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The undisputed facts about his grandfather from the references are that his name was Greek, his village is in Greece and had a Greek name and that he served in the Greek army. The Greek identity/origin is obviously disputed and these facts are not a clear proof especially if we consider in general that a hellenization process did take place in the region. So i guess this comment is for neutrality, maybe a restatement like " On the other hand Gruevski is considered an "[[Aegean Macedonians|Aegean Macedonian]]" in the Republic of Macedonia, an ethnic Macedonian originating in [[Macedonia (Greece)|Greek Macedonia]]" would be better. I personally don't think it is so important, i wouldn't revert a deletion either.--[[User:Zakronian|Zakronian]] ([[User talk:Zakronian|talk]]) 05:06, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
The undisputed facts about his grandfather from the references are that his name was Greek, his village is in Greece and had a Greek name and that he served in the Greek army. The Greek identity/origin is obviously disputed and these facts are not a clear proof especially if we consider in general that a hellenization process did take place in the region. So i guess this comment is for neutrality, maybe a restatement like " On the other hand Gruevski is considered an "[[Aegean Macedonians|Aegean Macedonian]]" in the Republic of Macedonia, an ethnic Macedonian originating in [[Macedonia (Greece)|Greek Macedonia]]" would be better. I personally don't think it is so important, i wouldn't revert a deletion either.--[[User:Zakronian|Zakronian]] ([[User talk:Zakronian|talk]]) 05:06, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

The source is biased, it's a pro-greek nationalist news outlet, and it is also irrelevant to mention.


== Undue weght given to ancestry issue ==
== Undue weght given to ancestry issue ==

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His book

Could someone add something about his new book "The Way Out" (Кон излезот)? --AimLook 01:37, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gruevski's grandfather

The sources i added state that Nikolaos Grouis fought with the greek army in Albania. The use of "antifascist" might give a false impression that he was in a partisan group or some other resistance formation. So i think the phrase "fought on the side of Greece" or "fought in the Greek army" is more accurate, if the references are accepted as reliable there's no reason to make changes which give a more vague meaning. I Also left the name unchanged as it was added in the first place, the correct transfer from Greek is probably "Grouios" from "Γρούϊος" taken from the monument which is depicted in detail in the second link. I'm not going to edit anything for the time being. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zakronian (talkcontribs) 17:13, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]


"On the other hand Gruevski can be considered an "Aegean Macedonian", an ethnic Macedonian originating in Greek Macedonia" - No foundation behind this comment. Especially with a Greek grandfather from a Greek village. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.166.19.20 (talk) 20:01, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The undisputed facts about his grandfather from the references are that his name was Greek, his village is in Greece and had a Greek name and that he served in the Greek army. The Greek identity/origin is obviously disputed and these facts are not a clear proof especially if we consider in general that a hellenization process did take place in the region. So i guess this comment is for neutrality, maybe a restatement like " On the other hand Gruevski is considered an "Aegean Macedonian" in the Republic of Macedonia, an ethnic Macedonian originating in Greek Macedonia" would be better. I personally don't think it is so important, i wouldn't revert a deletion either.--Zakronian (talk) 05:06, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The source is biased, it's a pro-greek nationalist news outlet, and it is also irrelevant to mention.

Undue weght given to ancestry issue

Articles about political figures should have a brief overview biography section (including "early life" etc., if there's anything notable known about that), and then concentrate on the person's political action and offices. Why does this article have its longest and first section on the history of his family? Sourced to a single Greek news outlet? Just because some Greek nationalist media have made this an issue doesn't mean we should give this much weight to it. The section can easily be cut down and reduced to one or two sentences. Fut.Perf. 08:49, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]