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== Bad JPEG == |
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ùFeh. This image perfectly demonstrates the pitfalls of JPEG compression. Not that it matters in the grand scheme of things. --[[User:Ardonik|Ardonik]].[[User talk:Ardonik|talk()]] 00:21, Sep 8, 2004 (UTC) |
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:Should we upload [[:Image:Example.png]] then? — [[User:Stevey7788|Stevey7788]] ([[User talk:Stevey7788|talk]]) 01:02, 29 July 2005 (UTC) |
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::Unless the macro is changed to <nowiki>[[Image:Example.png]]</nowiki>, that would be mostly pointless. I am removing the <nowiki>{{badJPEG}}</nowiki> as it is kinda silly. [[User:Splarka|Splarka]] ([[User_talk:Splarka|rant]]) 23:05, 23 December 2005 (UTC) |
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==Attribution== |
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As it is not clear from the revision history, here is the attribution info for the current version: |
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*Created by [[User:Sverdrup|Ulrik Sverdrup]] |
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*Modified by [[User:Brian0918]] |
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*Recreated by [[User:Locke Cole|Locke Cole]] (3 April 2006) |
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Question: Can we really gfdl this? It contains an image that the foundation reserves. |
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[[User:Sverdrup|— Sverdrup]] 17:33, 6 August 2005 (UTC) |
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:no.[[User:Geni|Geni]] 20:56, 5 November 2005 (UTC) |
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==Recreated== |
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I've recreated it to get rid of the JPEG artifacts. It's not perfect, but it's better than it was. I've also uploaded a GIF version at [[:Image:Example.gif]], and I'll probably try to take over [[:Image:Example.png]] (by taking that image and reuploading it under a better filename). Then, if someone needs to modify this in the future, they can work off the PNG (since it'll be lossless PNG (24-bit)). —[[User:Locke Cole|Locke Cole]] • [[User talk:Locke Cole|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Locke Cole|c]] 06:20, 3 April 2006 (UTC) |
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:Beautiful, we needed that. <span style=" font-family: Optima, sans-serif; border-bottom: 1px solid blue;">[[User:Sverdrup|❝'''S'''verdrup❞]]</span> 12:08, 2 June 2006 (UTC) |
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== Other == |
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I have uploaded an this same image at [[:Image:Example-serious.jpg]] for serious use, because this image is mostly used in new users testing. --<font size="1" color="002bb8">[[User:GeorgeMoney|GeorgeMoney]] <sup>[[User_talk:GeorgeMoney|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/GeorgeMoney|C]]</sup></font> 04:03, 23 June 2006 (UTC) |
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== Why? == |
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Why is this picture so important? What is it ''for'' anyway?--[[User:KojiDude|KojiDude]] ([[User talk:KojiDude|talk]]) 01:46, 31 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:I just found out it is the image inserted when the user clicks the "embedded image" button on the edit toolbar. Thus many (new) users will see it when they test the edit interface. --[[User:Davidgothberg|David Göthberg]] 13:07, 7 November 2006 (UTC) |
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==Proposed edit== |
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Example.gif should use the image in example.jpg, to make the image usable by third parties. [[User:Poccil|Peter O.]] ([[User talk:Poccil|Talk]]) 07:44, 29 October 2006 (UTC) |
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:What? —<span style="font: small-caps 14px times; color: red;">[[User:Mets501|Mets<small>501</small>]] ([[User talk:Mets501|talk]])</span> 03:09, 2 November 2006 (UTC) |
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:While I've turned Image:Example.jpg and Image:Example.png into free images I haven't done that for Image:Example.gif yet.[[User:Geni|Geni]] 18:21, 2 November 2006 (UTC) |
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== Wikipe-tan == |
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Just...why?—[[User:Ryulong|Ryūlóng]] ([[User talk:Ryulong|竜龍]]) 09:59, 31 October 2006 (UTC) |
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:Do we have any other free images that represent Wikipedia? [[User:Hyenaste|Hyenaste]] <sup>[[User_talk:Hyenaste|(tell)]]</sup> 23:50, 31 October 2006 (UTC) |
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::Seeing as the image is only used for tests, etc, the drawing isn't needed - it could just have the text, color blocks, etc. -[[User:Will Beback|Will Beback]] 00:14, 1 November 2006 (UTC) |
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:::that would leave a large white area in the current version.[[User:Geni|Geni]] 00:16, 1 November 2006 (UTC) |
