Talk:Rome

Incorrect pluralization in Administration --> City Government

The sentence that reads, in part, "Rome constitutes one of Italy's 8,101 commune's [sic]" should read, "Rome constitutes one of Italy's 8,101 communes." If someone could fix this, that'd be just dandy. 98.226.184.153 (talk) 22:18, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Where is demography?

There is no section about this standard information. Lear 21 11:39, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Colosseum

Why does the article refer to the Colosseum as being built "in the 70's" - it just doesnt seem very accurate. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by HBarca (talk • contribs) 22:32, 18 February 2007 (UTC).

Well, construction on the Colosseum started in either 70 CE or 72 CE, and finished in 80 CE, so saying it was built in the 70s is pretty accurate. Gentgeen 08:56, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

number fiddling?

This just seemed like a small move, and i'm far from expert. any ideas? [1] --Kevin ^(TALK) 16:40, 22 February 2007 (UTC)Trevi Fountain

Photos

I have some photos that may be of interest to readers of the article, but unfortunately I cannot release them for use on Wikipedia itself. How would people feel about linking to them? The URL for the page is http://www.travel-pictures.biz/photos/europe/italy/rome/ . Astigmat 02:00, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

UNESCO's World Heritage Site: Historic Centre of Rome, the Properties of the Holy See in that City Enjoying Extraterritorial Rights and San Paolo Fuori le Mura Id. n. 91, 91bis 1980 e 1990 C (i) (ii) (iii) (iv) (vi) http://www.sitiunesco.it/index.phtml?id=558 http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/91

Unfortunately we can't use them on the page, and they are nothing exceptional, so they should not be introduced in the article. See WP:LINKS for more informations.--Francis Escort 12:25, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Page Quality

If we look at Paris, France's page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris It is so much more colourful and detailed, whereas Rome's is lagging behind other European capital pages

Just a mistake -- pls fix it

Rome is the second most populous metropolitan area, after Milan not the third one Instead Rome metropolitan area is the largest in Italy http://www.provincia.roma.it/UploadDocs/1815_20070222WP9web.pdf

Universities of Rome

Between the Universities of the city there's also the Link Campu University of Malta, but it's bad linked inside the wikicode. The link is limited to "Campus of Rome", while the full name is, actually, "Link Campus - University of Malta" or, simply, "Link Campus". Is it possible to make this little but important change? Thank you very much for any suggestion or instruction on how to do it by myself. UniLinkCampus 13:50, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

The American University of Rome (www.aur.edu) is not listed on this page. It is the first American University in Rome!! HeathaMilla 09:35, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

The claim that La Sapienza is the second largest university in the world is completely unfounded. UNAM in Mexico and UBA in Argentina are far larger by number of students, which appears to be the metric used, as well as by the number of faculty. I am sure that there are many others in Latin America that are larger by these criteria, and I would imagine that the same is true in other regions of the world.

Population in history

The chapter on population begins with this sentence: "At the time of Emperor Augustus, Rome was the largest city in the world (and probably the largest city ever built until the nineteenth century)." How can it be the "largest city in the world" until the nineteenth century, at the time of Emperor Augustus??? This is confusing. Does it mean that at the time of Augustus, the city was at it's maximum and after Augustus it got smaller? And does it mean that after this moment, there has never been a city in the world whose population reached this size until the nineteenth century? Maarten 11 12:30, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

>>Rome's population may have been less than 50,000, then was stagnant or shrinking until the Renaissance, when in XVII century reached 100,000. The day when Rome was annexed to Kingdom of Ialy, in 1870, had a population of about 200,000, that rapidly increased to 600,000 by the end of XIX century.

