User talk:Soccer-holic

Borac Cacak or Zemun

Zemun should be the participant in the UEFA Cup as Serbian cup finalists, but they might not have gained UEFA license because they were relegated from Serbian First Division which is 2nd level football league in Serbia. Regards, Isavevski (talk) 21:16, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I found one here but it's on Serbian. It's from today. It says that UEFA refused to give licence to Zemun and they can appeal in the next 10 days. So we have to wait and see. Isavevski (talk) 21:30, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Multiple Undo

Go onto the page history and compare the last good version with the latest 'bad' version. At the edit summaries on the top, if you click the undo on the right hand side all of the intermediate edits will be undone too. Hope it helps. Aheyfromhome (talk) 21:11, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

{{sent off}}

If a player is sent off with two bookings, it should be {{sent off|2|23|60}}. {{sent off|1|23|60}} is only for when a player is given a straight red after already having recieved a yellow. – PeeJay 19:43, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Re:Putting content other then scores into Template:fb r

Yeah, it also took me a while to figure out if any content could be put in there besides the scores. I'm glad there is such a way! By the way, thanks for updating the Russian Premier League 2008 article with these templates; I was planning to do it someday, but could never actually find enough time to figure them out =D  ARTYOM  13:00, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the Ligat ha'Al 2008-09 article, I would support transformation into fb r's. You are probably right on the talk page, stating that it's not as important to note when (in what matchday) a match was played; the scores would be enough. Regarding the uniformity of all season articles in that league - I'm sure all season league articles of each country have something particular in common, but it doesn't mean that they shouldn't be transformed. Fb r's are easy to use and, more importantly, are standard - I always support standardization!  ARTYOM  03:16, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Macedonian Prva Liga 2008-09

Hello Hockey-holic, Well about Turnovo, their name has always been Turnovo, Horizont is а betting company in Macedonia and starting this year it is the main sponsor of FK Turnovo so they changed their name to FK Horizont Turnovo similarly like Rabotnički changed their name to FK Rabotnički Kometal about 10 years ago (Kometal starting this year is the main sponsor of Vardar so Rabotnički changed their name back to FK Rabotnički). As for Bashikimi (Baškimi) the thing is that the chairmen of the team are ethnic Albanians and they prefer Latin alphabet so they prefer Bashkimi but if you translate the name from Cyrillic (Башкими) it would be Baškimi as the letter 'Ш' has a special character in Latin - 'Š' (SH is pronounced the same as Ш but in Cyrillic it would be СХ as our language is phonetic). I prefer Baškimi because it is still a Macedonian club but I leave it to you to decide. About the code with the round number I don't understand exactly what you mean. If you think it is better like that you can put it and I'll give you my opinion. Regards, Isavevski (talk) 15:21, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

How can I change rules for classification because head-to-head comes before goal-difference. Isavevski (talk) 18:37, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice

Hey Hockey-holic, I appreciate your advise a lot, and I've been a bit worried about that issue for some time now. Do you have any advice on what top-level European soccer leagues need a regular updater here on Wikipedia? Rougue1987 (talk) 23:19, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Reliable source for Montenegrin football

Hi, I'm Croatian myself and i don't really follow Montenegrin football, but I suppose you could use the Montenegrin FA First League page for results, once the season starts (currently it displays the 2007-08 season stats). The same goes for UEFA page on Montenegro. I couldn't find a site dedicated to football scores only that covers the Montenegrin league, but once the season starts you could also check out Montenegrin newpapers online for daily news (Republika, Vijesti). If I run into something more useful, I'll let you know, but this is the best i could do for now. Timbouctou (talk) 17:52, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

PL Fixtures

Lol, don't worry about it - like you said, it's complicated and I'd prefer not to be sued above all else. Besides, I know it's nothing personal! Cheers for the message though. :-) --El Pollo Diablo (Talk) 19:12, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Your quest to kahriman, bs.wiki

