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* '''[[:KRANKY]] → {{noredirect|Laurence Shanet}}''' — Should be listed either at his name [[Laurence Shanet]] (with redir [[Larry Shanet]]), or maybe at [[Kranky (director)]], but not as ALL-CAPS spam. — {{#ifeq:{{{sig}}}|no||[[Special:Contributions/62.147.39.143|62.147.39.143]] ([[User talk:62.147.39.143|talk]]) 15:15, 21 February 2009 (UTC)}} |
* '''[[:KRANKY]] → {{noredirect|Laurence Shanet}}''' — Should be listed either at his name [[Laurence Shanet]] (with redir [[Larry Shanet]]), or maybe at [[Kranky (director)]], but not as ALL-CAPS spam. — {{#ifeq:{{{sig}}}|no||[[Special:Contributions/62.147.39.143|62.147.39.143]] ([[User talk:62.147.39.143|talk]]) 15:15, 21 February 2009 (UTC)}} |
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* '''[[:Organic farming]] → {{noredirect|Organic |
* '''[[:Organic farming]] → {{noredirect|Organic Agriculture}}''' — Consistent with general article [[Agriculture]], [[Farming]] redirects to it. — {{#ifeq:{{{sig}}}|no||[[User:Truetom|Truetom]] ([[User talk:Truetom|talk]]) 18:13, 21 February 2009 (UTC)}} |
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==Incomplete and contested proposals== |
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Requested moves is a process for requesting the retitling (moving) of an article, template, or project page on Wikipedia. For information on retitling files, categories, and other items, see § When not to use this page.
Before moving a page or requesting a move, please review the article titling policy and the guidelines on primary topics.
Any autoconfirmed user can move a page using the "Move" option in the editing toolbar; see how to move a page for more information. If you have no reason to expect a dispute concerning a move, be bold and move the page. However, it may not always be possible or desirable to do this:
- Technical reasons may prevent a move; for example, a page may already exist at the target title and require deletion, or the page may be protected from moves. In such cases, see § Requesting technical moves.
- Requests to revert recent, undiscussed, controversial moves may be made at WP:RM/TR. If the new name has not become the stable title, the undiscussed move will be reverted. If the new name has become the stable title, a requested move will be needed to determine the article's proper location.
- A title may be disputed, and discussion may be necessary to reach consensus: see § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves. The requested moves process is not mandatory, and sometimes an informal discussion at the article's talk page can help reach consensus.
- A page should not be moved and a new move discussion should not be opened when there is already an open move request on a talk page. Instead, please participate in the open discussion.
- Unregistered and new (not yet autoconfirmed) users are unable to move pages.
Requests are typically processed after seven days. If consensus supports the move at or after this time, a reviewer will perform it. If there is a consensus not to move the page, the request will be closed as "not moved." When consensus remains unclear, the request may be relisted to allow more time, or closed as "no consensus". See Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions for more details on the process.
Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a move request as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of the move discussion to determine whether or not the contested close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines.
When not to use this page
Separate processes exist for moving certain types of pages, and for changes other than page moves:
- Making an uncontroversial move – if you can, be bold and do it yourself! If you can't, see § Requesting technical moves.
- Renaming a category – propose the move at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion.
- Renaming a stub template – propose the move at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion.
- Renaming an image or other file – see Wikipedia:Moving a page § Moving a file page.
- Moves from draft namespace or user space to article space – Unconfirmed users: add
{{subst:submit}}
to the top of the article. See Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Confirmed users: Move the page yourself. - Merging two articles – make a request at Wikipedia:Proposed mergers, or be bold and do it yourself.
- Splitting an article – make a request at Wikipedia:Proposed article splits, or be bold and do it yourself.
- Requesting that page histories be merged – list them at Wikipedia:Requests for history merge.
- Contesting a move request close – use the Wikipedia:Move review process.
Undiscussed moves
Autoconfirmed editors may move a page without discussion if all of the following apply:
- No article exists at the new target title;
- There has been no previous discussion about the title of the page that expressed any objection to a new title; and
- It seems unlikely that anyone would reasonably disagree with the move.
If you disagree with a prior bold move, and the new title has not been in place for a long time, you may revert the move yourself. If you cannot revert the move for technical reasons, then you may request a technical move.
Move wars are disruptive, so if you make a bold move and it is reverted, do not make the move again. Instead, follow the procedures laid out in § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves.
