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== Scope == |
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What's the scope of this article? If it's just the "expression", fine. Or else, I'm thinking of citing some [[couplet]]s from [[Tirukkural]] that exhort this "virtue" by saying "a good friend is someone who's tough with you when needed." -- [[User:Sundar|Sundar]] <sup>\[[User talk:Sundar|talk]] \[[Special:Contributions/Sundar|contribs]]</sup> 12:55, 26 September 2006 (UTC) |
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The External links are obviously biased. I think an interesting discussion would be secular vs religious tough love programs and the driving ideology dominating the facilities that are suffering the highest abuse rates. Facilities that are used as nationalist Christian training camps are obviously dysfunctional. But that isn't the purposed of tough love. Tough love is acceptance of the principle that HELPING a person destroy themselves and others is behavior in need of social intervention. |
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[[User:75.15.132.113|75.15.132.113]] 01:57, 5 December 2006 (UTC) |
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Speaking as someone who has survived 2 of these programs, I can assure you that it's not just the Christian training camps that are doing this. Read the news links for yourself- most aren't religiously affiliated. If you'd like some cold, hard facts about how many children/teenagers have DIED in the care of these facilities, check out this site. http://www.caica.org/NEWS%20Deaths%20List%20of%20Names%20-names%20omitted.htm Facts don't really lie, I've yet to see any positive reports about centers like WWASPS that weren't proven to be planted by employees. With the CAICA site, it's nice to put pictures of the deceased children with names and statistics about how they died. Maybe then you'll slightly understand. [[User:76.185.121.215|76.185.121.215]] 10:02, 13 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:Edit to add: the vast majority of the deaths were either in state-funded, non religious programs, or WWASP centers and CEDU clones- definitely not religious programs. The closest thing they have to religion is convincing parents that it helped their children, even after they commit suicide upon leaving the program. |
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Quote from a hanged boy's mother: |
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"Without the program, Corey would never have had a vehicle for his power and his 'highs.' ... I KNOW I did everything I could for Corey, and I don't regret for a moment that he was involved in this program. ... I only wish Corey had been less successful at concealing his pain and his morbid sense of failure. |
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"Many others manage to survive — BECAUSE OF THIS PROGRAM AND THE HELP IT GAVE THEM." |
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source: http://www.denver-rmn.com/news/0702core5.shtml <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.185.121.215|76.185.121.215]] ([[User talk:76.185.121.215|talk]]) 10:12, 13 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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This article was nominated for deletion on 033006. The result of the discussion was keep. |
Scope
What's the scope of this article? If it's just the "expression", fine. Or else, I'm thinking of citing some couplets from Tirukkural that exhort this "virtue" by saying "a good friend is someone who's tough with you when needed." -- Sundar \talk \contribs 12:55, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Discussion
The External links are obviously biased. I think an interesting discussion would be secular vs religious tough love programs and the driving ideology dominating the facilities that are suffering the highest abuse rates. Facilities that are used as nationalist Christian training camps are obviously dysfunctional. But that isn't the purposed of tough love. Tough love is acceptance of the principle that HELPING a person destroy themselves and others is behavior in need of social intervention.
75.15.132.113 01:57, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Speaking as someone who has survived 2 of these programs, I can assure you that it's not just the Christian training camps that are doing this. Read the news links for yourself- most aren't religiously affiliated. If you'd like some cold, hard facts about how many children/teenagers have DIED in the care of these facilities, check out this site. http://www.caica.org/NEWS%20Deaths%20List%20of%20Names%20-names%20omitted.htm Facts don't really lie, I've yet to see any positive reports about centers like WWASPS that weren't proven to be planted by employees. With the CAICA site, it's nice to put pictures of the deceased children with names and statistics about how they died. Maybe then you'll slightly understand. 76.185.121.215 10:02, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
- Edit to add: the vast majority of the deaths were either in state-funded, non religious programs, or WWASP centers and CEDU clones- definitely not religious programs. The closest thing they have to religion is convincing parents that it helped their children, even after they commit suicide upon leaving the program.
Quote from a hanged boy's mother: "Without the program, Corey would never have had a vehicle for his power and his 'highs.' ... I KNOW I did everything I could for Corey, and I don't regret for a moment that he was involved in this program. ... I only wish Corey had been less successful at concealing his pain and his morbid sense of failure.
"Many others manage to survive — BECAUSE OF THIS PROGRAM AND THE HELP IT GAVE THEM." source: http://www.denver-rmn.com/news/0702core5.shtml —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.185.121.215 (talk) 10:12, 13 October 2007 (UTC)