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I showed my boyfriend the goat star you awarded me and fell on the floor laughing. Thanks for the accolade. [[User:Alucardwolf|Alucardwolf]] ([[User talk:Alucardwolf|talk]]) 21:19, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
I showed my boyfriend the goat star you awarded me and fell on the floor laughing. Thanks for the accolade. [[User:Alucardwolf|Alucardwolf]] ([[User talk:Alucardwolf|talk]]) 21:19, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

==Programming==

Hi, saw you responded to my help request, I'd love to help with the templates. [[User:Normiad|NoRmIaD]] ([[User talk:Normiad|talk]]) 23:14, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

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My page got reverted?

hello - why did my page revert even though i had all verifiable info on it!!!

Ahmed Hasan Ansari (talk · contribs)

Done via IRC  Done

Message moved from user page

(Message moved from my user page  Chzz  ►  21:44, 25 May 2009 (UTC))[reply]

G'Day Mate how do u create a sub-page???

Please Reply, thanks! The One and Only (El-Pabloski : Chat 18:22, 25 May 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Howdy. You put the above message on user:chzz - next time, please put questions here on user talk:chzz - in a new section at the end. Thanks.
Two ways to make subpages;
  • You could just type "User:El-Pabloski/something" into the search box, and create the page, or
More help is available in Wikipedia:User page.
 Chzz  ►  21:44, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

H3llo and 3rr... how do u make a pictur3 small3r? thanks El-Pabloski : Chat 17:43, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is a thumbnail

There are two choices;
  • You can either use 'thumb' to make a thumbnail (in a box), with an optional caption. For example, [[file:frog.jpg|thumb|This is a thumbnail]] - shown here on the right, or

That is the code used for the pictures shown here on the right.

For more options, see WP:IMAGES.

Further message moved from user page

Good Evening yaal why do i get this come up when i upload a image Upload warning The file is corrupt or has an incorrect extension. Please check the file and upload again. Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload" ???

(The above, unsigned message was moved over from user:chzz; the message was from The One & Only Fools and Horses (talk · contribs) 17:53, 29 May 2009  Chzz  ►  09:55, 31 May 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Hello again.
Please do not put messages on my user page. Please put them here, on my talk page.
It sounds like you are trying to upload a file that is not a valid file type. Permitted file types: png, gif, jpg, jpeg, xcf, pdf, mid, ogg, ogv, svg, djvu, oga. If it is one of these, then check that the file is OK - perhaps download it again. If you still have problems, please let me know.
Good luck with it,  Chzz  ►  09:55, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It was a correct type, but its sorted now a Admin called PictureAdm-bot44 sayed it was a `Tempory error`. He has sorted it out now!

Thanks, the one & o.f.a.h's (El-Pabloski : Chat 16:40, 3 June 2009 (UTC)#)[reply]

Bell Tower (band) help

Thanks for your help,

I am a little confused with

"copy that hatnote from the building one (about 'not to be confused with), and then make it a disambiguation page, listing the two articles with bullet points, and putting {{disambig}} at the end."

I know how to do everything up to that, if you could explain the above a little differently I'll give it a try

(unsigned message from Element014 (talk · contribs) 20:33, 1 June 2009  Chzz  ►  20:52, 1 June 2009 (UTC))[reply]

  • Please remember to sign messages, by putting ~~~~ on the end.

I see that you have made the new article, so now, you need to change "Bell Tower" - which is currently a redirect to "Bell Tower (building)" - into a disambiguation page.

Get to the redirect by going to this special address,

And put; 

{{Distinguish2|a [[bell tower]] on a church or other building}}

'''Bell Tower''' may refer to:

* [[Bell Tower (Building), an office tower in Canada

*[[Bell Tower (band), an alternative rock band from Alberta

{{disambig}}

Hope this works; let me know.  Chzz  ►  20:48, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Thanks! Thats very helpful. The article is live and up for deletion. Everything is cited and valid. I have posted 2 reasons of notability in the discussion dirrectly from the WP:MUS page.

