Talk:Sport in Ireland

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Where did you get the sources for GAA attendance figures?--Rollie 23:53, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

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I don't understand the distinction between native and non-native sports, why is rugby native and athletics non-native? What to do with greyhound racing, invented in the us, introduced here 6 years later, but clearly an evolution of hare coursing, which began in this country in 1858. It might be better to get rid of this distinction. Notjim 14:33, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I suppose the word traditional might make more sense... any other suggestions? CGorman 00:08, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Good idea, traditional is much better, you should think about moving athletics too.Notjim 10:37, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I've made that change... but im wondering should the sports be segregated at all - should they just be listed in overall popularity (e.g. Gaelic, soccer, hurling...) or should they be broken up as mainstream (gaelic, soccer) and other (swimming, squash...)? Feedback much appreciated. CGorman 16:03, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

How is rugby more traditional than soccer? They're both barracks games with no native history. We should either remove the divide or limit native games to those run by the GAA GreatGodOm 12:56, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

I think we should go with native games (i.e. GAA only) and other, perhaps together with a note on the emotional baggage that goes with the native/foreign games demarcation, such as Rule 42, etc. RMoloney 14:00, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Snooker

If anything the popularity of snooker has risen since Kendo's 1997 victory.An organistan called RIBSA has been set up and has been very popular.see Official Website.user:Fenian Swine

What is the correct name of the UK's Olympic team?

Is the UK's Olympic team "Great Britain" or "Great Britain and Northern Ireland"?

see Cfd discussion: Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Great_Britain_at_the_Olympics_to_Category:Great_Britain_and_Northern_Ireland_at_the_Olympics --Mais oui! 22:14, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

What is that sport? (Road Bowling)

It's played in rural areas alng roads an lanes. Men (mostly) thrw a steel ball and the idea is to cover a distance in the least number of throws? Albatross2147 07:36, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

It's called Road Bowling, or Road Bowls (and in some connaught areas as "Bullets"). It is quite an uncommon sport, but has some popularity in Munster (particularly in Cork and Limerick) and also in discrete parts of NI, incl. Armagh and Tyrone. It has some official organisation through Bol Chumann na hEireann. See: Irish Road Bowling

Also see: [1], or [2]

Someone with more interest or association with the sport may want t consider: (A) improving the Irish Road Bowling article, and (B) adding a quick reference to this Sport in Ireland article. Guliolopez 16:59, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Have wikified the Irish Road Bowling article. Now request some input for concencus. Is Road Bowling "main-stream" enough to warrant inclusion as a "Traditional Sport" within this article? Or (as a sport with only regional interest) should it be a subset of some other section? Any opinions? Guliolopez 17:49, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the info. I would think that some of the sports in the article are quite minor and played really only in the Dublin area by expats <must avoid bad pun here> whereas apparently Road Bowling is quite widespead and at least notable in its uniqueness and historic interest. For example Trugo is a very minor sport but it is listed in the Australian sports list without being the subject of dissection as to popularity etc. Or to put it another way it is probable that there are more players per capita of IRB in Ireland than Trugo in Australia.Albatross2147 06:07, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Irish Rock Climbing

To quote Ernest Hemingway: "There are only three real sports: bull-fighting, car racing and mountain climbing. All the others are mere games." So how come no Irish Rock Climbing??? Dalkey quarry has looong been a center for irish alpine training, and mor recently, has produced some excellent, world class boulderers. Will get me books together and start this sometime tomorrow - any comments? Smitz 11:43, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Soccer

I have moved the association football section from "Other sports" to traditional sports, on the grounds that it a) dates back at least as far as Rugby Union, with the Irish FA being founded in 1885. b) is one of the most popular sports played in Ireland beano 13:48, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Cricket

Should this not be a traditional sport? It is thought to have derived from an Irish game and Michael Cusack very nearly made it into a GAA sport. After the GAA rejected it as "foreign" it declined severely. EamonnPKeane 21:02, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

WP:Weasel

Thier is far to much is weasel talk here , i'm too close to the GAA to be WP:NPOV but someone needs to have a look (Gnevin 11:30, 26 March 2007 (UTC))

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BetacommandBot (talk) 20:02, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

School Rugby

Currently the article say:

Notable rugby union schools include Belvedere College, Blackrock College, Rockwell College, Clongowes Wood College, Terenure College, PBC Cork and CBC Cork in the south and the Royal Belfast Academical Institution and Methodist College Belfast in the north.

