User talk:Neduvelilmathew

good work

Good work in the cleanup of Marthoma church article

Tinucherian (talk) 04:50, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I do agree removing Anglican churches tag from Marthoma Church page , but what about Syriac Christianity ???

Tinucherian (talk) 04:19, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

See below also ! User_talk:Garzo#Marthoma_church_is_Not_an_Anglican_Church_.21.21.21

12:01, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Mathews Mar Athanasius Metropolitan

Thank you for contacting me. I was about to revert my edit before checking the diffs. As far as I can see, all instances of "passed away" that I changed to "died" are written in historical sections documenting a series of events in a non-culture-specific way. These should use the term "died". If we were to use point-of-view terms in each article according to what culture it belonged to, it would defy our policy of WP:NPOV and our aim to write as objectively as possible. If I had changed any instances describing the concept of death in the religion, I would revert them. Perhaps you could introduce a sentence explaining death in this religion (the term used, how it is seen, &c.). If you think I'm wrong, please WP:Be bold and revert my edit, or contact me again. --Oldak Quill 16:54, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian Christianity

Hi N M Mathew ,

A new Wikiproject was started for Indian Christianity related articles. The goal of this WikiProject is to improve the quality and quantity of information about Indian Christianity available on Wikipedia. Your contributions are highly welcome . Please let others know who might also be interested.

Thanks

Tinucherian (talk) 11:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello, Neduvelilmathew , We have noticed your contributions to articles related to Indian Christianity. We thought you might also be interested in joining our WikiProject on Indian Christianity Articles on Wikipedia. We welcome you to join this project! Happy Editing! -Tinucherian (talk) 18:43, 17 February 2008 (UTC) An Useful guide for you :- Main Project Pages WikiProject Indian Christianity Project Page Parent Project Christianity Page How to Join the Project ? Add your name to Active Members Templates for the project The following templates can be used on pages in Wikipedia to associate them with the Indian Christianity WikiProject. Main templates {{Christianityportal}} — Template to add to MAIN pages of all Christianity-related articles {{ChristianityWikiProject|indian-work-group=yes}} : Template to add to TALK pages of all INDIAN Christianity-related articles {{User WikiProject IndianChristianity}} — Userbox for members to advertise our Indian Christainity Wiki project! This user is a participant in WikiProject Christianity in India. [[Category:Indian Christianity]] Category tag to Indian Christainity related articles. {{subst:Welcome2WP-IC}} Invitation to Interested Users. Stub templates {{Christianity-stub}} — Stub template for Christianity-related articles {{Saint-stub}} — Tag to add to saint-related stubs {{Church-stub}} — Tag to add to church building stubs What Should I do ?? These are lots of things you can do to improve the quality of Wikipedia coverage of Indian Christianity and this project Help and contribute to Indian Christanity related Articles Look over the recent changes list for recent improvements to articles, other changes, and vandalism. Attract attention from editors interested in Christianity and Christianity-related topics. Place the WPChristianity banner on the head of Talk Pages of relavent articles. Improve the WPChristianity banner that goes at the head of Talk Pages to handle tags for unreferenced, copyedit needed, cleanup needed, expansion needed, and POV warning. Adopted Topic, where a suite of topically related articles are targeted for improvement until there's a consensus to move on to a new topic. (see here). Article Review, for articles nominated by members for wider review. In this case the new ones go at the top and sink as new ones are added. (see here) Add more reward templates (barnstars), and have people in the task force actually watching logs and rewarding key contributors. Give help on Open tasks Contribute to Portal:Indian Christianity Thank you !

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		Dear Neduvelilmathew (talk · contribs) ,Thank you for your conributions to Indian christanity related artciles Tinucherian (talk) 17:02, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Marthoma Church

Hope you have seen some of the changes I have done to marthoma church page recently. Also I have added more info for Metropolithas from Mar Thoma I with things I know. May be you can expand these articles also ....Otherwise they may be removed on questions of verifibility and being stub articles

Thanks Tinucherian (talk) 03:22, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Thomas Mar Athanasius‎