Uncontroversial requests
Only list proposals here that are clearly uncontroversial but require administrator help to complete (for example, spelling and capitalization fixes). Do not list a proposed page move in this section if there is any reasonable possibility that it could be opposed by anyone. Please list new requests at the bottom of the list in this section and use {{subst:RMassist|Old page name|Requested name|Reason for move}} rather than copying previous entries. The template will automatically include your signature. No edits to the article's talk page are required. If you object to a proposal listed here, please relist it in the #Incomplete and contested proposals section below.
- Michael Morgan (Rower) → Michael Morgan (rower) — over redirect to correct capitalization — Tassedethe (talk) 15:07, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
- KRANKY → Laurence Shanet — Should be listed either at his name Laurence Shanet (with redir Larry Shanet), or maybe at Kranky (director), but not as ALL-CAPS spam. — 62.147.39.143 (talk) 15:15, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
- Organic farming → Organic Agriculture — Consistent with general article Agriculture, Farming redirects to it. — Truetom (talk) 18:13, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
Incomplete and contested proposals
With the exception of a brief description of the problem or objection to the move proposal, please do not discuss move proposals here. If you support an incomplete or contested move proposal, please consider following the instructions above to complete the proposal, and move it to the "Other Proposals" section below under the current date. Proposals that remain incomplete after five days will be removed.
Other proposals
Please use the correct template; see the instructions above. Do not attempt to copy and paste formatting from another listing. |
- Immunostimulator → Immunostimulant —(Discuss)— "Immunostimulant" is the name used by ATC (see ATC code L03, [1]). It is also the far more common name (as per Google: 8,900 vs 90,500). --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 16:33, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
- History of the molecule → History of molecular theory —(Discuss)— This title should be renamed "History of molecular theory". Logically speaking, the "history of the molecule" stretches back to the beginnings of the Universe! And anyone who feels the new title would be "overcomplicated" should not bother trying to understand the article's content. --Kurzon (talk) 04:36, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
- Consensus is that the page should be moved, but the destination is not clear. More input is needed. Parsecboy (talk) 15:27, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
- 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict → Gaza war —(Discuss)— As per the last RM discussion, there was clear consensus that a name change was needed, and there was rough consensus on "war". I have removed the "Israel", because that divided the !votes. I hope people will understand that this article needs renaming, even if Gaza war proves "temporary" it should beats the "temporary" one we have now. --Cerejota (talk) 11:53, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
- Ahmet Ertegün → Ahmet Ertegun —(Discuss)— Ahmet and his brother Nesuhi were Americans notable only for their actions in the USA and are almost always known as Ertegun (without the "ü") in English. --— AjaxSmack 03:56, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
- Nesuhi Ertegün → Nesuhi Ertegun
- Ahmet Ertegün Tribute Concert → Ahmet Ertegun Tribute Concert (See also concert logo on article page)
- Ertegün brothers → Ertegun brothers
- Toronto Nationals (MLL) → Toronto Nationals —(Discuss)— The lacrosse team is a current professional team while the hockey teams are defunct junior teams from the 70s. --Yarnalgo talk to me 22:22, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
- Maté Csák → Matthew Csák —(Discuss)— English language name should be preferred when used by a reasonable amount of English-language sources --PeterRet (talk) 19:18, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
- I disagree. "Máté Csák" (the correct spelling of the name, NOT Maté) gets considerably more English hits both on Google Books and Google Scholar than the "Matthew Csák" version. Squash Racket (talk) 06:56, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
- Invisible theater → Invisible theatre — (Discuss) — Most-common spelling for article titles. — DionysosProteus (talk) 15:48, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
- Elections in the Republic of Ireland → Elections in Ireland —(Discuss Note: Very long)— Revert contentious page move, done without discussion while an ArbCom intervention is in progress - very inappropriate. Also creation of dab page at Elections in Ireland prevents page being simply moved back. Can an admin please revert until the work at WP:IECOLL has completed, and the editor to agree to cease from any premption of this workgroup. --HighKing (talk) 14:51, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