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::::It could be re-arranged to accomodate the subtraction. -[[User:Will Beback|Will Beback]] 00:33, 1 November 2006 (UTC) |
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::::Is there any reason ''not'' to have her? One reason ''for'' her is that she is a free-to-use image representing Wikipedia. [[User:Hyenaste|Hyenaste]] <sup>[[User_talk:Hyenaste|(tell)]]</sup> 00:34, 1 November 2006 (UTC) |
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:::::We could have any (or no) free image in there. Its purpose isn't to represent Wikipedia, it's just to allow editors to test image placement. A photograph may also be appropriate. -[[User:Will Beback|Will Beback]] 00:39, 1 November 2006 (UTC) |
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::::::OK, if any image will do, why not use Wikipe-tan then? [[User:Hyenaste|Hyenaste]] <sup>[[User_talk:Hyenaste|(tell)]]</sup> 00:41, 1 November 2006 (UTC) |
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:::::::No reason that I know of. [[User:Ryulong|Ryūlóng]] asked the opposite question. -[[User:Will Beback|Will Beback]] 02:34, 1 November 2006 (UTC) |
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:from what I recall the reasoning went along the lines of: |
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::beter make it a free image put it off long enough |
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::what shall we replace the wikipedia logo with? |
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::something that represents wikipedia. |
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::needs to be the right shape though. |
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::Wikipe-tan's past, now and future.png? darn doesn't scale |
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::modified version of TrollBoat tan.png? That scales better. |
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:[[User:Geni|Geni]] 11:26, 1 November 2006 (UTC) |
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::Yeah, I liked past present and future but it didn't come through. :( [[User:Hyenaste|Hyenaste]] <sup>[[User_talk:Hyenaste|(tell)]]</sup> 01:32, 2 November 2006 (UTC) |
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:::Definitely just use the WP logo. I've reverted back (but if consensus here is to remove it, just revert me :-) —<span style="font: small-caps 14px times; color: red;">[[User:Mets501|Mets<small>501</small>]] ([[User talk:Mets501|talk]])</span> 03:09, 2 November 2006 (UTC) |
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::::Wikipedia logo is not free and therefore should not be used.[[User:Geni|Geni]] 11:40, 2 November 2006 (UTC) |
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:::::The logo isn't free, but we're using it ON Wikipedia, where it's use is allowed. The context isn't misleading, nor does it seem to violate any conditions set up by the foundation. This is very absurd. -- [[User:Ned Scott|Ned Scott]] 06:08, 7 November 2006 (UTC) |
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::::::re-users would not be useing it on wikipedia.[[User:Geni|Geni]] 12:09, 7 November 2006 (UTC) |
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:::::::The anime girl is not very culturally neutral. It appeals to fans of Japanese animation and makes us look pretty, er, silly. Seriously, it's a cute picture, but can we replace it? I'd vote for the Earth image below over the anime girl. — [[User:Amcaja|Amcaja]] 09:40, 8 November 2006 (UTC) |
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:::::::This image has nothing at all to do with reusers of our content (it's not used in articles, templates, or anything else; if it is used anywhere, such uses should be looked at because it's probably a mistake). I suggest reverting to the Wikipedia logo. —[[User:Locke Cole|Locke Cole]] • [[User talk:Locke Cole|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Locke Cole|c]] 01:07, 8 December 2006 (UTC) |
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This was corrected a long time ago. Look at the logo. —[[User:Centrx|Centrx]]→[[User talk:Centrx|''talk'']] • 01:31, 8 December 2006 (UTC) |
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== The Earth == |
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[[Image:The Earth seen from Apollo 17.jpg|thumb|150px|right|Our home]] |
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I like that the current test image has explanatory text. But some graphics is nice to have too. The first thing that came to my mind was to just use some simple graphics like the coloured dots on the current image but that is a bit boring. The girl currently in the image is cute, but she isn't very culturally neutral. And I thought some photo would be nice. And of course it should preferably be a public domain image. So I did some thinking and came up with what I think is the coolest, most culturally neutral image that I can think of, and I think 99% of humans enjoy that image. I think it is sort of an obvious choice, the image of our home, the earth itself. --[[User:Davidgothberg|David Göthberg]] 13:07, 7 November 2006 (UTC) |
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==New image== |
