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"Defensible space is a concept first proposed by the architect Oscar Newman and developed further by Alice Coleman." When? Where? etc. etc.Brosi 16:57, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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A picture of students taking a test seems to have no relationship to the article subject. I'm removing it; if there is some aspect of the concept that relates it needs to be explained. Jgm (talk) 12:21, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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In this section, I think the following argument is debatable: '...the private places of St. Louis do have much lower crime than public streets. The reason appears to be that in St. Louis, people had the capacity and incentives to defend their defensible spaces.' I disagree, I think the difference lies in their outlook. For example, I received a large suprise when I moved from a low-paying job (where most all employees worked for min wage) to a high-paying job (where most all employees made more money than needed for the average lifestyle). This suprise was the employees treatment of their restrooms (cleaned once daily). In the low-paying job, there was endless graffiti on the walls and trash on the floors. In the high paying job, the restroom remained pretty much pristine, and the defensive attitude here would likely have been one of amazement and zero tolerance of graffiti/trash behavior. The bottom line is that both income levels choose different options to defend their space, but both are a function of tolerance. A wealthier community uses intolerance as the guideline to defend its space, while the low income community defends with tolerance. What do others here think? Tell someone (talk) 12:58, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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 A picture of students taking a test seems to have no relationship to the article subject.  I'm removing it; if there is some aspect of the concept that relates it needs to be explained.  [[User:Jgm|Jgm]] ([[User talk:Jgm|talk]]) 12:21, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
+== Milieu Section ==
+In this section, I think the following argument is debatable: '...the private places of St. Louis do have much lower crime than public streets. The reason appears to be that in St. Louis, people had the capacity and incentives to defend their defensible spaces.'     I disagree, I think the difference lies in their outlook.  For example, I received a large suprise when I moved from a low-paying job (where most all employees worked for min wage) to a high-paying job (where most all employees made more money than needed for the average lifestyle).  This suprise was the employees treatment of their restrooms (cleaned once daily).  In the low-paying job, there was endless graffiti on the walls and trash on the floors.  In the high paying job, the restroom remained pretty much pristine, and the defensive attitude here would likely have been one of amazement and zero tolerance of graffiti/trash behavior.  The bottom line is that both income levels choose different options to defend their space, but both are a function of tolerance.  A wealthier community uses intolerance as the guideline to defend its space, while the low income community defends with tolerance.  What do others here think?  [[User:Tell someone|Tell someone]] ([[User talk:Tell someone|talk]]) 12:58, 25 March 2009 (UTC)