- This is not actually a move request but a request to revert a premature move made while the topic is under discussion. 199.125.109.126 (talk) 16:02, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
- Move-back Done. An ArbCom intervention is in progress. See the discuss link. The move now being discussed is Elections in Ireland → Elections in the Republic of Ireland. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 17:17, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
- Mobile ad hoc networks (MANET) → Mobile ad hoc network —(Discuss)— Prefer singular over plural; remove abbreviation from title. --PamD (talk) 17:03, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
- Université Saint-Joseph → Saint Joseph University —(Discuss)— WikiProject Universities' Article Guidelines and naming conventions suggest that article titles should be in English. Université Saint-Joseph's English Website says their English name is "Saint Joseph University" so a change makes sense. I propose that the Saint Joseph University article will no longer redirect to Saint Joseph's University but will link to it at the top of the article. --Noetic Sage 05:49, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
- Abduction phenomenon → Alien abduction —(Discuss)— These collections of stories are not universally agreed by all sources to be phenomenological. Some "alien abduction" stories are akin to ghost stories or mythology and are not subject to phenomenological study. Also "abduction phenomenon" is ambiguous since it might be referring to any number of situations where real, actual abductions became rampant (such as in unstable politcal environments or the moral panic that surrounded stranger danger in the 1980s USA. The obvious title for this topic is "alien abduction". Please move it to it's natural home. --ScienceApologist (talk) 04:15, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
- Wargaming → Wargame —(Discuss)— "Wargaming" describes a series of actions involving and object; I think an article about the object itself is better warranted. --SharkD (talk) 00:45, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
- All Summer Long → All Summer Long (album) —(Discuss)— We all know Kid Rock's famous song All Summer Long. But most people do not know this Beach Boys album. When a reader types in "All Summer Long", they want Kid Rock, not some Beach Boys album from 1964. That's why 'd propose to move this article to All Summer Long (album) and furthermore move All Summer Long (Kid Rock song) to the main title All Summer Long --The Evil IP address (talk) 19:24, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
- This is a completely unnecessary move - All Summer Long has an appropriate hatnote pointing to All Summer Long (Kid Rock song), so its just one extra click to get to the Kid Rock song. – ukexpat (talk) 20:01, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
- Pauline García-Viardot → Pauline Viardot-Garcia —(Discuss)— It was moved to its current name some time back, without explanation or rationale. The current version is seen in some references, but authoritative references have Viardot-Garcia. The accented i in Garcia was dropped from the family name. Evidence is spelled out in more detail on the talk page @ "Requested move to Pauline Viardot-Garcia" --JackofOz (talk) 14:10, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
- Brotherhood (2006 TV series) → Brotherhood (TV series) — (Discuss) — The move was proposed on talk page for months; no disagreement. First, the current title is inaccurate; as the series is still active and has had three full seasons (2006-08). there is a Brotherhood (2002 TV series), but that simply redirects to Brotherhood (Singapore TV series). That series aired in Singapore, but that article is less than a full paragraph, and does not have an alternative version (i.e. Mandarin) - which shows that it does not have nearly the notability of this show, and makes it appropriate for this 3-season network program to occupy the "Brotherhood (TV Series)" title. A simple notation of 'For the 2002 Chinese TV series, see Brotherhood (2002 TV series) at the top of the moved page would eliminate any confusion, without the need for a disambiguation page. — Riphamilton (talk) 04:10, 19 February 2009 (UTC) Riphamilton (talk) 04:10, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
- List of Pokémon episodes (season 1) — (Discuss) —
- List of Pokémon episodes (season 2) — (Discuss) —
- Would like to move them to:
- List of Pokémon: Indigo League episodes
- List of Pokémon: Adventures on The Orange Islands episodes
- Reason: I'd like to move them to match the other seasons of Pokemon episodes. Example: List of Pokemon: The Johto Journeys episodes and all the others are the same as The Johto Journeys, but season 1 (Indigo League) and season 2 (Orange Islands) are not like that (they are like "List of Pokemon episodes (season 1/2)), so I'd like to move them so they match how the other List of Pokemon episodes articles are.