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I have replaced it with a new image that is more professional and less genre specific and corresponding design. This is also GFDL. If you notice any errors or have any suggestions, let me know. —[[User:Centrx|Centrx]]→[[User talk:Centrx|''talk'']] • 08:32, 17 November 2006 (UTC) |
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:The new image looks very nice. Thanks. — [[User:Amcaja|Amcaja]] 22:38, 29 November 2006 (UTC) |
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::Agreed; thanks. [[User:Flcelloguy|Flcelloguy]] <small>([[User talk:Flcelloguy|A <font color="brown">note?</font>]])</small> 03:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC) |
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:::Very nice. -[[User:Will Beback|Will Beback]] · [[User talk:Will Beback|†]] · 22:38, 8 December 2006 (UTC) |
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::::Looks like the shape of a human brain. --[[User:66.218.10.42|66.218.10.42]] 23:38, 10 December 2006 (UTC) |
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:::::It looks much better now, Centrx. The shape is great. Thanks for making it. [[User talk:Picaroon9288|Þicaroon]] 02:14, 14 December 2006 (UTC) |
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::::::I too like your image + text Centrx. Really looks like a test image. And it seems sufficiently culturally neutral. --[[User:Davidgothberg|David Göthberg]] 21:34, 10 June 2007 (UTC) |
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==Disputed clause== |
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The image states that, by default, images uploaded to Wikipedia are released under GFDL. That is not true, because images with no license are tagged with {{tl|no license}} instead of {{tl|GFDL-self}}. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 14:39, 27 January 2007 (UTC) |
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:Any suggestions for different text? I would propose "Images uploaded to Wikipedia must be published under a free license" or somesuch, but fair use images complicate that. —[[User:Centrx|Centrx]]→[[User talk:Centrx|''talk'']] • 01:17, 28 January 2007 (UTC) |
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::Hmm... I would think the caption should be something like "Images uploaded to Wikipedia must be correctly licensed or face deletion" or something like that, to prevent having to deal with free/fair use stuff. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 20:54, 11 February 2007 (UTC) |
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:::Given that fair use images are now properly discouraged even more than before by Foundation decree, perhaps we could just ignore them in the message and refer specifically to freely licensed images? —[[User:Centrx|Centrx]]→[[User talk:Centrx|''talk'']] • 16:56, 17 February 2007 (UTC) |
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::::That simplifies the matter, yes. Now, I am pretty awful working with Gimp, so someone else should do it :-) -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 17:56, 17 February 2007 (UTC) |
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:::::I'll do it. I have the original Gimp working (xcf) file anyway. —[[User:Centrx|Centrx]]→[[User talk:Centrx|''talk'']] • 18:22, 17 February 2007 (UTC) |
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==y== |
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Could you please bring back the original version of the image? <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/124.181.203.111|124.181.203.111]] ([[User talk:124.181.203.111|talk]]) 10:28, 31 March 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned --> |
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:The Wikipedia logo is not free, so this free image is favored over it. —[[User:Centrx|Centrx]]→[[User talk:Centrx|''talk'']] • 17:47, 31 March 2007 (UTC) |
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== Removal from userspace == |
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I was under the impression that since this image is GFDL'd it should be OK for userspace, yet I've had two editors remove it. Is there a reason/guideline/policy behind this? ''--[[User:DeLarge|DeLarge]] 19:28, 8 June 2007 (UTC)'' |
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:Links to diffs? The example image used to contain the Wikipedia logo, so if they are old diffs the image may have been removed at that time, or the person removing it may be under the impression that it still contains a non-free image. —[[User:Centrx|Centrx]]→[[User talk:Centrx|''talk'']] • 19:41, 8 June 2007 (UTC) |
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::The problem is that this image often appears in articles that have suffered from testing and if it is used on user pages such testing damage becomes harder to find.[[User:Geni|Geni]] 20:04, 8 June 2007 (UTC) |
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:::(to Centrx) It was only put there very recently.[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:DeLarge/Mitsubishi_Motors&diff=136896913&oldid=136380207] |
