Talk:All-terrain vehicle

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Nothing new in this article though it has some historical tit bits here and there. For example, the year 3 wheeled ATV seized to be sold can be got from this sentence. "In 1987, the agency sued ATV manufacturers, declaring the vehicles an imminently hazardous consumer product. The suit was settled a year later, with the companies agreeing to stop selling the three-wheel ATV models the agency considered highly unstable." Sales figure for ATV in some past years come out in this sentence "According to the industry, 884,000 ATVs were sold in 2003, up from 447,000 in 1998." Other historical data "The popularity of ATVs has been increasing, with 6.2 million four-wheel vehicles in use in 2003, double the number in 1998. Injuries have been rising steadily every year, according to agency statistics. In 2003, there were 125,500 injuries, up from 67,800 in 1998. About 31 percent of those injured in 2003 were younger than 16, compared with 37 percent in 1998." [23] gathima 18:37, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Citation?

"Nationally, the US Forest Service considers managed ATV use to be a legitimate activity in national forests, yet it also lists their unregulated use as one of the four greatest threats to long term forest management. The US Forest Service recently released a national travel management plan designed to minimize the negative environmental impacts of ATVs while providing a safe, sustainable and enjoyable opportunity for ATV users." --It seems to me that a statement like that should require some kind of citation. 76.208.9.104 14:30, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Reference Needed (Weasel Words - Overwhelming?)

"the overwhelming evidence of human growth patterns upon the landscape indicates damage to the sensitive habitats are caused by unmitigated growth of single-family housing planning and extractive industries" 207.216.216.119 03:45, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Lousy Article

This sounds like it was written by someone with an axe to grind. Weasel words abound. Opinion does not belong in an encyclopedia article period. Article is twice as long as it should be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.204.195.101 (talk) 02:39, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Citation sought(ATV Price ranges)

"Engine sizes of ATVs currently for sale (as of 2006) range from 50cc to 800cc. They range in price from about $2000 to nearly $8000." I am wonder where this info applies. USA? It is why I would like to seek a citation.--Jusjih 06:24, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

As you can see, I added the citation to the CPSC research giving the market data in question. It is for the US. My apologies for not giving the region initially. --Lynne Jorgensen 02:20, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I have corrected this information back to what it was originally as cited in the article. While it may be true some ATV's retail for $12,000 this is no representative of the market, and will need a citation to prove such information.--Budlight 05:02, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I changed the cost info back to the original (from $13000 to $8000) because that is what the citation gives. If someone is going to change it to $13000, please give a correct citation for it. The CPSC citation does not contain a reference to the upper end of the ATV cost range as being $13000. Please see the Wikipedia policy on citing references and verifiability of information at WP:V. Lynne Jorgensen 01:42, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Non trail usage?

Wondering if it would be prudent to make note of non-typical usages of ATVs. For example, they are a familiar sight driving down city streets in phildelphia and can be seen with rims and other such adornments.--Ron 19:50, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Curious! I've never heard of widespread inner-city use, though I have seen some on the outskirts of Miami. Nothing like what you describe, however. I would think this would be a good addition to the article -- very educational, and I thought I'd seen and heard a lot about ATVs to this point. Thanks for your expertise! Lynne Jorgensen 02:17, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, people actually use them for drag racing (complete with wagering) in inner cities. However, I would have to be convinced that it's a "familiar sight" in urban Philadelphia. --Don Williams 22:01, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

In several countries in Europe ATVs are legal to use on the street and are considered an automobile. Japanese and North American manufacturers have to convert ATVs sold to Europe for the market. This includes having the foot brake operate all four wheels, reinforce the ignition to guard against theft, place engine restrictions (if the particular market calls for them) and adding turn signals and reflectors. Also, it is legal to ride 2-Up on a one-person machine. I rode in the French Alps and it was quite an experience riding on the streets of the French towns. If I can find any photos I will consider adding them. There are also several American communities that have made it legal to ride on streets in order to facilitate business growth around trail use and to connect trails. One place that comes to mind is the city of Logan, W.V. that is in the heart of the Hatfield-McCoy Trails.Alf rules 21:34, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Name

I just wanted to mention that where I live in Canada, ATVs are almost always referred to as "four-wheelers" or "three-wheelers", and almost never ATVs. Is this the common term anywhere else?Thomasiscool 16:34, 16 September 2006 (UTC)Thomasiscool

Well, if you look at the magazines, you have ATV Action, ATV Sport and ATV Illustrated. Don Williams 07:06, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

There is also Quad, Dirt Wheels, and many more that dont have ATV in the name, That is a very shity point. "four-wheeler" and "three-wheeler" are the most common here to.

Thank you for your highly inarticulate contribution. Don Williams 00:49, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Citations

I've cleaned up the references section to be similiar to what I've seen on most other pages.

