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merge from value

These describe the same color attribute, and "lightness" is the term which is coming to be used in modern models like CIELAB and CIECAM. The value article should be merged into this one, and then redirected here. --jacobolus (t) 20:02, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Value is an extremely relevant term in drawing and painting, and it shows no signs of falling into disuse. I believe "lightness" has more industrial connotations, whereas "value" still applies to the fine arts. -bornon5, 31 October 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bornon5 (talk • contribs) 02:53, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine. The article can explain that both words are used for the concept, and the value article can redirect here. The point is that we have a single concept, so it's silly to duplicate the information about it on two different articles. The popularity of the term "value" comes mostly from Munsell's use, as far as I know. More recent models like CIELAB and CIECAM02 use the term "lightness". --jacobolus (t) 04:24, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Is the term value used in painting to mean something not covered in the value article? If we mean that lightness=value=correlate of perceived brightness, I'm for merging them.--Adoniscik (talk) 14:58, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Does value mean something different in painting than its use by Munsell? I'm not aware of what that definition is. --jacobolus (t) 22:10, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I just checked a bunch of books, and they appear to agree that value is lightness or something reasonably equivalent. For example, this one. And this one pretty much says that artists use the Munsell system. Dicklyon (talk) 00:43, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Any objection to the merge? Dicklyon (talk) 01:16, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Objection. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.111.103.220 (talk) 06:15, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the merger. However, HSV should be mentioned as an unusual case, as colors don't progress from black to white. SharkD (talk) 10:16, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What is the diagram?

Could someone please add caption text to the first image (ColorValue.jpg)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.176.137.250 (talk) 16:48, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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-Could someone please add caption text to the first image (ColorValue.jpg)?