Talk:List of Naruto characters

Don't Erase Team Ebisu

Not cool.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.151.58.133 (talk) 03:54, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

No confirmation of Hinata's death

Everyone continues to believe that Hinata is dead, when there is basically no proof that she has died - she may just be knocked down. Until another character proves that she is dead then it is generally best to alter the information regarding her alleged death until it is properly confirmed. Evilgidgit (talk) 10:52, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

True. Wait until next week or the chapter where her condition has been confirmed. Many speculate that she is. Many say that she isn't. Any info included should be limited to only what we know as of now. Fox816 (talk) 22:08, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

It Dosent look to me like shes dead Poohman0 (talk) 02:22, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

We'll know by next week (Hopefully, then again, Kakashi is not confirmed yet either). If not, Kishi should tell us eventually. Hopefully with the addition of one word, the edit warring will stop. DaisukeVulgar (talk) 02:27, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

This information is not needed in the article. I feel that the information regarding the recent chapter of the Naruto Manga on Hinata and her speculated "death", should not be added to the article for several reasons, it serves as a major spoiler for fans of the series who do not read the manga, are new and so on, it is also mostly speculation, Hinata has not been confirmed "dead" and she was not "stabbed", she was however blocked from readers view by rubble, meaning that her being stabbed is still speculation and has not yet been confirmed. JoycieC (talk) 02:31, 28 February 2009

Wikipedia does not hide spoilers, it's an Encyclopedia of information for everyone, not just for one sect, for example "Those who are just getting into Naruto". Thus it's not important to remove information like this. Otherwise we'd be removing everything from chapter 2 onwards for those just getting into it if we were to only accommodate to newcomers to the series. True her 'stabbing' was not shown, that is why I have added 'seemingly' as it caters to those who think she was stabbed, and those who don't think she has been. Surely you cannot still have a problem with this? DaisukeVulgar (talk) 02:34, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't mean to sound arrogant, by all means, it's just that from personal experience with spoilers that I really felt were completely unnecessary which have ruined a series I myself had been enjoying for a long time, I just don't feel that others should have that same sort of feeling by mistakingly reading something that will ruin part of the story. On the stabbing note, very well "seemingly" is fine, let's leave it at that then. However, not just because of the spoiler involved etc, I feel that this information is to be honest, completely unnecessary, it serves little purpose to the article in my opinion, but I think that it could be more suited to the article if left until more information is confirmed, that way we can get rid of speculation and provide real information. JoycieC (talk) 02:39, 28 February 2009

(edit conflict)"Seemingly" is open to claims of original research. While I agree she was almost certainly stabbed, that's not enough for Wikipedia. Clear evidence either from the manga or the author need to be shown as it is obviously a controversial statement. That she fought pain and confessed to Naruto and he got angry after her brief battle is verifiable. The rest is pure conjecture.じんない 02:48, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I can agree on what you've put now in the place of 'seemingly', this will hopefully make everyone happy, whether you're pro-stabbing, or against-stabbing. If any bit of that was to be taken out, I believed it was that, but to have the confession taken out, I completely disagreed on. Like I said, hopefully we shall know the true results soon, until then, I see no reason for this edit warring to continue, we've reached a suitable agreement I'd say. Always worthwhile using the discussion. Oh and on the spoiler subject, I agree that spoiler is an annoying thing to read, especially for newcomers, but it's not just for them, it's for the veterans of the series to who wish to recap incase they have forgotten something important perhaps. DaisukeVulgar (talk) 02:59, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

You bring up valid points which I can agree on, spoilers/information regarding a subject can sometimes ruin something for somebody but you bring a valid point up for those who would like to refer back to old events in the series, I myself have done that so I will back down from the confession, but let's leave the "stabbing" incident until conformation in the next few weeks, so let's leave it all as it is for now and just see how it goes. JoycieC (talk) 03:13, 28 February 2009

I'm glad this was resolved civilly. We will indeed wait for more information and confirmation before writing up the if she was stabbed or not, just saying she confronted Pain sounds reasonable enough. DaisukeVulgar (talk) 03:21, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, that sounds reasonable enough. :) JoycieC (talk) 03:30, 28 February 2009

I made a small rewrite to the information, staying concise and neutral while expanding more on what had happened in the latest chaper.

Current ~ "Before her confrontation with Pain and subsequent defeat, Hinata confesses her love to Naruto."

Previous~ "Hinata eventually confesses her love for Naruto, shortly before attacking Pain."