What should I do to prevent the article from being deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Element014 (talk • contribs) 21:32, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Answered on user talk page.  Chzz  ►  21:40, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Ok will do, thanks for your help. Feel free to add what ever reason you see for the page to stay to the discussion, I need all the support I can get. writing an independent music topic is a challenge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Element014 (talk • contribs) 21:47, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've tried to fix up the article, but drawn a blank on the refs. I've left feedback on the user talk page.  Chzz  ►  23:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

If I add any word to any article.How should i create a hyper link for it?

Thnx

Dwikigyan (talk) 09:26, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. To create a link to another article, you put it in double square brackets. For example, if you put [[sausage]] it will appear as sausage.
You might want to link one word to another - for example;

I like [[sausage|sausages]]

Will appear as;

I like sausages

For more on this, see WP:LINKING.
Cheers,  Chzz  ►  12:27, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pic question from Post Millennium Rock

thanks for the message, how do you add a picture? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Post Millennium Rock (talk • contribs) 12:56, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

this is a picture
When you leave messages, please "sign" your name by putting ~~~~ at the end, this will put your username and the date/time.
You just put [[file:ostrich.jpg|thumb|this is a picture]] or something like that. This example shows the pic here. For more, see WP:IMAGES.  Chzz  ►  12:59, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Braille

I think I finally figured out how and what you did. I'm still not sure why Literacy should be a subarticle, it isn't seperated on Wikipedia for sited reading Literacy - which wouldn't be clumped together with the alphabet. Still lost on the topic issue athough I am understanding the information flow a little better. I like the way it looks - just unclear on those points. TIA BasicallyGood (talk) 13:53, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you think that it should be organised a different way, please let me know, or show me. I put literacy in an article because there seemed to be sufficient material to warrant an article on it, and that section doesn't seem to be specific to the program. I took the alphabet out of the main braille one to try to reduce the size of it to a reasonable proportion - because it has so many images. Do you think that the alhpabet part would be better in a separate article? My ideas are only suggestions - I'm just trying to think of some way that the information can be arranged, whilst having meaningful and sensible-sized articles. All ideas are welcome, of course. Let me know.  Chzz  ►  13:58, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
To tell you the truth - I have no clue how it should be organized! I think you did great - just wasn't completely sure about the 'why' part of the subdivisions. Still learning as I go! I will work on the summary you suggested and will leave the rest in your capable hands!

THANKS BasicallyGood (talk) 14:54, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Okay - I added the lede for the literacy page, actually just moved the starting section there. When you link out to the other articles (ie Braille Challenge) do I need to include a summary of that section? Or is it just a reference point to the main article? I included one - but then deleted it because it seemed repetitive. BasicallyGood (talk) 15:06, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I think that any way of getting the thing going will be good; it can always be reshuffled later. As long as it is an improvement on the current set-up, it has to be a good thing.
If we are going to use this idea, then it will need a summary of the articles in each part with the "Main article" thing - ie in User:Chzz/Braille writing, where the highlights explain that a summary is required - for both Writing and Literacy, and in User:Chzz/Braille_literacy in the Braille Challenge part. The idea is like this;
  • Main article
  • Section one
  • Section two
  • Section three
See main article foo
Summary of the article foo goes here
  • Section four
  • Section five
See main article baa
Summary of the article baa goes here



  • foo

(normal article layout)

  • baa
  • Section one
  • Section two
  • Section three
See main article wibble
Summary of the article wibble goes here
  • Section four



  • wibble

(normal article layout)

I hope that this clarifies? For an example, see almost any large article, such as Microsoft#Criticism or Australia#States and territories.
 Chzz  ►  15:21, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


