Talk:Psychedelic rock

Citation needed for what?

Why does this sentence need a citation?

"Bands such as The Smashing Pumpkins and Tool fused psychedelic rock sounds with heavy metal, becoming highly successful alternative rock acts in the 1990s."

I'm going to remove it since I don't think we need a citation to prove that Smashing Pumpkins and Tool both use tremendous amounts of production effects and employ extended or untraditional song structures for some of their songs. TorbenFrost 20:36, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Small, but loyal cult?

I really don't think the listeners of psychedelic rock are small or a cult =\ changing this.

Singles?

This section contains songs that were never singles. Should we change this section name to Songs instead?

Kurrgo master of planet x 18:39, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Erm, Black Sabbath?

Their first album is hardly Psychedelicx... i'm removing it Steve

A few comments

Ok, 2 things...

about the beach boys, the page reads: "In 1966, responding to the Beatles' innovations, they produced their album Pet Sounds..." this isnt really true... in fact, pet sounds inspired the beatles more than it was inspired BY them. pet sounds came out before sgt peppers and was the main inspiration behind it, according to mccartney and george martin. mccartney says that pet sounds is his all time favorite album and "god only knows" is his favorite song. also, perhaps the page should discuss the similarities between the beach boys and the beatles, and what these traits meant for psychedelia (use of string/orchestra arrangements, extensive multitracking, lots of harmonies, etc).

Yes but the Beatles Rubber Soul influenced Pet Sounds first. Pet Sounds is not really a Psychedelic album anyway. Whereas Revolver uses psychedelic influences backward guitars, exotic Indian drones, tape loops as well as avant Influences like "Tomorrow Never Knows". Rubber Soul shows Psychedelic influences in Rubber Soul with tracks like the "The Word" and sitar driven "Norwegian Wood" which predates Pet Sounds. Pet Sounds is more known for it's arrangements but it's more related to Baroque pop which the Beatles flirted with "Yesterday" in 1965.

It's a moot point, and a good example of why we need citations. The competitiveness between Brian Wilson and the Beatles is well documented. To be fair, "Rubber Soul" had been out since Dec '65 and the Beatles had released 'Revolver' the month before 'Pet Sounds'. I guess I'd better find some quotes to back up my assertion that Wilson was trying to beat these two albums. Tim flatus (talk) 09:53, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

another thing.... "The psychedelic influence was also felt in black music" This paragraph only really discussses the influence on soul/r&b... psychedelia had a big impact on funk as well, as sly and the family stone were pretty much a part of the psychedelic movement (they were, after all, woodstock performers). psychedelic artists also had a big impact on reggae. bob marley and lee perry had been fans of psychedelic rock and their collaborations (prior to marley's signing to island records) show this influence. lee perry's later work in dub had lots of psychedelic influence, with the use of lots of multitracking, experimental recording/miking setups, samples, and hendrix-esque effects such as delay lines and phasers (lots of dub effects had been used a ton in psychedelic rock; the phaser pretty much came from psychedelia as it was derived from the ADT that ken townshend and john lennon came up with).

Sly and the Family Stone, yes. I think the influence on Reggae is really beyond scope. Tim flatus (talk) 09:53, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

should i edit some changes?

12-30-05

Changed "...and recently invented "trippy" electronic effects such as distortion..."

to

"...and "trippy" electronic effects such as distortion..."

because most trippy electronic effects have been around in one form or another since (at-least) the 1950s.

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"which contains the track 'Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds', the initials of which spell out LSD" -- band members have specifically denied this is anything other than a coincidence --user:Daniel C. Boyer

ISTM that bands tend to propagate a lot of mythology that is geared more toward constructing an image than toward informing us about what was going on at the time. B.Bryant 16:02 Dec 26, 2002 (UTC)

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Odd that someone picked "Pictures of Lily" as an example of The Who's psychedelia when much more familiar examples such as "I Can See for Miles And Miles", "Magic Bus", and the "Underture" from Tommy are ready to hand. B.Bryant 16:02 Dec 26, 2002 (UTC)

Well, that got quick results, so now let's try the Rolling Stones. I'm admittedly not very familiar with their early material, but I'm surprised that nothing on Their Satanic Majesties Request is mentioned as a part of their psychedelic contribution. B.Bryant 16:37 Dec 26, 2002 (UTC)

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In the USA the term psychotic is also attached to this style of pop music.

