Talk:Susan Rice

significant

don't nn - historically significant http://www.brookings.edu/scholars/srice.htm

Misplaced citation

I'm transferring a misplaced citation that I found in the Awards section of the article -- unclear what it was doing there:

BERMAN, RUSSELL (2008-01-28). "Meet Obama's 'Tenacious,' 'Take Charge' Dr. Rice". The New York Sun. New York City. Retrieved 2008-05-13. Susan Rice grew up in Washington, D.C., the daughter of an economist who served as a governor of the Federal Reserve, Emmett Rice, and an education policy scholar, Lois Rice.

Perhaps somebody can figure out what (if anything) should be done with this. Cgingold (talk) 11:33, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Source for Birthday

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/07/us/politics/06rice.htm However, with that NY Times article a bunch of references in the article could and should) be consolidated into one. --Matthiasb (talk) 16:24, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Page move

I've moved this page from "Susan E. Rice" on the basis of the guideline's preference for getting rid of middle initials. I found only slightly more google hits (700k versus 500k) for the middle initial version and about equal news coverage, so I moved it.--chaser - t 05:36, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Osama bin Ladin assertion

Removing the below portion here for discussion:

• In a 2002 op-ed piece in the Washington Post, former Ambassador to Sudan Timothy Carney and news contributor Mansoor Ijaz implicated Rice and counter-terrorism czar Richard Clarke in missing an opportunity to neutralize Osama bin Laden while he was still in Sudan. They write that Sudan and Secretary of State Madeleine Albright were ready to cooperate on intelligence potentially leading to bin Laden, but that Rice and Clarke persuaded National Security Advisor Sandy Berger to overrule Albright. Similar allegations have been made by Vanity Fair contributing editor David Rose and Richard Miniter, author of Losing bin Laden, in a November 2003 interview with World.

While the above op-ed was posted in the Washington Post, it should be worth noting that Ijaz also claimed that Sudan offered to turn over bin Ladin to the U.S., a claim which was found to be not true by the 9/11 commission. So is this person a reliable source for his opinion to be included here? Lestatdelc (talk) 23:47, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. This wasn't that impressive to begin with in terms of strength of argument. The 9/11 Commission's finding should obviously be included if we include this particular criticism of Rice.--chaser - t 01:08, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Given that those crticisms really were made, and that they appeared in the criticism section and that the sources were noted and links provided I find it unusual that somehpone has decided, yet again to remove them entirely.

It IS the crticism section afterall, and these crticisms really were made. Is the some reason we must pretend they were not mad. Must we pretend they were not made?

I don't believe the things written in the Book of Mormon but that does not mean we must expunge all quotations from it until it proves itself. There are many things Ben Stein says that I do not believe, but I feel no reason to pretend he did not say those things.

I will the criticisms to the page together with a note on the 9-11 commissions findings.

~Bob Hyneman Dec 1. 11:00 pm

Because discredited "criticisms" presenting flat-out false clams were made, does not mean they are legitimate points to be included in a bio. There are rafts of bunk claims and criticisms leveled for members of the Clinton administration, from Vince Foster "murders" to refusing to take bin Ladin when offered. They are bullshit claims that are not true and adding them to the article gives POV and undue weight to the claims which have zero validity. Lestatdelc (talk) 05:54, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Black

If confirmed, Rice will become United States' third woman ambassador to the UN, following Madeleine Albright and Jeane Kirkpatrick. She will also be the first black woman to hold the position

What about # of African-Americans? Is she 4th or something? 76.66.198.171 (talk)

Where is the point?

The article is stating:

In September 2001 Samantha Power wrote in an Atlantic Monthly piece that while working at the national Security Council, Rice asked, during an interagency teleconference, “If we use the word 'genocide' and are seen as doing nothing, what will be the effect on the November [congressional] election?" However, in the same article Power also notices that Rice acknowledges the mistakes made and "feels that she has a debt to repay."

It might be because of I am an Europe-based contributor – but where is the point? Why this tidbit is notable to mention here? I think this should be removed. --Matthiasb (talk) 20:53, 30 January 2009 (UTC) Rice served on the staff of the National Security Council and as Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs during President Bill Clinton's second term. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.80.11.190 (talk) 01:18, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

And? Why is it important? --Matthiasb (talk) 20:17, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Image

The current image is very poor. Would this be more suitable? --William S. Saturn (talk) 22:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

" She is also (...) the third African-American person to do so (after Andrew Young and Donald McHenry)"

This is factually wrong. What about Amb. Edward J. Perkins who served as the US Ambassador to the UN in 1992-93? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.167.167.236 (talk) 01:02, 6 August 2009 (UTC)