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may want to merge with Tha Carter III article

Unitl the actual album is released it should be merged with Tha Carter III article.Xx1994xx (talk)

why? THAD GETS NO ASS because the album may not follow notability guides according to wikipedia and will either be merged or deleted and this album is more like another deluxe version of tha carter iii so until the album comes out and prove its notability it needs to be merged.Xx1994xx (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 03:00, 2 November 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Redundant and unreliable sources

I removed the following sources from the article; my reasoning for removal appears below.

[1] — Redundant—sourced from the MTV article
[2] — Redundant—sourced from the MTV article
[3] — One short paragraph that says he's reissuing Tha Carter III with "some new songs" and that he's having a baby soon.
[4] — Redundant—a mirror of the Billboard article
[5] — Redundant—mirror of the Billboard article
[6] — Redundant—content about the album is sourced from the MTV article
[7] — Same article as above
[8] — Redundant—sourced from the MTV article
[9] — Redundant—sourced from the MTV article
[10] — Not a reliable source and content is redundant with other, better refs
[11] — Sourced from what Lil Wayne said onstage at a show—not a reliable source. In any case, again, it's redundant anyway and contradicts other information in the article (that The Rebirth is the Tha Carter III plus exclusive bonus tracks—not all new tracks)
[12] — Redundant—sourced from MTV
[13] — MTV

Just so's you know. —Hello, Control ^{Hello, Tony} 15:05, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First of all whoever is adding Lil'Chucky,Cory gunz and hurricane to the list of people on the a milli remix STOP one of the referneces that HelloControl removed only confirmed that Tyga and Lil Mama.Xx1994xx (talk)

Kanye West

yoooo, I was brought here from the WP:AIV and WP:AN3 reports. The sticking point appears to be this issue. Is there any evidence of Kanye West's role as producer other than this Youtube video: [14]? I agree that the video does not appear to be the most reliable of sources -- Samir 06:52, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, and thank you. Firstly, I would like to state I do not feel that I am right nor wrong.

I have edited many "upcoming albums" pages and not one that I have ever edited has used a list to list the producers. According to the current sources, Only Cool & Dre are confirmed while the others are possible, which is what I have stated. Also, the "A Milli Remix" has been rumored, not confirmed, which is what is written. If reliable, third-party sources can be found, I would be more than happy to add them myself, but it does not appear that is the case, which why I have reverted. I also realize that I have broken the 3RR, and if anything is in order, I will take it and I apologize. I have just gone by what I feel is right by Wikipedia policy. --H E L LØ ŦH E R E 07:01, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

he talks about it at 4:20, "new wayne special package incoming before this christmas is out and we got a new record on there together"

why is it that if kanye would have said this on mtv, it would be valid, but since he said it during a def jam conference call, it's invalid? that makes no sense. like i said before, all mtv does is takes what an artist says and compiles it into an article. the video of him saying it is just as reliable as an mtv article. 11:11, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

It is not just MTV that is reliable. But this is an illegal version of that phone call. If any reliable third-party source had a story about this phone conversation, it would be acceptable. And a quick Google search I conducted within the last week brought no other reliable sources besides MTV, but if you have any that are reliable sources, please feel free to add them. --H E L LØ ŦH E R E 22:36, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

reliable and illegal are two different things. recording the call may have been illegal, but it is not illegal to post about the recording. freedom of the press. cubfan789 (talk) 07:21, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Even still, we cannot use an illegal copy of the phone call. If Def Jam posts it, or someone reliable speaks about it in an interview or something of that nature, we can use it. --H E L LØ ŦH E R E 20:48, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

like i said, IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO USE ILLEGALLY OBTAINED INFORMATION. it is perfectly legal under the united states constitution. obviously the information is reliable too, unless you believe he was lying to all those people.

Yelling does not make you right, nor will it get people to agree with your point. Secondly, not every Wikipedian editor is an American. Thirdly, the U.S. constitution doesn't really matter on Wikipedia as they have their own guidelines. --H E L LØ ŦH E R E 21:16, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

you know what, i dont even feel like arguing you. you points are just so stupid. so whatever, you win.