I think I updated all of the summaries and the article(s) are ready to go if you are! Thanks again for all your help - guess you hear that a lot don't you? —Preceding unsigned comment added by BasicallyGood (talk • contribs) 18:54, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

goat entry

Not only was it no problem to look over the article (please continue to point out any articles that may need proofreading), but that article was hysterical. I was unaware of the tradition of keeping a ranked goat, but I am now going to be checking the links to other ranked animals listed at the bottom of the article. (I may have to check over the article again after I stop sniggering; that really was a funny article. Alucardwolf (talk) 15:44, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much, that's great! Please check the Talk:William Windsor (goat) talk page, where there are some notes for possible improvements, including details of other goats. I'm hoping we might one day have templte:infobox military goat. I'm hoping to get it to 'Good article' status soon. It was in a Did You Know... and appeared on the front page for a few hours - it got over 6000 visits during that time!  Chzz  ►  21:29, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Goat

You is teh best goatse goat contributor evah! :-p

The Goat Star
For contributions to Caprinae Solidarius

Lance Corporal William Windsor salutes you!

Killiondude (talk) 22:26, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For me?

Why thank you kindly. :-) It's greatly appreciated - I'll be sure and look in sometime. Maybe even lend a hand now and again. :-) --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 23:09, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

William K. Black

I think I have gotten your boilerplate to the right people and so the image of Black should soon be uploaded. How do I find it and attach it to the Wiki page once that has been done? Is there a way I can search for it to see whether it has been uploaded?

Affenbart (talk) 00:13, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not terribly easily, no. If you're lucky, the person picking up the OTRS email will let you know (if you are mentioned in the mail), or they might even add it. But this is somewhat optimistic. Better is, ask me, and I'll ask someone to have a look for the ticket. When you know (or strongly suspect) that it has been sent, please advise me of the details. Easiest would be if you know the senders email addy (or part of it), and/or all/part of the subject line.
Let me know, and I'll ask an OTRS'er to have a search.
Cheers,  Chzz  ►  00:16, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think they will write to me when they send it, we will see. Thanks Chzz.

Affenbart (talk) 02:56, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cool, somebody went and did it. Problem solved.

Affenbart (talk) 01:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you :-)

Thanks for the welcome and the help. Now I got a starting point! Ailirams (talk) 01:29, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Goat Star

Thank you for the award, My first actually. Surely I will help to get the article GA status. Thanks a lot!--Chanaka L (talk) 02:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Back to Wikipedia

Hello, I am back to wikipedia----tireless contributor. hope u remember me. G.phanisrinivas. --Srinivas G Phani 13:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again! Yes, I remember; well - I did when I looked on your talk. I remember all the subpages.

Welcome back :-) Please come and say hello with this.  Chzz  ►  13:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Leadership Initiatives

Hello! I was wondering if you could help me quick! I created a page, it's at Leadership Initiatives on Wikipedia. There is a tag regarding notability. I want to clarify just so it's not deleted again! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Erika.boll (talk • contribs) 15:47, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Don't panic. Time is not a problem. If it's deleted, we can get a copy of it. More soon.  Chzz  ►  15:52, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. Have now looked at the article. All it has is a tag, saying "may not meet the notability guidelines for companies and organizations". Note, may not. This is not a candidate for a speedy deletion. So, the worst case is, it'll go through a deletion discussion - but that hasn't been suggested at all, yet. The tag is just a comment, to help improve it. And even if it does get nominated for deletion, the discussion lasts for 7 days. So... read the tag, and the links in the tag, which explain about what issues need addressing. Ie it needs better reliable sources. And more of them. See if you can find some and add them. OK? Let me know if you need help with it. Relax... it's just someone trying to help improve the article by saying what can be improved. :-)  Chzz  ►  15:58, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello - Kinty500

I see you have contributed to the Bell Tower (band) page. I have as well, as I noticed it on the AfD list and I thought I would give it a look.

With my help as well as others, I do believe the article is now satisfactoy. Unfortunately the AfD discussion isn't really moving along and has few people sharing their opinion.

I was wondering if you would like to contribute? if so I'll look forward to reading what you have to say about the article.

