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Changing the names of the Maltese village articles

There is currently an ongoing debate about whether the articles on Maltese villages should be given their English names. Kyarichy has already gone and renamed a bunch of articles such as as Kalkara citing these changes from an old obsolete paper and http://www.geody.com, even though these names are no longer in use.

The naming conventions clearly state that foreign location names commonly used in English should be used as the article names.

It would be appreciated if you could assist us in this discussion. ~ ► Wykebjs ◄ (userpage | talk) 10:59, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

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Worship of the Golden Calf Now with 200% more Jewishness! Yes, folks, we're moving on up. This newsletter is now the newsletter for both WikiProject Judaism, WikiProject Jewish History, and WikiProject Kabbalah. In the future, I may split them, but for now I think we'll be just fine with one. As always, any questions or comments should be directed to me, L'Aquatique. A Special Dispatch Just a note, not aimed at anyone in particular. By order of the administrative cabal, it is officially not cool (and possibly dickish) to call someone an anti-semite when they aren't being anti-semitic. Anti-semitic is a very charged word, and it's important only to use it when you're absolutely sure it applies, lest it become the subject of a Godwin-esque law. Remember Hanlon's Razor: never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. In the News A new class on the importance scale has been added- C Class- which covers articles better than start but not quite to B Class yet. It is up to the WikiProjects to decide whether to adopt them or not. Currently, there has been little discussion within our Projects, so if you feel strongly either way be sure to note so at your Project[s]. There is a proposal to reword the section on NPOV regarding religious articles. Please see Wikipedia_talk:NPOV#Religion section - Disputes between historians or scientists and religious_views to weigh in. Thanks largely to the efforts of Xyz7890, a new navbox has come into being featuring Halakha topics. See: Template talk:Halakha to join in the conversation about how it can best be improved. To Do The Simple English Wikipedia is beginning a project of creating and improving articles related to religion, including Judaism. At the present time, volunteers are needed to propose our most important subjects for articles to be created. The official working list is here and a more extended list is here. If you are unsure of proper topics, you might try checking our lists of top importance level articles: Judaism and Jewish History. (WikiProject Kabbalah currently doesn't have such a list) [Simple English] WikiProject Christianity is considering running a monthly drive wherein two or three top importance articles from English Wikipedia are simplified and moved over to S.E. They have extended an offer to work with us in creating a similar project for Judaism related articles. For questions or volunteer opportunities, please contact User:John Carter. WikiProject Kabbalah is in dire need of an article rating system for quality and importance. If you are familiar with that system and have some time on your hands, please create one. It could also use some infoboxes... New Members Judaism: Big maybe, Janirai, Jfdwolff, Joseph.mahal, Joshua Weiss, LisaLiel, Rcjavid, Yehudi, YY, Agent204.15, Gilad73, Joseph.mahal, Noah03 Jewish History: Noah03 Kabbalah: None. Won't you join? New Articles Habib ben Elisha Faturechi (Thanks PhatJew!) There are some 40 odd standing requests for Judaism related articles. Please make them! I would, but I'm too busy writing this. . Menorah Quick Links Judaism Portal Kabbalah Portal Articles for Deletion Request for Comment Article Requests WikiProject Judaism Stats 281 Project Members 6155 articles 2342 of which are Stubs 15 of which are Good 8 of which are Featured WikiProject Jewish History Stats 69 Project Members 1124 articles 241 of which are Stubs 10 of which are Good 10 of which are Featured WikiProject Kabbalah Stats 12 Project Members 165 articles 87 of which are Stubs 1 of which is Good 1 of which is Featured Wikipedia ads file info – #148

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WP:WikiProject Norse history and culture

Hi! I've left a message on the project talk, but thought, since the talk isn't particularly active, that I'd send out a few talk page messages as well.

Basically, I've taken on the WikiProject section of the Wikipedia:Signpost, and would like to interview everyone about WP:WikiProject Norse history and culture, preferably on the talk page. I'd then edit it down a bit into a newspaper-style article, and link the original discussion at the bottom.

If you'd be interested in participating, could you let me know, either on my talk page, or at the Wikiproject's? Thanks!

Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 11:32, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll set this up on the project talk =) Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 16:40, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Nice map

Good job on the map you just added to the Hammer and Cross article. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 20:00, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 20:03, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 15 August, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Tryggve the Pretender, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Gatoclass (talk) 11:09, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Magdiel

Since you first created the page in reference to Edomites mentioned in Genesis, subsequent edits added divergent content – though nothing about the quite notable moshava of that name (now absorbed into Hod Hasharon), which has a good-sized page in the Hebrew Wikipedia. I took the initiative to split the English-language pages according to content, retaining your initial material on the following pages:

• Magdiel as background info on the place name
• Magdiel (disambiguation) with the Genesis citation

(There's also a page for Magdiel (school), without Edomite content :-)
What I did not do was create yet another page for the Edomites with this name. If you see fit, please follow through. -- Thanks, Deborahjay (talk) 12:28, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Olaf the Peacock

Great article! I made a few edits that I hope you won't object to.--Berig (talk) 07:48, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Assyriology

• Dear Sir, Assyriology isn't my interest, Egyptology is. However, I saw this flickr image: http://www.flickr.com/photos/shadowgate/346666569/ and I was wondering 1) what it was? and 2) whether Wikipedia would be better of with this image? The license allows it to be placed on Commons...but I don't want to upload something people don't need. Since I don't know what it is, I don't know how to catalogue it. Its from the Gulbenkian museum in Portugal and looks Assyrian to me and is a pretty decent picture. Leoboudv (talk) 09:52, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't know what it is either. The label on the picture is unhelpful. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 13:42, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

• Comment: Do you know a trusted contributor on the Assyriology Wiki Project who might know the answer about the identity of this object or whether the picture is needed on Wikipedia? I could then ask this person about his or her opinion here. Its very rare that such a unique picture is freely licensed on flickr. Thank You, sir. Regards, Leoboudv (talk) 20:09, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

You may want to try User:Šarukinu. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 21:27, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

• Comment. Unfortunately he seems to be away. He hasn't made an edit since mid-June 2008 according to this. By the Way, you have a User Nareklm listed in the Wiki Project Assyria page. Just one problem: he has been banned for abusive sockpuppetry. User Djaser at the top of the list hasn't made an edit since March 2007. That's why I don't know whom to contact (except an Admin like you). The flickr image of the Assyrian relief could be used for an article on Wikipedia...if only someone knew who it depicted. I guess it can be tough finding an expert in this field Mr Gotts. Leoboudv (talk) 02:20, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

These users are pretty knowledgeable and may be able to identify the subject of the picture:

• User:Chaldean
• User:Dbachmann
• User:Wetman

See this image: Image:Stitched an.jpg - it appears to have the same winged men as in your picture, identified as Annunaki. Hope this is helpful. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 02:35, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

• Thank you. I know Dbachman a little. Cheers, Leoboudv (talk) 10:29, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 28 August, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Olaf the Peacock, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Keep up the good work! Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 01:34, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Rognvald "Olafsson"

I never came across Ragnvald Olafsson either. So how do you feel about moving Ragnvald Olafsson? Franklin and Shepard have him as "Rogvolod" and "Ragnvaldr". Both seem quite popular on Google books, so it's just a case of deciding which you prefer. Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:03, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

P.S. I forgot to say that Olaf the Peacock gets a few mentions in Byock's Viking Age Iceland, if you can get hold of that. If not, let me know and I can add a little bit. Cheers! Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:05, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

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Sir Moses Montefore, a Jewish activist who died 123 years ago this month "Censorship" of names of G-d There is an interesting discussion currently taking place regarding whether or not it is acceptable to censor (i.e. G-d, HaShem->YodHey) names of G-d in articles to protect Jews who may be reading or editing the article. You can weigh in here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Judaism#Yahweh. Article Cleanup Lists User:B. Wolterding has generously offered us use of his bot to generate lists that show which articles of ours are tagged for cleanup. You can read more about this service here: User:B._Wolterding/Cleanup_listings and if you would like to take him up on his offer, contact him on his talk page. In the News The Jewish Barnstar The New Jewish Barnstar There is a collaboration drive to get Holocaust in Lithuania to good article status. For information about how you can help, see the talk page or contact User:Piotrus. WikiProject Kabbalah's only Featured and Good articles have been removed from the WikiProject, on the grounds that neither article (Diane Keaton and David Beckham, respectively) actually mention the subject's affiliation with Kabbalah. If you have sourced information linking either of these people to Kabbalah, please add it so the articles can be returned to the WikiProject. After a rather heated discussion, there are now two barnstars for use by the Jewish WikiProjects, {{The Jewish Barnstar}} and {{The New Jewish Barnstar}}, and you can choose which one you would like to use.. Remember: barnstars are for rewarding users who are doing good work on the project or on Judaism, Jewish History, or Kabbalah articles, and anyone can give anyone else a barnstar. If you see a user who you thinks deserves a thank you, give them a barnstar! To Do/Help Requests If you have some spare time on your hands, we could use an article about a Kabbalah scholar named Moshe Idel. According to HG there are quite a few sources easily available, you can contact him if you have questions. Be sure to nominate it for DYK if the finished article is eligible. The folks at Shimon Peres need some assistance from someone familiar with both the Hebrew calendar and language to help them figure out the subject's birthday. If you can help, please see Talk:Shimon_Peres#Birthday. New Members Judaism: Arigont, Avi, CheskiChips, Pini00001, Shirulashem, TaliaNadel, Tyciol, yehoshuafriedla Jewish History: 5768altalena, AniMate, User:Yosef.garibaldi.gmail, Pinnecco, Shirulashem, Tyciol Kabbalah: Shuliavrumi New Articles Bezalel Rudinsky (thanks Shirulashem!}, Jewish tartan (thanks Briangotts!), Hebrew spelling (thanks Epson291) We get a lot of articles that are being created and not announced! By announcing new articles, you attract attention to them, and the more people looking and editing the better they will get. If you would like your new article to appear in the newsletter, add it here for Judaism and Kabbalah and here for Jewish History. There are some 40 odd standing requests for Judaism related articles. Please make them! I would, but I'm too busy writing this. . Menorah Quick Links Judaism Portal Kabbalah Portal Israel Portal Articles for Deletion Request for Comment Article Requests WikiProject Judaism Stats 291 Project Members 6248 articles 2356 of which are Stubs 18 of which are Good 6 of which are Featured WikiProject Jewish History Stats 77 Project Members 1141 articles 244 of which are Stubs 10 of which are Good 10 of which are Featured WikiProject Kabbalah Stats 13 Project Members 165 articles 87 of which are Stubs 0 of which are Good 0 of which are Featured Wikipedia ads file info – #148