By whom? I have never heard psychotic used as the name of a musical style. This may be a joke. --- Ihcoyc

OTOH, there was an album and song called Psychotic Reaction by Count Five! Lee M 05:33, 20 Sep 2003 (UTC)

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I hope nobody minds my "Music Samples" bit. I'll (hopefully) develop it more in time and implement it into other genre pages. The samples are from Amazon.com - should I upload them to WikiMedia? Also, how do you align the graph with the top of the text? -Archagon 22:35, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Yes, but see Wikipedia:Sound samples. They need to be in ogg format and need to qualify as fair use (or be pd/freely licensed to begin with). Tuf-Kat 22:45, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC)

Would it be legal, then, to download Amazon's samples, convert them to OGG, and upload them to WikiMedia? -Archagon 23:13, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I suppose so, provided they would be fair use from any other source. Amazon doesn't own a copyright on them, so the fact you downloaded them from there instead of some other site or from a CD you bought is irrelevant. About 20 seconds in length is generally agreed upon as acceptable, though there has been some dispute about this. Tuf-Kat 00:44, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)

Streamlining and cuts

You'll notice that I cut some details for consolidation, streamlining, and balance of detail. IMO there is still too much about the Beach Boys: though the material is relevant, it's far out of proportion to the brief mention everyone else gets. If we want more detail then IMO we should add some sections for them. For example, we could move the musical characteristics to its own section and then give a list of "classic" psychedelic songs that illustrate each one. As for band-specific details, we could add a section with per-band subsections, but IMO that is best left to the bands' own pages and the list of psychedelic music artists. — B.Bryant 23:22, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

psychedelic vs. acid rock

what is the difference between acid rock and psychedelic rock? the acid rock article itself only redirects to the psychedelic rock article.

I think acid rock is generally the darker stuff, more like The Doors than Grateful Dead, for example. It's a blurry a line, though -- the two terms are more or less synonymous. Tuf-Kat 20:59, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)

Psychedlic rock and acid rock are NOT the same thing. Acid rock is characterized by long jams sometimes without lyrics and by songs which sometimes lack a traditional pop song structure. It would later give way to progressive rock in the early seventies. Psychedelic rock had songs which still retain a traditional structure. Pink Floyd is a good example of a band that played both styles. Their early material is clearly Psychedlic rock but by 1970 they were an acid rock band.

I so think you're splitting hairs here. These are all more-or-less synonymous genre definitions. Acid Rock and Space Rock have their own pages. The music of the 1965-69 period can be reasonably described as 'Psychedelia'. The term 'Psychedelic Rock' (/pop) is only really useful to differentiate from other psychedelic styles such as the electronic dance music forms. Much of the psychedelic music of the '70's was actually promoted as 'Progressive Rock'. I think it's useful to bring it all together in one page like this. I think this is the best article on band-based psychedelic music on wikipedia, it has a really good scope and covers most of the bases. Tim flatus (talk) 09:53, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

I remember this exact same debate back in 1967. My opinion is they were two names for the same music. Labels like these are usually concocted by the media and are purely arbitrary in nature.

Seems the debate itself is now rock history. Aimulti (talk) 08:44, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

""I remember this exact same debate back in 1967"" if you were there you are not supposed to remember it. I cannot find musicologists that distinguish acid rock from psychedlic rock. I agree that acid rock article should be merged into her, a redirection put in and a clear explanation added.--Sabrebd (talk) 10:33, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Floyd misrepresented

First a disclaimer: I'm a Pink Floyd fanatic so if this comes off as a little whiny, my apologies. For those of you maintaining this page, you should look into this a little more closely.

I'm somewhat taken aback at how Pink Floyd is presented on this page as an afterthought. In the UK, the psychedelic movement was an underground thing for several years before exploding into the mainstream, and Pink Floyd was often considered the most prominent band in that movement (this was long before they were famous.) They were sometimes thought of as the "house band of the psychedelic underground." Their shows contained many firsts that were later used by other bands, including the use of oil slide projections. They were also pioneers of stage lighting and augmenting on-stage performances with unusual audio effects. It's likely that a lot of famous bands like The Beatles and The Rolling Stones took a few cues from Pink Floyd (some of these band members were sighted in the audience of early Floyd shows.) In some respect, Pink Floyd got the ball rolling in terms of British psychedelic music and led the way. To see them tagged on to the end of a paragraph here as "also representative" is a massive discredit to what they did.