Thanks


Kinty500 (talk) 22:54, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I worked on the article to help new user Element014 (talk · contribs) - but I don't feel that I can vote to keep at the moment, for the reasons at the end of User talk:Element014#Tip.
See also the other help I've given them, on the same page.
If anything changes - if sources can be found - please let me know.
Also, as a tip to you - and I don't mean this in a negative way - but I think that you need to carefully read WP:PSTS.
Cheers,  Chzz  ►  00:47, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Supersentai sockpuppetry

I believe Supersentai is using a sockpuppet, Triassic ranger, to avoid his previous warnings and discussions. Please feel free to comment on how you think of this case. 01:43, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

(posted by Cydevil38 (talk · contribs) 01:43, 4 June 2009  Chzz  ►  02:15, 4 June 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Please remember to sign with four ~~~~'s to add your username, and the date/time.
When talking about pages or users, please link to them - for example you can put [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Supersentai]], which looks like this: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Supersentai, and {{user|Chzz}} which looks like this: Chzz (talk · contribs). (My talk will not link because this, here, is my talk page).
I'm not complaining - it's not a problem - but I think that this might help you elsewhere, and also it'll save me the ten minutes it took me to sign your post, find the links, and work out what you were asking about.
I see that Supersentai (talk · contribs) has been blocked for 72 hours. If you have any further concerns, please let me know. Cheers!  Chzz  ►  02:11, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I usually use the tildes and provide the necessary links but I have been careless for a while there. Anyways, thanks for the advice. :)

Hi from Defence2warr

Thanks for the assistance, I was doing a little research and thought that I would make a small contribution. Just goes to show that you should read the instructions first. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Defence2warr (talk • contribs) 07:27, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No problem at all. Please take a look at the 'welcome' thing, and do ask for help whenever you need it.  Chzz  ►  10:10, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Help Appreciated

Hi there, thanks for your help on the SEACOM page. Im not sure if Seacom's own blog would count as a reliable source of information? Also I see the external link to Seacom's official website hyperlink text has been changed to Seacom Mauritius. This is a bit misleading as it is Seacom's corporate website - not sure if I should change this, but I wanted to run it past someone first. Once again, thanks for lending a helping hand - it's much appreciated. monty14 (talk) 08:48, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The blog most definitely will not be a reliable source - a) it is a blog, and b) it's a primary source.
Yes, I think that you should change the website link, if you think that it is more appropriate.
Cheers,  Chzz  ►  10:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unified login

Hello Chzz:

I am using unified login with the same name. Both ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/ and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MergeAccount gives me same list of sites attached to unified account:

commons.wikimedia.org en.wikipedia.org en.wikibooks.org en.wikinews.org en.wikiquote.org en.wikisource.org en.wikiversity.org en.wiktionary.org www.mediawiki.org meta.wikimedia.org ru.wikipedia.org species.wikimedia.org test.wikipedia.org

however my "landing pages are DIFFERENT": http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Участник:Anthony_Gursky not in sync with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Anthony_Gursky, http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Обсуждение_участника:Anthony_Gursky not in sync http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anthony_Gursky, and I believe so forth...

I think it's a little confusing - if UNIFIED ACCOUNT claims to be UNIFIED, landing pages MUST be in sync no matter through which server (ru.wikipedia.org or en.wikipedia.org I am login in) or I am grasping smthng...

Any comments ?

Thank you.

ag —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthony Gursky (talk • contribs) 10:27, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The 'unified account' concept is merely to facilitate the login process, and to avoid problems if the same name is in use on other Wikipedias. Each language Wiki have their own rules, systems, conventions; therefore it is impossible to have a 'shared' user page or talk page, or to synchronize the pages. Most of us put a very brief message on other language wikis with an interwiki link to the talk page that we most frequent.
Cheers,  Chzz  ►  10:32, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

accepted. thx :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthony Gursky (talk • contribs) 06:02, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:Belltower.jpg missing description details

Dear uploader: The media file you uploaded as File:Belltower.jpg is missing a description and/or other details on its image description page. If possible, please add this information. This will help other editors to make better use of the image, and it will be more informative for readers. If you have any questions please see Help:Image page. Thank you. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 10:46, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
Thanks For mentoring me and helping me every time -SubashChandran007 ׀ sign! 12:59, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


FYI :- I am " Subbie " { Whom u help in IRC}

Cheers subbie! I appreciate it!  Chzz  ►  19:33, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV, COI, and other letters of the alphabet

A couple of months ago, you had commented on an article that was up for AfD which was added for our organization (here). Perhaps the most beneficial aspect of your post was the fact that you provided consideration to the content itself - what I had deemed a editor perspective on what was behind the article as opposed to its initial content - with something called "google". Corrections and changes were made to properly support GFDL on their website, the clouds parted, the article was a keep and all was good in the world.