Hi N M Mathew , I have noticed your changes http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Thomas_Mar_Athanasius&diff=prev&oldid=194587541 on Thomas Mar Athanasius‎ from Metropolitans of the Malankara Mar Thoma Syrian Church to Metropolitans of the Malankara Church . Do you think it is right to claim so , when there are more claims to Malankara throne , starting from Mathews Mar Athanasius Metropolitan era? It will be technically not right , when every episcopal church in Malankara have a right to Holy Apostolic Throne of St. Thomas ? - Tinucherian (talk) 05:05, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Tinu Cherian, The names Malankara Mar Thoma Church and Malankara Mar Thoma Syrian Church were adopted only after 1900. So the use of Mar Thoma Church before that time is not correct. Mathews Mar Athanasius was accepted by the Church and by the Government as Malankara Metropolitan of the Malankara Church. So his successor Thomas Mar Athanasius was Malankara Metropolitan. The court verdict of the litigation (1879-1889), was only about the Church properties, and it mentioned that the consecration, the authority of Thomas Mar Athanasius as Metropolitan and the properties of the individual parishes were not under consideration.(ref:Verdict Para 19 and 20.) So Thomas Mar Athanasius and successors can be considered as Malankara Metropolitans. (Ref; Canons Of the Malankara Church (1857) No.2 page 7-10). Also see the “History of the Name” in the article “Mar Thoma Church.” The Governement declaration of the head of the church was only to decide to whom the interest of a Deposit (known as Vattipanom) was to be given. Majority of the Malankara Metropolitans were not given any Royal proclamation. As per Canon, all successors of Mar Thoma I, of the ancient Malankara Church have a claim to be Malankara Metropolitan. All episcopal churches and Churches under foreign rule will not come uder this category.Neduvelilmathew (talk) 06:35, 28 February 2008 (UTC)(talk)

Portal:Indian Christianity Launched

We are happy to announce the launch of Portal:Indian Christianity by Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian Christianity , a work force of Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity and Wikipedia:WikiProject India. Please share your comments and suggestions. - Tinucherian (talk) 17:08, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Page will be updated soon

Please dont put writings as 'Page will be updated soon' in the articles. All pages in Wikipedia as subject to updation and changes. Hope you understood what I am suggesting. Otherwise some admin will say the same thing to you. - Tinucherian (talk) 10:04, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Portal:Indian Christianity Launched

Thanks I shall share your comments & suggestions. Neduvelilmathew (talk) 02:03, 8 March 2008 (UTC) Template:Tinucherian:talkback

Malankara Church

Have a look at my article Malankara Church. It also featured on Wiki Main page this month as DYK .... See Talk:Malankara Church - Tinucherian (talk) 09:55, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Indian Christianity

Hello,

Could you chime in at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indian Christianity? There is some debate going on regarding the name of the portal, project and the template & icon/flag logo. Thanks.Brian0324 (talk) 20:43, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Changes to Indian Christianity Wikiproject/workgroup

Upon discussion and consensus ( see here) , The following changes and decisions were taken w.r.t to Indian Christianity workgroup :-

• The scope of workgroup will be limited to Indian region only for now.
• The workgroup will be renamed to Christianity in India instead of Indian Christianity.
• The changes will effect the project pages, Portal and the templates.
• The templetes will be replaced by a Indian map instead of Tricolor flag picture.

This is FYI - Tinucherian (talk) 04:42, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity

Hello Neduvelilmathew!

You are cordially invited to participate in WikiProject Christianity The goal of WikiProject Christianity is to improve the quality and quantity of information about Christianity available on Wikipedia. WP:X as a group does not prefer any particular tradition or denominination of Christianity, but prefers that all Christian traditions are fairly and accurately represented.

You are receiving this invitation because you are a member of one of the related Christianity Projects and I thought that you might be interested in this project also - Tinucherian (talk) 06:31, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello Tinu,

Thanks for the invitation. I am delighted. I shall try my best.Neduvelilmathew (talk) 05:53, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Please add your name to the members' page - Tinucherian (talk) 05:57, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Malankara Metropolitan

Dear Mathew ,

I read your reply.You said that Mar Athanasios was not the Malankara Metropolitan.But in fact he was.In 1846 Mar Dionysious IV (Malankara Metroplitan),gave away his power and position to Yuyakkim Mar Koorilose,a Metropolitan from Antioch.Thus he became the temporary Malankara Metropolitan.Mar Athanasios filed a case against him.In 1848,the Kollam Panchayath(a commitee made by the king to settle the case) declared that Mathews Mar Athanasios was the real Malankara Metropolitan,and in 1852 July 28,The Royal Proclamation agreed to the decision of the Panchayath and again declared that Athanasios was the real Malankara Metropolitan Arun V Roy (talk) 06:29, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Dear Arun Roy,