Hi. I´m not the one you asked, but i would like to explain you the different between those two city names. Istocno Sarajevo is the eastern part of the city, wich is under the control of serbian entity. In the case you use this name, your on the side of serbian, otherway your on the side of bosnian :-). I think, the best way is to use Sarajevo (Istocno Sarajevo) to recduce the moves :-) best regards Seha--194.24.158.8 (talk) 21:03, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Hättest gleich gesagt, dass man dir in deutsch schreiben kann :-) ist sehr heikles thema bezüglich des orts. Wie ich bereits oben schrieb, am besten du benutzt Sarajevo und in klammer Istocno Sarajevo, da ansonsten irgendwer beleidigt sein könnte und ein edit-war entsteht. Grüße aus Österreich Seha —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.24.158.8 (talk) 21:29, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not Kahriman either but as guy above I'll try to give you good answer. I agree with previous poster. Team was created in Sarajevo 80-90 years ago. During the war serbs started calling few suburbs 20km east of the city for "Serbian Sarajevo". Bosnian high-court has since then prohibited use of this name so the name was changed into "Eastern Sarajevo". During this time team which was inactive for around 40-50 years was recreated. It's base is in Sarajevo suburb "Lukavica" but this suburb is officially called "Eastern Sarajevo".

I don't think that anyone is going to mind as its supporters are using both names. I've seen use of "Slavija, Sarajevo", "Slavija, Istocno Sarajevo" and even "Slavija, Lukavica". Regards from bs wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.216.221.92 (talk) 21:50, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Ist schon ok, hab jetzt lachen müssen!Seha —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.24.158.8 (talk) 22:17, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Vote for UEFA Cup 2008-09 Goalscoring table

You said, "Moved my vote from 'Two Table' to this section in order to reach a decision." Right now, the "One table" votes have only 50% of the total vote total. There's no gaeuantee that this will decide concensus. Kingjeff (talk) 19:15, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I was just stating that 50% of the vote doesn't garuantee a decision. It just looked that way based on your comment by your vote. Kingjeff (talk) 20:07, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry. You're German. It's Okay. Even Germans are allowed to make the oddm istake. Kingjeff (talk) 20:33, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Please Help

Hello, I saw you set up faroe islands 2008 with a fb-template, which is very effective (nice job). I recently created a new article Ukrainian Premier League Reserves 2008-09 and tried to set up a fb-template, but it didn't work out for me. Can you please set one up for me in the article (you don't have to put correct standings, I will put them myself, but just if you can put the clubs in for me (they are in the template in the bottom of the article)?)? Thanks for your help and time, and I appreciate your contributions. --Shustfan (talk) 19:52, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks, I will try to do it when all the club articles are created.--Shustfan (talk) 20:37, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

NBC Salyan in Azerbaijan Premier League

Per your request, I added a line in team changes, with a cite, regarding NBC Salyan replacing FK Masallı in the Azerbaijan Premier League this season. I've also updated the appropriate template and the main League article. I've also created an article for the club itself and a club template. Yes, I've done no work recently! --Friejose (talk) 21:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

UEFA Cup

Seems the logical thing to do, yes. Probably should have done so myself. :) Sam Vimes | Address me 21:47, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Serbian Superliga

Yes, it says that Mladost Lučan retreat due to financial reasons and that Smederevo was a candidate to enter the Superliga but Banat had better support from its home town Zrenjanin. Isavevski (talk) 10:56, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Bashkimi withdrawal

I'll find a citation later and I would update live just today. I will refrain live updates from tomorrow. :) Isavevski (talk) 16:43, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Map of Ukraine

Nice map of Ukraine that you added in the 2008-09 season. Although your map is slightly different from the one I submitted for the Ukrainian Premier League I think both of us have to consider the dilemma of FC Kharkiv who are playing in the city of Sumy after leasing the Stadium there.

Also I'd like to know where the documentation is for {{location map start etc... This is a nice way to draw maps.

I also think that you need to change the "Map of Ukraine" - Footer, because it should be "Location of team in Ukraine this season."

And is it necessary for the top of the page indicator not to update until all the days games are played... Haven't you noticed how many updates are done for EC League and UEFA Cup games??? Do you really think that will stop folks editing? Usually one of our regular editors will go over the standings at the end of the day? Brudder Andrusha (talk) 15:56, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. It is the usual way I put maps into articles. :-)

Just a matter of curiosity. You didn't enter the latitude and longitude coordinates? Did you have a tool?

I used the latitude and longitude info given in the Wikipedia articles of the cities (which can be converted into decimals by just clicking on them, opening a GeoHack site in the process). If those are not available, I rely on good old Google Earth.

As for Kharkiv, I didn't know that they actually do not play in Kharkiv right until now. Nevertheless, I would leave the map as it is because it could lead to confusion.

Probably - But be prepared for a name change. Something which is frequent in YKPAIHA.

Really the stadium in Sumy is very nice and its about time the city had a club that was worthy of that stadium. The thing is teams have folded whenever they have tried to play there.

