User talk:Seresin/Archive 24

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Luis Ramirez

Could you please explain what is different between Marcelo Lucero (see also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marcelo Lucero and Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2009_June_6#Marcelo_Lucero) and Luis Eduardo Ramirez Zavala that despite their near-identical notability, circumstances, and sourcing available you decided to delete the latter? TAway (talk) 21:10, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

They aren't the same, and there were two different AfDs. The other one is irrelevant. This article was deleted because it violated WP:NOT#NEWS and WP:BIO1E. ÷seresin 03:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

You say they're not the same, but could you explain the main differences you see between the two? And if you feel it violated that policy (despite Marcelo Lucero somehow not violating it), couldn't it have been moved to Murder of Luis Ramirez rather than deleted? TAway (talk) 06:21, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Consensus was that the other article shouldn't be deleted; that's the difference. Moving to Murder of Luis Ramirez could, perhaps, address the problems. ÷seresin 05:51, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

If Murder of Luis Ramirez is an acceptable location (since no one is denying the prevalence of national-level sources across a substantial period of time), could you please make the move to that location? I cannot access deleted content. TAway (talk) 03:32, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

List of Snipe Hunts

I think you miscounted Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_snipe_hunts has 5 votes of keep or weak keep and 2 for delete. Nowimnthing (talk) 00:32, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree totally with that, particularly since your only comment was "The result was delete." Uh-uh. Doesn't matter what your personal preference is. A closing administrator has to be neutral... Mandsford (talk) 02:20, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

The number of people who supported one position or the other is largely irrelevant. The issue is the strength of the arguments. Those who argued for deletion had much stronger arguments—the list was entirely original research and it was an indiscriminate list. Those supported keeping didn't convincingly (or even adequately) refute them. ÷seresin 03:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I do not think the number is irrelevant according to Wikipedia:Deletion guidelines for administrators. Rough consensus is to be determined by the admin, opinions can be disregarded only if they are not made in good faith or if the article clearly violates policy. I think according to the discussion we can tell that it is not a clear violation of policy, so you would need to show why you think it is and according to Wikipedia:Deletion guidelines for administrators#Deciding whether to delete then recuse yourself from the final decision since you are stating an opinion, not carrying out consensus. Nice and bold there is 4. When in doubt, don't delete. Nowimnthing (talk) 15:09, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Keep reading. Consensus is not determined by counting heads, but by looking at strength of argument... This applies. ÷seresin 05:51, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cabala (Led Zeppelin album)

Hi Seresin. One of the people who commented in this AfD that you closed, User:Artyline, was determined to likely be a sock puppet of a banned user. Just letting you know, in case you think that this warrants a relist of the AfD. Best, Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 03:47, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Noted. ÷seresin 05:51, 2 July 2009 (UTC)