For clarity and consistency please change these century references to text or regular numbers ( 17th, 19th respectively ) ( or seventeenth, nineteenth )

Typos

"characterized by feast" - in Fascist Architecture, what on earth is intended? Danja 19:59, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

"From the its foundation," should be "From its foundation," Firespun (talk) 15:33, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Fixed. For typos like this you should be able to edit the page yourself. --Salix alba (talk) 16:15, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

EXTERNAL LINK

I would like to add a link to the following website: http://www.romanbookshelf.com. It is a collection (still growing since it is really recent) of views about Rome in the past centuries, books about the eternal city, recipes and soon a travel guide. I wish you could give me your opinion about it and share your thoughts about adding the link to this page. Thank you. Diego. Oct. 26th, 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Diegom-08 (talk • contribs) 08:37, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I found that the page has some spam in the notes:

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome#_note-11

^ Italian in Florence - Links - Information on Rome. ^ Italian in Florence - Links - Information on Rome. ^ Italian in Florence - Links - Information on Rome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.97.35.72 (talk) 18:01, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Lock this article

Requesting that this article be locked. Unusual volumes of vandalism, and not enough people keeping on top of it. About 4 edits went unreverted for hours. Sicilianmandolin 16:57, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

nice information —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.147.0.191 (talk) 18:57, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Its past the no-editing period 69.22.71.123 15:21, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Images

Guys, there are too many images near the bottom of the article. They disconnect the text and make article look messy. Use a gallery. athinaios (talk) 17:24, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Religion

There was virtually nothing about the Roman Religion from prior to Christianity on the page, so I added a bit from Livy. Please add more to expand upon when I added, as Rome's very long history before 380 AD was tied very closely to religious practices that weren't even mentioned on the page. --WingedEarth (talk) 16:44, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

In the spirit of not making this article too long, this section should concentrate on contemporary Rome and it should be short and sweet. The historical aspects that you and others have added are great, but better suited to the main article or, if necessary, a new article on Ancient Roman religion. Mariokempes (talk) 18:06, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

The article on Rome should focus on Rome, not just one particular period of history (e.g. contemporary). It's impossible to understand Rome without knowing it's history, and if any article should be long, it's an article on a 2760 year old city that happens to be the basis for Western Civilization as we know it. Anyhow, I only added two short paragraphs to that section. Rome's most influential and most studied period is the ancient period. Therefore, if anything should be edited out, it's the information on later periods. --216.211.206.51 (talk) 23:11, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I was referring to the religion section only... the history section itself is adequate. There is no point going into great detail on the religion of ancient Rome in this article specific to Rome the city, since this aspect generally pertains to the history of western civilization and is not unique to just the city. Info on ancient religion could be elaborated on in a separate article. That is only my opinion and I won't press the issue. Mariokempes (talk) 17:33, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree with Mariokempes on this. This is an article predominately about modern Rome. There is a different article on Ancient Rome. Ancient religious beliefs pass as a footnote here. Blue-Haired Lawyer 09:16, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

BHL, sorry to keep criticizing your edits. It is just because, at what appears, both you and me are interested in this article and desire to see it as good as possible. Aren't you a bit too hasty in deleting the whole "Religions" section? It assuredly was overbloated in what regards ancient religion, but it also touched christian Rome and modern contemporary minorities; perhaps the whole subject might deserve a trimmer section. Don't you agree? Thanks, Goochelaar (talk) 09:44, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree 100% with you. A short section about Religion, focused above all on the contemporary period, is necessary. Regards, Alex2006 (talk) 09:56, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Edit first and ask questions later: I've put in a paragraph on religion under demography. We could do with some statistics on this. There's also Jewish and Hindu communities in Rome. Blue-Haired Lawyer 10:20, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

The Jewish community of Rome is the oldest existing outside Palestine. The presence of the Jews in Rome is documented already in the 2nd century BC. Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 11:07, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Gap in the middle of the page!

Why is there a gap in the middle of the page with over 13 pictures on the right side of the article? MicroX 04:29, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Coat of arms of Rome.png

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BetacommandBot (talk) 19:47, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

official borders of municipi

The reference

http://www.comune.roma.it/was/wps/portal/!ut/p/_s.7_0_A/7_0_21L?menuPage=/Area_di_navigazione/Sezioni_del_portale/Municipi/

is commented as

List of Municipi and definition of their territories on the official website of the Comune di Roma

Could someone help to find detailed definition of borders for each municipi (and possibly rioni)--which streets make up borders for each municipi/rioni? --DenisYurkin (talk) 18:43, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

What about their aqueducts?

Constructed by the first Roman emperors, the aqueducts still supply most of the fresh water used in the city. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.65.139.242 (talk) 00:26, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Metro and Urban people number??