- Permission granted? PhilKnight is the the administrator who informed me to post here. - Eugene Krabs (talk) 23:04, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- Relisting, needs more input. Parsecboy (talk) 01:33, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
- Red Dragon (novel) → Red Dragon —(Discuss)— opening discussion to decide if the novel is the primary topic or whether the disambiguation page should be moved --Tassedethe (talk) 15:47, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
- Relisting, needs more input. Parsecboy (talk) 01:17, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
- The Voyage of Bran → Immram Brain —(Discuss)— I'd suggest moving the Irish tale to its proper title Immram Brain (now a redirect with a history), which is after all how the text is usually referred to in scholarly literature. Encyclopedias like Celtic Culture (ed. John T. Koch) also favour the Irish title, whether Immram Brain or Immram Brain maic Febail. For a similar discussion and further reasons, see Talk:Togail Bruidne Dá Derga. --Cavila (talk) 10:01, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
- Relisting to garner more inpurt in order to determine consensus. Parsecboy (talk) 00:53, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
- New Writings in SF 1 → New Writings in SF (series) — (Discuss)— Book series that are not notable enough to have 22 separate articles. --Padillah (talk) 20:21, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
- My Father Is a Hero → My Father is a Hero — (Discuss) — Correct capitalisation — Gram123 (talk) 11:14, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
- per WP:CAPS, verbs are capitalised, even when they only have two letters (is is part of the verb to be). 12:32, 18 February 2009 User:Rogerb67
- Fine, cancel request. Thanks. Gram123 (talk) 03:58, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
- per WP:CAPS, verbs are capitalised, even when they only have two letters (is is part of the verb to be). 12:32, 18 February 2009 User:Rogerb67
- 1 Pro Wrestling → One Pro Wrestling —(Discuss)— While the official abbreviation is "1PW", even the promotion itself uses the word "one" when using the full name. --TJ Spyke 23:12, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
- Ramsor → Ramshorn —(Discuss)— The article should be called Ramshorn, as it is the usual name of the village and the official name of the civil parish (although there does appear to be a chapel called Ramsor Chapel). --—Snigbrook 21:41, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
- Safety (American football) → Safety (football position) —(Discuss)— (American football) is unclear and inaccurate. This article discusses the football position in all codes of football that have a safety position and could be confused with the article for Safety (football score) or the issue of injury in football play. --DoubleBlue (talk) 18:55, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
- How many other type of football have a "safety" position? Certainly soccer, rugby union and rugby league do not. – ukexpat (talk) 19:10, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
- Penelope seal → Tagging Of Pacific Predators (TOPP) —(Discuss)— Article about a single animal in the program with borderline notability. Program itself has coverage but has no article, suggested wider scope article could cover this and other specific animals in a dedicated section. --Mfield (talk) 18:07, 18 February 2009 (UTC) Mfield (talk) 18:07, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
- Conium → Conium maculatum —(Discuss)— The article is almost entirely about this species, not about the genus. --Richard New Forest (talk) 10:23, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
- ASW carrier → Anti-submarine warfare carrier —(Discuss)— Acronyms shoudl only be used if the subject is known almost exclusivly by that name --Pattont/c 23:22, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
- Dirk Kuyt → Dirk Kuijt —(Discuss)— Native Dutch name, or common English spelling? For once, this isn't about diacritics! ----Ged UK (talk) 21:32, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
- Ana Ivanović → Ana Ivanovic —(Discuss)— The common rendering of the name, per hundreds of media sources, the subject's official website, and official tennis organizations, is "Ivanovic." --Yano (talk) 21:16, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
- Maradona by Kusturica → Maradona (film) —(Discuss)— The name of the film is just Maradona, and there is no other film with that name. --Vanjagenije (talk) 21:06, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
- Bernard of Gothia, Count of Barcelona → Bernard of Gothia —(Discuss)— All the other early counts of Barcelona known by epithets (like Bernard of Septimania and Berengar the Wise) do not have the ", Count of Barcelona" disambiguator. It just makes the title unnecessarily long. --Srnec (talk) 04:54, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
- Lady GaGa → Lady Gaga —(Discuss)— Her record label interscope says it is spelt Gaga NOT GaGa , Source-www.interscope.com/ladygaga --Dance-pop (talk) 04:17, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
- Tú y Yo → Tú y yo — (Discuss) — According to Royal Spanish Academy's official spelling rules, only the first word goes with upper case in every title. --El Mexicano (talk) 21:34, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
- Al-Khalid tank → Al-Khalid — (Discuss) — Over redirect with history "tank" is an unnecessary qualifier as there is nothing else called "Al-Khalid" — Pattont/c 12:50, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
- Jackson's theorem (queueing theory) → Jackson's theorem —(Discuss)— Jackson's theorem and Jackson's inequality are distinct names for the two pages --Gareth Jones (talk) 15:06, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
- Antônio Carlos Jobim → Antonio Carlos Jobim —(Discuss)— The correct spelling of the name is without the accent. That's how Jobim himself wrote it. --Jafeluv (talk) 13:22, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
- Memorial Chapel → ** —(Discuss)— I don't know what the proper name should be, but "Memorial Chapel" simply is not specific enough in English, this could be thousands of places without an event or geographic qualifier --Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 09:35, 16 February 2009 (UTC) Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 09:35, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
- Added place for discussion. 199.125.109.99 (talk) 16:09, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
- Formula One (video game series) → ? —(Discuss)— There are many F1 video game series, this is but one, some other name should be used, and this name should redirect to the dab page Formula One (game) --76.66.196.229 (talk) 07:19, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
- Four Thirds System → Four Thirds system —(Discuss)— Wrong case: system is not part of the proper name. --Dicklyon (talk) 05:56, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
- Battle of Rivas → Second Battle of Rivas —(Discuss)— There is a First Battle of Rivas article, and this was the second battle in Rivas that occurred during William Walker's time there. --McMuff (talk) 02:55, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
- Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father → Zachary Turner —(Discuss)— current article reads like an ad for a movie, raising WP:NPOV problems --JohnClarknew JohnClarknew (talk) 00:58, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
- Edward Wortley Montagu (Lord Commissioner of the Treasury) → Sir Edward Wortley Montagu —(Discuss)— restore natural and customary disambiguation; this was moved to the parenthetical disambiguation by a single editor without discussion. --Septentrionalis PMAnderson 00:07, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
- Shlom bayit → Shalom bayit —(Discuss)— Request consensus to change article name to the more recognizable and common spelling among English speakers --Yoninah (talk) 00:00, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Backlog
Move dated sections here after five days have passed (January 1 or older).