I'm bringing this up since an anonymous user reverted my edit, apparently disagreeing. The previous line does not state what happened to her after attacking Pain. It would be best to include that information, not leaving things on a cliffhanger since the manga already showed explicitly what happened. She was, in fact, defeated in battle. Whether or not she died, stabbed, etc...is up in the air and as such I avoided stating that in my edit. Basically, I made sure the facts are all there. There should be no problems. Fox816 (talk) 17:09, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

The only reason I wanted you to come to the discussion was because of the warring yesterday and that, given that we all reached an agreement previously, it should not just be changed without others input. Your change does indeed remain neutral. Does anyone else have an objection to it? DaisukeVulgar (talk) 17:19, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

My edit should not have warranted two reverts (General Notice for Users: Take Note of the Three-Revert-Rule Please. It applies per person, not per account.) and a forced discussion. Careful consideration of what I wrote shows that I steered clear of conflicting what had been agreed here and made the information more clear and whole. I did not believe my edit was controversial or needed agreement on. Assuming that, I do apologize for not bringing it up here first. To be fair, edits that correct the sentence and stay in line with what is agreed here should be permitted without reverting or discussion. Only if it is seen as controversial should a revert be necessary. Simply reverting to force a discussion, especially if you agree with the edit in the first place, is not good edit etiquette and puts that user on the block for violating the Three-Revert-Rule. Fox816 (talk) 17:42, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Just to note I won't change the edit back to how I wrote it until it's green, so as to avoid any more unnecessary conflict. Fox816 (talk) 17:44, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Again, while I almost personally agree that Hinata was defeated, because often we have seen characters in Naruto seemingly knocked down at the end of a chapter only to rise back up the next it is a contriversial statement, even for Hinata. This is because if we used her relative power to Pain that would be synthesis. Therefore we can only know she confessed her love to Naruto and attacked Pain.じんない 06:34, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

I believe with 438 out we can see that Hinata is alive. Hopefully no more edit warring will happen should this page be unlocked. DaisukeVulgar (talk) 05:09, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Cant you guys just simply lock it?Haseo445 (talk) 15:53, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Already been done, however this article is starting to resemble a fansite, so I suggest people start toning down what they add to the article and remember to follow the rules, add spoilers so long as it contributes, not just "because it happened", Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a weekly update page for fans. 91.104.22.8 (talk) 18:18, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

This article is starting to resemble a fansite

It's locked for now, but this article is starting to resemble a fansite that's being updated weekly, an example of this would be the recent "hinata" incident, where hordes of edits were applied claiming she is alive, dead and so on, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and it should be treated as such, the recent edits containing information so far into the series are irrelevant and unnecessary, I suggest that when this is unlocked people stop editting it, read it and check for any information that does not belong or isn't needed, for example the incident regarding Hinata and confessing to Naruto, the incident with Shizune and her "soul being removed", Gaara and Jaraiya's sections are perfect examples of how it should be, unlike Hinata and Shizune's. 91.104.22.8 (talk) 18:32, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

The additions to Hinata and Shizune's sections are appropriate given the significance of those events to the character (profession of love and death respectively). Jiraiya and Gaara's sections are the way they are because they each have their own article, so any plot developments pertaining to them are detailed there. ~SnapperTo 21:13, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Are you not aware of how much unneccesary information is being injected into this article? the article is pretty much turning out to be a weekly update page for fans, and the edit history will back this up, which is why I'm suggesting that the article be reviewed and editted accordingly by somebody who will do a proper job, spoilers are one thing, but when the article basically becomes a train full of unneeded passengers, it gets crowded, and with a crowd there's bound to be some people that do not need to be there, I use that example for this article, because it's turning into a page where fans can just edit it every single week when a new episode/chapter is released, this is what locked the article in the first place with all the edits, and with so much information that is not needed, the article is straying from the original goal of being part of an encyclopedia and turning into a page that resembles a fansite, a very unorganised one at that. The need for information beyond their personality, name, age and other such is unneccasary and should not be added because it is straying from the original reason for Wikipedia existing in the first place. 91.104.18.166 (talk) 23:55, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Care to give some specific examples. I'd certainly argue that information on a character's role in the plot is pretty important to note. It gives context for why they're actually on the list. Certainly trivial details should be left out, and everything doesn't need to be noted, but things such as Hinata's confession (a huge moment for her character) and Shizune's death (which is pretty important to note, seeing as she, you know, dies) are not trivial information.kuwabaratheman (talk) 23:57, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

The two most recent additions to the article have been Shizune's death and Hinata's confession. In that time there have been ten chapters. That amounts to an average of one update every month. A [series of] weekly update[s] would be, "Shizune thinks she finds out who Pain is. Then she confirms it. After that she tries telling ppl. Recently, she tried telling Tsunade, but was captured. Then she was dead. Maybe. Then she was for sure dead. Also, Naruto learned Sage Mode. That's not really relevant to Shizune but you should probably know. And I heard that Sage Mode is like Super Saiyan or something. But seriously, Shizune's dead. I'm sad. Her character was so built up over the last month that it's disappointing she went and died. Stupid Pain. I hate him no matter how cool he is. I hope Naruto kills him or learns him some manners. Oh, and when I said 'recently' I meant then, as in when I wrote it. Not now. I don't pay much attention to what the thing says because I just shovel new developments on to the end of the paragraph every week." See? A weekly update would amount to a paragraph-long description that would be better off as a sentence. Not the case here. ~SnapperTo 03:27, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Your examples support the counter-argument since these are serious moments for each character. If you can cite other examples you think should be removed, then that is open to discussion. If they are deaths or major events that a significant amount of development has gone into FE: numerous chapters and scenes went into developing Hinata's shyness and inability to tell Naruto her feelings. It was a major part of her character. Telling Naruto about her feelings amounts to serious character development.じんない 06:40, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

i believe it wouldn't sound like fanfic or fandubbed if you could just simply describe it briefly. it wont hurt the article to have some additional information. anyways.... if things like describing there own view, than we would have to revert it back.Haseo445 (talk) 17:10, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