Where did you find these data?? 5milion ppl in metro area? Naples and Roma have about 3500000 ppl in metro area, Milan almost 4milion !!!!! —Preceding Flapane (Wiki Italia) comment added by 213.140.16.189 (talk) 22:46, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

The Satellite Photo

Don't forget the satellite photo of the whole city of Rome. The one it's shown represents only part of the city. You can find it in the italian link.

mos —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.51.155.180 (talk) 21:43, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

The Villas of Rome

Among its beautiful villas, I suggest to remember also VILLA TIVOLI and VILLA D'ESTE, two very famous villas, UNESCO world heritage; let's add 'em! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.25.5.144 (talk) 20:51, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually, Tivoli (not "Villa Tivoli") is a town not far from Rome but distinct from it, and Villa d'Este is in Tivoli... Goochelaar (talk) 21:12, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Reorganized incipit

I reorganized the incipit, added references, and improved the text.

Rome (Italian: Roma, Latin: Roma) is the capital city of Italy and of the Lazio region, as well as the country's largest and most populous city, with more than 2.7 million residents.[2] The metropolitan area has a population of about 4 million. It is located in the central-western portion of the Italian peninsula, where the river Aniene joins the Tiber.

Rome, Caput mundi (Capital of the world), la Città Eterna (The Eternal City), Limen Apostolorum (Threshold of the Apostles), la città dei sette colli (The city of the seven hills) or simply l'Urbe (The City),[3] has been for centuries the center of Western civilization, and is the seat of the Catholic Church.

The State of the Vatican City, the sovereign territory of the Holy See is an enclave of Rome.

Today is thoroughly modern and cosmopolitan, and the third most-visited tourist destination in the EU.[4]

As one of the few major European cities that escaped World War II relatively unscathed, central Rome remains essentially Renaissance and Baroque in character. The Historic Center of Rome is listed by UNESCO as a World Heritage Site.[5]

The Mayor of Rome is Giovanni Alemanno.

--Fertuno (talk) 15:18, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Pollution

Why does this article say nothing about pollution in Rome (or the rest of Italy's cities for that matter)? I don't know enough to make any definitive statements, but I have heard that pollution in Rome is actually quite terrible, and I know for a fact that some other major cities in Italy (Florence, for example) appear to have a problem with getting rid of solid trash. Considering that many other articles concerning major cities approach the subject of pollution, I believe this one should as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.184.24.252 (talk) 20:18, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Roman Senate

Is there senate in present-day Rome?--Dojarca (talk) 22:05, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't understand the question. If you are talking about the Italian Republic the answer is yes: the Senate is the upper house, and lies in Palazzo Madama, near Piazza Navona. If you are talking about the Senate of the ancient Rome, the answer is yes again. The building has been restored under Mussolini and lies at the northeast end of the Roman Forum. Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 05:06, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I am talking about the city of Rome. Is it govened by a senate or some other body? Does it have municipal council?--Dojarca (talk) 01:22, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

This isn't a discussion page about Rome but about the article, ask at the Reference Desk - WP:RD Doug Weller (talk) 14:22, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, but he might have a point: the answer should be clear from this article. Actually, the section Rome#Government tends to mix up the national government bodies located in Rome, and the actual local government. In a word, yes, Rome has a mayor, who presides a city council. In fact, we might want to spend a word about the political composition of the council. Goochelaar (talk) 14:33, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Also I wonder when the medieval Roman senate disapeared? I know it still existed in 1590 as it gave titles of "roman patrician" to 6 people in this year, but when it ceased to exist? Probably after Napoleonic wars?--Dojarca (talk) 18:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

wrong info about Capitoline Wolf image

Could someone update the caption for the Capitoline Wolf image to reflect the new information about its date of creation? Even just removing the parenthesized text would do it. 24.79.155.247 (talk) 20:46, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

What new information? Why can't you do it yourself? Blue-Haired Lawyer 08:55, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

The datation of the Wolf is still contended. Official results will not be published until the end of the year. Please see my addition to the article. Alex2006 (talk) 11:45, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Confluence of Aniene and Tiber

Why was the mention of Aniene river removed? No real sources are needed: any map is enough. See for instance http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&ll=41.937275,12.502098&spn=0.033137,0.109863&z=14 in Google Maps. The narrower river is Aniene (scrolling rightwards enough, "Fiume [i.e. river] Aniene" will show up). Happy editing, Goochelaar (talk) 21:55, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