As to the previous comment about Pink Floyd, whoever you are I agree with you. Why don't you add some pink floyd info in?

Eh? quotes: intro "The psychedelic sound itself had been around at least a year earlier in the live music of the Grateful Dead and Pink Floyd, and Donovan's hit Sunshine Superman" and 60s Britain, "Pink Floyd had been developing psychedelic rock with light shows since 1965 in the underground culture scene, and in 1966 the Soft Machine formed" briefly covers it: Donovan beat them to it in getting a record out, they're there at the start of the British scene. Feel free to improve. ..dave souza 00:59, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Surely Pink Floyd are second only to (maybe) The Beatles in terms of popularity? Tim flatus (talk) 09:53, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Tool

Tool is at the forefront of modern psychedelic rock experimentation. But oddly no one mentioned Tool, so I put a little sentence about them and a link. Most bands such as Grateful Dead aren't really psychedelic they were just over glorified pop idols from the 60's. Tool ar not at the forefront of anything except pretentious neu-metal. They have a lot of dork fans and therefore a large internet presence but nothing to do with psychedelia aside from the marijuana intake of their "cult". I'm no deadhead but to say they were just pop idols is ridiculous. Albums like "Anthem of the Sun" are surely psychedelic and live they were quite experimental and LSD-experience-oriented. If any band is over-glorified (while simultaneously laughed at by those outside the cult) it is the dour, monotonous Tool. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.252.245.212 (talk) 05:42, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

This is all getting very silly! The Grateful Dead are one of the defining bands of the genre, with a 30 year history. Tool deserve mention alongside bands like Porcupine Tree, where you will find them in the 'progressive metal' section of any record shop. Perspective, gentle-folk, please! Tim flatus (talk) 09:53, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Nirvana?

First of all, Love Buzz was a cover. Secondly, is it really psychedelic? I wouldn't say so.

Sgt. Peppers Reference

If we are going to say that Sgt. Peppers was a poor example of 60s Psychadelic Music (which it was) why are we even mentioning it in the article.

I take your point. However, it has to be said that it isn't the best Beatles' album (Revolver is ;-) and it isn't better than 'Pet Sounds'; it *was* hugely successful and influential and is as important as 'Piper At The Gates Of Dawn' and 'Odessey and Oracle' in the development of Psychedelia. That's why it should be mentioned. Did I have to say that? Tim flatus (talk) 09:53, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

First Revolver was released in August of 1966 and "Tomorrow Never Knows" was recorded in April of 1966 when Pink Floyd released their first record in 1967. Jefferson Airplane Surrealistic Pillow was released in Feb of 1967 the same month the Beatles overtly Psychedelic "Strawberry Fields Forever". So the Beatles basically helped put Psychedelic Rock before Pink Floyd and Jefferson Airplane. Sgt Pepper was more influential to Progressive Rock and Art Rock. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sydfloyds12 (talk • Sydsfloyd12 (UTC)

Oh come on!

"While the first musicians to be influenced by psychedelic drugs were in the jazz and folk scenes" should presumably say "the first twentieth century musicians", as musicians have probably been finding ways to get out of it ever since music first happened. Anyway, late 19th century Ottoman music was heavily influenced by hashish, as was Rebetiko in the 20th Century... The Real Walrus 23:13, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I added the word 'contemporary'. Tim flatus (talk) 11:52, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Contradictions

This article states that sgt Peppers was the first psychedelic album. That is a common mistake; the first album, that could be call "psychedelic" (in rock music at least) is the beach boys "Pet sounds". The article even claims that the last one was influenced by the beatles, when it was released before sgt peppers, and Mc cartney himself acknowledge the influence of "pet sounds " on sgt peppers.

Please sign your posts on talk pages per Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages. Thanks! Hyacinth 03:01, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

And Rubber Soul and Revolver pre-date that. Tim flatus (talk) 09:53, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

actually first album was by the 13th Floor Elevators was the first psychedellic album. It's even called "The Psychedellic Sounds of the 13th Floor Elevators".