The documentation for the Location map templates can be found here. There is currently an improvement drive for those templates under way as well, executed by the team of the German Kartenwerkstatt. A list of updated maps can be found here.

As for the caption, I simply forgot to change it. You are correct, it should read something like "Locations of teams in the Ukrainian Premier League 2008-09.

Thanks for the doc info. I changed the caption as per your indication.

Finally, I put the "whole day edit" template on the top of the page since there were recent edits involving just one game of a day instead of all games. If you have some script working that automatically commits the updates, or people that do clean-up at the end of each day, the template can of course be removed.

We are in the midst of cleaning up the standings (historical) and I think that style has taken over alot instead of consistancy.

Keep up the good work! Hockey-holic (talk) 16:16, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Brudder Andrusha (talk) 20:21, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

fb match

To be honest, I find its use of show/hide to be gimmicky. I also think that it devotes too much attention to non-essential information, such as bookings and red cards, and its presentation is a bit tacky. – PeeJay 11:56, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Template:Whole Day Edit in Russian

Hello. In one of your recent edit summaries on Russian Premier League 2008 you were asking if anyone could create the {{Whole Day Edit}} template in Russian. I can do it, but will it be okay for an English Wikipedia article to have an informative template in Russian? I don't think I have seen informative templates like that in other languages here before. Do you think I should still go ahead and create it?  ARTYOM  03:54, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Belgian First Division 2008-09 results table

I noticed you ordered the table by alphabet, which makes it easier to look up a team. However, the table was ordered by last season's final standings, which causes the 'top' matches to be at the top left and the matches between lower teams to be on the bottom right. Also, the color associated with the results (blue = home win, white = draw and red = away win) then helps to easily notice a 'strange' result. To be more clear, the top teams should win against the lesser teams, so the top right of the table should be colored blue, while the top left should be colored red. Other colors mean 'unusual' results.

Personally I'm more in favor of sorting them as they were, based on the results of last year. By the way, noticed that also the list of clubs at the top is in that order and that the pages of the previous seasons also have this sorting... instead of the alphabetical one. --Pelotas^talk 15:31, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Re:Poli Iasi - Farul...

...was abandoned due to the failure of the floodlights. Still, seems like the ref didn't really follow the exact rules, so the match will most likely be played on another date. I've added the essential facts, the advice was much appreciated. Cheers. Skeri2007 (talk) 15:09, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Cup competitions

I was just wondering do you know if there's an user who creates and updates this seasons' national cup competitions or it's done by random users. I'm asking this because I noticed that half or more articles on this subject aren't created, although some of the cups are held only during one year (2008, 2009 etc.), like Kazakhstan or Iceland. Also there are created but poor pages that need updating (for example Romanian cup). I would have done some work but I don't know that much languages.--SonjiCeli (talk) 19:16, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I'm from Croatia and that sentence I wrote about Romanian cup was just an example of an article that is "not quite good". Thanks for advice.--SonjiCeli (talk) 22:20, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

UEFA Europa League

Hi, I noticed you've taken action on the name change of the UEFA Cup announced today, good work! This enquiry is actually about the fb-templates, which I have been getting to know this season, but haven't fully understood yet. I hope you can make this a bit clearer for me? What is actually the difference between "fb competition" and "fb round"? Is it so that the competition template isn't needed if a round is specified? Because earlier in the season the links from the league tables didn't work properly (didn't navigate to the round specified) since the link were missing a ndash instead of the hyphen. Which template should I change? I changed alot you know, and finally it worked, but I don't remember which edit that made the impact... =P

At last a suggestion: You've redirected Template:Fb round2 2009-10 UEFA Cup QR2 to Template:Fb round2 2009-10 UEL QR2, so now the links on all of the league tables using the first link will get here. Meaning we have to edit all the league tables! Wouldn't it be better to remove the redirect and insert the same code in both templates to reduce work? And start implementing only the new template next year?