It's not about "winning", it's about doing what's right by the guidelines and standards of Wikipedia. Your arguments would be correct on a Lil Wayne forum, but on this site they are not the standards and rules we apply. --H E L LØ ŦH E R E 22:52, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

my version follows every guideline. i dont know what youre talking about

The list of producers is not following guidelines, the YouTube source is not following guidelines, nor does listing songs which are not confirmed such as the A Milli remix. --H E L LØ ŦH E R E 22:55, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Using list format instead of prose format

Per this section of the Wikipedia Manual of Style, we should not use lists when a passage is read easily as plain paragraphs. A brace of bulleted lists on possible producers and tracks instead of rendering the information in prose form goes against this guideline. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 10:57, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

there are a couple problems with your suggestion to follow this guideline

1. this list is incomplete and it's going to be added onto in the near future.
2. the sentences are redundant and will become more redundant as the list gets bigger.
3. it's going to end up being a list anyway once more information is added.

also side note, a lot of jpgrb's grammar is incorrect in the article. i was trying to fix that too.

so whats the conclusion? 07:20, 18 December 2008 (UTC)07:20, 18 December 2008 (UTC)~

I would presume the "conclusion" is to follow the guidelines of Wikipedia. Which, as pointed out above, says we should not use the list, and to use prose. --H E L LØ ŦH E R E 03:29, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

strictly following that wikipedia guideline would mean cd singles would have to be listed in a paragraph rather than a list. obviously there are exceptions to the rule.

What articles are you using as examples? Every "CD single" I've seen uses prose as opposed to lists. --H E L LØ ŦH E R E 21:17, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tracks

Anyone think Red Rum's gonna be on here? Cool & Dre Produced it, I'm just wondering... Also, I heard this is going to be a "Rock" or "rock - type" album or something like that. this should be good. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.182.146.25 (talk) 21:01, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tha Carter III: The Rebirth Vs Rebirth

So apparently there are two album articles now. One is this one, and the other is just called Rebirth. Lil Wayne just released the title, and its just called Rebirth. So I don't know if you guys want to change this article title or what.

Zypo (talk) 06:24, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think it should be moved to the Rebirth article, since Tha Carter 3 re-release isn't going to happen. John (talk) 17:44, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. He even said its gonna be an all-rock LP, and that it has nothing to do with Carter III, or his other hip hop releases. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zypo (talk • contribs) 18:22, 24 January 2009 (UTC) NEW JOINT FROM THE ALBULM LEAKED CALLED "FIX MY HAT"[reply]

Hot Revolver

Is it possible to mention the song "Hot Revolver" on here? The song was posted on Kanye's blog. It's obvious the song is going to be on the new album. [15] Douglasr007 (talk) 02:41, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That source doesn't say anything about the album. Unless a reference says "This track will be featured on Rebirth." it cannot be confirmed. SE KinG. User page. Talk. 04:21, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Amazing Love?

A new track leaked called Amazing Love. It has a rock sound and everything. Wonder if its going to be on the album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.193.206.57 (talk) 17:38, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You need a reference. Just because it sounds rock doesn't mean it's confirmed. SE KinG. User page. Talk. 01:49, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

some other singles have been released on the internet but have not been confirmed to be on the internet.Hot revolver,Every girl,Rap cemetary,Yes,and Redrum —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.60.92.245 (talk) 16:44, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

However none of them are confirmed until so, they cannot be added into the article. SE KinG. User page. Talk. 17:40, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

TBD...

