User talk:Anagnorisis

The average man thinks he isn't The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt An intellectual is a person who's found one thing that's more interesting than sex Virtue is more to be feared than vice, because its excesses are not subject to the regulation of conscience

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I award this Epic Barnstar to Anagnorisis for his excellent efforts designing and authoring Venezuela-related history articles. Congratulations. Saravask 19:14, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

I award this Exceptional Newcomer Award to Anagnorisis for his uncanny insight into NPOV and meticulous deletionism, as well as for his exquisitely data-driven, polished, and refined debating style. Saravask 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Plantains or tostones?

Interesting... Thanks for clarifying that! I've edited the article to reflect what you described. Please have a look and make sure I got it right. -SCEhardt 13:31, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Cutting down the Hugo Chavez article's size

OK. I agree. You guys are absolutely correct, and I put back the verylong boilerplate. Feel free to remove any content you need to from the Hugo Chavez article. I just ask that the content that you remove goes somewhere — into a daughter article (a daughter article is , as you said, just a linked article), a new article, etc. Please don't just delete content without first putting a copy of it in some other article. If you do the deletions, I'll back you guys up in case you are accused of vandalism or are reverted. Have fun. Regards, Saravask 15:44, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Please continue with condensation and deletion

I just forgot that you were still planning to delete. Please delete any irrelavent and redundant material. I'll add back small pieces I think are necessary in order to maintian comprehensiveness, but the article is still too long. By the way, this article is only undergoing peer review, not FAC. Please put comments on the peer review page. Thanks. Saravask 07:59, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

How to revert

Anagnorisis, just follow the directions at Wikipedia:Revert. Look under the directions for "non-admins" (which describes you). Then you can revert vandalism too. Whatever that guy intended to do, what he actually did would be considered Vandalism, unlike the deletions you are doing, which are very helpful. Salutes. Saravask 23:41, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Epa

Ya vi tu mensaje por el Café de w:es, te digo una cosa, no estoy de acuerdo por tu decisión, yo he tenido fuertes problemas con los bibliotecarios y eso no deja de pensar que puedo seguir colaborando, no me pongo a pensar si por ejemplo les incomoda alguna actitud en particular, por que al final del caso, todos somos libres de ir y venir, y de colaborar en la medida que podamos, si la cosa era colocar acentos, recomendé un barra de búsqueda que te las corrige por ti, y así te evitas problemas, otro es el caso de que no quieras corregirlas por nada del mundo me parece una aptitud un poco inmadura, no vas a venir en pro de guerra con todo el que te reclame, de la forma que lo haga, entonces como harás con tus padres y profesores, te iras de tu casa y de tu escuela por no acatar normas ortográficas, en fin un saludo y nos vemos por allí. --Oscar 16:26, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Arindam Chaudhuri

I noticed you had marked this Arindam Chaudhuri article for speedy deletion. My response is in the article's Talk page. - Ganeshk 21:29, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Miss Saigon

Hello, I left a message for you on Talk:Patpong. Cheers, AxelBoldt 22:07, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Endurance

Nice work on the Endurance (1912 ship) article. Are those photos Frank Hurley ones? I think he was the only photographer of note on board. If so you can use the {{PD-Australia}} license for them. Nomadtales 01:10, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Apologies

It is sad that the Hugo Chavez was not balanced enough between personal and political to the extent that you could not give strong support. I just cannot find any additional information on his personal life, even after looking through books and combing dependable web resources. All I have found that could possibly be added is material from his interviews where he professes a deep love for his grandmother (his visits to her house, his continual worry that she would die while he was away) as well as other subjective remarks made by Chavez about his pride in his racial features (curly hair, etc.). I cannot even find the birthdate of his children. Before, I have added large amounts of material about is sculpting, baseball career, Christian faith, etc. to the article. But right now, for the life of me, I just cannot find any other details. Maybe you have suggestions about good sources on Chavez's personal life that I do not know about? Thank you. Saravask 23:05, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Appreciate your good advice

