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*'''Delete''' emberrassing content fork from the film more-suited to some fan-wiki. There are simply no sources that establish this fictional entity as notable aside from the work of fiction in which it appears.[[User:Bali ultimate|Bali ultimate]] ([[User talk:Bali ultimate|talk]]) 17:11, 20 May 2009 (UTC) |
*'''Delete''' emberrassing content fork from the film more-suited to some fan-wiki. There are simply no sources that establish this fictional entity as notable aside from the work of fiction in which it appears.[[User:Bali ultimate|Bali ultimate]] ([[User talk:Bali ultimate|talk]]) 17:11, 20 May 2009 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''' due to availability of sources that establish this fictional entity as notable aside from the work of fiction in which it appears (based on a real historical figure and titular character of a film, novel, and game as well as having been made into multiple dolls) and as [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Anya%2FAnastasia_%28character%29&diff=291112610&oldid=291107173 you can see], I have been working pretty hard to improve this one. Given the historical basis for the character, the titular appearance in a film, video game, and novel as well as having been marketed in about a half dozen different dolls, I am coming across a number of sources from which to construct an out of universe article. I next hope to see if I can find any interviews for a production section, but anyway, I truly believe we have the basis for something here. As an alternative, the nominator has said, she is “[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:A_Nobody&diff=291119689&oldid=291022721 not opposed to merging the information from the sources you cited into the film article, as I believe it would really help improve the film article's quality].” Please note that if I merge anything we cannot delete per [[Wikipedia:Merge and delete|the GFDL]]. Sincerely, --[[User:A Nobody|A Nobody]]<sup>''[[User talk:A Nobody|My talk]]''</sup> 18:36, 20 May 2009 (UTC) |
*'''Keep''' due to availability of sources that establish this fictional entity as notable aside from the work of fiction in which it appears (based on a real historical figure and titular character of a film, novel, and game as well as having been made into multiple dolls) and as [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Anya%2FAnastasia_%28character%29&diff=291112610&oldid=291107173 you can see], I have been working pretty hard to improve this one. Given the historical basis for the character, the titular appearance in a film, video game, and novel as well as having been marketed in about a half dozen different dolls, I am coming across a number of sources from which to construct an out of universe article. I next hope to see if I can find any interviews for a production section, but anyway, I truly believe we have the basis for something here. As an alternative, the nominator has said, she is “[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:A_Nobody&diff=291119689&oldid=291022721 not opposed to merging the information from the sources you cited into the film article, as I believe it would really help improve the film article's quality].” Please note that if I merge anything we cannot delete per [[Wikipedia:Merge and delete|the GFDL]]. Sincerely, --[[User:A Nobody|A Nobody]]<sup>''[[User talk:A Nobody|My talk]]''</sup> 18:36, 20 May 2009 (UTC) |
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:Comment: Please take a closer look at what I said in that link provided. I was referring to the ''information from the sources you added'' and not ''the article itself''. As you can see, I said "The articles you cited seem to talk about the film, and not the character alone (they would actually be much more useful additions to the film article than a separate article about Anya)." I also [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:A_Nobody&diff=291156170&oldid=291127700 eventually said] that I am not really opposed to merging/redirecting, ''"should the consensus deem it so"'', but that "I don't see anything that can really be merged from them". Perhaps I'm not very good at explaining things clearly, but those statements do not mean that I believe that merging/redirecting is a better solution for these problematic articles than deletion. I still stand by my nomination and firmly believe that the articles should be deleted based on [[WP:NOTE]] (as well as [[WP:V]] and [[WP:WAF]]), and [[WP:PLOT]], disputed or no. That being said, please don't use my words to justify a "Keep" vote. --'''[[User:Silentaria|SilentAria]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Silentaria|talk]]</sup> 01:03, 21 May 2009 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment''' I do not agree that it's good editing policy to ''always'' break up articles as far as WP:N would permit. It hampers usability to have fragmentation to that extent. But since at the very least it would be a merge, a true merge preserving content, we can discuss matters of style at the talk page. I hope those proposing deletions of articles such as this will learn to understand that deletion is the last resort only. '''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG|talk]]) 19:13, 20 May 2009 (UTC) |
*'''Comment''' I do not agree that it's good editing policy to ''always'' break up articles as far as WP:N would permit. It hampers usability to have fragmentation to that extent. But since at the very least it would be a merge, a true merge preserving content, we can discuss matters of style at the talk page. I hope those proposing deletions of articles such as this will learn to understand that deletion is the last resort only. '''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG|talk]]) 19:13, 20 May 2009 (UTC) |
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Character is not notable on her own, and the article just contains a reiteration of some of the film's plot and a compilation of some fancruft. SilentAria talk 08:58, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. The film's decently notable, but this article seems entirely redundant. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 09:50, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
- Merge Normally the heroine of a film is a suitable separate article, but in this case the content could well be merged as an exception. It's really a question of style. DGG (talk) 23:27, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
- Why is this its own article instead of merging the sourced material into the parent article? Anastasia isn't inordinately long for a film article, certainly not so long as to need a separate article for what is effectively material about itself. Merge and redirect. — pd_THOR | =/\= | 05:39, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- Keep She is the main character in a notable film, novel based on the film, and game. Enough information here to fill her own article. Dream Focus 15:38, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- Delete emberrassing content fork from the film more-suited to some fan-wiki. There are simply no sources that establish this fictional entity as notable aside from the work of fiction in which it appears.Bali ultimate (talk) 17:11, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- Keep due to availability of sources that establish this fictional entity as notable aside from the work of fiction in which it appears (based on a real historical figure and titular character of a film, novel, and game as well as having been made into multiple dolls) and as you can see, I have been working pretty hard to improve this one. Given the historical basis for the character, the titular appearance in a film, video game, and novel as well as having been marketed in about a half dozen different dolls, I am coming across a number of sources from which to construct an out of universe article. I next hope to see if I can find any interviews for a production section, but anyway, I truly believe we have the basis for something here. As an alternative, the nominator has said, she is “not opposed to merging the information from the sources you cited into the film article, as I believe it would really help improve the film article's quality.” Please note that if I merge anything we cannot delete per the GFDL. Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 18:36, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- Comment: Please take a closer look at what I said in that link provided. I was referring to the information from the sources you added and not the article itself. As you can see, I said "The articles you cited seem to talk about the film, and not the character alone (they would actually be much more useful additions to the film article than a separate article about Anya)." I also eventually said that I am not really opposed to merging/redirecting, "should the consensus deem it so", but that "I don't see anything that can really be merged from them". Perhaps I'm not very good at explaining things clearly, but those statements do not mean that I believe that merging/redirecting is a better solution for these problematic articles than deletion. I still stand by my nomination and firmly believe that the articles should be deleted based on WP:NOTE (as well as WP:V and WP:WAF), and WP:PLOT, disputed or no. That being said, please don't use my words to justify a "Keep" vote. --SilentAria talk 01:03, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
- Comment I do not agree that it's good editing policy to always break up articles as far as WP:N would permit. It hampers usability to have fragmentation to that extent. But since at the very least it would be a merge, a true merge preserving content, we can discuss matters of style at the talk page. I hope those proposing deletions of articles such as this will learn to understand that deletion is the last resort only. DGG (talk) 19:13, 20 May 2009 (UTC)