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.8694/title.lil-waynes-rebirth-pushed-back-maybe-shelved —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.11.250.4 (talk) 16:39, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

SAGU IS GAY! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.211.94.36 (talk) 19:57, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

new track

its been a week is in gonna be in it.........its pretty good —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.225.64.176 (talk) 22:02, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that you think the song is "pretty good" doesn't make it on the album. Unless a reliable source posts the track confirming it's on Rebirth it has no place in the article. SE KinG. User page. Talk. 22:08, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

i think it might be but i'm not sure but heres the web address: http://www.zshare.net/audio/57875666fef91f5f/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.225.39.212 (talk) 21:24, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

tracklist

Why can't this article have a tracklist instead of a paragraph listing the confirmed songs? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kitfisto999 (talk • contribs) 11:18, 27 April 2009 (UTC) NEW WAYNE TRACK FOR THIS ALBULM CALLED "FIX MY HAT" Heres da tracklist n cover http://thisizgame.ning.com/profiles/blogs/the-game-to-appear-on-lil —Preceding unsigned comment added by Erikskill (talk • contribs) 10:23, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NEW SONG HITS THE WEB FROM REBIRTH

NEW SONG FROM THE REBIRTH HIT THE WEB SOMETIME THIS WEEK CALLED "FIX MY HAT"..NASTY ASS JOINT!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.180.182.232 (talk) 01:23, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fix My Hat... NOT on Rebirth.

"Now, you might be wondering what project the newly-released Fix My Hat is attached to (hint: it’s not Rebirth, despite what several blogs would have you believe). Los Angeles Clippers superstar Baron Davis is preparing yet another documentary (possibly a sequel to Crips & Bloods: Made In America), and Fix My Hat has been chosen for the soundtrack."[16]

I am removing the track from the article due to this. SE KinG. ^{User page.} _Talk. 03:49, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Possible Tracks

Amazing Love(feat. Gudda Gudda)

Yeahhh!

Kobe Bryant

Spit(feat.Kevin Rudlof)

Leathal Injection(feat. Gudda Gudda)

Ready For the World

Ground Zero(feat. Tyga)

Girls Always

Anybody Find Me

Felt

Caring

Evil(Skit)

Fix My Hat

Self Destruction —Preceding unsigned comment added by SCollier09 (talk • contribs) 13:46, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And there are no sources for ANY of these. SE KinG. ^{User page.} _Talk. 05:30, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Official but not yet realeased Track List

01. I'm Not Human

02. Knock Knock [Prod. By Timbaland]

03. I'm Good,No Great(Featuring Nikki Minaj)

04. Sick Of This [Prod. By Scott Storch]

05. Dizzy (Featuring Mary J. Blige)

06. Young Money World (Featuring Gudda,Drake,Jae Millz & Mack Maine)

07. Lamp Laid (Featuring Lil Twist & Lil Chuckee)

08. With Me (Featuring Llyod) [Prod. By Desel]

09. Hot Revolver (Featuring Cool & Dre)

10. Make It [Prod. By Kanye West]

11. Amazing Love(Featuring Gudda)

12. Girls Forever [Prod. By StreetRunners]

13. Prom Queen (Featuring Shanel)

14. She Wants Me (Featuring Drake)

15. All About [Prod. By The Runners]

16. Fire Do? (Featuring The Game) [Prod. By Essay Potna]

17. Bottom (Featuring Gudda) [Prod. By Essay Potna]

18. In Your Face (Featuring Kevin Rudolf)

19. Lethal Injection (Featuring Lenny Kravitz)

20. Ready For The World

 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.98.135.72 (talk) 09:05, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

rebirth cover

yo i created that rebirth cover and the ripped looking back cover as well so relax it is fan-made not official!! heres da proof http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qycwlqS7maQ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lilboogie (talk • contribs) 00:29, 4 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OFFICIAL CONFIRMED TRACKS (List should be updated when new info leaks)

1. Prom Queen

2. Hot Revolver

3. I'm Not Human

OFFICIAL CONFIRMED TRACKS (List should be updated when new info leaks)

1. Prom Queen

2. Hot Revolver

3. I'm Not Human

@@ Line 217: / Line 217: @@
 . I'm Not Human
+== '''OFFICIAL CONFIRMED TRACKS''' (List should be updated when new info leaks) ==
+. ''Prom Queen''
+. ''Hot Revolver''
+. ''I'm Not Human''