Your comments are really helpful in moving this FAC through. Please, if there is any project or pages that you are working on or are devoted to, let me know and I will try and return the favor by making contributions, etc. Don't be afraid. Just ask! Thanks. Saravask 08:33, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

translation needed

I understand Spanish muy pocito. I can't find which part is the innuendo. Is it where he considers marrying her, or when he calls her "Condolencia"? I added your reference to the footnotes and the corresponding inline ref link the foreign policy section, so all you need to do is to add the vulgar quote to that section. Thanks. Saravask 22:23, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

English version

Never mind. I just read the English version. I still only see suggestions that she wanted to marry him or "dreams" about him, or sending Fidel or himself to her. Which one is the inflammatory one that should be included? Saravask 22:49, 10 November 2005 (UTC) I just put two remarks in. Saravask 22:55, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Anything else needed?

All the objectors in the FAC have changed their votes to "support", so I have more time to make the article more balanced between personal and political. What else needs to be added? Regards, Saravask 23:01, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Images in the Chavez article

This whole thing with the images is giving me a big headache. So many people are saying different things. Just now, someone started adding fair use images again, right after I had to delete them because of an objection to the FAC. I trust your judgment, since you are Venezeulan and I am not. Could you please handle the images and change/delete whatever images you feel necessary? I only know about his life, and I suppose not so much about how he dresses (I've only seen a few episodes of Alo, Presidente! for example). Most of the images are from the Wikipedia Commons, meaning that there are no restrictions on their use. I would think that most of those should be kept, as they show Chavez shmoozing with other heads of state. I also think that there should be at least one picture of Chavez interacting with a crowd, speaking at a lecture, etc., since that is a large part of his presidency. But then again, maybe you know more about these things. Regards, Saravask 02:08, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Images

I apologize for not answering your messages. I'm looking through your images right now. Like you said, just let me know which ones are bad (and of course, you're free to just add or remove them yourself directly). This isn't just my article that only I can control (although it may seem that way), and its Wikipedia after all. Saravask 09:53, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Image changes

I just removed the crowd image (I guess it had to go, since it was fair-use also). I also put in one of the images you pasted to my talk page, and remove the red-shirt image where he is at WSF. I like this arrangement now, since there are now zero fair-use images. I do not know about adding the Bush-Chavez picture. I'll ask Bunchofgrapes if it would be fine. By the way, I voted in that attempt to get the Hugo Chavez article to be featured on the Spanish Venezuela portal. I put my reasons, and hope my gringo Spanish is readable. Regards, Saravask 10:10, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

New lead image

I hope you like the new lead image that I put in—it only took me two hours of web-searching government sites to find (:<O). But seriously, I don't really mind. IMO, this one looks MUCH, **MUCH** better than the UN photo. Thanks for the suggestion. Saravask 11:35, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Chavez insult news

I just put a copy of your comments on the news in the Talk page, where more people can see it. I also hope that my summary in the Foreign policy of Hugo Chávez article is correct. Feel free to add other stuff/comments/news. Thanks. Saravask 17:32, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

• Acutally, the insult info was just added to the main page as well, since it seemed that if I didn't add it, someone else eventually would. Thanks. Saravask 18:05, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Frecuencia de muestreo

Hola. ¿queria preguntarte a que te refieres con lo de velocidad?. No lo entiendo. si te referes a la velocidad de transferencia de datos, no es este su apartado está en el artículo bit rate... pero puedo incluir referencia

En cuanto a muchas palabras en inglés innecesarias, si tienes la amabilidad de indicarme cuáles son... las cambio. Ya sabes, los técnicos pecamos de usar la terminología que suele haber por los manuales... y lo que pasa.... De hecho, mi inglés es bastante malo, así que si en español existe una palabra que no conozco... mejor que mejor.

Me gustaria mejorar el artículo y te agradezco la críticas. Un saludo y buena navegación wiki en castellano 22:05, 15 November 2005 (UTC) ya he visto que te salía en rojo... la costumbre... http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuario_Discusi%C3%B3n:Marb

ah!, extrictamente no se podría hablar de velocidad, pero, de facto, si... Quiero decir... si se toman más muestras por segundo... es más rápido, no?...

