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Can this be removed yet? --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 12:19, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Can this be removed yet? --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 12:19, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


=== Capitalization of "Gay" ===

The use of the word "Gay" as a proper noun requires capitalization to prevent confusion and defamation. This needs to be changed immediately.


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Boxing match

I might just be wrong, but normally there are no sports —except for international competitions (i.e., Olympics, World Cup)— mention in ITN right? With all the other current events, the outcome of a boxing match seems out of place to me. But like I said, I could just be plain wrong. --Soetermans | is listening | what he'd do now? 09:37, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We've had some debates regarding this entry. [1] --BorgQueen (talk) 10:31, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's the problem in boxing: there are only two individuals in the fight, ergo, a maximum of only two nationalities per fight unless either or both has/have dual citizenships or something. –Howard the Duck 11:56, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It is likely an event that is exclusively meaningful to the Phillipine people. But, aside from that, it has no real significance. Indeed, it is quite interesting how a boxing match victory is placed on the Main Page, but the death of many a famous individual has failed to reach the Main Page. --Ambrosiaster (talk) 12:34, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:ITNR and WP:ITN/DC for some of ITN's "policies." Plus the Philippines is at least the 6th largest English-speaking country so that has to account for something. –Howard the Duck 12:57, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The relevant line from WP:INTR is 'Major title fights that receive significant coverage, to be judged case by case'. Personally I don't see much 'significant' coverage, but if WP:ITN/C is satisfied I don't see the problem. Modest Genius talk 14:38, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I would agree on the point about the Philippines. When was it (they? how does one say it?) last on ITN? If this was important to the US there would be no problems. However, we must not ignore sports which feature numerous nationalities... --candlewicke 14:42, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This story is the 7th most-read story on CNN International. I dunno how to create links for Flash(?) content but go to the website and look for the "popular news" link. (For the record, the others in the top 10 are Somali pirates, the swine flu, the Taliban, the Iraq War, Jack Kemp dying and some nasty storm in Texas.) –Howard the Duck 16:03, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
How is this "exclusively meaningful for the Philippine people"? Last time I checked, the UK was represented in that match - two pretty large English-speaking countries. – Toon(talk) 16:11, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
And held at the largest English-speaking country, if I may add. –Howard the Duck 16:15, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The largest English speaking country is Canada. Perhaps you meant the country with the largest number of native English speakers? Modest Genius talk 19:00, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've always presumed when it comes to demographics, such as language speakers, "largest" refers to the one with the largest population. –Howard the Duck 02:39, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've said that it is exclusively meaningful to the Phillipine people, insofar as every international sporting event carries some element of nationalism. Therefore, it is very likely seen as an "oppressed, underdog" nation defeating a well-established nation. I've never seen a boxing match before (in full), and I do not know what significance a "welterweight" bout possess, but, I presume it is comparatively little. --Ambrosiaster (talk) 02:11, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Anyone thinks this discussion shouldn't be here but at WT:ITN or WP:ITN/C? WP:ERRORS is meant for minor errors such as spelling, grammar and minor updates. –Howard the Duck 16:15, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if we're counting countries, what about the world record in rugby union that is currently being discussed at WP:ITN/C? I would think it would be more in favour because we have an article ready and we have multiple sources, such as the BBC, the Guardian and the Telegraph discuss this record and the best bit is it's not even in the UK nor does it involve UK teams... a number of different continents and countries are involved such as Tonga, Ireland, New Zealand, Argentina, Wales, etc. By my estimation at least three of those countries speak English too. Perhaps this is more inclusive of other nations? And, most importantly, it is something concrete, i.e. a world record as opposed to an event that isn't the highest, largest, smallest, tallest, longest or shortest... might this be more favourable? --candlewicke 16:58, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fails "international interest". Sorry. In boxing's credit, the refs include cites from The Times, the BBC, the Guardian, the Telegraph, several Philippine news orgs, ESPN, Yahoo Sports, Newsday, and the like. The main card's three men in the ring have 3 different nationalities, the undercard fights had an additional 5 nationalities, all hemispheres were represented, North, South, East and West. All-in-all, the entire card had 4 English-speaking countries, plus Welsh Sir Tom Jones even sang. –Howard the Duck 17:09, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Aren't all hemispheres represented by the rugby? Not to mention that there were more of them competing. And I bet more spectators... what is so big about ESPN, Yahoo, etc? --candlewicke 17:38, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You know what, find an admin to replace the boxing item with the rugby item. You have my permission, since it was I who suggested it anyway, it's up to the admin's discretion to do it. –Howard the Duck 17:43, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
BTW, we're neutral on the Times, the BBC, the Guardian, the Telegraph. I also have SKY, RTÉ, the Irish Times, here is the Press Association, the English Times, Wales, Setanta Sports (emphasising the record again) Yahoo STV (now why would Scotland be interested?) --candlewicke 17:49, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OK. We'll see what happens now. --candlewicke 17:50, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Good, now go add them on the article. As for me I've found these: RTE, CBC, Xinhua (I also tried searching the rugby item here but seems that they haven't had rugby since 2002), Eurosport (has far more reads than the rugby story), South Africa (nice read too), ABC News Australia. For the meantime, I'll hit the sack. –Howard the Duck 17:51, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Much has been said about the "international-ness" and "importance" of this blurb, and perhaps may had forgotten that this is for a world championship. Sure, it's a welterweight championship, and sure, there are lots of welterweight champions, sure there maybe lots of current boxing world champions in all weight divisions, sure there maybe tons more world champions in every weight division in the past, but with Pacquiao's victory, he is only one of five winners of at least one title in six weight divisions. That has gotta be a world record of some sorts. –Howard the Duck 06:57, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"I might just be wrong, but normally there are no sports —except for international competitions (i.e., Olympics, World Cup)"; but you are wrong. ITN had the Super Bowl and the World Series and will probably have the NBA Finals as well.Rhodesisland (talk) 11:29, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kent State shootings?

