Talk:Upstairs, Downstairs (1971 TV series)

Cleanup

Needs cleanup. Several erroneous 'facts' added; inconsistency about regular cast vs. recurring characters. Quill 22:39, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

I will continue to tidy this page up as much as time allows me. I intend to create a page for each the main characters, a project I've already started. I also want to finish the List of Upstairs, Downstairs characters page. I also think that due to the popularity and length of the programme it would warrant a page on each episode, which I am happy to do. This would cut down the excessivley long and confusing current "Story" as much of this info would be on the individual pages. If anyone has any comments to make etc please let me know. I would really like some more photos on the page (especially on character pages), there are some good photos on www.updown.org.uk, but I'm no specialist on copyright. --UpDown 21:40, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Procedure for copyright permission is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requesting_copyright_permission Sambda 11:38, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Could the anonymous user please fact check?

It would be nice if the enthusiastic anonymous user (and we do appreciate your enthusiasm) who keeps adding to this article would fact check material, or add notes that they were not sure of parenthetically; a non-visible note can be added in this manner: (Shows up when you click the edit this page tab) Otherwise, there’s so much cleanup to do over material that has already been copyedited. Thanks! Quill 23:32, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Corrected story summery sentence about Thomas and Sarah having never married. They in fact did marry and were spun of to their own short-lived series "Thomas and Sarah" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0137328/). -- Jango Davis 13:12, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Uh, no they weren't, I've seen their short-lived series. He promised he'd marry her, he didn't say when. They got into a bunch of hilarious scrapes, but the no-marriage thing is clearly highlighted throughout especially in the episode There Is A Happy Land, Sarah tells Thomas she's pregnant (to stop them from going to America), and Thomas finds out that she's not, and he tells everyone in the town that they are currently living in that they are not married at a dinner party to pay her back (by embarressing her entirely). Sergeant Snopake 16:33, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Wow, in addition to being totally clueless, you have no idea what you are talking about. The fact stated in the Upstairs, Downstairs episode A Family Gathering that the couple had got married is disregarded in the series Thomas and Sarah. You have offically been OWNED! Jango Davis 21:04 August 11, 2008 UTC —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jango Davis (talk • contribs) 20:05, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Ruby

'was replaced with Ruby, a hardworking young woman with minor mental disabilities' - hardworking? Ruby? Her constant cry seemed to be 'My arm's getting tired, Mrs. Bridges.' And I don't think she had minor mental disabillities, either. She could be intelligent enough when she wanted to be. Ruby once said, as quoted in the article (I don't think it's exact, though), 'They'll not last long and I'll get the guesthouse'. She had it all sewn up. It seemed, to me at least, it was her constant lazyness that annoyed Mrs. Bridges so. Sergeant Snopake 14:26, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually it was Edward who complained his arm was getting too tired after turning the crank handle on an ice cream machine. I don't believe Ruby ever said anything about fatigued arms. Mapjc (talk) 01:20, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm too tense

What's the story with the Story section? The first half of it's in the past tense and the rest in the present. Clarityfiend 08:19, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I have attempted to change it all so it is all in the past tense. --UpDown 09:16, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Infobox

I have removed Patsy Smart from the infobox because the infobox should only have the main cast in, otherwise this box would be very, very long. Joan Benham and Raymond Huntley appeared in more episodes than her, so if we put Smart in, they would have to be in as well; and then it would be far too long. Also, Smart was normally only a minor character (except in two episodes). --UpDown 13:07, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Timescale

I have been enjoying this series on ITV4, but have noticed the immense timespan covered in the series. It begins before King Edward VII dies, but stretches on till the 1930s. But none of the characters really get any older.

Did the writers acknowledge the passing of the years on the characters, or are the like The Simpsons, always the same age no matter what the year? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.246.71.166 (talk) 16:33, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

It is set from 1903 to 1930. They did age to an extent, notice James' hair gets grey in the later episodes. Early episodes have comments regarding their age, but the later episodes tend to ignore this. It just about works out to be realistic, but had they gone on any longer it wouldn't have been! --UpDown 09:20, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Hazels Death

Hazel dies, aged 32, Is her age true ?