Software/hardware no conozco equivalente en español

samples/oversampling/y no está aqui, pero sampler... son términos que la gente emplea muchas veces en ingláes... tu y yo... sabemos inglés, pero hay muchas persona que no. Yo pienso en ese niño que consulta la wiki... en mi madre, en mi padre... en fin... que tampoco creo que venga mal. Algun día no sera necesario... pero hoy por hoy creo que si.

Eso son puntos de vista diferentes. Tu crees mejor una cosa, yo otra... no hay problema.

En cuanto a tu tercera crítica, tienes toda la razón y no te la puedo quitar.

Nuevamente, un saludo y gracias por tu amabilidad al contestar. 81.38.60.4 23:51, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for the clarification of your vote. By the way, I am still thinking about what you said about the misbalance between excessive treatment of Chavez's political life and not enough about his personal life. Because of what you rightly said (your excellent criticism), I just ordered a 400 page book/biography on Chavez. As soon as I get it (a few days from now), I'll be looking especially for personal affairs, events from his adultery with Herma Marksman, and other details. Then I'll be adding them to the article. Thanks again for that comment; I so you are completely correct now. Also, I'm surprised you haven't gotten any barnstars for your excellent work on Paez, Guaicaipuro, and other Venezuelans. Just wait around, and it will happen ... Saravask 11:09, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Traducción

Hola Anagnorisis, te he visto en linea y tal vez tengas un poquito de tiempo para ayudarme con una traducción que comencé y deje a la deriva, se trata de Venezuelan recall referendum of 2004, en español:Referéndum de Venezuela, 2004, si quieres le metes mano, o me pasas la traducción en mi discusión de w:en (ante tu decisión de no colaborar mas por allá), Espero tu respuesta. Salu2--Oscar_ 17:49, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Hola de nuevo, puedes pasarmela por aca o por alla, no importa, ¿Que te falta de Páez? creo que la Batalla de Carabobo, realmente no he visto, ando ocupado intentando organizar el Wikiproyecto de esa wiki que me deja poco tiempo. Saludos --Oscar_. 19:16, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Hola Anagnorisis, gracias por mandarme la traducción, :D, sobre lo riguroso que son con los acentos, ya te hable sobre ese tema, tu puedes contribuir tranquilamente en esa wiki, por que para eso esta la wikipedia no, no importa si un texto esta mal escrito, tiene deficiencias de formato, es poco neutral, siempre podrá ser arreglado ¿no?. Saludos--Oscar_ 18:20, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

pro-Chavez slant in the article

The latest voter on the FAC has pointed out pro-Chavez slant in parts of the article. Since I am personally mostly sympathetic to Chavez, I think I am probably blind to this slant. Could you make edits or give advice on how the slant can be corrected? Thanks. Saravask 00:59, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
Actually, that voter just gave me a message about the slant after I asked her for more details:

"There wasn't any particular section that stood out as being biased (the article is far too good for that); rather it just gave me the vibe of being a little sympathetic. I doubt I could pick out any specific criticisms, which is one reason why I didn't object because of it. Ambi 01:09, 18 November 2005 (UTC)"

If you still feel things need to be corrected, feel free. Regards, Saravask 01:38, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes, the pro-Chavez slant does need to be corrected as you said, even if there is no objection to it. Do what you feel is best, and I'll go along. Regards, Saravask 19:04, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Barnstars

I figured you've earned these guys by now at the very least. Keep up the good work on your articles. Saravask 19:14, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

I award this Epic Barnstar to Anagnorisis for his excellent efforts designing and authoring Venezuela-related history articles. Congratulations. Saravask 19:14, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

I award this Exceptional Newcomer Award to Anagnorisis for his uncanny insight into NPOV and meticulous deletionism, as well as for his exquisitly data-driven, polished, and refined debating style. Saravask 19:14, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Another side note: Would you mind voting on the Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Yuan (surname) FAC candidacy? I have nothing to do with that article, but I just personally think it is an exquisite and exceptional work. Thanks in advance. Saravask 19:30, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Venezuela