How about The Deep? Pat Kilroy? The Byrds? Alan Watt's "This is It" from 1961 is considered by many the first psychedelic LP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.252.245.212 (talk) 05:45, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

The Deep are the first band to use the word 'Psychedelic' in an album title i Oct '66, closely follwed by 13th Floor Elevators and The Blues Magoos in Nov '66. Tim flatus (talk) 09:53, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Rest of the world

Added information about the dutch band Group 1850. It is quite lonely right now, we should try to find other non-US/Britain Psychedelic bands. Reko 23:23, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Need more music samples

Just one sample is not representative of all psychedelic music. At least some Pink Floyd, Peppers-era Beatles, or Jefferson Airplane is essential. --68.107.44.241 03:28, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

One group that seems missing here is Canada's Mahogany Rush, with Frank Marino who proclaims himself as a psychedelic rocker in a promo video:

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.showvids&friendID=58451563&n=58451563&MyToken=8da829b4-ba27-43fa-8c93-d5b3e65eca58

The first two albums came out in 72 and 74 and Maxoom and Child of the Novelty fit the bill exactly, check out the cover of Child of the Novelty.

Dwaink 03:42, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Why is there a whole section on the Beatles?

Why is there a whole section on the Beatles and not one on bands that were probably more influential on psychedelia than them such as Pink Floyd and Jefferson Airplane.

First Revolver was released in August of 1966 and "Tomorrow Never Knows" was recorded in April of 1966 when Pink Floyd released their first record in 1967. Jefferson Airplane Surrealistic Pillow was released in Feb of 1967 the same month the Beatles overtly Psychedelic "Strawberry Fields Forever". So the Beatles basically helped put Psychedelic Rock before Pink Floyd and Jefferson Airplane. Sgt Pepper was more influential to Progressive Rock and Art Rock —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sydfloyds12 (talk • contribs) 21:41, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

• I agree with this sentiment, inasmuch as the latter two groups were contemporaries with The Beatles and they were essentially 100% psychedelic, where The Beatles only briefly courted with the genre. Another Beatle mistake in the article is Meet The Beatles was not recorded in a single day. The author must have been thinking about UK LP Please Please Me or the US counterpart Introducing The Beatles. This LP was recorded in a single day. I will fix this portion. ZincOrbie 18:53, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
• I find it extremely, EXTREMELY inaccurate to give Sgt. Pepper's the credit for having the largest impact on psychedelic music. Though it was most likely their most influential to pop music in general, especially on studio production, the idea of concept albums, and progressive/art rock music. But every music historian knows that REVOLVER was that record that literally started psychedelic music, it was everything for psychedelic music, and Sgt. Pepper's was a continuation of the psychedelic experiments of Revolver, yet it was in itself a less psychedelic record. Wikipedia already states all of this information, and has stated it for a very long time, it CLEARLY supports Revolver as the beginning of psychedelic music. Wikipedia is contradicting itself at the moment!

Gees, boo hoo you guys >_> 99.240.217.191 (talk) 08:23, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Referencing

This article is verging on the edge of communal Original Research. It needs some references and sources to support and justify the whole thing. Are there any books or articles on this genre? SorrowD 17:18, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

There probably is some good reference material out there, although I don't know of any. As far as "communal Original Research," it appears to me that most of the editing is being performed by people with a rounded knowledge of the genre, and with very little disagreement. If there was more contention then I'd agree that solid referencing would be necessary. ZincOrbie 18:26, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

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Album cover art

Would it be useful to discuss/add album cover art as an important section of this article?

http://www.tim-rose.co.uk/music.htm#bigthreelive is a possible early consideration(63') and there are tons of covers afterwards that might lend themselves to an understanding of what the genre was all about.

--Dwaink 02:01, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Focus on psychedelic "rock"

Parts of this article seem to focus on psychedelic music as a whole instead of psychedelic rock in particular. There are many occasions where the terms "psychedelic music", "pop music" or "psychedelia" are used instead of psychedelic rock. Therefore I suggest the article (most importantly the characteristics section) be trimmed and its focus narrowed. ...Superfopp 14:06, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that it's by far the best article on band-based psychedelia on wikipedia. Please don't trim it down too much. Some parts actually need expanding. And more citations, always more citations. Tim flatus (talk) 09:53, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Jefferson Airplane

They should be added somewhere in here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.6.20.103 (talk) 19:50, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

The Brian Jonestown Massacre

Definitely considered a major group in the 1990s Psychedelic Rock revival...they deserve a mention, especially since band member Rob Campanella's two other bands (Beachwood Sparks and The Tyde) are on there.