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Delete image

Dear Mr. Gotts, As an Admin, could you please delete this image on Wikipedia: Image:CleopatraVII.jpg as redundant? I have just moved it to Commons under another name here: [1] I couldn't use the same name on Commons because it was occupied by a coin of Cleopatra VII there. Thank You --Leoboudv (talk) 09:24, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Done! Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 23:43, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

• Thank you very much for your help Mr. Gotts. By the way, if I didn't tell you this Dbachman made excellent use of that Assyrian Winged genie image from the Gulbenkian collection for this nice new article. With kind Regards, Fabian --Leoboudv (talk) 00:19, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Correct non-free license

Dear Sir, I uploaded this non-free image for the article on the famous Israel or Merneptah Stele here: Image:Israel stela1.jpg I think it is a 3D work of art. If I have chosen the wrong non-free license, pls feel free to change it....because I usually only upload Commons images and am unsure about non-free pictures. Its virtually impossible to find a free image of this object which is in the Cairo museum where all photography has been banned. I have to leave now since its 3 AM. --Leoboudv (talk) 10:04, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

According to my understanding of copyright law, your upload is ok. It is being used for scholarly discussion in a limited way, and the museum cannot claim any financial harm from its use in any case. But you should know that there are a lot of obsessive, paranoid types on WP who will try to get rid of any nonfree image no matter how justified its inclusion is. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 15:29, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks for your reply. I looked on Commons and flickr and found nothing at all on the stela....I suppose everyone was 'obsessed' with taking photos of the Tut treasures. If someone in future wants to delete my non-fair image for the Merneptah/Israel stela, then so be it. However, there won't be a replacement image of it, that's for sure. As an aside, who are these 'obsessive, paranoid types' which you mention? Would they perchance be the actual copyright holders of the non-free images which are used here? Personally, I hate making fair use claims for images, but I just could not find an image of this critical document--the first recorded mention of Israel in history--anywhere. And the 2005 Cairo museum photo ban has cut off any future images of the stela sadly--Leoboudv (talk) 19:32, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

I have actually never heard of an actual copyright holder complaining of a fair use image used in WP (doesn't mean it didn't happen). What I was referring to was a dispute I had over an image of two Khazar coins that I used in that article- the pictures were from the Swedish numismatic museum. A certain user challenged the coins on reliable source grounds, and then when he was shown that the images were indeed properly sourced per WP requirements, he then claimed copyright violation. He managed to wrangle up enough people who were so terrified of being accused of copyvio that the images were removed. The Swedish museum in question never asserted that they had any problem with the images. If they had, they would have simply had to send a cease letter and the image would be removed at their request. They could never have claimed damages because there were none. User:Ghirlandajo has had similar problems, and there are others. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 13:24, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

• Yes I see what you mean. A Khazar coin or two would have brought the article more to life. I don't know why this user was obsessed about the image since it was claimed under fair use. I suppose another solution would be to contact someone on Swedish WP to see if they could visit the museum and take a picture and upload it on Commons...but really who has time for a hassle like this. Its unfortunate but life is not always fair sadly. As for my picture, lets just say if someone wants to delete it, I won't cry over spilled milk here. --Leoboudv (talk) 23:06, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

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WikiProject Historical Atlas

Hi Briangotts,

There is a revival in the WikiProject Historical Atlas. So, if you are interested, you are welcome to join.Daanschr (talk) 13:48, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Merging Russian projects into one project - your input requested

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Proposed deletion of Tomam

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Is Bering the same person as Wiglaf?