How in God's name can you not list the Kent State shootings in "On this day?" It wasn't just another school shooting; armed members of the Ohio National Guard killed four students and wounded nine others. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.175.126.2 (talk) 15:28, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Because Kent State shootings has maintenance tags in it, which disqualify it from appearing on the Main Page (exceptions are made for the article associated with Today's Featured Picture). howcheng {chat} 16:08, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New World?

The Main Page says that the papal bull divided the New World between Spain and Portugal. It did not, it divided South America in the New World between Spain and Portugal. North America was not divided. Even each of the articles after the jump say this, shouldn't the Main Page be changed to something like "divided South America in the New World" instead of just "New World"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.95.196.55 (talk) 04:58, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am no expert, but after reading the articles on Inter caetera, Line of Demarcation, and the successor treaty, Treaty of Tordesillas, it seems that the intent was to divide 'all "newly discovered" lands outside Europe between the two empires. Zzyzx11 (talk) 06:45, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I should also note that in the actual English translation of Inter caetera, Pope Alexander VI says, "...all islands and mainlands found and to be found, discovered and to be discovered towards the west and south, by drawing and establishing a line from the Arctic pole, namely the north, to the Antarctic pole, namely the south, no matter whether the said mainlands and islands are found and to be found in the direction of India or towards any other quarter, the said line to be distant one hundred leagues towards the west and south from any of the islands commonly known as the Azores and Cape Verde."[2]. To me, he is not specifically talking about South America, but the entire width of the globe. Zzyzx11 (talk) 06:56, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with that completely, except that the line doesn't hit North America. So I guess based on the language of the original historic document, New World makes sense, but when one reads it on the Main Page, it gives the impression that North American was divided between Spain and Portugal at some point in history. Although I suppose if the idea is to get people to go the article from the Main Page, it works well. Hehe. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.95.196.55 (talk) 07:29, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reporters: please first correct the regular version.

Errors in Did you know?

Protection

Something's wrong with cascading protection. DYK Images on the main page are not being automatically protected. There was problems with the previous group. I tested and protected the image on this group. There's a thread at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Main_page_cascading_protection_not_working. Royalbroil 12:49, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is this issue still live? --Dweller (talk) 14:36, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The DYK image which is live now, File:Lyon0002soft.JPG, suffered some vandalism. I briefly deleted the image to remove the bad history, and restored the page and then purged the main page and re-applied image protection. I'm posting for two reasons. The first, so people can double check and make sure I didn't mess anything up and the second, to find out why the heck an unprotected image slipped by? Does this have to do with the broken cascade protection discussed above? Any ideas?-Andrew c [talk] 21:55, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that would be the cascading protection issue. The image is (and was) hosted on En, and therefore should be automatically protected by cascading protection once it's on the front page (which is why DYK admins intentionally haven't been manually protecting the images). However, it seems to have a few cracks now. Does anyone know if the software changed around the middle of March (Royalbroil's post) that would affect cascading protection? Also, we seem to be having a rash of Main Page image vandalism (I remember this OTD image getting vandalized a few days ago)...anyone know if it's the same person/IP? Shubinator (talk) 23:42, 10 April 2009 (UTC) (btw, archived Village pump thread is here)[reply]
I just created a bug report, it's number 18483. Royalbroil 01:31, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The implementation of filters? As you can probably tell, I have no idea what's going on. If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 11:12, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Can this be removed yet? --Dweller (talk) 12:19, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Capitalization of "Gay"

The use of the word "Gay" as a proper noun requires capitalization to prevent confusion and defamation. This needs to be changed immediately.


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