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'''Graphist opinion:''' Hi S711, for me this is actually a fair amount of work, it is not a simple crop and move job, especially if it is to be left as an SVG. Unless another graphist wants to have a go at this, I'll try to get to it over the next week, but if others have any views for a speedy solution here, please chip in.--[[User:Goldsztajn|Goldsztajn]] ([[User talk:Goldsztajn|talk]]) 03:18, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion:''' Hi S711, for me this is actually a fair amount of work, it is not a simple crop and move job, especially if it is to be left as an SVG. Unless another graphist wants to have a go at this, I'll try to get to it over the next week, but if others have any views for a speedy solution here, please chip in.--[[User:Goldsztajn|Goldsztajn]] ([[User talk:Goldsztajn|talk]]) 03:18, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
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Olympic slogans

Articles: Chicago 2016 Olympic bid and Madrid 2016 Olympic bid

Request: Upload the Olympic slogans "Stir the Soul" ([1] [2]) and "Hola everyone" ([3] [4]) in SVG format, and as:

  • File:Chicago bid slogan for the 2016 Summer Olympics.svg
  • File:Madrid bid slogan for the 2016 Summer Olympics.svg

Example:

Regards; Felipe C.S ( talk ) 21:09, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:

Aren't these copyrighted? Are we allowed to upload vectorised versions? The Chicago one looks a bit tough, also! --Slashme (talk) 15:47, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing wrong with uploading vector non-free images--just make sure they are only rendered at web resolution on their articles. [|Retro00064|☎talk|✍contribs|] 02:50, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Comic artist for the Wikipedia Signpost

Not the usual request we see here, so sorry for it not following a strict pattern. I'm seeking an artist that has talent equal to or better than Greg Williams of WikiWorld. He dropped off the radar awhile ago. From his comments it might be better if a name besides "his" WikiWorld is used, but that's more of a personal option for the graphist.

  • Requirements: Work must be humorous, have text taken from an article on Wikipedia that is not modified, be in PNG file format as the end result, and have the appearance of a webcomic.

Other than that, you have free reign as far as your imagination goes. Some suggestions were left here that were never worked on if you need a jumpstart. Of course, before anything would get published it would have to go under the scrutinty of the editor-in-chief (currently Ragesoss) and possibly others at the Post. Multiple graphists are welcome to submit their work. I hope you guys enjoy this one, §hepTalk 01:55, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Would anybody be interested in giving this a try? §hepTalk 00:07, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments


Guatemala-Peten map

Article(s): at the moment Motul de San José, Holtun, Topoxte, Yaxha and possibly many more Maya sites in the future

Request: The selection of hotels (2,3,4) indicated in the map is biased and could be interpreted as advertising. There are many more hotels in the map area. Please remove items 2,3 and 4 from the map. (I did not post this on the map/lab, since no special mapmaking skills are necessary here. Just a bit of photoshop should do.)

Graphist opinion:

I'll do this one: It can become an SVG at the same time, and at no extra charge :-) --Slashme (talk) 15:53, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Great, thanks a lot. Since you are doing a new map anyway, you could contact User:Simon Burchell, who is very active on Maya stuff, for suggestions. bamse (talk) 16:31, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, my time ran out this evening before I finished, so I'll get back to it on Wednesday or so (Tomorrow is go night.) Thanks for the suggestion for help. I'll try to copy the diagram as faithfully as possible without the hotels. Still to come: Some text and an aeroplane icon. --Slashme (talk) 19:12, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Good job already. I suspect that the road from Santa Elena to Sayaxché deserves a thick yellow line. I traveled on it some six years ago and it was almost completed then. bamse (talk) 20:53, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OK, added the needed info before go. Please proofread. If the map you see doesn't have a legend, numbers, or an aeroplane, you need to update the bitmap. --Slashme (talk) 16:39, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent! Just some minor things.
  • I know that because of the limitations of the wikipedia svg renderer it is not easy to get a decent looking svg. It moves text in strange ways.
Actually, in this case, I'd made text to the left of a dot right-aligned and to the right of the dot left-aligned, so I wasn't too surprised at where it ended up.
  • So with some of the town labels it is not clear to which dot they belong (e.g.
    • San Andres,
Yes, my font was a bit wide here, so I made this span two lines.
  • San Benito, Santa Elena
Those were a bit of a challenge, and even the original was not so clear here, so I used your suggestion of lines to indicate which text goes with which dot.
  • Also some of the labels are above roads, rivers, etc. which makes them difficult to read. The latter can not always be avoided but
  • if you move San Miguel to the bottom right of the dot it should be fine.
Good idea, done.
    • In areas where it is very crowded like around Lago Peten Itza you could move labels a bit away on empty places and connect the label with a narrow line.
Done.
  • Maybe change colour of the lake labels to the same colour as the rivers/lake shore.
I didn't like this idea, but if you feel strongly, I can easily do it.
  • I'd also make the black circle around the red cities a bit more narrow
Done.
  • and move the triangles outside the map area such that they have equal distance to the map boundary.
Hmm, I'd tried to put the triangles the same distance to the edge of the green block, but OK, done.