While the Aniene and the Tiber do confluence within the modern city limits, it all happens above stream of the historic centre. Most maps of the historic centre don't even show the Aniene, because it's too far out of the centre. If you want to specifically say that Rome was founded at the confluence of these rivers you'll need to prove it! Blue-Haired Lawyer 22:43, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I see your point. However the article does not say that the city was founded at the confluence (it wasn't, indeed: it was founded at a ford somewhere in the area of the seven hills). It just describes very roughly, in the "Geography" section, the hydrography of (modern) Rome, just like it gives its highest point (and Monte Mario is not in the historical centre either) and so on. Bye, Goochelaar (talk) 22:55, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Without saying founded the article implies/implied this was the case. Rome is also near lots of other stuff. Blue-Haired Lawyer 16:29, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I am not sure I am following you. How can the "Geography" section imply anything about the foundation, when the "History" section tells all about it? You are right, there is much more to be said about Rome's geography, for instance about its geological structures, but deleting the little we have now does not improve things. I am modifying your deletion rephrasing the "confluence" thing. Goochelaar (talk) 17:10, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

When I saw the Aniene river referred to in the lead, this is what i felt was implied. I said nearby in the edit summary because the Aniene doesn't flow through the historic centre. Blue-Haired Lawyer 17:54, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Most of modern Rome, including the Vatican, the main parks and about 90% of its population, is not in the historic centre, which is generally identified with the part within Aurelian Walls and which makes up part of one (and one of the smallest) of 19 municipi of Rome. Anyhow, I am happy with the present formulation. I had not seen that originally there was a mention of Aniene in the lead: I agree that it is not important enough to warrant this. Happy editing, Goochelaar (talk) 09:02, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

New version

This article is good in parts but still a bit of a mess. I'm working on a new version based partly on this article, on the it:Rome article from Italian Wikipedia, using the structure from the London. If anyone wants to have a look it here: User:Blue-Haired Lawyer/sandbox2. Blue-Haired Lawyer 08:58, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Structure

I'm going to start shifting around the sections for article to reflect standard city article structure. (I'm taking London as a base). Blue-Haired Lawyer 12:44, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Rome for improvement

(apologies for the horrible pun!)

Here's my suggested to do list (please feel free to add any ideas of your own):

1. I'd like to replace the second paragraph of the lead with one giving more info about roman history and delete the list of epithets. We could put these elsewhere if anyone's interested.

2. The section of the local administration needs improvement. There's not much information on this one to be found. Anyone know how many councillors there are for instance?

3. The economy section is a bit week. Saying that Rome "has a dynamic and diverse economy with thriving technologies" sounds a bit propagandistic.

4. Most cities have a decent section of the etymology of the city's name.

5. IMHO the language section should concentrate more on the modern dialect. Isn't is called "Romano" anyway?

6. Two separate parts of the article place a series of images on the right side of the page, which messes up the edit tags. Anyone mind if I change this?

Blue-Haired Lawyer 14:03, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I support anything that improves the layout of images here. The first three images in History mess up the edit tags (the mess gets worse when TOC is collapsed). Demography has large areas of blank whitespace in displays narrower than 1128 pixels (is a float property needed there?). Right-aligned images in Architecture also mess up edit tags. One would benefit from an "upright" attribute, and Villa Borghese could be moved down to Villas and gardens. There are more layout problems further down (Transportation and International relations).-84user (talk) 15:03, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

BHL, thanks for your edits, which are really improving the article. I may help about items 2 and 5. In particular, I am reading at present a book about "Storia linguistica di Roma" (Linguistic history of Rome). The language/dialect is actually called "romanesco" ("romanaccio" in romanesco itself). We have an article about it, but it is very meagre. Goochelaar (talk) 15:15, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

About the etymology: it is unknown. There are hypotheses relating the name "Roma" to Etruscan roots (for instance from "Rumon", Etruscan for "river") and other (e.g., from "Ruma", that is, "hill" or "(feminine) breast" in Oscan language), but nothing definite. I shall look for good sources about this. Goochelaar (talk) 15:50, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I think I fixed the TOC issue. Cheers! TN‑X-Man 20:50, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

17th Century

"but Rome ultimately lagged behind the rest of European capital cities over the subsequent centuries, being largely busy in the Counter-Reformation process."

