Talk:Aylesbury

Complete Outdoors?

Is it just me, or is this an advert for a commercial organisation on Wikipedia?

If anyone else thinks it should be removed or altered, note your comments here.--82.32.105.240 18:36, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

It was blatant advertising; I have removed it. -- Roleplayer 22:47, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Page name

This page belongs at Aylesbury and should be moved back, as the Aylesbury in England is the main use of the term. There has already been an extensive discussion about this subject at Talk:Exeter. G-Man 19:20, 28 Nov 2003 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:Naming conventions (city names) says that in general, there are no special naming conventions for cities and Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (city names) indicates that the "priority" issue is not a policy but still under discussion. I think that equal disambiguation is a vastly superior approach, but if you wish to revert my changes I won't muck around. Penfold 20:17, Nov 28, 2003 (UTC)

I think the general rule is (as I understand it) that if one place or use of a term is the most well known or most linked to, it should have the name space to itself and provide a link to a disambiguation page for other uses, at the top or bottom of the article.

So for instance London in England is the most well known London in the world, and so has the 'London' name all to itself, but has a link to a disambiguation page for other Londons. The same is true for Boston in America even though there is a place called Boston in England.

Of course nothing is set in stone, its a case of judging each case by it's merits. But in this case seem as all the links go to the Aylesbury in England and it s the most well known Aylesbury in the world, it really belongs in it's own namespace G-Man 20:43, 28 Nov 2003 (UTC)

• As far as I can tell, the point of Wikipedia:Naming conventions (city names) is that there aren't any rules as yet. In addition, I think assigning priority as in the examples of London and Boston is not the way to build an encyclopedia free from anglo-centrism or americo-centrism (if that's the word). And where there are multiple uses of a name, I think the default should be to show all the available options. But as I said, I'm not prepared to get into a fight over it. Penfold 21:04, Nov 28, 2003 (UTC)

What matters is how articles link to it. There were 40 articles linking to the Buckinghamshire one, and a couple linking to the Canadian one. Likewise Paris should be about the french capital. I hardly think you can call that anglocentric. Morwen 21:10, 28 Nov 2003 (UTC)

• No, that would be Euro-centric, which is equally undesirable. You surely can't be arguing that significance or priority should be determined by number of Wikipedia links? Given that Wikipedia is a) incomplete, and b) rather skewed in terms of the topics present, the number of links seems to be a measure of merit without any merit whatsoever. I'd take your point if I'd left broken Wiki links all over the shop, but I didn't. Penfold 12:59, Nov 29, 2003 (UTC)

If you're interested Penfold we had a big argument about this subject a few months ago about Exeter. Between User:Mintguy and User:BRG, over whether Exeter should be a disambiguation page or about the Exeter in England, and it was eventually decided that it should be the Exeter in England. So I am merely going by the precedent set there.

If you want to see the details of the argument try looking at User talk:Mintguy and User talk:BRG. G-Man 21:27, 28 Nov 2003 (UTC)

• Thanks for the link, although I'm still having difficulty reconciling what Wikipedia:Naming conventions (city names) says versus comments tucked away on talk pages. But the Exeter discussion was a terrible argument. Aylesbury is no Paris or London, or even Exeter or Durham. It was also argued that 'most users will want to look at Exeter'. I've always found that attempting to second-guess users is a very poor strategy, and I fail to see how the 'principle of least surprise' is an appropriate guide for the content of an encyclopedia. However, I see that the reversion has been made, so this all academic I suppose. I won't muck around with that but I'm happy to keep on whining here. Penfold 12:59, Nov 29, 2003 (UTC)

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Anne Boleyn

"The infamous Anne Boleyn:" only an Irish Catholic would say that. The Papacy had many reasons to declare her marriage null and void and the Protestant monarch a bastard. Infamous indeed. Wetman 23:15, 20 May 2004 (UTC)

I thought she was generally unpopular as a person anyway. She was certainly unpopular as far as the English general public were concerned at the time. -- Graham  :) | Talk 23:25, 20 May 2004 (UTC)

Depending on how you were taught English history, Anne Boleyn could certainly be considered infamous- Irish Catholic or otherwise. At my school we covered the Tudor period in a lot of detail and the name of Henry VIII's wife who was mentioned the most by far was Anne Boleyn.