The following links weren't attached to a certain part of the article and likely should be

• U.S. Environmental Protection Agency Frequently Asked Questions from ATV Riders
• All-terrain Vehicle Safety Institute
• U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission Press Release: CPSC Announces Advance Notice of Proposed Rulemaking on ATVs
• CPSC's 2004 Annual Report of ATV Deaths and Injuries

I fixed the last two, so that the citations and references match up. They refer to footnotes 3 and 4 in the safety section. Lynne Jorgensen 01:49, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Tone

I find the overall tone of this article to be decidely anti-ATV. Especially the section regarding injuries and deaths. While it is worth noting that there are people killed and injured on ATVs each year, it is also worth noting that the accident rate per hour of use is actually decreasing. The more ATVs are sold, the more people will ride them. And the more ATVs are ridden, the more accidents will happen. Just something to think about, I believe. I will research sources to back up my claims. Alf rules 21:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

ATV ROAD

Can you ride an ATV on the road and What is so bad about three wheelers?PendoFSX 00:34, 5 February 2007 (UTC)Pendo 4

About road riding: In some states, South Dakota, for instance, ATVs with a displacement of 250CC or greater can be licensed as a motorcycle for road use. However the machine must have a rear-view mirror and horn. BTW, in the Black Hills of South Dakota, more than 80% of the 1.4-million-acre Black Hills National Forest, is open for ATV users. Additonally, BLM land, national grasslands and state lands are also open to ATV users.Dab1066 04:48, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

more about roads

"Three wheelers" can actually be made street legal in the United States due to loop holes for three wheel vehicles to be classified as motorcycles, allowing "meter-maid" vehicles and the such. Conversion kits are available to convert some sport ATV's to a single rear wheel, thus allowing them to be licensed with the afor mentioned horn, mirror, turn signal additions. Four wheel ATV's cannot be made street legal in most states because they are then classified as cars and do not pass Federal safety standards (side impact, etc.). Road legal quads abound in Europe and the quad magazines regularly do articles on them. RustyATV 04:24, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Factual Error - Number of Injuries

192.240.46.60 20:38, 14 May 2007 (UTC)I found this article to be incredibly slanted in favor of ATV's. But that aside the claim of 500 accidents a year is preposterous. In 2003 the state of Minnesota has reports of 254 ATV accidents, 228 people injured and 18 deaths, this in just one state that has 1.6% of the total US population.

here is the link to the Minnesota data files.dnr.state.mn.us/enforcement/incident_reports/atvaccidents03.pdf

whoever wrote this article mislabeled tha data, in the link that they provide for this data (2) it says there 470 DEATHS in 2004, but in the text of the article they said "There are only about 500 injuries from Quads each year all from misuse by very young drivers from the age of five to ten.[2]"

Would be nice if they read the actual article they are citing in their faulty statistics.

In 2004 there were more than 136,000 injuries treated in Emergency Rooms, God know how many there were total, also only 33% of these injuries were in persons less than 16 years of age, whereas in the articles the author says that the majority of the 500 injuries were riders between 5 and 10.

I hope someone can clean this article up so that there are some factual injury statistics.

I took out all of that convoluted "information". Don Williams 18:05, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Gee, those statistics were not only accurate, but highly relevant to the article. Don, am I misinterpreting what you took out? Did you take out the 136,100 injuries in 2004 and 470 deaths in 2003? User 192.240.46.60 should indeed read the referenced work. Those are not numbers of accidents but victims. Minnesota's 18 deaths contributed to the US total of 470. There's nothing about that that doesn't add up (except that they're from different years, but you get the idea).

The second statement, "There are only about 500 injuries from Quads each year... age five to ten." that User 192.240.46.60 makes was not made by me, though it appears someone is attributing it to the source I used for the other statistics. That source does not include this information, and I believe this statement is not true for the US. Perhaps it is true for some other country?

It appears that someone mucked up the stats section after I wrote it and it got all haywire with other numbers so that it didn't make sense anymore. I restored my original paragraph and updated it using CPSC's latest statistics. Lynne Jorgensen 01:30, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Works for me. I just knew that it wasn't accurate and needed to be removed, then replaced when fixed. But, I do have a problem with this: "Statistics released by CPSC show that in 2005, there were an estimated 136,700 injuries associated with ATVs treated in US hospital emergency rooms -- more than double the number of injuries treated in the last year of the consent decrees." It needs the context of injuries-per-user or injuries-per-hours-of-use. Just a flat number doesn't tell you if injury rate is up or down. Either add that info, or I'm going to yank it as incomplete. Don Williams 00:02, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I added risk per ATVs in use figures from CPSC's report, which is the only research available on the subject. The statement that injuries have doubled is based on sound statistical methodology (read the report). Rate/Risk is another matter altogether and it wasn't what I was originally citing. If you yank it I'll ask for mediation. Lynne Jorgensen 19:30, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Adding a link

I work for the America's Most Wanted Safety Center, a new department of America's Most Wanted getting away from the capturing of criminals, and branching out to all aspects of safety. I feel a link to our post about ATV safety would be appropriate and mutually beneficial, particularly because it prominently features an exciting video narrated by Julie Vallese of the Consumer Products Safety Commission. The link is http://www.amw.com/safety/?p=57 please consider it. Jrosenfe 15:45, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I would like to see a link added for the site EscargoTracks http://escargotracks.com They are a new company in Canada that has built custom tracks for several types of ATV which allows the argo to be more flexible and access greater amounts of terrain type. It appears to be the first track to allow extreme all terrain access. There is alot of interest in this new track on Youtube and argo users around the world. The site offers video footage of various argo's in different terrain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 17:17, 27 July 2007 (talk • contribs) 66.206.244.155

External links should be added to dmoz, see Wikipedia:EL#Links to be considered. Is this thing working? (talk) 01:24, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Land usage

The land usage section is slanted and biased AGAINST ATV riders pretty badly.

