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Ottawa Panhandlers' Union

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This article (without an apostrophe) was successfully AFD'd before here. I don't believe the article has changed significantly since that time, and I don't see why it shouldn't be merged into the Industrial Workers of the World article. TastyCakes (talk) 17:32, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

This article was already nominated for deletion by the same user who clearly has some kind of political bias. How many times is he going to nominate this for deletion? Isn't there a limit on the number of times he can vote this for deletion? I say this should be overturned.Strummingbabe (talk) 18:09, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I did not nominate it for deletion, User:Samir did. Also, Strummingbabe appears to be a sock puppet of User:Aurush kazemini and/or User:MiltonP Ottawa, a banned user. TastyCakes (talk) 18:12, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

• KEEP This article was deleted last time as a result of a false flag campaign by someone claiming to be a member of the Panhandlers' Union -- a person who was homeless at the time with no access to a computer and is in any case functionally illiterate. The personal information used to identify this member (such as the name of an arresting officer and the crimes with which he was charged) would be unavailable to anyone except a member of the police department. The original Panhandlers' Union article was vandalized twice by someone using a computer located in either Ottawa City Hall or the Ottawa Police Station; this is verifiable with Wikiscanner. The nominator of this article has systematically targetted every single article he could find related to activism in the city of Ottawa, including Jane Scharf and Denis Rancourt. This is clearly a bad-faith nomination, and seeing as the original deletion should not have occured to begin with (and would not have, save for systemic bias in Wikipedia), there is absolutely no reason to delete this article. SmashTheState (talk) 18:12, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Comment: Coming from a user that knows a thing or two about bad faith nomination. By my count I nominated two semi-related articles for deletion - Jane Scharf and Denis Rancourt, only the first of which was successful. Also, a look at the previous AFD page shows the rounding up of meat puppets was an issue to the extent that making a decision was difficult. Hopefully we can now have a proper discussion and decide once and for all if the article is worth keeping. TastyCakes (talk) 18:24, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

COMMENT Ah. So you're admitting that this is a bad-faith attempt at "revenge" for what you see as some kind of campaign against articles you like? SmashTheState (talk) 19:30, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

• Keep. No deletion rationale has even been given. There's notability, media coverage, etc. The article seems somewhat poorly written, but it deserves a chance to be improved. Bolwerk (talk) 18:14, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
  • comment: Ah sorry, my rationale would be approximately the same as the previous AFD nomination: it does not presently portray a particularly notable group (they exist to... fight tickets and disrupt commerce?), is poorly written and has POV issues. I feel the content could be more than adequately wrapped up in the IWW article, the IWW being the parent organisation if I'm not mistaken. TastyCakes (talk) 18:29, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

COMMENT I was not aware that the political activities and affiliation of an organization had a bearing on its notability. I was under the impression that it was based on such things as media coverage. Perhaps you'd be so good as to direct me to that policy? And the IWW is not the "parent" organization. The Panhandlers' Union of Ottawa is affiliated with the IWW. Is its own organization and could, in theory, cease to be a member of the IWW at the choice of its members, just as any other union could change its affiliation. And seeing as the IWW is 104 years old and has had as many as 200,000 members at one time, "rolling" every affiliated union into the IWW article would amount to something the size of a dead-tree encyclopedia. SmashTheState (talk) 19:29, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

COMMENT: You were not aware that an organisation had to do something notable to have a wikipedia article? Are you saying the OPU is not notable enough to be mentioned in the IWW article but is notable enough to have its own page? TastyCakes (talk) 20:02, 19 January 2009 (UTC)