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We'd certainly welcome content that goes into greater depth about his political views — but that should be done by adding original content that ''summarizes'' them, not just by cutting and pasting long passages from ''Hansard''. A paragraph or two ''explaining'' the kinds of issues he's spoken about in the legislature, and thus putting them into context, would be an excellent addition to the article, if you're able to add it, but just listing quotes doesn't really add much to the encyclopedia. (If you need an example, look at the way [[Cheri DiNovo]]'s article handles the $10 minimum wage campaign.) Thanks. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 07:10, 5 February 2009 (UTC) |
We'd certainly welcome content that goes into greater depth about his political views — but that should be done by adding original content that ''summarizes'' them, not just by cutting and pasting long passages from ''Hansard''. A paragraph or two ''explaining'' the kinds of issues he's spoken about in the legislature, and thus putting them into context, would be an excellent addition to the article, if you're able to add it, but just listing quotes doesn't really add much to the encyclopedia. (If you need an example, look at the way [[Cheri DiNovo]]'s article handles the $10 minimum wage campaign.) Thanks. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 07:10, 5 February 2009 (UTC) |
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Hi Moonbug, thanks for your expansions of the Ledge Raids article....I've been meaning to "have a go" at the latest updates but between real life and distractions elsewhere in wiki-life, and also some previous experience with rescuing the article I've shied away from it...my bad, but I"m, as I've felt, too POV to have taken it on fairly (I'm a net-friend of BC Mary's, for one thing....). Even beyond this last week's revelations there's lots that's missing - the triple-whammy ministerial resignations (Clark, Collins and Plant - four if you count Coleman), the Kelly de Bruckyere connection, the hounding of the Victoria officer who fielded the "organized crime" statement, contrary to political directives not to say that, Oppal's comments in regard to the case which contradict his claim he can say nothing, Paul Nettleton's account/accusation of collusion in caucus meetings after the first LIberal victory, the delaying tactics in the courtroom and the unusual actions/proceedings of hte special prosecutor....and now ''all this''. It ''is'' a bit overwhelming isn't it? It makes it and has made it all the more difficult that the "reliable sources" haven't been all that reliable and much actual news has been reported only in blogspace. I know you're only part way through your expansion so will not muddy the puddle in the article itself until you're done, and I hope the food and drink you had included a good stiff one, you'll need it. Among other things "out there" is the notion that some of the released material may include faked documents, meant to throw off the trail, and that there are still pages where the details are blanked out. The criticisms of ScotiaBank, the statements buy [[Feroequus]] and [[BNSF]] and the CPR about unfair process....even with all that I'm only scratching the surface of the very deep pond, and who knows what else is in those documents. When last there was a lot of activity on this article, there was some debate about what to call it, and I rather expect there should be again, as it's not just about the Legislature Raids and the case arising from that ("Basi-Virk"), it's about much more that reaches beyond the payments involving omniTRAX and the spur line, or the money laundering charges etc. Where I'm going with this ramble is to suggest that the [[Kinsella Affair]] is very much its own topic, perhaps that can just be [[Patrick Kinsella]] but then WP:BLP limitations come into play; the [[Sale of BC Rail Scandal]] is somewhat bigger than the Basi-Virk trial and was only revealed by the investigation into the omniTRAX payments, although it hasn't been dubbed that by the recalcitrant press. The [[Basi-Virk trial]] itself is a different article topic than the Ledge Raids per se, and at this point who knows what else will tur nup in the way of "NPOV forks"....Anyway again thanks for taking this on, "you're a braver wikipedian than I, Gunga Din", to paraphrase Kipling. I've made some minor changes/additions to the Gordon Campbell article and also to BC Rail, there's quite a bit of outdated stuff hidden in the CN article (see [[Talk:Canadian National Railway]] for my comments about that), and before this is over we're going to need a few new bios, I'd say. One thing I did want to suggest, and I don't know where to take it up, is that [[BC Mary]] needs an article (I'm semi-COI so can't start it) as a now-highly-notable blogger, often cited in the mainstream press (not just Tieleman), but that given her inclusion of columns by [[Robin Matthews]] and others, she constitutes a formal reliable source for the entire history of the scandal, at least insofar as reporting ongoing events; to some degree even her POV opinions are noteworthy in teh same way those of an op-ed columnist can be....especially insofar as regards the "cone of silence" most of the major media have maintained on the case. I'll leave off now, just wanted to raise some issues, especially that last bit, as there's much that Robin Matthews has reported on that nobody in teh mainstream press has touched, even though he's been one of the only in-court observers when the media themselves were looking for something else to cover....thanks again, I'll do what I can with cites and tweaks, and be prepared for an edit war, I'm sure it's coming....[[User:Skookum1|Skookum1]] ([[User talk:Skookum1|talk]]) 02:03, 30 March 2009 (UTC) |