Notice the band's Wiki, they should be added by someone that's good with editing (not me). Also check out that list of "Descendents"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Jonestown_Massacre —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.117.232.33 (talk) 17:35, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but I also think we should make a clear distinction between the shoegaze/stoner rock end of things and the Elephant 6 collective, who are more overtly psychedelic (IMO) and the UK Festival scene bands, such as Ozrics et al. Tim flatus (talk) 10:21, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Somebody who is familiar with BJM needs to write this section. Tim flatus (talk) 13:37, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

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Paragraph Organisation

It makes sense to make five main sections - 60's; 70's; '80's; 90's; and '00's. The 'Australasia' para should be cut down and included in the rest of the world. I'd actually go futher and suggest that sub-paragraphs should deal with sub-genres rather than regions. The Gong Family of bands stretches over five continents, for example. I could add a decent overview of the '70's before the neo-psychedelia section, which is coherent with the '80's, of course. Tim flatus (talk) 10:13, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Psychedelic 70's

I added an overview. Open to comments. Tim flatus (talk) 22:37, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I removed some egregious news items. Tim flatus (talk) 22:09, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Psychedelic Rock In England

I found this section very poor and lacking in any knowledge of the topic other than citing the most famous albums and artists.

Omissions include: -

No discussion of how Folk Rock evolved into Psychedelic Rock. No reference to the clubs that initiated the Psychedelic revolution, namely Middle Earth, The Arts Lab, UFO and the Roundhouse. No reference to the artists and the lightshows like Marc Boyle. No reference to the major role disc jockey, John Peel played. (Almost single handed exposing the music) No reference to the pirate radio stations. No reference to the hard core Psychedelic bands like Hawkwind and Arthur Brown No reference to International Times (IT) and Oz magazine.

I would like to rewrite this section but it will require major work to fully reference.

Aimulti (talk) 11:22, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Fair comment generally, except that Fairport & Hawkwind are covered in later sections in this article. Neither band formed until 1969 (Late 1960s). I don't understand Wikipedia's 'Fair Use' policy. It seems ridiculous that we can't use any images of album covers in this article. There is quite a bit of additional information I could add, but I'll hold off until you're done. Tim flatus (talk) 12:22, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually you are incorrect. Fairport Convention and Crazy World of Arthur Brown both date back to 1967. Fire (CWAB) was a hit in 1968. I will be working on this section (more) soon. Look forward to your input. Best wishes. Aimulti (talk) 06:08, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I stand corrected. Tim flatus (talk) 15:37, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

"Psychedelic rock in Britain, in common with its American counterpart had its roots in the Folk rock genre. In much the same way that The Great Society and the original Jefferson Airplane were electrified folk bands, the same was true of early psychedelic bands in the Britain such as Fairport Convention". - sorry to say there is a serious misunderstanding here. Fairport were not an electrified folk band, they were a folkified electric band, at most they flirted with Psychedelia. Much as I am a fan I have removed them and tried to put together a paragraph from the references to folk and folk rock. I will try to add more references when I can --Sabrebd (talk) 16:33, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Neo-Psychedelia

I just did a major rewrite of this section: reorganised into a better date order, checked links and added a whole lot more information. I'm aware of its shortcomings, so please feel free to improve upon it. Tim flatus (talk) 23:39, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Recent edit was reverted as it violated numerous Wikipedia policies. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 23:42, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

OK. Trying again, line-by-line. I have started by re-arranging the paragraphs to give a better chronology and made a couple of corrections. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tim flatus (talk • contribs) 20:02, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

And carefully adding a little extra info. Tim flatus (talk) 21:58, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Removed first sentence as I don't think he disclaimer is necessary. Please consider writing a new intro for this section rather than reverting. Tim flatus (talk) 11:58, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Psychedelic rock in the United Kingdom

I have started on the re-write of this section. It is a work in progress and I will add more references over the next few days and expand it to fully cover the topic.

(Editors) Please allow me a little slack (a few days or so) as referencing all assertions takes considerable time.

Aimulti (talk) 08:28, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Criteria.