So where are we and why am I writing? If you would review (this) and (that) perhaps it might explain where we are with this article.

Although I believe myself to be a well-educated, articulate individual - I am feeling lost in entering the Wikipedian mindset of editorial guidance by others. As though I have stumbled into a secret realm of original D&D players isolated from society with a different mindset of instructional assistance than I am accustom to. I am exagerating a bit as it has gotten better and Whpq has provided an improved sense of dialog but there seems to be a problem in getting over the hump or something.

Maybe we need another pair of eyes, perhaps a bit of descriptive dialog, something to move this along and get to the real task at hand in providing quality user generated content for the enrichment of others to learn about and understand their world. Regardless, I appreciated your insight earlier and would appreciate additional guidance on how to better improve, reference and otherwise validate the more obvious aspects of this article.

Thank you for your time and look forward to any direction, edits and improvements you can provide.

NatGreene (talk) 21:23, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. Thank you for that erudite plea; I'm incredibly busy, but will try to help with it. I had a quick look, and realised that it would take some thinking about - hence I will note it down and try to find the time.
If there are any specific I can help with, please let me know.
I have sympathy for your feelings about the acronyms. It is certainly a familiar problem. Whilst efforts are made to keep things simple, with a project the size of Wikipedia, we do get instruction creep. For an amusing take on it, see WP:WTF. On a more serious note, this does result in an increase in the Systemic bias - indeed there is a project to address this, Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias.
Personally, I endeavour to bridge the void between the techies and the editors, wherever possible. Please ask, whenever you are puzzled by things.
Please keep in touch, and as I say, I'll try to help directly with the article when I have more time.  Chzz  ►  21:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciate the response and understand that there are A LOT of articles that need help and others that need well...something else. Having transcended the AfD and from a bout with an earlier and quite stubborn Deletionist - I am feeling as though I have dropped into a whole different world. So I appreciate it even more when I discovered someone like yourself who may take the time (when found) to help to navigate these waters. As far as the Nat Greene thing goes - this is small when compared to the the larger theme of our community and history in this deleted addition. So I am using this as my training ground in a manner of speaking.

Perhaps the biggest obstacle I am facing in these edits is cursory COI label which hampers the other edits I would make - even though the highest level of NPOV and Wiki Regs are being observed. Regardless, I look forward to any guidance you my find in bringing this to fruition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NatGreene (talk • contribs) 00:25, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Did you mean this edit?
Just as a quick tip; earlier, you put this to make a link to a wiki article;

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nathanael_Greene_Historical_Foundation (this)]

This displays as;

(this)

It would be better to put;

[[Talk:Nathanael Greene Historical Foundation]]

Which displays as;

Talk:Nathanael Greene Historical Foundation

This works for all articles, talk pages, etc. You can link to specific sections too;

[[Greensboro, Pennsylvania#Demographics]]

Displays as;

Greensboro, Pennsylvania#Demographics

It doesn't work for history stuff though. You do have to link to them directly. However, rather than linking to the actual old version of the page (as you did above), it's better to link to the difference - showing the specific changes made - as I did at the start of this reply.
To do that, you go to the edit (as you did before), and click "diff (previous version" - that'll show you their changes. You can copy that address and use it to demonstrate. See WP:DIFF
I hope I'm not blinding you with science here; that's the last thing I want to do. It's useful to know this stuff, though. Unfortunately, sometimes these techy parts become necessary.