Racial riot

"racial riot"? When? If not substantiated this should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.64.13.107 (talk) 21:31, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Duly removed. -- Roleplayer (talk) 23:54, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Commuter belt??

IMHO Aylesbury is not part of the London commuter belt.. it isn't even easily accessible by London. High Wycombe is probably the furthest out the commuter belt goes. I have removed comment.. thoughts anyone? Dvmedis (talk) 13:00, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

London is an hour by train, and if you can drive to Amersham it's even faster from there. The density of traffic on the London-bound roads at peak times would suggest that Aylesbury does indeed have a large number of commuters, although obviously not to the same extent as those towns nearer the capital. Demographic figures show little difference between the daytime population and resident population of Aylesbury, suggesting a low percentage of commuters, however that doesn't take into account the number of people who commute to Aylesbury from outlying areas. Lower down the same table of figures it shows that 38% of the population have an income over £40k a year, and it is highly unlikely that 38% of jobs in Aylesbury have £40k+ salaries. This is a good indicator that a good chunk of the working population of Aylesbury commute, however firm figures that demonstrate this do not exist. -- role^player 19:20, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

I also support role^player. There are daily peaktime non stopping trains direct from Aylesbury to London and vice versa scheduled at 54 mins. This in my book defines they are commuter trains and that there are sufficient regular daily travellers to meet the definition of Aylesbury being part of a London commuter beltTmol42 (talk) 23:49, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Industry

The industry section is rather dated. Can someone with reliable info update it? The Blue Leanie might be worth a mention, and am I right in thinking CBS have a factory there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.43.81.99 (talk) 21:00, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Answer, yes, its changed name a few times - but Sony used to make vinyl records there. Now it just packs music CD-ROMs.

Most industry has left the town, shortage of manual workers and affordable housing. So all the light engineering has gone - in fact one factory is now an electronic seminar / conference centre.

The main central light industrial area has been flattened; but remains un-built due to the recession. (We are in the last building standing and that should be going in 4 years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrisjw37 (talk • contribs) 08:26, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Royal Buckinghamshire Hospital

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MAJOR omissions from the pages of Aylesbury. I'm just going to highlight them for future addition:

Designed and approved by Florence Nightingale, the central staircase is listed. The Hospital is designated: RBH

It was the main hospital for Aylesbury It had the 1st Casualty unit

This was then moved to Tindell Hospital (now mental health and as old as RBH) and then to Stoke Mandeville hospital In the 1980-to 2000 it was the maternity and special care baby unit for the area, moving to its own building Stoke Mandeville.

The former NHS Hospital has been bought and re-furbished by Dr Clark as a spinal and re-hab hospital

Stoke Mandeville Hospital, actually its in Aylesbury.

Built by the Canadian red cross post WWII for re-hab Dr Ludwig Guttman came from Heidelberg university and started the whole science of treating spinal injuries. His famous technique was to shout at the airmen and tell them they would never manage - they re-buffed the german by taking up sports and surviving their industry. (i worked with his medical colleagues, 1st hand from Senior consultant, same origins)

It is now the site of the Ludwig Guttmann para-Olympic stadium, world famous and the creator of para-Olympic games. Famous enough for Wiki or what?

Aylesbury is also infamous for hosting 3 prisons. 1) The young offenders high security prison - the highest category prisoners in the country under 25's. 2) Grendon Underwood, the only UK prison with psychiatric therapy and help. Regular prisons have NONE. The next stage up is the Rampton or Broadway for criminally insane prisoners.

There you go chaps - DISCUSS.

CjW (talk) 08:49, 21 May 2009 (UTC)chrisjw37