Talk:Xleague.tv

Citations needed!

The sources currently used are mainly press releases trivial statements about the channel launching, and the Eurobird listing does not appear to mention XLeague at all. I will be putting this up for deletion in two weeks unless there are proper in-text citations (so people can see what the citation is actually supporting), from reliable, wholly independent sources.--Drat (Talk) 02:48, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I do not believe it should deleted as the sources come directly from the parent television company and from watching the channel. If it does get deleted, then such entries like Game Network & Friendly TV should be deleted as well for the same reasons as above. Also, the link to the Eurobird listing is to a page that gets updated when new channels and changes are made. Eurobird listing for XLEAGUE.TV can be found here http://www.lyngsat-address.com/uz/Xleague-TV.html Ryoga3099 02:22, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, If you look the majority of satelitte and cable television channels featured on wikipedia are rarely cited, what kind of evidence do you need to the channel and shows actually exist? They're all featured on the official website and on several press releases. but what "reliable, wholly independent sources" would you need for a channel of this ilk? --Guru Larry 01:53, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

The fact that other articles don't meet the standards is no excuse. A few examples of good sources would be press articles, interviews, etc. These also have to be non-trivial. A few sentences in an article about gaming shows in general isn't any good.--Drat (Talk) 03:24, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

When you say Press Articles, you don't count Press Releases at all? --Guru Larry 03:35, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about the late response to this question. I should have said articles in the press, not "press articles". Press releases are of course generally PR pieces, not written by neutral third-parties, thus making them less reliable (depending on what information they are used to support). There are certain situations in which they can be used, but the article must not rely on them as a main source.--Drat (Talk) 02:42, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

At the very least, there needs to be proper assertions of why the channel is notable, and these must be sourced to independent, reliable sources. "Other crap exists" is not a valid argument.--Drat (Talk) 02:41, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

What about information like whos appeared on the channel, etc? This is a television channel that goes out to the whole of the United Kingdom and rolling credits of the show are shown at the end of the programme. Ryoga3099 14:28, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

How do you create a references section on the page? I've tried looking at more notable pages, like 24 (TV Series) but it only says: "reflist" on them. Ryoga3099 21:13, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Look in the code of the page where the footnote markers appear after the text they support. You will see that there is a reference tag containing all the details of the source and a name for the tag. You only need to do this full reference once, the first time the ref is used. Later uses of the same ref need only a shortened version of the ref tag, with the name that was set.--Drat (Talk) 02:17, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I assume I write by editing here, and not start a new section, with the + tab? Of the article, I had only noticed this particular page after I finished editing the content in question - so I endeavoured to address the concerns brought here. --Shanksington 17:45, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Individual, reliable sources, like the BBC, is that acceptable?--Shanksington 18:24, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

The "multiple" bit merely means that the totality of notable coverage on the subject is more than just a freak, once-off thing. Individual sources are fine, but of course, the more the merrier.--Drat (Talk) 18:46, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Show Contents

I have re-added the list of Retro Corner episodes appeared so far, as I said in the post, this is an Encylopedic page and not a digest, so as with other video gaming shows and completly unrelated wikipedia pages, I feel the list should stay until it can achieve a seperate wiki page, alongside other shows...

Though if theres a way to reformat it akin to the presenter lists, that would be very much appreaciated.--Guru Larry 12:51, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Adding the names of its cast and guests for each show including narrators for presenterless shows. More will follow as we get more names. Also adding studio photo for The Match. This is given by the broadcasters themselves, so permission is given for the use of its logo and photos. (How do you resize the picture? Picture in question is xleague_thematch_studio_with_guests.jpg)Ryoga3099 12:06, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Adding photo and cleaning up spaces 212.134.182.14 13:49, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Moving league list from The Match section as it is more suitable towards the website where the actual leagues take place. Ryoga3099 00:28, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Contraction of XLeague content

Am in the process of reeling in the XLeague-related content, removing duplicated information from certain individual show pages leaves them too short to be valuable on their own, especially given the channel's infancy, limited notability and small selection of programmes. This will allow myself and others to wikify and otherwise improve the quality of the page more effectively.

This may take some time, so the page will be a WIP for a while.

I have requested cropped versions of the images that are too tall- specifically Game60 and Casual Gaming Show- and am in the process of proposing a mini-infobox for TV programmes to fit this page and pages like it, as the regular one is much too large for the small amount of content.

(The last few anonymous edits were mine, BTW- only just signed up after realising the extent of the project) Beemoh (talk) 23:50, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Revising content to fit within Wikipedia standards

I am in the middle of reworking, and redoing the sources, references to this item. This is so that this article is Wikipedia compliant. Any guidance would be much appreciated! Ryoga3099 (talk) 22:06, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

History section has been redone to include relevant references. Ryoga3099 (talk) 22:36, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Main introduction re-edited and 'website' section fused with introduction text. Ryoga3099 (talk) 20:54, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Merging individual show pages into XLEAGUE.TV page

I suggest merging all the shows that have individual pages into one single page, which should be the XLEAGUE.TV page. I believe that sources can not be found for these individual show pages and that this article could benefit from having the text from each of these pages into one simple page. Ryoga3099 (talk) 01:18, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

The following pages should be merged: Games Night, The Match, Reviewmageddon, The Chart, FIFA Interactive World Cup, Guru Larry's Retro Corner, Inside Gaming, Game60, Wez and Larry's Top Tens, Trailblazers Ryoga3099 (talk) 18:21, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I disagree about Guru Larry's Retro Corner, Wez and Larry's Top Tens and Reviewmageddon as they have all spun off into their own shows after Xleague died.--Guru Larry (talk) 08:09, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Not the best idea to merge all of these shows. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Inhumanehuman (talk • contribs) 17:42, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

All 3 articles are good the way they are, It shouldn't be messed around. It's stupid to merge them together. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Highsco (talk • contribs) 19:22, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

pretty stupid to merge them together, mainly because they all spun off into their own shows when Xleague died (and 2 of the 3 still go on).

I believe these articles should be merged through the Wikipedia:Merging guidelines of Text and Context. Not only would merging such pages benefit the XLEAGUE.TV article, but would also condense the scattered information into a Wiki-fied article. Considering that each of the individual show pages contain very little sources and repeated sources on each of these pages, guidelines would suggest that merging these articles would be better. If there is a good reason to leave these pages as is, then please suggest them rather than just saying "it isn't a good idea", as that is not a good argument. Ryoga3099 (talk) 01:36, 16 June 2009 (UTC)