Template talk:X-Men

X2

Personally, I prefer X2: X-Men United to simply X2. I noticed (after I already made the change) that this has been an issue in the past. Can we gather some sort of consensus on it? EVula 15:03, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Apparently, the official title is X2. --Chris Griswold 14:39, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, but the name on it's DVD is X-Men 2--LooseTheHotButtonS 13:15, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

True, but the official name is X2. See X2 (film). --Chris Griswold 15:45, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Inclusion

I don't really see why minor concepts like the Crimson Dawn and Alkali Lake get linked from the main X-Men template when much more major concepts and characters are omitted. -Sean Curtin 04:28, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Such as ...? Make some suggestions. I have no problem replacing those two with something else, but I can't agree with nothing. ;) EVula 04:51, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I second a removal of Alkali Lake, mainly because it's a movie-only location. I would like to see the template used for comic information with links only to the films themselves. WikiFew 23:48, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone know why Mutant X is listed off this template? While I am sure that this tv show was influenced by the X-Men in some ways, there is no mention of the X-Men on the Mutant X page. --Silver lode 03:33, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I know; I've been meaning to update the Mutant X article; Sony sued Marvel over the similarity between the television series and the X-Men movies, and they settled out of court. It's a TV show by Marvel about a group of mutants fighting under an enigmatic leader on behalf of mutants everywhere. It's not just influenced. --Chris Griswold 04:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Cool, I figured you guys wouldnt let it stay on there without a reason, I just couldnt seem to find what it was. --Silver lode

I recently dug up some articles that deal with the lawsuit, but this past week I've had spotty Internet service and so have been somewhat limited in what I can add. But I will be adding the information to the Mutant X article soon because it needs some out-of-universe detail anyway.--Chris Griswold 01:51, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Crossovers

I had desired the addition of a Crossovers section to the Template and I think Kusonaga did a good job of this, only to have it removed shortly after. I think it's important to add the most important and influential crossovers, as they have a far greater impact on the X-Men Universe than Alkali Lake or the Crimson Dawn. Perhaps, for the sake of keeping the template brief, we should compromise and include the biggest crossovers. --WikiFew 21:50, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, obviously, I'm in support. Kusonaga 11:22, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

I re-added it yesterday after reading WikiFew's comment. I changed it to "Major storylines", which is slightly less-comic book jargon-y and allows for other important storylines. --Chris Griswold 17:39, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Eh--hottie 12:46, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Characters

It never ceases to amaze me how quickly these things get noticed... within twenty-four hours of my adding a character list to the template someone changes it.I have no problem with that;I'm hardly the world's greatest authority on the X-Men and if someone with greater knowledge can think of an alternative line-up then I'm happy for them to do so.However, I've changed "Shadowcat" back to "Kitty Pryde" since I feel this is what the character is better known as, hence it being the name of her character page;like Jean Grey, she has used many different codenames over the years making her real name more prominent.Skteosk (talk) 18:56, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Weren't characters removed from these templates like two years ago??--Gonzalo84 (talk) 04:34, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

EDIT: nevermind Sookenon (talk) 09:37, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Series Categories

I divided the list of series up and made a new category "Past Series." It looks cleaner in my opinion, and it makes it easier to distinguish what is ongoing and what is not. We might also consider dividing Series up into Core titles and others. - StarIV (talk) 19:31, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Yellow

Come on guys we can come up with a better color than yellow for this thing, can't we? It looks ridiculous, especially since it is an X-MEN Template and not an....Iron Fist template...Captain la rose (talk) 22:19, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

The first step should be asking "Is there a color scheme that is iconic across the franchise?" That includes the later X-Men teams, X-Factor, X-Force, Excalibur, etc. The blue and yellow only covers the "school age" teams. If that's the best possible, then leaving the default may be wise. - J Greb (talk) 22:30, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

It has been reverted. Rau's Speak Page 22:49, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Alternate Universe Titles

Since when are X-Men: First Class and Wolverine: First class alternate universes? I believe that they still take place in 616, they're just set in the past. I think either the section needs to be removed, or renamed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.102.137 (talk) 16:12, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I was unsure of whether or not they are in or out of continuity, so I added them there. Feel free to change it. Rau's Speak Page 00:27, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree that the First Class titles should be listed as mainstream continuity. --Darknus823 (talk) 17:43, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Villains

As a major villain (ala Vulcan) and as recurring major villain teams and collective (ala Purifiers) shouldn't the following be included with the X-Men's Villains:

• Cassandra Nova
• Hellfire Club (comics), Phalanx (comics), and Brood (comics)? -Kez (talk) 01:18, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

why is there every x-man member but barely any villains. I mean i understand not all the villains can be on this page but still there is just so many x-men compared to villains —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.210.25.252 (talk) 06:49, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

writers and artists

why insn't a section about the major writers and artists/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.210.25.252 (talk) 03:45, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Nutshell? Consensus with the Navboxes has been "Keep It Simple, Short". List the original creators and create a list article for everyone else. This avoids 1) the recurring argument over who's notable enough to be in the 'box and 2) the tendency to add everyone who's put word or image to the character/team.

By way example see {{Batman}} and {{Green Lantern}}.

With this 'box, a creators group could be added to the top. But it would have 3 listings — Lee, Kirby, List of.

(As an aside, the same variation of KISS would argue that individual member should not be listed — and the constant additions and removals there support that — nor should individual villains that are also part of listed teams.)

- J Greb (talk) 10:52, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Okay I see your logic and id think it should have Lee/Kirby and writers/artists but what about chris claremont i mean he basically set the standard for x-books —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.210.25.252 (talk) 05:19, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

That's the problem... if Claremont is included, then why not Cockrum, Bryne, Simonson, Hamma, Windsor-Smith, Jim Lee, Morrison, Weadon, and on and on and on. The shortest answer is the 3 items: Stan, Jack, and a list. And a list also allows for expanding on how the various writers and artists contributed to the characters and title. - J Greb (talk) 15:22, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Doesn't the fact that Claremont basically wrote X-Men and its spin-offs single-handedly for SIXTEEN YEARS count for anything? All Stan Lee did was write a thirty-odd issues of a series that eventually floundered; Claremont made it into the X-Behemoth it is today. No other writer's contribution compares. Let's give the guy some credit.Es-won (talk) 01:56, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

And Claremont would have had next to nil to play with in Lee hadn't been there.

As for the rest... both the floundering being linked to Lee and everyone else's work on the characters being subservient to Claremont comes across as apocryphal and "The fan wants his fave writer added".

If needed, and those POVs do need, a list article or a neutral article covering the ups and downs of the creative teams, sales, and popularity the X-books is in order. Such an article would likely start as an un-hyped tick off of what each of the writers and artists brought to the property. Such an article would be very relevant to add to this template.

But adding the bios of writers and artists beyond the two that "birthed" the concept? No, that's more clutter than this already hard to navigate template needs. - J Greb (talk) 02:16, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Ok but then why is there so many characters that are peoples favorites, and nearly all SIXTY x-men are there?