If you think it needs some cleanup for prose or some statments, go ahead and say so. For the latter though, you probably should be more familiar with the series as to what denotes a major plot development unlike the person claiming Hinata's admittance of liking Naruto wasn't major.じんない 00:59, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

minato

shouldn't we say the reason why naruto's name doesn't carry minato's surname even though he is his father? i think that bit of information is important.DeathBerry talk 17:40, 27 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Haseo445 (talk • contribs)

Its never explained.Tintor2 (talk) 18:19, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

what are you talking about? of course it explained. it was when jaraiya was dying. he was having flashbacks of minato and his pregnant wife and decided to name there son after the first novel of jaraiya (which apparently didn't have good ratings) because he was the only one that liked the story.

and jaraiya told minato not to name him after that since he only thought it up after eating ramen. Also in the latest chapters, minato said he had to keep him being a fourtrh hokage's son a secret so no one would hurt him.DeathBerry talk 15:35, 30 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Haseo445 (talk • contribs)

But he never confirmed the reason of his surname. Jiraiya only named him Naruto.Tintor2 (talk) 15:50, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

jaraiya didn't named him, the fourth hokage did. the fourth hokage merely took the name off the book of jaraiya's. thats reason enough. Also the fourth hokage explained that naruto had to be kept secret because it would endanger his life if people find out that he was the fourth hokage's son. also i'm pretty sure the book mentions "uzumaki" as well. i believe it was when naruto was reading it.DeathBerry talk 6:26 pm, Today (UTC+1) DeathBerry talk 17:19, 30 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Haseo445 (talk • contribs)

The book never states why Naruto was given the name 'Uzumaki' it's only stated why he was given the name 'Naruto' which as you stated, was because Minato took it from Jiraiya's unsuccessful book. Now, when the manga states why Naruto took Kushina's surname and not Minato's, we'll include it. It may just be to protect him incase he found out the Fourth's name was Minato Namikaze, but so far that is Original Research so we can't put it. DaisukeVulgar (talk) 17:52, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

doesnt sound to far off though. if minato practically said it when he was talking to naruto.DeathBerry talk 15:44, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

But he never said the reason of his surname.Tintor2 (talk) 15:52, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

very well then. though it might not have been minato's decision to change it.DeathBerry talk 16:22, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Why is that Baki guy on this list?

He was a pretty minor villain character who disappeared a few hundred chapters ago with no significant appearances in any other media, did someone sneak him on? Replace his section with Anko, Ibiki, Fukusaku/Ma or some other minor character of larger importance. - Norse Am Legend (talk) 21:21, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

It was there because it was added a short time beforehand about a little more than 20 minuits before you posted based on the history. It has since been removed. --76.66.184.249 (talk) 02:24, 20 April 2009 (UTC)-

My goodness. If you guys don't like the character what ever. He didn't disapear. The last time we saw the sand ninja he was with them. He is on the council. He is their sensei. If your going to erase his than you might as well erase all the senseis files! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.151.45.230 (talk) 04:12, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

The reason he was removed is because he is a minor character who was much less involved in the overall plot than any of the sand siblings. If by removing senseis you mean Kakashi and Guy that is simply not going to happen since they have much more plot importance than Baki and any attempt to remove them due to Baki's removal would be a clear case of WP:POINT. --76.65.142.33 (talk) 21:50, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Hiruzen Sarutobi

When was this revealed to be his name? --Ryu-chan (Talk | Contributions) 18:20, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Sarutobi in his fight against Orochimaru. Hiruzen in the newest databook.Tintor2 (talk) 19:16, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Splitting

In the discussion of the main page (Naruto) is said that some propose to split the character's page. Even if I like the fact that I could find about minor Naruto's characters in Wiki, I'm not sure it is necessary. Though, a simple list/table would be interesting/helpful.

Teuchi Ichiraku

I'm strongly for adding this character in Others section. Why? 1. It's one of few civilian characters showed in anime/manga 2. There was anime episode about him (167 if I'm not mistaken) - we know he was a ninja, has daughter ect. 3. His place is often show in anime and mentioned in manga 4. His name is very popular in fanfiction, so people may look up for this character However it's true this character is not necessary for the plot MEG (talk) 15:27, 4 May 2009 (UTC)