I know this became alot of information at once, but focus on my suggestion first, then if you have time (and the will) you could help me understand the "fb-templates"... =) lil2mas (talk) 14:34, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Israel

Where can I find results for this year's Israel cup? Israel football federation page is too weird for me (not latinic, everything is from right to left) and some other sites (soccerway, RSSSF, kicker) haven't updated it yet. Or maybe I should just wait that these sites put it on?--SonjiCeli (talk) 22:02, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Cup articles

OK, I will try as hard as I can to write these remaining articles. I've found a source for the Lithuanian cup and I'll write it as soon as possible. The problem are official sites that are sometimes pretty lousy. They aren't updated (Slovakian site still lists last year's final as the last game) or they're not complete (Moldova). Anyway, the articles will be complete. I just wanted to ask you what about translating from the foreign Wikipedia? The Slovakian cup, for example, is fully written in Slovakian Wiki, but the usual sites (soccerway, kicker) don't have it in full amount. I know it's not the way Wikipedia works, but if it's the only option... Bye! SonjiCeli (talk) 13:09, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Only one more to go!!! Bulgarian Cup 2008-09 is the only cup still unwritten (except Andorra and Armenia, but those can wait). I've just written Georgian Cup 2008-09 but one result is missing and for some other I'm not sure if they're correct, so if you want to and have time could you check it somewhere? I'm sorry that I didn't help you with the Hungarian article, but I was busy with other articles.

Anyway, great job with all these articles, I really admire your patience and energy to do all that work. SonjiCeli (talk) 21:29, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Cups, task force

I've found 2nd leg results on Georgian football forum (?!) but the last result is still missing and I hope I will find it.

As for the task force, I will join if there are enough users to create one. I'm not sure about the time I could spend doing all that work, but I'll try to contribute as much as I can. I just wanted to ask you is the task force for this season only or it is for next seasons too?

Anyway, there is still a huge amount of work (just check out cups around October 29) but I believe we can do it, especially when some seasons are over (for example Russia, Sweden, Finland etc.) and our work becomes easier until March. Bye! SonjiCeli (talk) 12:39, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

UEL 2009-10 spots

I had a discussion through undos with MTC about this question, but I'm not really sure. And the subject is this: A Cup winner (therefore qualifying to UEL) wins the league and receives a spot in Champions league. Their place then receives Cup runners-up. But do they receive the exact same spot as the Cup winners or the place earned through their league? Please check out Faroe Islands situation for example. I believe they should receive the same spot but MTC says something about Motherwell last year that did not. Please help. SonjiCeli (talk) 20:45, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Rogue1987 started a discussion on this issue on the UEFA Europa League 2009–10 talk page, I have written my "statement" there... =) lil2mas (talk) 14:32, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I encourage you to write an e-mail since it is an unsolved problem (so far). I checked the discussion on UEL 2009-10 talk page and I agree with everything said. It is a logic explanation until the official facts from UEFA are known.

Talking about messengers and stuff, I don't use any of these. Although I believe that even in this situation there won't be any communication problems, I know that using messenger could make our lives easier. I will consider starting to use one of these and if I do, I'll contact you via e-mail (I couldn't find that link but it will probably appear). Anyway, anything you want to tell me, or anything that could help in organizing our updates and contributions (like who can update regularly which league etc.), you can post it on my talk page. Bye SonjiCeli (talk) 18:02, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

By the way, I forgot to ask you one question. Do you know what happened with Man Utd. - Fulham match in Premier League 2008–09? There are no information about match being postponed, but those teams still (actually for quite some time) have one match less than others. SonjiCeli (talk) 18:39, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

ties, cup winners

Hi, me again. I wanted to ask you two (unrelated) questions, just to satisfy curiosity. No.1: Two teams (in a league) have the same amount of points. Next tiebreakers are head-to-head (1st points, 2nd goal diff., 3rd goals scored). Does it matter if the match between them finished 0-0 or 5-5? No.2: The club secured UEFA spot for the next season (in this situation possible only via domestic cup). What happens if that team gets relegated at the end of that season? That almost happened to PSG in last year's Ligue 1 season, and even Valencia was in that danger for some time. Thanks, bye. SonjiCeli (talk) 18:38, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

UCL 2009-10

What about this guy Loveeuropeanfootball? Why is he doing all that changes and is it correct? Are the name changes really true? SonjiCeli (talk) 23:05, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Israel State Cup 2008-09

I just wanted to stop by and say that this article is (or will be) a problem if we don't do something about it. HonorTheKing (that has written the article) doesn't contribute anymore and Number 57 (that also speaks Hebrew AND is a regular contributor) doesn't seem to be interested in the cup. I tried (maybe successful, but I'm not sure) to add the last results and now it is a decent article (as far as it can be).

