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:I believe the site in question (Focus.nps.gov) identifies the documents in question as "public domain" very clearly. At least, that's what gave me the impression I was free to use the images. The site is down for me too, but see this mirror: [http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:bR1wQ1_mxqwJ:nrhp.focus.nps.gov/natreghome.do%3Fhomesearch%3Dtrue%26term1%3DMarshall,%2520John%2520House%26termAttribute1%3DUse.Title%26selectedCollections%3DNPS%2520Digital%2520Library%26goToFull%3Dtrue+NRHP+public+domain&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us]. If the site identifies the content as public domain... I mean, maybe it's more an issue for their legal department than us. They're telling the world this stuff is public domain, I think when you submit these documents for review in the NRHP process you agree to release them into the public domain. --[[User:Miss Communication|Miss Communication]] ([[User talk:Miss Communication|talk]]) 14:18, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:I believe the site in question (Focus.nps.gov) identifies the documents in question as "public domain" very clearly. At least, that's what gave me the impression I was free to use the images. The site is down for me too, but see this mirror: [http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:bR1wQ1_mxqwJ:nrhp.focus.nps.gov/natreghome.do%3Fhomesearch%3Dtrue%26term1%3DMarshall,%2520John%2520House%26termAttribute1%3DUse.Title%26selectedCollections%3DNPS%2520Digital%2520Library%26goToFull%3Dtrue+NRHP+public+domain&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us]. If the site identifies the content as public domain... I mean, maybe it's more an issue for their legal department than us. They're telling the world this stuff is public domain, I think when you submit these documents for review in the NRHP process you agree to release them into the public domain. --[[User:Miss Communication|Miss Communication]] ([[User talk:Miss Communication|talk]]) 14:18, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:Well now it seems to be up and indicating the publication as "Public domain" when I search for this place (it's listed under a search for 'winkworth'). [http://nrhp.focus.nps.gov/natreghome.do?searchtype=natreghome] If this really isn't public domain... the NPS itself needs to clarify it isn't, because their database is listing it as public domain documents. --[[User:Miss Communication|Miss Communication]] ([[User talk:Miss Communication|talk]]) 20:29, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

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I posted at this article's DYK nomination that I perceive issues here. To repeat and expand on what i stated there, it appears possible to me that the photos are not public domain, so there could be copyvio issue on the photos. The photos are downloaded from the PDF Focus website, a Federal, National Park Service website, but as noted at Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places#some but not all National Park Service photos are public domain, the NPS is very clear that not all photos that it posts are PD. If the listed photographer Mary Jean Kinsman is not a Federal employee then the photos are most likely not PD. However, I don't see the photo credits in the Federal source which must identify Kinsman, so I am missing something needed in evaluating this situation. Also, I believe that it's possible that the text of the article includes some text copied from the NRHP nomination form, which also is probably not PD. I am happy to watch here and to try to assist in identifying what is proper here, and I hope I would then be able to withdraw my objection at DYK.

Towards clarifying, for one thing could the editor(s) developing this article provide the exact URL providing info about who took the photographs? doncram (talk) 04:41, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately right now, the general search screen at PDF focus, http://nrhp.focus.nps.gov/, is not working right now. doncram (talk) 04:43, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I believe the site in question (Focus.nps.gov) identifies the documents in question as "public domain" very clearly. At least, that's what gave me the impression I was free to use the images. The site is down for me too, but see this mirror: [1]. If the site identifies the content as public domain... I mean, maybe it's more an issue for their legal department than us. They're telling the world this stuff is public domain, I think when you submit these documents for review in the NRHP process you agree to release them into the public domain. --Miss Communication (talk) 14:18, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well now it seems to be up and indicating the publication as "Public domain" when I search for this place (it's listed under a search for 'winkworth'). [2] If this really isn't public domain... the NPS itself needs to clarify it isn't, because their database is listing it as public domain documents. --Miss Communication (talk) 20:29, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]