User talk:Probert

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Albanians

A user with a Swedish IP 213.100.205.149 has been adding unverifiable info on Albanians. Could you please have a word with him. REX 13:15, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

User:213.100.205.149 is identical with Swedish user sv:Användare:L'Houngan, a rabid Albanian nationalist, who also is the sock puppet master of User:Albanau and User:L'Houngan as well as sv:Användare:Albanau, sv:Användare:Arnauti, sv:Användare:Piana and sv:Användare:213.100.205.149. This troll is blocked indefinitely on Swedish Wikipedia. Probert 14:23, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

You may be interested in another troll. User:Theathenae a.k.a. User:Thrakiotis and possibly User:Chronographos and on the Swedish Wikipedia sv:Användare:Arvanítis, who has been banned for promoting Grekisk propaganda. You may wish to investigate this :-) REX 14:34, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Help!

user:Elephantus keeps editing my Rudjer Boskovic page without explaining his changes. No matter how many times I edit it back, he keeps adding the Croatian language in the text. I don't know what to do! HolyRomanEmperor 17:31, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

See the Rudjer Boskovic page and talk page, when you have time. HolyRomanEmperor 21:13, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

User:213.100.205.149 has deleted your ban notes... again. HolyRomanEmperor 21:50, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed that, but by now everyone knows that he is a rabid Albanian troll. He has been indefinitely banned on Swedish Wikipedia, but continues to operate through his many sock puppets. Probert 21:56, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes. What about Rudjer Boskovic? I don't see a reason to keep the Croatian language. Can you clarify this a bit? HolyRomanEmperor 20:50, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Me? Clarify? I'm on your side, remember... Probert 23:25, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

response from MATIA

I've talked with Albanau in mid-summer. I've also seen your concerns about him and the ip *.149 and I think that you should try an RFC. While I share some of your concerns (check Talk:Arvanites for my approach, though like everyone else you'll find this talk page very difficult to read, so if you want to try just focus on the top 40% of the talk page), I cannot help you and probably most admins can't help you either. While I understand what you are doing, most people will question your motives, so instead of informing people on their talk pages try something like an RFC. Good luck and take care. +MATIA ☎ 11:09, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Do try RFC. +MATIA ☎ 14:43, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

I am preparing the case. Don't you worry! Probert 15:39, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

I am afraid I have my own worries. Avoid the personal remarks, even if you could verify them on a RFC. Let those who examine the RFC to see what to do. +MATIA ☎ 16:36, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

What is your nationality? HolyRomanEmperor 16:14, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

That was not an insult... HolyRomanEmperor 16:29, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Wiki-Stalking

Probert, I'm concerned that while you are probably acting out of good faith, you are wiki-stalking Albanau. A casual glance at Special:Contributions/Probert reveals that all you have been doing lately is following Albanau around the wiki, calling him a troll and reverting every edit he makes. As far as I can see, he hasn't been trolling, vandalising or doing anything inappropriate. Give him a break. It doesn't make any difference what has happened on the Swedish Wikipedia. He is banned there, not here. He can do whatever he wants (within acceptable observance of Wikipedia policy) here. Please stop wiki-stalking him, because if he reports you, however bad he is, you will be blocked. It has happened to other users. Rex^(talk) 22:38, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

I am sorry to say this, but it is widely known that Albanau is a troll. For example he says that Francesco Crispi is from Albanian stock. This is not true, just a POV Albanian comment. And I noticed that you support him in this. Where are your sources? I am NOT wiki-stalking anyone, I am just on a mission to keep English Wikipedia NPOV. Probert 22:48, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

From User:Macedonian

I added comments on my talk page concerning your post. Please check them out. Also, I would like you to tell me more about User:Albanau, so I can make a clear judgement. Thanks, man. Macedonian^(talk) 02:55, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Crispi and the Arbëreshë

If you check the Website of the Associazione Culturale di Minoranza Linguistica Storica d'Italia you would find that it says: In Italia gli Arbëreshë hanno contribuito alla nascita dell'attuale contesto italiano con personaggi di rilievo, tra i quali : Papi Clemente XI e Clemente XII, Antonio Gramsci, Francesco Crispi, Girolamo De Rada, Masci, ecc. Of course I can't speak Italian, but I think that tha's clear enough. If it were an Albanian Website, one could assume that it is propaganda, but it is an Italian Website, and Italians are admitting that Crispi is Arbëreshë. What does that mean? Rex^(talk) 09:09, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

If you read carefully, you will understand that this "Italian" site is full of Arbëreshë and Albanian propaganda. Sorry, man! Probert 09:12, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

... and how would you define Arbëreshë and Albanian propaganda? Are you Italian? Rex^(talk) 09:19, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Have it your way! Turn English Wikipedia into an Albanian playground with ethnic lies all around. FYI, User:Albanau is permanently banned on Swedish Wikipedia. I do NOT want to fight, but he is a troll! I am merely stating the bare facts. Probert 10:20, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Not my way. I have known Albanau for months; he is not a troll. A POV-pusher maybe, but not a troll. Trolls always use talk pages. Albanau never uses them. Rex^(talk) 12:04, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

That's a strange definition of trolling. Why do you think he's eternally banned on Swedish Wikipedia? Well, he has been conducting several edit wars, abused innocent users och edited from open proxies. BTW, do not start an off topic debate, just give me solid proof that Crispi was Arbëreshë. Probert 12:19, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, a quick Yahoo! search in the .it domains reveals that the University of Rome and Local Government Agencies in Italy, have no problem saying that Crispi was Arbëreshë. It's incredible how far the vast Albanian Conspiracy goes, isn't it? Rex^(talk) 12:34, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes, lies of this magnitude have a tendency to spread... Probert 13:06, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

That's a load of bull and you know it! Why don't you just accept the fact that Crispi was Arbëreshë? It's true, and more importantly, according to Wikipedia policies Wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:Cite sources and Wikipedia:Reliable sources it we should say that Crispi was Arbëreshë. I'm no Albanian nationalist, I'm (in this case at least) interested in facts. Unless of course you believe that this Vast Albanian Conspiracy is of such magnitute, that it puts the alleged "Zionist Occupation Government" conspiracy theory in perspective and forces the University of Rome to promote Albanian propaganda. You asked for sources and I gave you sources. What more do you want? Rex^(talk) 14:20, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

May God Almighty bless you! Probert 16:38, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Hello Probert. I highly encourage to write that RFC you told me about. You might find interesting Talk:Arvanites or User:Matia.gr/Evidence (some of them are already parsed). +MATIA ☎ 12:44, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I am currently amassing information and evidence. I got an email stating that REX is one of Albanaus sock puppets. Probert 15:42, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

I am completly familiar with Albanau's rabid Greater Albanian nationalism; for this man hates everything that is not Albanian (among those things, me :( Albanau hates Serbia with all of his guts; and yet REX wrote on my talk page ...God bless Serbia.... HolyRomanEmperor 20:36, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

WARNING: I found another of Albanau's sockpuppets: User:86.128.155.79. He keeps creating them to vandilise my talk page :O HolyRomanEmperor 20:38, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

WARNING: I found another of Albanau's sockpuppets: User:86.128.155.79. He keeps creating them to vandilise my talk page :O HolyRomanEmperor 20:39, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

That rabid Albanian has many sock puppets, e.g. User:L'Houngan and User:213.100.205.149. Probert 21:02, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Um Probet, if you suspect sockpuppetry, why don't you report it to an administrator? Trolls should be gone from Wikipedia! Rex^(talk) 21:18, 1 November 2005 (UTC)