Certainly it seems that you've dived in at the deep-end with all that AfD shenanigans. Don't drown - keep asking for help.  Chzz  ►  02:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct and I must try to remember to write structurally different on the TALK pages as opposed to the ARTICLE pages (I will think of it as being bilingual). WP:WTF did a good job describing how English does act as a better notation, who would have THUNK. My own writing style on the web has been leading one to discovery - so what I deem these "peek a boo" links from the HTML days lead the reader to drill deeper into the subject matter - allowing the casual sampler to receive at least some minor education. Regardless, WP:WTF did help, your point was well taken and personally prefer speake-de-English constructs.

Yes, birth by AfD was somewhat helpful - to date I have written MORE talk/discussion, re-read and double checked content against other Wiki articles, and cried myself to sleep over the lack of clues left by other editors (exaggerated the crying). Seriously, a disproportionate amount of time that has been spent in the margins as opposed to the content itself is amazing and apparently noted in WP:Deletionists#Criticism which humorously is being WP:TAG to WP:MERGE.

Having read about simple fact that "not all articles go to heaven" and the undue amount of work burdening editors with fluff articles and the like - it is a daunting task to admin. Additionally, the culture in what I believe you alluded to in Systemic bias, appears to be more like Cognitive distortion#List of distortions. So much energy, time, and thought over some very esoteric issues while fostering a layer of elitism discussed in the WP:WTF - it is like mowing a lawn, if you don't like to mow - plant wildflowers (arrr, remove the lawn - cry the Deletionists).

Coupled with that Newbie editors earning their strips, working up the ranks to fight WP:SPAM and preserve the Wikipedia Way of life do appear to be a bit overzealous which appears to be the reform issue of editors - balance is key, self moderation/editing ideal. So I like the WP:AWWDMBJAWGCAWAIFDSPBATDMTD ideal and do believe it is better to improve rather than delete WP:ATD - unless it relates to the latest craze perpetrated by some marketing firm to sell the newest 50 cent album - oh, the SPAManity!

Anyway, back to the task at hand - improving the quality of life of Wikipedians through the merciless editing of my articles (small humorous rant there). The COI has me buggered so how do I best overcome this - it is my belief that I have followed the guidelines set in WP:COI#How_to_avoid_COI_edits and even formatted the article similarly in tone and structure to other WIKI approved articles - but to no avail. Getting over this hump would appear to resolve many other issues.

The other bridge (bigger fish, hurdle, obstacle, impediment) I will be covering does deal with the WP:DIFF but more so this which I now understand to be the action of a Deletionist (those "half empty" people)

In the abstract the rational behind Deletionism, Inclusionism and even Mergism provides visions of religious wars being fought over the digital landscape in Wikiland (hmm, interesting book idea! - nah, books are dead! (tear). Though on the Inclusionist side, if digital mediums are the paper, blogs become the citizens or reporter and sites are the publisher - sourcing their material does have merit (to a degree - Britnee's blog on her neighbors fashion attire might not cut it!)

Anyway, I have WP:RAMBLED enough - WP:COI, WP:NPOV and WP:DELETIONISM appear to be the real hurdles - as always, Thank you for your time and look forward to any direction, edits and improvements you can provide.NatGreene (talk) 12:00, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!

Special Barnstar!


Hi chzz...

AndyAce from IRC here. Thanks a ton for the help. I really appreciate it and am glad to be a part of the WikiFamily. Thanks for all the patience with the explaining. Did this with the stuff you taught me!

Cheers!