Anyone know what this means? Blue-Haired Lawyer 16:56, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Not much. What the author means here is simply that the energy of the papacy were used to fight the Reformation, instead of making the city bigger and wealthier. It is clear that Rome, capital of a small state, could not compete in wealth and size with capitals of large european states like Paris and London, but nevertheless the City reached its cultural apogee in the 17th century (the century of Baroque), and its artistic supremacy could be mantained up to the beginning of the 19th century. Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 14:49, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Sovereign Military Order of Malta

I'm very doubtful about the Sovereign Military Order of Malta's claim to sovereignty. Even if it is "[a]n independent subject of international law", as it describes itself to be this doesn't necessarily mean it's sovereign.

Anyway, as far as this article is concerned, since the Order of Malta don't actually claim any territory in Rome, Rome can't contain it. At least not in the same way that it contains the Vatican. The Sovereign Military Order of Malta isn't anywhere. It just happens to have offices in Rome, as do lots of other international bodies. They aren't in Rome anymore than they might be anywhere else that they have offices. Blue-Haired Lawyer 17:17, 9 August 2008 (UTC) Noone really cares if your boutful...it still has its sovereign status and is housed by Rome. Gavin (talk) 11:15, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

who are the Gods and Godesses in Rome

I think we should add here all about Rome as much as we can including the Gods and Godesses which should be included in the Religion part of this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Homogeneous (talk • contribs) 10:49, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

This article is about modern Rome. You might want to have a look at Religion in ancient Rome and at Roman mythology and the articles cited there. Goochelaar (talk) 11:15, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Typo

Under Transportation/Rail: the word "principle" is used. This is the wrong usage. It should be "principal".

Fixed Blue-Haired Lawyer 11:25, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

every one talks italian

every one talks itanian and people who dont leave. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.129.226 (talk) 18:05, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

No, you are incorrect. That is just as stupid as saying "Everybody in Spain speaks Spanish.". Reliable Forever^talk 18:03, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Please don't feed the trolls. — Blue-Haired Lawyer 21:54, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

rom

There are 160 hectares, was once a land, for forty years is a landfill. Indeed, one of the most explosive landfill d'Italia, the largest in Europe. The black jersey of Italy had defined the Eurispes in a report last year, the increasingly fine mesh that covers the waste of capital and prevents it from becoming the next Naples. But how long will succeed this black mesh to protect Rome and the surrounding area? A meeting between the mayor Gianni Alemanno and the chairman of the Region Piero Marrazzo should decide the fate of the capital and its roads. But —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.182.86.10 (talk) 10:17, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Spelling....

This page has several spelling errors, now I am not an expert in History or Rome, but pretty sure that things like civilisation, or the corrected form; civilization, are things that need to be fixed in order for this page to be taken seriously. I do know that this civilisation might be a UK version of this word, but however, I do believe that it has been removed from normal use and is no longer a prevalent way of writing civilization. In addition, the link corresponding with this spelling error has now been written as Western Society under its article page.

In addition, I am not attacking the author or authors, but I do believe that the grammar needs a lot of work, which is very hard when writing a technical document such as this. Please, be aware of flaws and spelling errors that would create a false facade of bad information as when I am reading through these pages, I do not tend to lean towards believing something that has this many errors within its body of text.

Thank you, WolfMan4200 (talk) 22:23, 16 October 2008 (UTC)The First WolfMan

I must disagree with you... As far as most Wikipedia articles go, this one is in pretty good shape and the "spelling and grammar errors" you point to are most likely attributable to your unfamiliarity with UK spelling (civilisation, centre, harbour, theatre, etc.). As this article pertains to a European topic, the WP convention is to use British English. Dionix (talk) 23:15, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

can i ahve more information abuot rome because is not a nough —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.52.210.110 (talk) 22:25, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Neglected

The metropolitan area of Rome is big 3.089, 24 km², absolutely not 5.352!!! 5.352 is the number about the province of Rome, another subeject!! can see also you in italian page (here) the truth! i think who this page is neglected and imaginative! --Focak (talk) 00:38, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Have a look at the footnote. The source checks out. — Blue-Haired Lawyer 00:44, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Source wrong

Yes, I've seen, but, the metropolitan area of Rome not corresponds with the km² of the province of Rome, absolutely! that source in the end, it's wrong and parochial!! multiple (many many many) sources indicate that metrapolitan area of Rome is smaller of the km² of province, repeat: the km² of metropolitan area of Rome not include all the province di Rome!! please, i believe that this page must be controlled, all the page.... not fanaticism please!!!

