Talk:Mount Shasta

Status

So is it inactive or active? Just a simple Yes or no answer would be appriciated, no long descriptive answers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.213.89.2 (talk) 18:36, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

elevation

Well, 14,179 is certainly not well-known. Have you corrected the height number in every reference to Shasta thoughout Wikipedia? Are there other similar errors for U.S. mountains?

NorCalHistory 06:15, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

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every quad map i've seen uses 14,162

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Elevations on the USGS quad maps are not the most up to date elevations, because they are only updated every couple of decades or so.

To find the best elevation of a mountain, visit the National Geodetic Survey web site http://www.ngs.noaa.gov . Click on "datasheets". Click on the "DATASHEETS" button. Click on "Radial Search". Now, you can search for benchmarks near any spot in the US.

For Mount Shasta, enter N412433 for Latitude, W1221142 for Longitude. Click the "Submit" button. Click "Select All". Click "Get Datasheets". Scroll down towards bottom of page. See where it says NAVD 88 ? That's the elevation in the NAVD88 coordinate system, as of the epoch date (here, 1991). It says 14179 feet. That's the latest, most accurate, elevation.

-- hike395 13:25, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

--- thanks for the good information

Looks like we're revisiting this issue again --- the 14179 foot elevation is from the NGS, in the NAVD88 coordinate system. I've reproduced the datasheet, below, as evidence. I'll revert back to 14179.

1        National Geodetic Survey,   Retrieval Date = AUGUST 13, 2006
MX1016 ***********************************************************************
MX1016  DESIGNATION -  MT SHASTA
MX1016  PID         -  MX1016
MX1016  STATE/COUNTY-  CA/SISKIYOU
MX1016  USGS QUAD   -  MT SHASTA (1986)
MX1016
MX1016                         *CURRENT SURVEY CONTROL
MX1016  ___________________________________________________________________
MX1016* NAD 83(1992)-  41 24 33.10572(N)    122 11 41.59809(W)     ADJUSTED  
MX1016* NAVD 88     -      4321.8    (meters)   14179.     (feet)  VERTCON   
MX1016  ___________________________________________________________________
MX1016  EPOCH DATE  -        1991.35
MX1016  LAPLACE CORR-          -8.40  (seconds)                    DEFLEC99
MX1016  GEOID HEIGHT-         -23.40  (meters)                     GEOID03
MX1016
MX1016  HORZ ORDER  -  THIRD
MX1016
MX1016.The horizontal coordinates were established by classical geodetic methods
MX1016.and adjusted by the National Geodetic Survey in March 1994..
MX1016.The horizontal coordinates are valid at the epoch date displayed above.
MX1016.The epoch date for horizontal control is a decimal equivalence
MX1016.of Year/Month/Day.
MX1016
MX1016.The NAVD 88 height was computed by applying the VERTCON shift value to
MX1016.the NGVD 29 height (displayed under SUPERSEDED SURVEY CONTROL.)
MX1016
MX1016.The Laplace correction was computed from DEFLEC99 derived deflections.
MX1016
MX1016.The geoid height was determined by GEOID03.
MX1016
MX1016;                    North         East     Units Scale Factor Converg.
MX1016;SPC CA 1     -   730,521.333 1,983,705.772   MT  0.99994479   -0 07 38.8
MX1016;SPC CA 1     - 2,396,718.74  6,508,208.02   sFT  0.99994479   -0 07 38.8
MX1016;UTM  10      - 4,584,496.046   567,290.909   MT  0.99965572   +0 31 57.2
MX1016
MX1016!             -  Elev Factor  x  Scale Factor =   Combined Factor
MX1016!SPC CA 1     -   0.99932624  x   0.99994479  =   0.99927107
MX1016!UTM  10      -   0.99932624  x   0.99965572  =   0.99898219
MX1016
MX1016                          SUPERSEDED SURVEY CONTROL
MX1016
MX1016  NAD 83(1986)-  41 24 33.10402(N)    122 11 41.59988(W) AD(1984.00) 3
MX1016  NAD 27      -  41 24 33.55600(N)    122 11 37.56700(W) AD(       ) 3
MX1016  NGVD 29 (07/19/86) 4320.0    (m)        14173.     (f) VERT ANG       
MX1016
MX1016.Superseded values are not recommended for survey control.
MX1016.NGS no longer adjusts projects to the NAD 27 or NGVD 29 datums.
MX1016.See file dsdata.txt to determine how the superseded data were derived.
MX1016
MX1016_U.S. NATIONAL GRID SPATIAL ADDRESS: 10TEL6729184496(NAD 83)
MX1016_MARK LOGO: USGS  
MX1016
MX1016  HISTORY     - Date     Condition        Report By
MX1016  HISTORY     - 1952     MONUMENTED       CGS
MX1016
MX1016                          STATION DESCRIPTION
MX1016
MX1016'DESCRIBED BY COAST AND GEODETIC SURVEY 1952 (WRH)
MX1016'THE STATION IS LOCATED ABOUT 10 MILES AIRLINE EAST OF WEED, 9-1/2
MX1016'MILES NORTHEAST OF THE TOWN OF MT. SHASTA, ON THE HIGH NORTHWEST
MX1016'SPUR OF MT. SHASTA.
MX1016'
MX1016'THE STATION IS A STATION OF THE U.S. GEOLOGICAL SURVEY AND WAS
MX1016'NOT VISITED BY THIS PARTY.  A FLAGED TARGET OVER THE STATION WAS
MX1016'INTERSECTED.