Thanks a lot for your fast work. bamse (talk) 17:20, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

One more thing: Since the map is mainly in Spanish: change "Petencito Zoo" to "Zoológico Petencito" or change all "Lago" to "Lake" and "Biotopo" to "Biotope". bamse (talk) 17:25, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done. I guess if we need a Spanish map, it's easy to translate the SVG (A text editor should do the trick!). --Slashme (talk) 16:56, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
P.S: What is a good English translation for "Laguna"? Lacune or lagoon? --Slashme (talk) 16:59, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say lagoon, but I am not a native English speaker. Thanks once more for the map. Looks perfect now with the modified labels. PS: No, I don't feel strongly about the label colour. Was just an idea to show more clearly that the labels are for water bodies. I think it is very fine as it is now. Maybe "Yaxha lake" with a capital "L"? Just noticed now the river which ends in San Miguel (also in the png-map). It really ends there? bamse (talk) 22:34, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OK, done. I also don't know about the river. I guess it will have to stay like that for now. I put in "lagoon" but I have my doubts. Maybe it's just a small lake, so that we should say "lake" instead. --Slashme (talk) 19:03, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Reading lagoon maybe indeed "laguna" or "lake" would be more correct. bamse (talk) 23:45, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hard Kaur

Article(s): Hard Kaur

Request:

  • Remove audience hand.
  • Too much of red light, make more natural if possible.
  • Too wide, give proper proportion - crop empty spaces in the left and right, and perhaps a bit of empty space on the top.

Jay (talk) 10:11, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:

Interestingly enough, just boosting the green did the trick for the colour as far as I can tell. I did the crop and the hand removal as requested, but I actually think the original had a certain magic of its own: it shows the context very nicely; the audience hand and the red glow give atmosphere, and the Chinese Lantern gives a bit of context. But I guess the "fixed" one is a better portrait, so there is some merit in the change. You'll also notice that a higher jpg compression helped a lot to reduce the file size, but I know that's not a serious concern in this case, because most users would just see the thumbnail anyway. --Slashme (talk) 17:18, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
PS: You can compare the old and the new at File:Hard Kaur.jpg. Not sure how to get the old one into the gallery. There must be some trick for this? --Slashme (talk) 17:24, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, the trick is to not overwrite existing files if you think the original may be useful ;P -Andrew c [talk] 00:22, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, that's quite a clever trick ;-] --Slashme (talk) 19:09, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jay, can you get your friend to email you his or her permission so that we can satisfy the copyright-monster? I guess if you get him to scribble a note on a napkin and sign it, you could scan that in, email it and get a ticket too. --Slashme (talk) 17:17, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The modified image looks good. Now I need to find a way with the copyright format. Jay (talk) 12:44, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Sequoyah state seal

Article(s): State of Sequoyah

Request: SVGify... Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 06:47, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:

  • It is hard to resolve some of the details in the image. I can see the bow an arrow, possibly a plow and stack of wheat, a canoe... but the details are messy. A simple trace won't seem to do. It appears I would need additional information in order to accurately recreate this seal... -Andrew c [talk] 16:18, 15 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Ok, I made a B&W SVG of the Oklahoma seal. I'll see if I can't start to colorize it, and then also use some of the elements for the Sequoyah Seal. If anyone wants to tackle one of those tasks, that'd be helpful.-Andrew c [talk] 16:00, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've started on the colourisation, so I fished this one out of the archive. --Slashme (talk) 22:11, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Will you also tackle Sequoyah? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 01:04, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, I'll see how far I get. Everytime I start a chunk of work, I'll make a note here to "check out" the project, so that whoever else wants to work on it doesn't duplicate work. It'll probably be a multi-week effort, but it seems doable. --Slashme (talk) 10:42, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Do you need the B&W version of the state seal as well, as it appears someone... has overwritten it? Anyway, sorry I dropped the ball on this. I didn't like the direction my color version was going so I sort of gave up. I have uploaded my latest version. It's more complete than the last rough draft, but still not exactly there. If someone wants to tweak mine, that'd be great. If someone wants to do one on their own and throw mine out, fine as well. What do you think of the latest color SVG version?-Andrew c [talk] 18:39, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Slashme's brown-and-yellow fimbriation of the star is closer to the original. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 10:43, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Heraldic lions (attitudes)

Article(s): Lion (heraldry), Attitude (heraldry)

Request: I'm asking for vector images as examples of each position used in heraldry, roughly based upon File:Lion rampant.svg and File:Heraldique meuble lion passant.svg. Please also see the section on lions at this page as a general reference. Feel free to refer to my sandbox to see where I'm going with this. Also note that all lions should face left, as a lion facing right is "toward sinister", a lion looking over its shoulder is described as "regardant", and a lion looking toward the viewer is described as "guardant". For example, this lion is "couchant guardant", and this lion is "sejant regardant". Wilhelm_meis (talk) 04:54, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:

  • Well, I spent quite some time a few weeks ago making these images
Might I suggest that these be used as a reference rather than that quite simplistic and untidy-looking lion rampant and passant you give? Admittedly, it's harder to draw them in this style, but if we were to have a whole matching set like this, the effect would be quite striking, I think. I have other commitments right now, but I might make a few up in a couple of week's time. Inductiveload (talk) 09:22, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Long tail

Article(s): Long tail

Request: This chart burns my eyes. Can someone here make it less garish? Anything conveying the basic concept would work fine in the article, I think, so don't worry about copying this totally literally. (The "bigger" and "longer" labels, for instance, aren't really necessary.) Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:35, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The more I look at this, the worse it is. Why are some of the lines green and the others gray? Why is 20% labeled when this is just a rough graphic illustrating a general concept? ... Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:38, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: How does that look? It's much less busy than the prev image. Does there need to be anything else? Do you want smooth lines instead? --Pbroks13talk? 06:51, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think that's fine. Smooth lines might be good, but I'm not really invested in this. I was just dropping by the article and was slightly horrified at what i saw. :) Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:32, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
hah, gotcha. glad I could help! --Pbroks13talk? 06:36, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, I made the lines smooth, put in proper axes and de-emphasised the vertical gridlines as it's only a rough graph, but I feel they add a certain sense of the relative balance of the graph. Feel free to revert if you don't like it. Inductiveload (talk) 09:09, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Per the article, I'm pretty sure the 20% line needs bolded. §hepTalk 03:31, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It would need two, one for each line, to make the point clearly. The existing image doesn't make this distincion, and the 20% line only refers to the "old" market line. I'll put them in later. Inductiveload (talk) 07:19, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Attila in Gaul - bad map colors

Article(s): Attila the Hun and others

Request: There was a request left on the talk page that this image be altered so that the arrows are not red and green as color-blind readers are not able to distinguish them. Rmhermen (talk) 01:49, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: Done, converted to black and grey.--Goldsztajn (talk) 03:51, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved

Article(s): Pakistan International Airlines

Request: Remove logo per WP:logo and also add spain to PIA destinations as here [5] yousaf465' 07:57, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: Looks like someones already done that. Resolved? --Pbroks13talk? 20:39, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Could I ask about the colors of the islands between Russian and Japan? If this image is by countries, shouldn't those be colored green to match the countries they are part of? Thanx, 76.117.247.55 (talk) 23:50, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, Hokaiddo and Sakhalin should be coloured. Also fixed up Canada (Victoria Island and Arctic Islands), East Timor, Philippines. Made image file smaller, seems unnecessarily large. At some stage should probably be recreated as SVG. --Goldsztajn (talk) 00:24, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shaheen Air International

Article(s): Shaheen Air International

Request: Remove the container nad improve the image overall. yousaf465' 08:59, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: How does this look?-Andrew c [talk] 16:29, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gas use / density

Article(s): Urban planning

Request: Could someone vectorize this? I think it would provide a more useful product (especially for those who wish to print) and will make it more easily editable in the future.

Actually, does anyone have access to that article linked as the source? I think our best bet would be to transcribe the relevant data and rebuild and paste the data as the source so that it can be plotted on precise data points and not just traced. If someone has access to the article and could do it that would be great. If not I can send you pictures of the data from the article. gren グレン 22:03, 24 March 2009 (UTC) http://www.sendspace.com/file/5jh202[reply]

Graphist opinion: Just commenting here - this would indeed be much better done by recreating the graph from the original data, not tracing. As such, we need to find the original data - note there is also a lot of commentary on the image's talk page about this. —Vanderdeckenξφ 12:29, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The original data is in the PDF I linked to! gren グレン 21:55, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I checked the linked PDF and while I didn't read the article, nothing popped out supplying the data which would allow us to recreate the image above. Have I missed this? Can you supply an exact page number which provides the precise data for the graph? --Goldsztajn (talk) 03:09, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hyatt Regency walkway details

Article(s): Structural engineering, Hyatt Regency walkway collapse, Current Valued Pictures Candidate

Request: A request has been made at WP:VPC that the titles for (a) and (b) read "Original design" and "Actual construction", rather than "Original Design" and "Actual Construction", respectively. Should be quick to fix. Also, this actual file is up for deletion (I just moved it to Commons), so please overwrite the Commons version, not the local copy (unless the local copy has been deleted by the time you get to this-then disregard). Thanks! ~ ωαdεstεr16«talkstalk» 23:16, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: I recreated all the text as editable text as it was all vector shapes and it will be easier for other projects to edit into other languages. Decapitalized words as requested, uploaded over. File is 1/3 of the size now too. Mfield (Oi!) 05:46, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yea, I opened this in Inkscape and was trying to figure out why they were shapes and not letters. Yes, a bump that small will scare me away from dealing with SVGs, hehe. Thanks for the help. ~ ωαdεstεr16«talkstalk» 06:00, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think it was so that MediaWiki wouldn't render the text funny at the time. I guess the renderer is better at handling text now =). --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 19:46, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Tag as resolved?--Goldsztajn (talk) 05:15, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Underspanned suspension bridge

Resolved

Article(s): Suspension bridge types, Underspanned suspension bridge

Request: Please vectorize. In addition, consider this the "left" half of the bridge and create a mirror image of the given image and "complete" the bridge, so it's not just half. ¡Muchas gracias! ~ ωαdεstεr16«talkstalk» 05:58, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: Not sure if I have done this correctly, but hope this is what is wanted.--Goldsztajn (talk) 11:06, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Perfect! ~ ωαdεstεr16«talkstalk» 16:51, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Not perfect I'm afraid - that SVG doesn't thumbnail properly and is far too detailed - even including JPG compression! We need a more advanced SVG maker on this. —Vanderdeckenξφ 21:06, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Reworked...and, young boy, I am well advanced, thank you very much. :) --Goldsztajn (talk) 00:32, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No personal offence meant, old man. :P I don't touch SVGs with a bargepole, so you're all wonderfully advanced from my perspective. I'm also a harsh critic, and I must say the new version is beautiful, much better. :D —Vanderdeckenξφ 15:22, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Any objections to marking this resolved?--Goldsztajn (talk) 00:25, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Nope, it's all you. ~ ωαdεstεr16«talkstalk» 02:12, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Andorra