I've noticed lately a lot of people don't regard songs without drug references as psychedelic songs. This is completely wrong, lyrics and the band's use of drugs are not the only criteria to define a song as psychedelic (like when someone in the acid rock discussion page that Pink Floyd are not a psychedelic rock band because they don't use drugs (which is wrong too, but never mind). Another example is the song The Fool on the Hill, which is not considered here a psych rock song (I've added the genre to the list but it was removed, the rational being that it contains no drug references). --~Magnolia Fen (talk) 07:57, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm totally with you on this one Magnolia Fen. Tim flatus (talk) 13:39, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Hesitation Blues

Quote: "...the first use of the term "psychedelic" in popular music was by the "acid-folk" group The Holy Modal Rounders in 1964, with the song "Hesitation Blues"...." Are you sure that this is a serious information and and not a widespread but wrong information by lysergia.com? I found the complete lyrics here: Holy Modal Rounders - Hesitation Blues and there is no "psychedelic" and there is also nothing like "...I got my psychedelic feet/In my psychedelic shoes/Oh lordy momma/I got the psychedelic blues..." as quoted at lysergia. I have only listen to a 30 sec. sample of "Hesitation Blues" and it seems the lysergia lyrics belong to a completely different track and/or artist. Does anyone have serious information about this (or much better heard the complete track)?--77.25.46.178 (talk) 11:08, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, The only way I can do that is to put it on my last.fm playlist and wait for it to come round. I'll check out 'Euphoria' while I'm at it. More information and more complete lyrics are available here:

• http://www.enter.net/~torve/songs/hesitation.html
• http://www.metafilter.com/42410/The-Moray-Eels-Eat-The-Holy-Modal-Rounders-and-Charlie-Poole-to-boot
• http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/westcoastpsychedeliaandacidrock/message/2611

Tim flatus (talk) 12:16, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, I just listened to it. The lyrics in that first link appear to be correct and complete. He does indeed mention psychodelic feet in psychodelic shoes towards the end of the version. Tim flatus (talk) 15:28, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, the bluegrassmessengers confused me. :o) --77.24.187.177 (talk) 19:15, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Citations and Cleanup

I'd really like to get rid of the Refimprove and Essay-like Flags at the top of the article. This page has changed considerably since Dec 2007. We have two unresolved facts:

1) "Roky Erickson, lead singer of The 13th Floor Elevators, coined the term 'psychedelic rock' in a 1966 interview." in History

2)"The Easybeats, who scored an international hit in late 1966 with their classic single "Friday On My Mind" (which was in fact recorded in the UK)." in Australasia.

Can we think about re-writing these if references can't be come by?

1) Could be replaced with a mention of 13th Floor Elevators in the body with reference to The Psychedelic sounds of ... and Easter Everywhere, which seems more relevant that the 'fact' that Roky coined the term in an unreferenceable interview.

Could 2) be resolved by simply removing the factoid in parenthesis?

Beyond that, it might be useful to get a more experienced editor to have a look over the page and point out what kinds of statements need cleaning up and places that additional citations would help at this point. Or indeed whether the flags can be regarded as out-of-date now. Do any of the other currently active editors need more time before we put out for more critical advice?

I'm up for trying to nail these references. Tim flatus (talk) 13:33, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Freakbeat vs Psyche? (+Jimmy Page with experimenting with Bow first!?)

Why is there's no mention of freakbeat in this article (I think that's important as it was the genre that bridged Beat and Psyche)? I would like to know what the difference is between Freak and Psyche. Atm I'm the only way i'm differing the 2 is that Freakbeat most of the time has stormy drums, The Who-like guitar chords and an R&B beat, feedback, fuzz, distortion, chaos and mayhem. But sometimes it can be really fuzzy if it's freak or psyche (or Garage Rock).

Also wasn't the guitarist from the archetype freakbeat band The Creation earlier with experimenting guitar with a bow?

Another question, the term freakbeat was conceived 20 years later before then, what they call it? I heard Mod Psychedelia, but I've got my doubts.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Loempiavreter (talk • contribs) 07:40, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

1.) I think the term Freakbeat was the british counterpart to US-american Garagerock. The Archive International Productions ran a series of compilations called English Freak Beat in the early nineties. Here is an example. I own a vinyl version containing obscure Mod stuff but no psychedelic music. It is possible that the label created the term Freakbeat.