“Metropolitan of the Syrian Christians”. This was what was written in the royal proclamation. We do not know why the government did not use the phrase “Malankara Metrapolitan”. Details of this are given in Malankara Marthoma Sabha Charitram Volume II, Pages 53-58, 77-78. Neduvelilmathew (talk) 05:27, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Titusji

Hi, you recently created the article Titusji. A quick google search shows to me that the subject is notable enough and that reliable references for it should exist. However, I think the article could use some work. I've left some tags on the article; in addition, is "Titusji" a first name - if so, does he have a last name? I think a little more context and perhaps some references would be helpful to ensure that the article is not deleted. Thanks for contributing, CrazyChemGuy (talk) 20:40, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

After entering the introduction to this article, instead of clicking the preview, I clicked the save page. And so the edit conflicts arose. Before finishing the editing I noticed the error and so I am making the necessary changes.Neduvelilmathew (talk) 21:16, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Infobox Marthoma Bishop

I saw that you have created {{Infobox Marthoma Bishop}} which is almost similar to the old one {{Infobox Bishop}}. Since it is redundant to the older one, it is likely that it may be nominated for deletion by someone.. Anyways let us see -- Tinu Cherian - 04:18, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Mar Thoma Church

Please do not keep on trying to remove the Syriac Christianity infobox from Mar Thoma Church (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs). We have had a discussion about it, and you were unable to show that the church does not stand in this tradition. I have repeatedly pointed out that the liturgy, ceremonial, clothing, calendar and sacred language of church is that of the Syriac churches, both East and West. The near total use of Malayalam in the church today does not diminish this fact. Thank you. — Gareth Hughes (talk) 15:53, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Dear Grazol Gareth.

This article is about my church, The Mar Thoma Church, and not about any other church. We know about our church, its history and traditions better than anybody else. Both your additions are unnecessary, unwanted and unwarranted. Hope you will not try to add these again and again. Thanks.Neduvelilmathew (talk) 17:45, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

It is not possible to win your argument by suggesting you own 'secret knowledge' or some other inside knowledge; the issue is about the well-known history of the Mar Thoma Church, about which I am supported by every source written about the church. You have never offered an argument to support your claims, so how can you be expected to be taken seriously? Your revert of me has been reverted again by another user, so already you are running against consensus. I have repeated my detailed argument on the article's talk page. If you actually have an argument, which I believe you do not, then add it to that talk page for consideration. Thank you. — Gareth Hughes (talk) 18:39, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

What is the purpose of including this unnecessary, unwanted and unwarranted thing into this article? If I am running against consensus, let it be there. At least you will be happy.Neduvelilmathew (talk) 18:53, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

This is not about my happiness. You have never, ever, given any reason why it is 'unnecessary, unwanted and unwarranted'. Please give an academic argument rather than empty rhetoric in the future. — Gareth Hughes (talk) 19:02, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Neduvelilmathew, do you realize you are arguing time and time again with scholars of Syriac, Church history, theology, and Tradition? You keep returning academic fact with rhetoric and nonsense. Mr. Hughes is an Anglican priest and Syriac scholar at Oxford. Where have you studied and what makes the books you site worth anything? We all understand YOU wrote the books you keep citing, the question is - why should we believe your statements when they go against history, tradition, language, verifiable fact, and consensus?

Ur artice on Throne of St.Thomas is wrong

It is history that St.Thomas didnot ordain a bishop in India. Only the view of Orthodox and jacobite church is correct, with regard to this throne. Refer to the history of Catholicate of East. See also the writings of Catholicos Bar Ebria of the 13th century AD. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.196.144.208 (talk) 17:16, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Who is Catholicos Bar Ebria of the 13th century AD? Is he from Malankara? Malankara Church belongs to the Malankara people. Outsiders can write whatever they want. For me believing them is difficult. Hope you will not try to write the history of other countries and churches and tell them to believe it.Neduvelilmathew (talk) 08:47, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Mathew, U are talking like Jesus was from Malankara. Dont forget that Mathew Athanasius also got ordination from Antioch. Is Antioch in Malankara?. Christianity is not confined to a particular place or region. Its catholic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexyalex (talk • contribs) 07:45, 10 October 2008 (UTC)