Article(s): Andorra

Request: Translate into English, so it can be used here at English Wikipedia. 92.21.152.37 (talk) 14:54, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: I didn't translate the names of the mountains, passes and rivers as these seem to have been left in the other versions. Just translated the legend, the country names, capital name and mountain range (Eastern Pyrenees).--Goldsztajn (talk) 01:47, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Any objections to marking this resolved?--Goldsztajn (talk) 00:26, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

University of Valle

Article(s): University of Valle#Organization

Request: Some diagrams are needed for the Organization section. A general organization diagram can be found in this file. Other diagrams for the faculties, institutes, and other dependencies can be found in this file. I'll be glad to help in the translation of the names from Spanish. Andremun (talk) 03:45, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: Hi, there is a large amount of material in the linked PDFs and a few questions arise: the material seems mostly to be dated from 2003...given universities and their propensity to bureaucratically reorganise at OCD-like frequencies; is producing material like this only going to become obsolete quite quickly? Second, perhaps all the material does not need to be converted...if can you be specific about exactly what you want it would be easier. I take it the first diagram [6] is a must, but can you confirm it is current and not about to be made obsolete? --Goldsztajn (talk) 23:01, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Thanks for the reply. Unless a mayor change in the Colombian law for higher education, the main diagram would not change. The last major change for the law was in 1993, and its possible it would not change in the near future. As for the other diagrams, for now they might not be needed, unless an independent article for each unit is created. -Andremun (talk) 03:52, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I can convert this PDF [7] to an SVG (or a JPEG), but I need a license for the file, I can't just assume this is public domain. Once I can get a license I'm happy to mock up an image, I'll translate what I can and you can correct and help me with the rest.--Goldsztajn (talk) 00:58, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Map

  • Map

  • Request: Could anyone help me by cutting off the top part of the map (just below Gibraltar) and putting the frame with explanations of the symbols etc. that is now in the upper right corner over the frame that is now in the lower left corner (excluding the title "Roman empire in 45 AD" and everything below the word Colchis). I would be very grateful.S711 (talk) 07:55, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Won't you pleease help me, help me?S711 (talk) 19:19, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: Hi S711, for me this is actually a fair amount of work, it is not a simple crop and move job, especially if it is to be left as an SVG. Unless another graphist wants to have a go at this, I'll try to get to it over the next week, but if others have any views for a speedy solution here, please chip in.--Goldsztajn (talk) 03:18, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Great!!85.144.206.40 (talk) 10:47, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Newspaper Restoration

Article(s): Kung Kao Po

Request: Please restore the image (eg. remove scratch and fold marks, etc.) Jackl 13:37, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: Hi. The original image quality of this is low. Removing the fold marks would be easier if a higher resolution, better quality image was available. Can you contact the editor who contributed the image and get an image at 300dpi (the current image is 96dpi)? I can work with this image, but would prefer if it was possible to have higher quality. Also, re the "scratches"....um, it's not scratches but the trails of bugs who've been happily munching away at this document. I can crop out the trails from the sides of the image, but in the parts of the image which includes Chinese text I can't really replace the correct characters (doi bu qi). --Goldsztajn (talk) 01:11, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

SVG problem

Request: I've translated French version of this file, into Russian, so that our Graphic Lab could use it too. French file is only 214 kb, and this one turned out to be 1mb. Also there are severe problems with fonts and Russian letters. I've tried several times to save the new svg in different way (save with all glyphs for example), but the only thing it did was make it even bigger and worse. Could someone try fixing the fonts problem and the size of the file? Also please explain how did you do it. (I use Illustrator) --Ahnode (talk) 15:05, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:

Vectorization

Resolved
76.117.247.55 (talk) 19:20, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articels: Federal depository library

Request: SVGify 76.117.247.55 (talk) 23:52, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: OK?--Goldsztajn (talk) 01:55, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looks exactly correct to me. 76.117.247.55 (talk) 19:20, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Plaque

Request: Straighten and crop, if possible remove the black from "SA OVOG MJESTA". PRODUCER (talk) 17:46, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: How's that. I left a little surrounding brickwork for context on the size of the plaque rather than cropping it to the text. Mfield (Oi!) 18:03, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looks great PRODUCER (talk) 19:19, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]