AceFighter19 (talk) 01:15, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Great, thanks :-)  Chzz  ►  19:28, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cherie DePalma

Hey it's Cherie. You there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cherie DePalma (talk • contribs) 03:09, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there.
When you leave messages, please remember to "sign" your name by putting ~~~~ on the end - this will put your login name and the date and time.
I hope things are going well, cheers,  Chzz  ►  08:42, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Braille Literacy 2

I think I finished adding all of the summaries you recommended on User:Chzz/Braille literacy. Is there anything else I should change, edit or add before its a go? Thanks BasicallyGood (talk) 16:31, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have just moved Braille literacy and Braille Challenge to the live area. I have also added the summary of literacy to [[Braille].
I suggest that Braille literacy should somehow - in the first sentence - have a link to braille.
I did see your earlier message, and had been wondering how I could best address this - I think perhaps I hadn't managed to explain myself clearly enough. I hope that you will now be able to see my intention; what I was trying to suggest was a restructuring of the Braille article. I still suggest that the 'writing' part of the main braille article be split off with a similar summary and 'see main', as suggested in user:chzz/braille. I don't feel confident in doing that myself, because I do not know the subject.
Please check the live articles and see if the flow of information makes sense, and make any necessary edits.
Best regards,  Chzz  ►  18:51, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think I am starting to understand, I really do appreciate your patience with me on this! See if I have it straight... I should update the Braille article and include summaries of the articles I have already done that link to the now live articles for Braille literacy, Braille Institute & the Braille Challenge? —Preceding unsigned comment added by BasicallyGood (talk • contribs) 14:35, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Help (Kesangh)

Hi Chzz! Can you tell me as to how i can join some community on Wikpiedia?

I am not familiar with this live talk feature. Is it really better than typing 'helpme' on the talkpage. Do people prefer to use the live talk feature than the' helpme' thing. Tell me more about this.

I am a bit confused. As far as i know, in order to promote an article's grade, peer review is used and to demote an article atleast some discussions are done. But, i recently saw that Shivaji was demoted to C grade outrightly by an user. Is it that there are people who are entitled to demote or promote the grade of an article and to decide the importance of an article? And why is it that an article has 2 grades, and not 1?

If i put an article for peer review, how much time will it take to finally decide the article's grade. When can the reviewing stop and who will decide if the artile really deserves a particular grade? Kindly help. Chao Kesangh (talk) 17:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. I'll certainly try to help. Overall, it sounds like you havn't really grasped the wiki concept yet - it certainly does take some understanding. English wikipedia is a very open type of project - we have no rules, but we do have lots of guidelines. You can do just about anything you like - the only caveat being, if others don't agree, they can undo it. In these cases, we discuss it, and decide by consensus, what would be best for improving wikipedia.
To answer your queries more specifically;
  • Try the live help system, and see what you think. Some people find it easier to talk to a real person, others prefer to get help on their page, or read through help files. It depends on the person and the situation. I find that both work well; often smaller problems and misunderstandings can be sorted out more quickly through direct conversation, and more complex issues are often addressed better on a talk page, with appropriate links and examples. A combination of the two can work well.
  • Regarding article grades - anyone can decide whether an article meets the requirements or not. For example, you yourself could process a peer review or a Good Article nomination. There are guides detailing the expectations and requirements, and how the article should be assessed - in fact, I highly recommend getting involved in the process, as, by seeing it from the other side, you learn the kind of criteria expected of higher-graded articles.
Hence, the user was perfectly entitled to demote Shivaji if they felt that it did not meet the requirements. If you disagree, you should discuss it with them - start a dialogue on the article discussion page, and ask what changes would be needed (in their opinion) for the article improvement.
I'm not sure what you mean about an article having 2 grades; please elaborate
A peer review does not take a fixed time; unfortunately, there is a backlog of requests, and so they can take some time to begin. In my own experience, a peer review usually goes on for a week or two, typically - but the time can vary tremendously, depending on how quickly the issues are addressed.
I hope that this helps a little; please let me know if you need further clarifications. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  19:21, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, at the moment, i am a bit busy, so don't have time to go through all the aspects of Wikipedia and thus, time and again come knocking at your door. By saying 2 grades, i meant that there's a grade each for an article like Shivaji under Wikiproject Biography and Wikiproject India. Kesangh (talk) 07:03, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No worries; if there is anything you think needs fixing up, and don't have time, let me know - and I'll either do it myself, or flag it up for others.
I'll investigate why this article has two differing assessments, too - but it's probably just that it hasn't been updated on one.  Chzz  ►  07:10, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed.  Chzz  ►  07:15, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Chzz. I really appreciate that. Shivaji was coronated on this day in 1674 as per the Gregorian calendar. I have added the relevant information to the On this day... section, but my edits are not visible on the Main page. I have understood the criteria required for listing an event on the Main page, but who's going to really put the particular event(if it deserves so) on the Main page, the admins? How to get an admin to see if the event i am talking about could be included on the Main page? If possible, can you yourself add the relevant information on the Main page. I got to go. Also, as asked earlier, tell me if i can join any community on Wikipedia. Kindly help. Thanks Kesangh (talk) 07:39, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the welcome