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Spencer Herbert
We'd certainly welcome content that goes into greater depth about his political views — but that should be done by adding original content that summarizes them, not just by cutting and pasting long passages from Hansard. A paragraph or two explaining the kinds of issues he's spoken about in the legislature, and thus putting them into context, would be an excellent addition to the article, if you're able to add it, but just listing quotes doesn't really add much to the encyclopedia. (If you need an example, look at the way Cheri DiNovo's article handles the $10 minimum wage campaign.) Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 07:10, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Complexity and volume
Hi Moonbug, thanks for your expansions of the Ledge Raids article....I've been meaning to "have a go" at the latest updates but between real life and distractions elsewhere in wiki-life, and also some previous experience with rescuing the article I've shied away from it...my bad, but I"m, as I've felt, too POV to have taken it on fairly (I'm a net-friend of BC Mary's, for one thing....). Even beyond this last week's revelations there's lots that's missing - the triple-whammy ministerial resignations (Clark, Collins and Plant - four if you count Coleman), the Kelly de Bruckyere connection, the hounding of the Victoria officer who fielded the "organized crime" statement, contrary to political directives not to say that, Oppal's comments in regard to the case which contradict his claim he can say nothing, Paul Nettleton's account/accusation of collusion in caucus meetings after the first LIberal victory, the delaying tactics in the courtroom and the unusual actions/proceedings of hte special prosecutor....and now all this. It is a bit overwhelming isn't it? It makes it and has made it all the more difficult that the "reliable sources" haven't been all that reliable and much actual news has been reported only in blogspace. I know you're only part way through your expansion so will not muddy the puddle in the article itself until you're done, and I hope the food and drink you had included a good stiff one, you'll need it. Among other things "out there" is the notion that some of the released material may include faked documents, meant to throw off the trail, and that there are still pages where the details are blanked out. The criticisms of ScotiaBank, the statements buy Feroequus and BNSF and the CPR about unfair process....even with all that I'm only scratching the surface of the very deep pond, and who knows what else is in those documents. When last there was a lot of activity on this article, there was some debate about what to call it, and I rather expect there should be again, as it's not just about the Legislature Raids and the case arising from that ("Basi-Virk"), it's about much more that reaches beyond the payments involving omniTRAX and the spur line, or the money laundering charges etc. Where I'm going with this ramble is to suggest that the Kinsella Affair is very much its own topic, perhaps that can just be Patrick Kinsella but then WP:BLP limitations come into play; the Sale of BC Rail Scandal is somewhat bigger than the Basi-Virk trial and was only revealed by the investigation into the omniTRAX payments, although it hasn't been dubbed that by the recalcitrant press. The Basi-Virk trial itself is a different article topic than the Ledge Raids per se, and at this point who knows what else will tur nup in the way of "NPOV forks"....Anyway again thanks for taking this on, "you're a braver wikipedian than I, Gunga Din", to paraphrase Kipling. I've made some minor changes/additions to the Gordon Campbell article and also to BC Rail, there's quite a bit of outdated stuff hidden in the CN article (see Talk:Canadian National Railway for my comments about that), and before this is over we're going to need a few new bios, I'd say. One thing I did want to suggest, and I don't know where to take it up, is that BC Mary needs an article (I'm semi-COI so can't start it) as a now-highly-notable blogger, often cited in the mainstream press (not just Tieleman), but that given her inclusion of columns by Robin Matthews and others, she constitutes a formal reliable source for the entire history of the scandal, at least insofar as reporting ongoing events; to some degree even her POV opinions are noteworthy in teh same way those of an op-ed columnist can be....especially insofar as regards the "cone of silence" most of the major media have maintained on the case. I'll leave off now, just wanted to raise some issues, especially that last bit, as there's much that Robin Matthews has reported on that nobody in teh mainstream press has touched, even though he's been one of the only in-court observers when the media themselves were looking for something else to cover....thanks again, I'll do what I can with cites and tweaks, and be prepared for an edit war, I'm sure it's coming....Skookum1 (talk) 02:03, 30 March 2009 (UTC)