Volume

This article says that Mt. Shasta is the most voluminous volcano in the Cascade Range at 450 cubic kM, yet the article on the nearby Medicine Lake volcano states that it is also most voluminous volcano in the Cascade Range at 600 kM. I don't know which is correct, but it should be resolved.

According to (Wood 1990) Shasta is the largest startovolcano at ~350 cubic km while Medicine Lake is the largest volcano at ~600 cubic km. I'll look into making updates. --Burntnickel 23:55, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I don't need to make any updates as the articles are both already correct. --Burntnickel 00:04, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Mount Sisson?

I think someone was confused when they said Mt. Shasta was once called Mt. Sisson. The town was once named Sisson, and renamed to Mount Shasta, but the mountain has been known by some variant of its current name since the mid-19th century (see http://www.shastahome.com/visitors.htm and http://www.siskiyous.edu/shasta/bib/B14.htm) Gwimpey 02:15, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Images

Needs to wait for a ==History== section to be placed in this article.

Clarence King exploring the Whitney Glacier in 1870. This was the first glacier in the continental United States discovered and named. It was named for Josiah Whitney, head of the California Geological Survey.

Anonymous Editing

Dear Anonymous Editor (IP 209.232.215.253):

Please do not make anonymous edits, and then refuse to discuss your point of view. Please see Wikipedia:Resolving_disputes.

NorCalHistory 21:27, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Corrected rank in California

The previous rank was based on peakware.com, which is a very unreliable source. Look at fourteeners for the relevant other peaks (look for "California"). -- Spireguy 04:28, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Added to Cultural References

I have come across something that might be helpful to the cultural references section, so I added that.

Forgot to sign. --RainStarDragon 00:17, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Climate chart

Two questions: (1) would the climate chart be more appropriate at Mount Shasta, California? The weather station in question is not on top of the mountain, after all. (2) Is the chart a copyvio? I don't think so, since most of the content is purely factual (the numbers) and the format has been changed a bit---it's not the exact same HTML. But I didn't want to move it myself before I heard other opinions. -- Spireguy 14:14, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Repeated removal of references by anon IP editor

NOTE: Three lengthy sections of this talk page have been moved to /Archive 1, in order to refocus this page on discussion about improving the article. Any further reference deletions or disruptive edits by that anon editor should be reported to WP:AIV, along with a link to the detailed list of the anon IP's edits at /Abuse. Thanks. --Seattle Skier (talk) 04:01, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

However, one should read the archive and duly note the controversy surrounding some of the edits by Seattle Skier. 75.10.53.124 01:29, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

If you have problems with a particular edit to the article, feel free to discuss the substance of your concerns, but please do not misrepresent others' actions. I believe the "controversy" was primarily about misleading edit summaries (whether intentional or not) in a series of anonymous edits aiming to remove certain references from the article. -- Avenue 01:57, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Never the less, readers should explore the controversy and form their own opinions. Canned opinions like the ones above are dangerous to individual thought. 75.10.53.124 07:23, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Follow-up: Seattle Skier is currently being investigated for fabricating his academic achievements and is not a viable editorial source. 63.207.227.105 18:12, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Please do not make unsupported, irrelevant personal attacks. -- Spireguy 19:08, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

UPDATE - One of the references in the June 07 discussion has been removed again several times by another anonymous IP address. Consensus last time was that the ref should be kept, if you disagree with that please discuss it here first rather than removing it again. Eve (talk) 11:04, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Lemurians

"Many people clain to have encountered Lemuians on (Mt.) Shasta" needs a citation. By the way, what kinds of plants grow there? Pustelnik (talk) 02:20, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Indigenous name

Why is only the Karuk name, which doesn't look/sound like "Shasta", featured in the intro only? There are other indigenous names, I'd think (Modoc, for instance). This paragraph:

The historic eruption of Mount Shasta in 1786 may have been observed by la Perouse, but this is disputed. Although perhaps first seen by Spanish explorers, the first reliably-reported land sighting of Mount Shasta by a European or American was by Peter Skene Ogden (a leader of a Hudson's Bay Company trapping brigade) in 1826. In 1827, the name "Sasty" or "Sastise" was given to nearby Mount McLoughlin by Ogden. (The name was transferred to present-day Mount Shasta in 1841, partly as a result of work by the United States Exploring Expedition).

...gives a notion as to the origin, but why did PS Ogden give it this name? Was it from an indigenous informant, and from which language?Skookum1 (talk) 15:03, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

And how it was the Spanish, who did not cross the coastal ranges or even get to their summits, were able to "perhaps" see Mount Shasta.....its plume maybe, but most likely it would look just like a big thunderhead....especially from as far away as the coast.Skookum1 (talk) 15:05, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

interesting facts

lucero esta buena damn mami ven —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.78.225.115 (talk) 17:56, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Climbing Mt. Shasta

Hi, I am the author of the book titled Climbing Mt. Shasta at www.climbingmtshasta.com. I would like to have my Climber's Guide at www.climbingmtshasta.org linked with your external links on the the following page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Shasta. The Climber's Guide was the first ever online website about climbing Mt. Shasta and it's been online since 1996. I do have a link to your site on my home page too. Thank you so much for your consideration.