I appreciate your kind words! It can get a little vitriolic around here I've seen, but I felt very welcome reading my talk page. --Inksash (talk) 19:58, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers. It's very refreshing to see someone who actually bothers to read help files and test things out.
Please ask for help whenever you need it, and if anyone bothers you, techno notice (groan).
 Chzz  ►  01:46, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New to Wiki

Thanks for your welcome. I'm not sure I'm going to do this more than once or twice, it just happened that I knew the info was wrong. Nice to know that someone was noticing though. Still don't quite get the tildes though but here goes Carolina-Moonshine (talk) 20:58, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. The signing thing obviously worked, and you're doing great.
I hope that you're not put off editing more by the complexity; it's really not as hard as it seems. We have problems with a systemic bias, and thus people like yourself - people who might not necessarily be interested in the technicalities of editing - are exactly the kind of contributors we need.

I'd love to help in any way that I can. It'd be good if you popped in and said hello with this.

Cheers,  Chzz  ►  21:17, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Zurgle99

Testing, testing, 1...2...3... --Zurgle99 (talk) 21:11, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Test passed :-)  Chzz  ►  21:17, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chat Feature

Cool, I found a chat feature. YES!! --Zurgle99 (talk) 21:20, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A note about your advice on User talk:N2icv

There's nothing wrong with linking to a redirect; see WP:R2D. In that specific case, I think most people would remove the "The" entirely. --NE2 23:27, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I know that, and I agree. I wrote it in that manner to specifically try to get the user used to formatting links with alternate text; but indeed thanks for mentioning it. Hopefully we'll get there with that article, eventually. They asked some more things on IRC and in another note, so it all looks promising. I'd rather kinda try to guide them and teach them how to fix it up a bit, than do it myself, so that they'll know how. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  23:51, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Neat

Just thought I'd say that I found your reply very informative and well-worded. Trafford09 (talk) 01:20, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Piratesmackkk

Re your message: Nothing to be sorry about. If you don't know the history, it is hard to know why they are saying they are back. I actually know very little about the detailing surrounding this editor, only that a community ban was placed. I had declined a second unblock request, which is why I recognized the name. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 01:56, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

They popped on to IRC help earlier. They asked for their unblock to be reviewed. They didn't hand around long - by the time I'd looked and seen that it was an arbcom job, they left with the parting comment "fine, sockpuppet me if you want.".  Chzz  ►  02:20, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi (Kvsecret)

How can I talk to a Wiki staff? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kvsecret (talk • contribs) 06:19, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We don't really have staff. We're all volunteers; we sort things out between ourselves. What's the problem?  Chzz  ►  06:55, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Watch your scripts...

[32] was obviously not correct. --NE2 09:13, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How do I add pictures to articles?

Thank you for your welcome message. Can you help me with a question? How do I add pictures to articles? I have tried to search for instructions on Wikipedia, but have so far been unlucky to find anything helpful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rterrace (talk • contribs) 13:17, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My QTH

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwood,_New_Jersey —Preceding unsigned comment added by N2icv (talk • contribs) 17:36, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Goat star

I showed my boyfriend the goat star you awarded me and fell on the floor laughing. Thanks for the accolade. Alucardwolf (talk) 21:19, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Programming

Hi, saw you responded to my help request, I'd love to help with the templates. NoRmIaD (talk) 23:14, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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