I really appreciate your help in making Hugo Chavez an FA. I think there would have definetly been more than one objection if not for your removal of redundant material.
I was just wondering if you had ever thought of the idea of Venezuela (your homeland) becoming a Featured Article. We could try the same approach there, adding sources, building up the text, etc. Let me know whether or not you're interested in this ... Saravask 12:09, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Pro-Chavez bias

No. That's all right. I just came online a few minutes ago and saw your list of facts, so I figured I should put them in before anything else. We can always edit different sections so that there are no inadvertant edit conflicts, and you can always edit my work in a section after I am done. Thanks. Saravask 00:26, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
I need to leave again and probably cannot continue through the list until much later this evening. Now you have chance to chack my edits and do work correcting the bias. Thanks. Saravask 00:33, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar

Hey, thanks. I just saw the spinning star and have never seen anything like it! I'll put it up on my user page in a barnstar frame, if you don't mind.
Unfortunately, I felt I needed to remove your insertion into the lead about his ribald speaking style. Looking at the leads of Hitler, Thatcher, or Castro — whoare all expert orators and rhetoricians, I don't think this article should make an exception to the rule. The lead is the place to define what is unique about Chavez, and what that CHavez has done that has had the most impact on people's lives. Hearing someone speak may possibly touch you emotionally for a while, but it does not give you health care, schooling, a new land title, or whatever else that materially impacts your life. Instead what gives thiese things (or so CHavez supporters say)? Democratic socialism, anti-imperialism, etc. Or if we are talking about Bush, we don't mention his speaking style in the introduction (look for yourself). No. Instead we mention the salient policy achievements Bush has put forth. Per this reasoning, I moved your good insertion down into the Coup and political rise" section. But that was the only problem I had with your recommendations so far. I'll start effecting the other corrections. Thank you. Saravask 09:10, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

• You have a point with respect to the "Mission Vuelta al Campo" picture. I removed the picture. LOL — wouldn't that be some lovely country to colonize ...

speak style

I can comromise. I think we should give it either one or two words at most. For example, we can insert the word "ribald", "pugnacious", or "confrontational" (although some of these words are vague. The first paragraph should otherwise be kept as absolutely short as possibel so that no one element swamps the others for attention. I'll think more about what should be done. Thanks Saravask 09:29, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Chavez is "bald" now ...

I inserted the word "bald and" (as in "his bald and radical criticism" into the first paragraph. This is the most NPOV term I could find. "Bald" means that his rhetoric is not finessed, is not covered-up, not concealed. Bald just means that he rants openly, without attempting (at least not usually) to preserve pretensions of diplomacy. Bald also means that he attacks defiantly, without being intimidated. I hope you agree. I don't thin other terms like "defiant", "daring", and "brave" are NPOV. Of course, if you have problems with the new wording, let me know. Thanks. Saravask 09:39, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

E-mail

It is not a good idea for anyone to send Wikipedia-related email to me. Here's why:

1. My computer frequently freezes up and crashes when I transfer text between my web browser (where I use Wikipedia) and non-web browser applications, such as e-mail clients.
2. The university email is monitored, and I don't wan't unrelated material there.
3. I probably won't be working on this article forever. It would be better if you posted your comments (that you spend so much time writing) to the Hugo Chavez talk page, so that future editors will have access to them, and everyone can see them and help make the changes.
4. Likewise, if you post commments to the talk page rather than emailing them, it is much less hassle (avoiding freeze-ups, downloading and opening attachments, etc.) to transfer text from one Wikipedia page to another.