• Milan (second municipality for population and first metropolitan area in italy, her metropolitan area include all the province and also other: her density is very hight...)
• Naples (third municipally for population and second metropolitan area of italy, her metropolitan area include all the province and also other: her density is very very hight, first density (in absolutely) in Italy and one of the most densely populated in europe)
• Rome (first municipally of italy for population and third metropolitan area, her metropolitan area not include all the province, absolutely not;for extension is the bigger (3.089, 24 km²) but her density is very very low! summarizing, the metropolitan area of Rome is not very important if comparated with Milan e Naples. Please. --Focak (talk) 16:22, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Find one. — Blue-Haired Lawyer 17:00, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Let me put in some background. The whole of Italy is divided into 20 regions, each of which is divided into one or more provinces, each of which is divided into several communes. While each region has its own name (for instance, the region including Rome is Lazio), provinces and communes take the name of their capital. One problem of this article is that it sometimes does not make clear whether something it is saying regards the province of Rome, the commune of Rome or the city itself.

Moreover, it has been proposed (but not yet fully implemented) to establish a metropolitan area for Rome, mostly to address public transportation issues and the like: while the metropolitan area exists in theory, the communes it will include - other than Rome - have not yet be decided; see http://www.areeurbane.apat.it/site/_files/INU/Roma.pdf , the paper cited above, which says "Pur essendo individuata Roma come area metropolitana non sono presenti strumenti che indichino un’effettiva considerazione dei temi di interesse sovracomunale, né una definizione dei comuni che la compongono" (something like, "While Rome has been singled out as a metropolitan area, there are not yet instruments to describe how actually tackle the issues pertaining to more than one commune, nor the designation of the communes composing it", my emphasis), as well as http://www.comune.roma.it/was/wps/portal/!ut/p/_s.7_0_A/7_0_21L?menuPage=/Area_di_navigazione/Sezioni_del_portale/Il_comune_per_argomenti/Citt-13-,_Decentramento,_Municipalit-13-,_Orari/Il_Decentramento_Amministrativo/Delimitazione_dell%27Area_Metropolitana_di_Roma/&flagSub= , a page from the Comune di Roma website, where the "costituenda area metropolitana" (= "metropolitan area to be constituted") is mentioned. So there is no such thing as an official "metropolitan area", and the document cited just describes an unofficial "area urbana vasta" (something like a "greater Rome"), but this actually just coincides with the province of Rome.

So, as we already have a Province of Rome article, I'd say we should just cover the city and the commune here, and perhaps distinguish better between the two. As the commune has an area of 1285 square kilometers, this is the only meaningful data we can give about Rome's area. Accordingly, I shall shortly remove the mentions of such a thing as a "metropolitan area", if no good reasons are shown and until it comes into actual existence. [[::User:Goochelaar|Goochelaar]] ([[::User talk:Goochelaar|talk]]) 18:06, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, thank you for honesty: i believe that for an encyclopaedia it's very important to be honesty and correct! however, if you can however to put the dates of metropolitan area of Rome, the best thing is to report to the sources eurostat, onu, etc.. (sources much less "local"!!!). All the cities use the sources about their metropolitan area, it's first an factor of urbanism, so i believe that it's not very imporant if it's not yet recognizet from institutions!!! so, however for Rome it's important to remember that her metropolitan area: 1 not include all the province, 2 it's the bigger metropolitan area of italy (only for extension) but the third for population and it has a density very low if compareted to the metropolitan area of Milan and especially to Naples. it's important to be correct, this is an encyclopaedia. thank you, bye! --Focak (talk) 04:15, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

I can't

I can't delete this period but someone must cancel this: " and more than three times the size of the greater metropolitan area of London".... must be cancelled for the reasons who I've expressed before, please! so the metropolita area of rome not corrisponds with whole the province and it can't be compared to greater London, please, i repeat, be careful of fanaticism, the metropolitan area of Rome isn't comparable to London or Paris.--Focak (talk) 15:36, 5 March 2009 (UTC)