But the problem just begins because next rounds are missing and the number of teams competing in the next round doesn't match with the number of teams I counted. Anyway, I wanted to ask you if you want to could you find an editor that speaks Hebrew so he can update the results or could you find some English source? I searched the whole Google but couldn't find anything. It isn't completely outdated yet but a month from now it definitely will be so any help in this area would be absolutely necessary. Bye! SonjiCeli (talk) 22:50, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, I wasn't even aware of this Google application. It's pretty good and understandable enough. Bye! SonjiCeli (talk) 14:21, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay on updating the article, It's updates to last matches now and I'll update regularly so you don't have to worry about that article.
- HonorTheKing (talk) 16:28, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

JK Maag Tammeka/JK Tammeka

They just shorten their name, because their sponsor Maag refused to support them henceforward. GGib (talk) 18:14, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

OK and thx. Hockey-holic (talk) 18:25, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Goal differences, awarded matches

Hi, I'd like to ask you what about goal differences when the matches are awarded with some score (usually 2–0 or 3–0)? As I could see from the previous cases (like in this year's Lithuanian league, match between Atlantas and Žalgiris), goals were not counted in overall goal difference. However, in this last match (in Serbian Superliga 2008–09, between Rad and Čukarički) goals for Rad and against Čukarički were counted on soccerway.com (and you also counted them in the article). Can we have an agreement on this, just to avoid future confusion? Thanks, bye! SonjiCeli (talk) 12:56, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

top goalscorers

What should we (or could we) do with those leagues that list all scorers? That is, in my opinion, unnecessary and not very encyclopedic. Good example is Danish Superliga 2008-09, and I believe Serbian article also featured that. SonjiCeli (talk) 14:04, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Almost done

Hi,

I just wanted to stop by and inform you that there is only one cup article still unwritten, Armenian one. I found an announcement on fedandfut.com about Andorran Copa Constitució 2009 and wrote the article.

Anyway, congratulations to you and Rougue (and to other minor, but still notable contributors) for doing that huge amount of work to improve this season's football articles. Bye! SonjiCeli (talk) 10:33, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

fb cl match

Hey, I noticed you put the average goals in the table but I noticed that it only works with the 2pts system. Can you get it to work with the 3pts system. Thanks --MicroX 15:27, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

In 2004 and 2005 they used it in Peru. Then they changed it. Every year there is always some kind of change in the Peruvian league.

Sorry to bother you again, but I misunderstood what average goals is. I thought it was a points-per-game system. So you can undo my request on the template.--MicroX 17:59, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

templates

Could you please fix the 2009-10 Champions league templates according to the new name changes. I tried to redirect QR3 (Ch. and non-ch.) templates but it seems they don't work. Thanks, bye! SonjiCeli (talk) 11:01, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Serbia football map

Would you mind add a map for First League of FR Yugoslavia 1993-94. I am expanding the article. Matthew_hk tc 11:27, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I could do it if there would be a Location map base picture for the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia in its borders from 1992–2003. The current Serbia picture cannot be used, as Montenegro is not included, which would make a map factually incorrect for the time in question.

The first option to solve the problem would be to ask NordNordWest if he can create a picture, as he and a few other contributors are currently overhauling all Location map base pictures (see also here Template:De icon for Europe as an example). I have linked to the talk page of his German account since chances are a lot higher that he might respond more quickly there.

The second option would be that I try my lackluster Photoshop skills once more, but this is only an option if NordNordWest declines to do a picture. Furthermore, this option is not recommended, as results may significantly differ from NNWs work... :-D

In any case, could you drop a message if and how he responded? :-) Regards, Hockey-holic (talk) 12:36, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Then would you mind add the map for Serbian Superliga 2006-07. Matthew_hk tc 13:05, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Alright. The map will be added within the next 24 hours. --Soccer-holic (talk) 15:37, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

(De)linking dates

In league articles, should we link dates that come after Last updated: under results and standings tables (or any other date in the article)? I'm asking this because there was a broad consensus not to link them and now Rougue1987 started to link the dates again. Please inform me if there has been a change in point of view about this topic. Bye! SonjiCeli (talk) 19:11, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Copa Constitució 2009

Could you please (if you have time and will, of course) search for this year's Andorran cup results since fedandfut.com only displays forthcoming fixtures (that are also incomplete)? I believe two rounds have been played so far. Thanks, bye! SonjiCeli (talk) 14:11, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Serie A H2H Column

Didn't even think of adding the head-to-head column, good idea! And thanks for fixing the Chievo position too, I thought I had copy/pasted them up, didn't notice it hadn't stuck. --Snojoe (talk) 22:06, 24 January 2009 (UTC)