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:::I was just slightly riled because one editor removed the image entirely,[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:DeLarge/Mitsubishi_Motors&diff=136436332&oldid=136385191] and the other replaced it with [[:Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg]].[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:DeLarge/Mitsubishi_Motors&diff=136888138&oldid=136679962] However, I also posted a question on the talk page of the editor who removed it the second time, and apparently it's some kind of bot tidying thing. I've replaced it with the .png version to avoid a repetition. |
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:::The truly ridiculous thing is, it's a copy of a mainspace article I'm working on restructuring ([[Mitsubishi Motors]]; see [[User:DeLarge/Mitsubishi]]) but because of the prohibition of fair use images in userspace, I ''deliberately'' took the lone FU image out and replaced it with example.jpg so that I wouldn't get hassled. Part of me feels like putting the damn .jpg back just to be spiteful, even if I have to keep reverting on a daily basis... I mean, replacing it with [[:Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg]]?!? ''--[[User:DeLarge|DeLarge]] 20:12, 8 June 2007 (UTC)'' |
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::::yeah the bot needs some work but the removal but is correct. Useing the PNG is a fairly good work around.[[User:Geni|Geni]] 20:14, 8 June 2007 (UTC) |
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== The most useful image ever == |
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Thanks for whoever had the brilliant idea of using this as the default in the editing toolbar buttons, it is so usefull for finding tests using the image button or gallery button :) Thanks! [[User:TheFearow|Matt/TheFearow]] [[User_Talk:TheFearow|(Talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/TheFearow|(Contribs)]] [[User:DeadBot|(Bot)]] 01:59, 14 June 2007 (UTC) |
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:I completely agree, something I do often. However, I have just come here, and found that almost all the links have been removed! Well done to whoever did that! [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] 22:08, 28 June 2007 (UTC) |
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== About Example.svg == |
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This image looks fake. --[[User:TheKittenBoy|TheKittenBoy]] ([[User talk:TheKittenBoy|talk]]) 00:29, 1 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:How so? --[[User:Geniac|Geniac]] ([[User talk:Geniac|talk]]) 02:00, 1 March 2008 (UTC) |
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== Category:Wikipedia image placeholders == |
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{{tl|editprotected}} |
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Since this image is an image placeholder, please add <nowiki>[[Category:Wikipedia image placeholders]]</nowiki> to the bottom of the image page. Thanks. [[User:GregManninLB|GregManninLB]] ([[User talk:GregManninLB|talk]]) 13:43, 11 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:This is a tricky case. These images [[:Image:Example.jpg]], [[:Image:Example.png]], [[:Image:Example.gif]] and [[:Image:Example.svg]] are image examples and you could say "placeholders". However, the description at [[:Category:Wikipedia image placeholders]] states ''"This category consists of image placeholders for [[Wikipedia:Requested pictures|requested images]]"'' which means a very special type of placeholder images. And these images are not of that type. (And they do not belong in [[:Category:Wikipedia image placeholders for image namespace]] either.) |
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:Perhaps we should make a [[:Category:Wikipedia image examples]] and link to that category from the other two in some way? |
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:--[[User:Davidgothberg|David Göthberg]] ([[User talk:Davidgothberg|talk]]) 22:08, 11 April 2008 (UTC) |
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== "Example images" notice box == |
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The {{tl|example images}} notice box is currently shown on all the example image's description pages, and also at the top of this talk page. It looks like this: |
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{{example images}} |
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Today [[User:Sdrtirs]] placed a {{tl|NowCommons}} tag on the image description page [[:Image:Example.svg]]. But the image is already at commons and does not exist here so I assume that tag was a mistake. |
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However the local image description page does exist and shows the {{tl|example images}} box. The box explains how and when these example images should and shouldn't be used, since as can be seen from this talkpage (and from their "What links here") these images are constantly confusing people. If anyone think we should not have such an explanation box on the [[:Image:Example.svg]] page feel free to discuss it here. |
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And of course, any suggestions for improvements of the text in the {{tl|example images}} box are welcome. |