The sentence should be re-written based on the articles Connacht Schools Senior Cup, Leinster Schools Senior Cup, Munster Schools Senior Cup, Ulster Schools Senior Cup and using a source like School Of Hard Knocks and/or a list of schools which have old-boys who have gone on to play for the national team. --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 11:57, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

There should be more about schools rugby but I wonder if this is the right page? Perhaps Irish Rugby Football Union or Rugby union in Ireland or Irish rugby union system? Or maybe there should be a page Schools Rugby in Ireland? Peter Clarke (talk) 12:08, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Association Football

Why is it that soccer is broken up into ROI and N. Ireland, when rugby union is all-Ireland? I don't understand. It appears that rugby union is more popular, so it would appear the political/sectarian/nationalist tensions would cause more strife about the more popular sport. What am I missing? -- Grant.Alpaugh 07:01, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Taking off my wiki cap for a minute and giving my opinion ,soccer in more popular the rugby in a few ways notablity participation levels. As for why soccer is broken up into 2 bodies well that hard to say but some of the factors that might of had an effect was they fact that soccer was administered from outside the free state where as Rugby was in Dublin, Rugby already had a north -south divide and merged , they difference in social classes supporting and organising Rugby Gnevin (talk) 07:12, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Old Firm

Moving to talk. My revert to the edit which reads "Celtic and Rangers, whose Old Firm derby has been influenced by the often sectarian nature of Northern Irish politics" was based on the fact that:

1. This is really "Sport in Scotland", not in Ireland. And
2. This wording suggests that the partisan structures of Old Firm rivalries has it's BASIS in "Northern Irish politics". Which it doesn't. It has it's basis in SCOTTISH history and politics. It has parallels to NI politics (which communities and the "90 minute biggots" have highlighted through association in the last 50 years). But it's not caused by NI politics. As the wording suggests.

The "Old firm rivalries" are mainly based on sectarian tensions in Glasgow itself, going back to the late 19th century. (A little before the "Troubles" in NI of the last 60 years). Celtic was formed as a club to give an outlet to poor Catholic families - at a time when the city of Glasgow had the same issues as other places in Britain where Catholic dis-enfranchisement was still largely un-resolved by the Catholic Emancipation acts from 50 years earlier. (Legislation is one thing. Change is another). The "rivalries" between Celtic and Rangers subsequently built up because of differences in community, class and political outlook. In the SAME WAY, but INDEPENDENT OF, similar problems in Ireland. It wasn't until the latter half of the 20th century (80+ years later) that PARALLELS in the situation were highlighted as certain communities and individuals looked to the football terraces as a way of galvanising their community or political outlook. In the same way that the skin heads do in Poland today, and groups of other political persuasions do all over the world. There is a VERY big difference to be drawn here between cause and effect. And the current wording is too casual about this. And - frankly - isn't appropriate in an article at this level. If you want to focus this connection, consider doing so at Sectarianism in Glasgow, Old Firm, or any number of related articles. (Frankly, it seems a little strange that the editor who added this sentence - not 5 minutes ago you - claimed ignorance of the complexities of politics in football in Ireland, and then stuck in an "interpretation" of it.) Guliolopez (talk) 17:37, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Politics of Sport in Ireland

I think there should be a section on the politics of sport in Ireland particularly on the cross-border issue as some sports are organised on an All-Ireland basis (incl Gaelic Games Hurling & Football and "Garrison Games" such as Rugby & Cricket) while Athletics and Soccer have seperate bodies for the Republic & Northern Ireland. This has also led to anomalies in an Olympic context with sports men & women representing Ireland under their sports rules but the UK under Olympic rules and vice versa. --Gramscis cousin (talk) 08:44, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Largest participation sport in Ireland?

This article (citing the FAI homepage) says soccer. However, this morning's Irish Times, citing the latest ESRI report, says 'Gaelic football and hurling remain the leading sports for social participation.' See: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2009/0218/1224241332556.html 86.42.117.220 (talk) 05:18, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

That's out of context the ESRI report states "Soccer is by far the most popular team sport, but ranks poorly among women relative to other sports Combining volunteering, membership and attendance, Gaelic games remain the leading sports for social participation, but there are now more gym members than GAA members" Dkin (talk) 15:13, 18 February 2009 (UTC)