I would like to contribute with some editorial and link to the UK Quad Bike Industry. We have a communication with some well known celebrities who have been involved in accidents relating to Quad Bikes. We would appreciate if you could let us know as soon as you have read this posting and question. My name is Darren and I work for a company called [www.myquadbike.com]and we are a website that could contribute towards Quad Bike safety within the uk, along side EASi [www.quadsafety.org]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Myquadbike (talk • contribs) 15:44, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

erosion photo

"Unverified?" Those are obviously ATV tracks, and obviously eroded. The only further verification you could have is to have a wider angle to get a better idea of whether there is in fact no erosion surrounding the track. Can we NOT be ridiculous about this?Andy Christ 19:21, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

vandalism

i knoticed their was some vandalism on the page. ive taken care of that. Atvrider1919 21:18, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Grossly Biased

This article really needs a cleanup to bring it to NPOV. An example sentence that either needs to be cited or removed is:

Since the late 1980s, ATVs are used for sex and underage drinking. This has led to greater conflict between ATV users and child-safety advocates, rural landowners, fellow outdoor recreationalists and environmentalists.

Laplie 01:33, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

The History section is wrong

Royal Enfield invented a powered Quaracycle in 1893 that both resembles a modern Quadbike and operates in a similar manner. This Article is also too US centric and doesn't have any infomation about what other governments reconise as a Quadbike or about not ATV quads (EG cars classified as motorbikes like the G-wiz and the reliant robin). TBH the article could do with a complete overhaul.(Morcus (talk) 02:39, 31 March 2008 (UTC))

Quad bikes and redirects

Quad Bike redirects here but I feel a second page specifically about Powered Quadracycles should exist under Quad bike. There are many Quads that are not ATV's and this article doesn't contain info on them, also this article is far too US centric with half the Article filled with infomation about critisms and observations that are irrelevent in the UK and most likely in other places, The first paragraph gives a deffinition of what an ATV is wich is diferent to the DVLA's deffinition of what a quadracycle is (A 4 wheeled Vehicle below a certain weight). There would be the potential for alot of cross over but I feel it is nessessary whilst this article remains in this format.(Morcus (talk) 02:33, 13 April 2008 (UTC))

A quadricycle is specifically a vehicle powered by a human, so I'm not sure at all what you mean. In any case, most of what is on the page you helped create is replicated here or is uncited. Alastairward (talk) 11:35, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Had a look at the Quad bike article and I reinstated the redirect. The lead paragraph of that article had confusing information, whereby the license category that a driver of an ATV in the UK was used as a definition of such a vehicle. Other than that the rest of the article is a simple replication of what is here or is uncited. Alastairward (talk) 11:56, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

150CC'S

IS THIS SIZE O.K 4X4X2 " FOR JUST MOSTLY RIDING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY FLAT LAND NOT PLANNING ON GOING ON ANY RUFF LAND TO DO ANY 4-WHEELING.. JUST TO RIDE ON OUR 5 ACRES OF LAND SOME DONW AND UP HILLS NOTHING WHERE WE WOULD NEED 4-WHEEL DRIVE ON? MY HUSBAND IS 6 FT.2 WEIGHS 300LBS WOULD THIS BE TOO SMALL FOR HIM TO JUST RIDE AROUND ON? THATS MY CONCERN ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.5.90.81 (talk) 13:12, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Neutrality

There are now a number of complaints about neutrality on the talk page. This page currently contains four major non-reference sections ("Safety Issues in the U.S.", "Emissions", "Land Usage", and "Sport Usage"), of which at least the first three would really constitute the "Criticism" section of a typical WP article. Reading them is like reading a debate -- "almost immediately realized alarming injury rates" followed by "mainly due to improper and irresponsible use". A decent chunk of a Times article arguing for change is excerpted into the article. In the article body, after the lead-in, there are really only three sentences (the "Sport Competition" section) that aren't related to arguing for or against ATVs. Mark7-2 (talk) 13:00, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Quad bike?

OK, this is not the place to change things, Wikipedia is describing what is but I cannot resist... "bike" = bi-cycle = 2 circles. A "quad bike" must then be 4 * 2 circles, it must have eight wheels =) bi-bike, that's what it is!! (compare to trike, it got three wheels) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.89.240.124 (talk) 06:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)