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--[[User:Davidgothberg|David Göthberg]] ([[User talk:Davidgothberg|talk]]) 15:00, 21 July 2008 (UTC) |
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== ''must'' be published under a free license? == |
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{{tl|editprotected}} |
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I love how it says that all images on Wikipedia "must" be published under a free license, yet [[WP:NFCC|its not absolutely required, but only in strict circumstances]]. Think we could replace it with a message saying to "click here for more information on how to upload a file in its place" and then add this message box to the page or add a link to a tutorial for uploading images? |
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{{imbox |
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|image=[[File:Start-here.svg|40px]] |
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|text=To upload an image to Wikipedia to replace this placeholder: |
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#Click the [[Wikipedia:Upload|Upload file]] button here or in the toolbox on the sidebar. |
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#Pick a file to upload. If it is your own work, pick a [[free content]] license to release your work in order to be used on Wikipedia. If it is '''not''' your own work, you must provide proof that it is in the [[public domain]] or released under a compatible license, or they may only be used in compliance with [[WP:NFC|the relevant policies]] for non-free content and have an appropriate rationale for their use, |
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#When uploaded, replace the Example filename placeholder in the page you wish to insert the image with the file name of your uploaded image. |
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}} |
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think this may help? [[User:ViperSnake151|ViperSnake151]] 15:02, 13 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:{{cross|18}} '''Not done''' for now, since needs clarification. And admins don't make images for you, you have to provide the new image yourself. (If a new/changed image is what you mean.) |
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:I am not sure I understand what you mean. First of all, this is the shared talk page of the whole set of test images. That is [[:Image:Example.jpg]], [[:Image:Example.png]], [[:Image:Example.gif]] and [[:Image:Example.svg]]. None of these images should be used in articles. Instead they are for testing and demonstration purposes in user space and in template documentation and similar. And in such places we are only allowed to use free images. It is only in articles that "fair use" images are allowed under some limited circumstances. And those "fair use" cases should be rare exceptions, we shouldn't encourage them. And I think we shouldn't encourage beginners to try to upload "fair use" images. But again, these test images should not be in articles at all. |
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:1: So what do you mean by "it"? All of these example images, or a specific one? |
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:2: What do you mean by: |
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::"''replace it with a message saying to 'click here for more information on how to upload a file in its place' ''" |
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:Do you mean replacing it with another image? Or do you mean changing the text of some of these test images? And where do you mean people should click, on the image so they come to the file description page or what? |
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:3: What page do you mean your blue box should be added to? To the file pages of some of these example images? Or somewhere else? |
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:4: I don't think we should add extra instructions anywhere. We already have plenty of existing help pages about file/image upload, and the [[Wikipedia:Upload|upload page]] itself has a lot of instructions and links to more help. Adding instructions for instance on these file description pages would mean yet another place that needs to be kept updated. (Even though I think your blue box above is very well written.) Instead I think we could perhaps add a link or two to some image help pages, at the bottom of the {{tl|example images}} box. That box is placed at the top of all the file description pages of these example images, and at the top of this talk page. See previous section about that box. You are very welcome to suggest a text (one or two sentences perhaps will do?) with a link or two to some image (upload) help pages. Since I currently have no good ideas how to formulate that sentence and where to link to, and you seem more skilled than me in wording these kind of things. |
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:Of course, this is a wiki. This is just my point of view on how to solve this. |
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:--[[User:Davidgothberg|David Göthberg]] ([[User talk:Davidgothberg|talk]]) 21:05, 13 February 2009 (UTC) |
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