- Helmuth James Graf von Moltke → Helmuth James von Moltke —(Discuss)— "Graf" is a title, not part of the person's name. User:HopsonRoad 23:56, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
- Mafia → Sicilian Mafia —(Discuss)— Too many organisations, including the Italian government, refer to other Italian OCGs as "the Mafia". When Italians want to refer to the Sicilian Mafia specifically, they say "Cosa Nostra" or "the Sicilian Mafia". This article's contents should be moved to "Sicilian Mafia". The "Mafia" article should become instead a disambiguation page that lists all the major Italian OCGs. --Kurzon (talk) 15:57, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
- Zabranjena Ljubav → Zabranjena ljubav —(Discuss)— Original title is lowercase and should be retained per naming conventions. --GregorB (talk) 14:36, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
- Sir George Hayes → George Hayes (judge) — (Discuss)— as per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles)#British peerage #5."Titles of Knighthood", stand-alone salutations/honorifics and knighthoods, as well as military ranks, academic and governmental titles, etc., are not utilized in Wikipedia main title headers. The parenthetical qualifier "(judge)" seems the most reasonable substitute as a disambiguator from all the other individuals named George Hayes who have Wikipedia biographical entries. —Roman Spinner (talk) 09:11, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
- Bosnian-Herzegovinian American → Bosnian American —(Discuss)— per WP:COMMONNAME --PRODUCER (talk) 17:16, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
- Supermini car → Supermini —(Discuss)— (a.) There are only two articles on the disambiguation page, so a "For X see Y" link could be used on primary page. (b.) According to http://stats.grok.se, the auto page receives 7500 hits/month, while the computer page receives 1500 hits/month so auto page is much more popular. (c.) "Supermini car" is not correct term. Do Google search and "supermini" by itself is the way it is most normally written. --Chryslerforever1988 (talk) 17:03, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
- Spud gun (cannon) → Spud gun — (Discuss) — parentheses not needed for disambiguation, and are confusing. spud gun and spud cannon already redirect to this page, so no need for a parenthetical article title — DudeFromWork (talk) 03:12, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
- Continental Connection Flight 3407 → Colgan Air Flight 3407 —(Discuss)— to improve accuracy, despite the media's reports, this flight is officially recognized as Colgan Air Flight 3407 by the FAA --CorSter (talk) 01:17, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
- True Family → Family of Sun Myung Moon —(Discuss)— The original title is used only by members of Moon's church. The new one would be more universal and more neutral. --Redddogg (talk) 14:54, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- South's Oldest Rivalry (UNC-Virginia) → South's Oldest Rivalry —(Discuss)— This is the proper name of this game. There is no other game by this title as the disambiguation lists the Deep South's Oldest Rivalry and the I-64 Bowl. The disambiguation page could remain but should be South's Oldest Rivalry (disambiguation). The "Deep South's Oldest Rivalry" goes by that exact title, with the "Deep" in it. The other game promoted as the "South's Oldest Rivalry" here is not given that proper name by any media but in a single reference in promotional materials of one of the schools actually participating in the game. Probably 99% or more of media mentions of "South's Oldest Rivalry" without "Deep" in it refer to one game only, the others are relatively obscure. Wise (talk) 17:09, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- Rachelle Lefèvre → Rachelle Lefevre —(Discuss)— The surname Lefèvre, rather than Lefevre, is not supported by the vast majority of references for this person. The article title should show what is verifiable in reliable sources per WP:BLP --dissolvetalk 09:59, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- Morning Musume Tanjō 10 Nen Kinentai → Morning Musume Tanjō 10nen Kinentai —(Discuss)— The "nen" (Kanji: 年) here is used as a counter for years, and not as a noun; thus, shouldn't be capitalized and be attached with the number 10. --Eugh jei (talk) 13:51, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- Evelyn Stuart → Lord Evelyn Stuart — (Discuss) — Commonly known as Lord Evelyn Stuart. This was also the former name of the article — Tryde (talk) 17:40, 9 February 2009 (UTC)