Can you please confirm it? This relates to Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Berig 2. Thank you. NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work} 14:16, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Vasilyev's theory in Khazars

I suspect you may have undone my edit because i did not finish making the right features into my citation link (just did not have enough time - now it is all correct there); but the mention of Vasilyev's hypothesis need to be sourced as per Wikipedia:Citing sources -- otherwise it ought to be deleted.Muscovite99 (talk) 14:41, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Also, it is obvious that such modifier of time as "recently (hypothesized)" is not appropriate for an encyclopedia.Muscovite99 (talk) 14:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Hi Brian, and thanks for supporting my successful request for adminship. It was nice to see all the kind comments I got from my supporters and I hope that I will be more useful to the community now that I have the tools again.--Berig (talk) 15:32, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

My assessment drive

Hi, I have started to assess the articles in the Norse history and culture project, and the articles A to E are now finished. If you feel that I have wrongly assessed any of them, don't hesitate to change the assessment.--Berig (talk) 09:15, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Nice!!! Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 23:34, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

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Denialist Hate Speech

First and foremost I would like to sincerely ask you for your help. Your input and patience is appreciated. I want to bring to your attention this. HD86 has made numerous comments such as "The Assyrians are EXTINCT people of ancient Mesopotamia whose name was stolen by some modern politicians and used in reference to the modern Syriacs. To label the modern Syriacs by "Assyrians" and to claim that "The Assyrian people trace their origins to the population of the pre-Islamic Levant" is indeed stupidity in its purest form." These comments are inflammatory, racist, unhistprical and outrageous. This user continues to deny that a whole race even exists. He needs to be wiki disciplined. This is unacceptable inflammtory denialist behavior. The equivalent of his statments would be that jews or arabs do not exist. Do you not see the point. His languge is very hateful and dimeaning to those of us involved in the project. If you take a look at his history he has similar incompetent statemetns regarding other controverisal topics. I ask for assistance in order to remove this hateful user from this discussion. He has denied the existence of an entire race that through ample ancient and modern evidence has existed for thousands of years. I will be waiting for your response. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nineveh 209 (talk • contribs) 02:41, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

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Norse History and Culture Assessement Drive

Hey, over the past few months, Berig and I have been attempting to assess all the unassessed articles tagged with the Wikiproject banner. This is a very time consuming process and with around a thousand left, I would much appreciate your help. Thanks, ErikTheBikeMan (talk) 16:02, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Help with juvenlie wikipedian

I added some tags to a few star wars fan film (mainly reference and plot tags, a few notability tags) articles and 2 merge proposals, Electronic Labyrinth: THX 1138 4EB into THX 1138 (since it was a theatrical adaption of his student film) and 6-18-67 into Mackenna's Gold since its a quasi documentary of said movie. However User:MikeWazowski undid almost all of them and is fighting over it. All the articles have no references but he removed the reference tags. They don't have notability, and/or are all plot noting else, out went the plot tags and according to him 1:42:08 is notable just because George Lucas made it, nothing else matters. Who's right? And why do Star Wars fan films get better treatment than real films and TV Shows? Just because they have more fans on their side? 74.13.109.25 (talk) 17:13, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the personal attack above - please remember WP:CIVIL. And I'll repeat what I said - you added notability tags to nearly every Star Wars fanfilm article on Wikipedia, when all of them have survived AfDs to establish their notbility - some of them several times. And as I also told you, WP:MOVIE establishes that the Lucas short films are notable enough for separate article based on their historical significance as well as the contributions of Lucas. MikeWazowski (talk) 17:19, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Where in movie does it say that for the second time??? "ALL GEORGE LUCAS WORK IS GOD AND NOTABLE" wasn't listed. And what about the 2 merging ones hmmm? 74.13.109.25 (talk) 17:26, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Please stop. The addition of erroneous templates to articles is considered vandalism, and I could report you at the vandalism noticeboard. -- IRP ☎ 17:15, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

WHATS ERRORONEOUS? I'm trying to help. They have NO references, so I tagged as no references ditto for plot and notability. Whats wrong? I am genuinely asking here. Why do large fanbase items like Star Trek and Star Wars get away with all kinds of stuff like this? Star Wars fan film articles that had notability and references I left alone (I even expanded one and added a reference i knew of) Why remove plot and reference tags? Why not just the notability tags? 74.13.109.25 (talk) 17:24, 14 December 2008 (UTC)