bible, which Bungie has hinted at numerous times as a creative source. --Khaim 15:20, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Agreed, im not gonna edit it anymore myself, but if u want to edit it by all means go for it. Tik

"and is considered one of the greatest games ever released for any platform,"

Should that really be included? Considering that many gamers were disappointed with Halo 2, this seems like a pretty innacurate statement...Halo is.....BORING. All this talk about the "covenant"

and crud like that, but my friend won an advance copy of Halo 3 so....whoo hoo?