In the German Version - and on the homepage http://www.updown.org.uk - you can't get this information. --AndreaMimi (talk) 18:22, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

The "homepage" is not that, its an unofficial fan website, which actually gives very little character detail. I'm fairly sure 32 is mentioned in the programme, and will revert the removal. Also I think "from series 3" sounds better than "series 3 to 5".--UpDown (talk) 07:05, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Don't think Hazel's age was directly mentioned in the programme. The nearest we get to it is in "A Family Secret" where H says she met Patrick O'Connor when she was 19. She also says she married him in spring 1902. Since "AFS" was set in autumn 1912, then I think that makes her *at least* 29 in that episode (if they got married immediately after meeting), so *at least* 35 in November 1918 (when she dies). (Someone else double-check that maths, please!) Sambda (talk) 03:12, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I have to belive, that 32 is mentioned in the programme. But I can't remember the detail, when I saw "Upstairs Downstairs" on a German Programm three years ago.

Have you ressourches, like another website or a book ?

"series 3 to 5" is the better form, I think . It's good to find the same way for all persons. --AndreaMimi (talk) 16:27, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Don't need a website or book, the programme is reference itself. I think "from series 3" is better, otherwise it suggests perhaps they left earlier in series 5, like when we put "series 1 to 2".--UpDown (talk) 18:00, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Its good for the articles here in the Wikipedia, that you put ressourches there.

So, I can belive your information or not. ;)

I change the form about the seasons and the persons in a good form. For example, we can put them in a table ? Then it will look better. --AndreaMimi (talk) 15:28, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes a table is not a bad idea.--UpDown (talk) 07:20, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I'll do my best with the dates and a table. I wish you a nice weekend. --AndreaMimi (talk) 16:30, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Hazel was 30 the year she married James, 1912. If you take what her father says literally in the show, she had been married 10 years before in 1902 when she was 20 to a verbally abusive man. If I have my math right 10 + 20 = 30, 1902 + 10 = 1912, 1912 - 30 = 1882, 1918 - 1882 = 36. 36 her age at death.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 02:25, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Done.--UpDown (talk) 08:19, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually that isn't a screenshot/grab, if you want to be pedantic. I did the logo for my site (www.updown.org.uk) and it's a mock-up/reconstruction of the logo, not the original. The text is much bigger than on the TV screen, for example. I don't mind this page using it, but if it's going to mean legal trouble or something, best do a grab.... Sambda (talk) 19:53, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Well it looks like one, but you would have to ask the original uploader.--UpDown (talk) 07:06, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Incorrect Story Summary

The story summary for the first two seasons is very incorrect, particularly pertaining to James and Sarah. James did not force himself on Sarah after he found the servants drinking, he simply embarrassed her and ripped her dress, after which she left Eaton Place. Some time later, James and Elizabeth found Sarah, ill and destitute in the east end of London while they were volunteering at a Whitechapel soup kitchen. Elizabeth brought her home and she stayed in service once again at Eaton Place until she was duped into being an accomplice for a dishonest friend of James' and his valet. She got out of that mess somehow and began performing as an actress. James began visiting her at the theatre, they began an affair, and then she became pregnant. Mapjc (talk) 15:02, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Original inspiration

I know there were a number of people approached to give background information on this show, specifically those who had lived 'downstairs' and could give a perspective on servant life. I don't know who the final choice was, but I think this would be a good point to include in the article if anyone knows the person/persons that should be credited. Sky83 (talk) 17:20, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

External Link removed

The following external link: *Upstairs, Downstairs at the BBC was removed cos it linked straight to the BBC News website. I think the link's expired or whatever; if I have time I'll try and find a replaceable link etc or if anyone can find the original BBC page, that'd be cool. londonsista | ^Prod 02:00, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Tables

You have nothing to work there and you don't see the tables, that I built. What's about them ? Are the right or not ?

Neve remove my comment's again. That's not your job. --AndreaMimi (talk) 14:49, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

The tables are not right. Please read up on the correct syntax, and do not insert them again in their current form Mayalld (talk) 15:06, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Now, the tables are right. I gave my best. It was a very hard work.

Thank you for your help, Mayalld. You are very nice. --AndreaMimi (talk) 10:47, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Miss Roberts

Why is she listed under "upstairs"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sambda (talk • contribs) 22:16, 2 October 2008 (UTC)