2.) The Creation released their debut Making Time in June 1966 with a guitar solo played with a violin bow. Their follow up Painter Man also contains guitar-bow-work but absolutely amazing is the US-version of their 1967 release How Does It Feel with overdubbed guitar-bow-noise. The UK-version omitted the overdubbed guitars. Also of interest: The pre Creation formation called Mark Four released I'm Leaving in August 1965 as a flip side. It includes some wonderful feedback. I do not know if they predates The Who.--77.25.102.44 (talk) 21:58, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I like para 2.) I reckon that's worth including in the article. Change the word 'developed' in the Page reference to something more appropriate. Tim flatus (talk) 13:24, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

I've heard that before though in an article I've read about Freakbeat, is that Freakbeat ain't an reaction on a reaction but a mere evolution. Garage Rock is an reaction on the Beat & R&B sounds of britain, but Freakbeat is an evolution on that. So I doubt it's the British equilivant of the US Garage Rock. An Top 30 Freakbeat Article also had songs listed from my country, The Netherlands, Iceland, Ireland and even an American band stationed in Germany.

Just let me take a few songs considerd Freakbeat: http://media.putfile.com/The-Buzz---Your-Holding-Me-Down---FREAKBEAT http://media.putfile.com/The-SyndicatsCrawdaddy-SimoneFreakbeat http://media.putfile.com/Wimple-Winch---Save-My-Soul---FREAKBEAT http://media.putfile.com/Mickey-Finn---Garden-Of-My-Mind---FREAKBEAT http://media.putfile.com/Alan-Pounds-Get-Rich---Searching-in-the-Wilderness---Freakbeat

VS the Garage Rock Sounds: http://media.putfile.com/The-Unrelated-Segments---The-Story-Of-My-Life---GARAGE-ROCK http://media.putfile.com/The-Magic-Mushroom---Im-Gone---GARAGE-ROCK http://media.putfile.com/The-Pleasure-Seekers---What-A-Way-To-Die---GARAGE-ROCK http://media.putfile.com/The-Ugly-Ducklings---Nothin---GARAGE-ROCK http://media.putfile.com/The-Castaways---Liar-Liar---GARAGE-ROCK

I find the sound to different to call it British Garage Rock. Freakbeat have storming wild drumming, more guitar experimentation and is overall more crazy (also I've heard a few Freakbeat songs experimenting with a horn section). Garage Rock on the other hand is more RAW (and most the time have some scream, which I will dub the Garage scream for now), amateurish.

Seems the Freakbeat songs follow a "My Generation" (by the Who) song structure, http://youtube.com/watch?v=YdRs1gKpeGg , or maybe the song itself is an mostly uncredited Freakbeat song but the wild storming drums and the song going crazy at the end, though Wiki states it as "Hard Rock, Rock, pop, R&B"?

Loempiavreter —Preceding unsigned comment added by Loempiavreter (talk • contribs) 15:27, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

The main reason for the lack of Freakbeat information is that no-one has bothered to write it yet. I've not heard of most of the bands you mention, so I'm sceptical about notability, but if you're confident that you can defend any challenges then go ahead. The distinction of genres is probably not important, neither is whether you or I like it or not. If they were notable psychedelic bands then they deserve a mention for sure. I would suggest avoiding any unnecessary description. Tim flatus (talk) 13:24, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

and 2000s?

I don't think this article should go there. George Harrison's death is a really good place for the History to stop. Surely both QotSA and Wolfmother are notable in heir own ways. I don't care who was the most successful, I want to know why they are relevant to psychedelia.

PS: If English isn't your first language please use a spell/grammar checker and try to write in the same tense as the rest of the section. I don't mind editing it when I get time, but I'm likely to be fairly ruthless. Some editors would simply revert it. (this comment particularly refers to some other recent edits) Tim flatus (talk) 13:35, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Animal Collective

is not part of the Elephant 6 Collective. (although I can see how the names are misleading). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.66.251 (talk) 06:23, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

It would be great if somebody could organize the '90s section in a way that makes sense. I don't know enough about the American bands to be able to do this. Tim flatus (talk) 09:22, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Led Zeppelin!

Where is Led Zeppelin in this article??? they were a major psychedelic band in their early years especially!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.31.206.40 (talk) 18:53, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

They were a heavy metal, hard rock, blues-rock and folk rock band who never played psychedelic rock at all??? Peter Fleet (talk) 19:02, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Sleep

It is Impossilbe to go to sleep with this kind of music. Marshall T. Williams (talk) 00:22, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

The Syn

There's been a wave of editing activity around The Syn and Steve Nardelli, including a certain amount of dispute. Some 'third parties' with expertise in psychedelic music would be valuable if anyone would like to come on over. Bondegezou (talk) 17:16, 13 October 2008 (UTC)