I appreciate your understanding. Thanks. Saravask 09:47, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

bald vs. bold

No. "bald" is the correct word. I think "bold" is a very POV term, suggesting that Chavez is some sort of an atavistic champion marching lock-step bravely into the setting sun and a glorious future and leading his trusting and innocent Venezuelan children behind him, et cetera. LOL. "Bald" on the other hand merely suggests here his "raw" and "uncovered" ranting/rhetoric/whatever. Saravask 09:52, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

:-)

Reversion problems

I see that you've been reverted many times now by User:Silence. This is unfortunate. We should both be patient — after his editing is done, then we can restore what elements we need in the article. Thanks. Saravask 05:38, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

"Adan" or "Adam"

What is the name of Chavez's older brother? You say it was Adan, but I thought a saw elsewhere that it was Adam. I'll put in "Adan" for now, until I get an answer. Thanks. Saravask 06:01, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

"Foreign banks financed Chavez campaign"

??????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!
Wait. Let me clarify. Did Chavez just apply for loans (to finance his campaign) at a bank which happened to be foreign-owned, just like any other campaigner would? Or did he get this funding as part of foreign meddling.interference? For now, I added the information to the article. But I don't think it belongs in there unless the latter (foreign government interference) was the case. Thanks Saravask 06:57, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Hmm. I see ... So since it is illegal, I guess it should stay in there then. I also put in the book reference along with it so that Silence does not have an excuse to revert me *again* (like I just was when I tried to put in a couple of suggestions of yours). Thanks Saravask 07:14, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Chavez is no longer "bald'; he is instead "ribald"

I just put in the word "ribald" to describe his speaking and politicking style. I hope this answers your concern, since the dictionary definition of "ribald" is "vulgar or indecent in speech, language, etc.; coarsely mocking". I think we both agree that this decribes Chavez's style of doing *everything*, not just speaking. I hope, though, that I do not get reverted *again* by (you-know-who). Thanks. Saravask 22:17, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Silence

I think we should trust Silence, and let him make any improvements he wishes to. Silence has been around Wikipedia much longer than either of us, and has more experience in these matters. I expect the Hugo Chavez article to feature on the main page sometime around December 10, and this article DOES need improvement, even if it is featured. I think we should both just get out of his way and work on other articles, like I have started to do. Since this article is the only FA dealing with anything Venezuelan or Latino, any improvements attainable should be pursued, full stop. Saravask 02:53, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Some useful links

I've been told that you're relatively new to Wikipedia, so it's understandable that you aren't yet aware of many of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines; hell, I haven't read them all yet either. You may wish to read the following pages when you have the time, to avoid future conflicts of a similar nature to our recent one. I wish you well. -Silence 05:47, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:Civility
• Wikipedia:No personal attacks
• Wikipedia:Etiquette
• Wikipedia:Assume good faith
• Wikipedia:Don't disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point

Appreciations

Now I just saw that you have made up with Silence. This is good. I still do not know who started it, since we weren't having such ridiculous arguments before Silence came (no blame is intended by this remark, please — for anyone else who may be reading this, I am entitled to have my own opinions without them being analyzed ...).
I'll put in your suggestions later today. Thanks. As for the disagreement, thank God. Let it be forgotten. ← Saravask –

signature

I see from your signature that you probably didn't understand. Sorry. The way I did it was to click on "my preferences" (you should see this at the top of your page). You should check the box "Raw signatures ...". Then, you should paste some raw HTML code into "Nickname:". I pasted the code "[[user:Saravask|<font color="#FF9000">← Saravask — </font>]]". You yourself could try something like "[[user:Anagnorisis|<font color="#FF0000">← Anagnorisis — </font>]]" or whatever. Be creative. ← Saravask — 00:49, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Hey, from the spanish Wikipedia

Because this is English Wikipedia, I suppose I have to write in English :D, hello Again Anagnorisis, I saw in the Chávez's talk page that you will start editing and helping there again, I applaud that, we need some help because 3 user are not enough hehe, by the way, you should visit the Venezuelan wikipedians category to see the news, we have initiate a new voting to define the new rules for the promotion of featured articles in the Venezuelan Portal, please visit it and give your opinion and vote!, cya!. Saludos desde Mérida Venex 04:53, 29 November 2005 (UTC) ( y por los acentos recuerda no molestarte, después se podrían hacer las correcciones necesarias...)